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Intel Releases Broadwell Desktop CPUs: Core i7-5775C and i5-5675C
edxwelch writes: Intel has finally released their Broadwell desktop processors. Featuring Iris Pro Graphics 6200, they take the integrated graphics crown from AMD (albeit costing three times as much). However, they are not as fast as current Haswell flagship processors and they will be soon superseded by Skylake, to be released later this year. Tom's Hardware and Anandtech have the first reviews of the Core i7-5775C and i5-5675C.
I was afraid we would have skylake ultrabook chips before broadwell desktop. This was a close call.
I'm not sure if you're joking, but even though your NUC is technically a desktop machine, it runs a mobile chipset. That's how they get it into such a compact package, by using chips and parts designed for laptops.
Tom's didn't test against AMD Godaveri, which has a substantially faster GPU than the Kaveri chips Tom's tested against. Godaveri is about 20% faster than than Kaveri, so would be competitive with these chips, as well as being about 1/3rd of the price.
Ah, "desktop processors" counts as the key phrase there.
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No, not joking... Just an idiot who can't read.
For the past 5 or 10 years this has been the story of me building new computers. I don't follow tech pages on architectures much any more, just when I go to build a new computer I go and see what the latest offerings from amd/intel/nvidia are.
For pretty much ever it is, "AMD is kill, Intel rules all!" Except the fine print is that in order to rule all, you must pay 2x to 3x as much. So all of my performance/gaming computers for 17 years have been AMD/Nvidia (and VIA chipsets before Nvidia). (I have tried ATI a few times and just never cared for them.) And I get 3+ years out of each computer before it needs to be replaced.
Now, from a heat dissipation and power usage perspective, no amount of price/performance can replace that. And this is why I have not seen an AMD laptop in quite some time.
So why is AMD constantly on the verge of bankruptcy? Is there some Apple effect on Intel that causes people to throw money at them for no better performance increase? Do people simply not care how much they spend on computers? Is the laptop/mobile market cutting into PC/Server that much? Or are they just poorly managed. Over 15 years and I simply don't get it.
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I've got a machine over two years old now - I do some pretty heavy number-crunching with GIS map programs and always tell the counter guy I want the nearest thing he's got to a machine that finishes infinite loops. After conceding that the next model up from the i7-3930K was $500 more for another 15% of horsepower, I picked that one.
I'm sure there have been a few percent of gains with two years of subsequent chips, but basically, it's same cores, same GHz. Is this 'skylake' in several more months going to be more than a 10%-15% upgrade over my early 2013 chip? (Actually, it's older, probably came out in 2012?)
I really need to be buying a second machine in just a few months, but I'll endure some inconvenience if we're just a few months after that from a significant upgrade. But frankly, anything under 25-30% speedup in math operations will not be worth the wait.
They say Moore's Law is still going, and in low-power circles, I'd agree. But for the market segment of people who don't mind the computer doubling as a room heater if it'll just crunch numbers on a few million rows of geodatabase table a few minutes faster, it sure feels like Moore's is over for us.
You're mis-understanding the conclusion. Intel did not steal from CPU performance to improve the GPU, and in fact the cores on Broadwell are slightly more efficient than Haswell. Here's a quote from the Tom's Hardware article:
"As host processors, Core i5-5675C and Core i7-5775C should be marginally faster than Haswell-based CPUs at similar clock rates. The issue, of course, is that they employ lower frequencies than a number of previous-gen chips. So, they'll actually post lower scores in workloads that emphasize host processing (like the Sandra Arithmetic benchmark, above)."
These are budget CPU's for low power consumption. The initial Broadwell offering was for mobile, and this is their first desktop offering, targeting business and office with pretty decent integrated graphics, but nothing you'd want for gaming. You would stick with your i7 4770 until the 14nm line begins targeting performance computing.
So why is AMD constantly on the verge of bankruptcy?
Because AMD has historically made their business model making a product that is compatible with another company's product and that other company (Intel) has a cost advantage in making the product and generally controls the architecture. Intel is actually quite the manufacturing juggernaut in microprocessors whereas AMD has basically no manufacturing of their own. Intel also has a lead in die size as well so AMD is typically playing catch up. Intel basically can make a smaller, faster processor cheaper and sell it for less any time they want to. Hard to compete effectively with that. AMD has to be smarter than Intel and they haven't shown themselves to be capable of doing that on a consistent basis. Even when their designs have been better, Intel has been able to leverage their die size advantage to overcome design deficiencies. Furthermore they've made some pretty bad tactical business errors (the acquisition of ATI hasn't been the smoothest) and Intel has been known to engage in some arguably shady business dealings with their customers.
Basically probably the only reason AMD is still with us is that Intel doesn't want the anti-trust scrutiny that would come with killing them off. Having AMD around gives Intel a "credible" competitor, albeit one that hasn't shown any meaningful ability to compete consistently. AMD has been trying to diversify away from just PC microprocessors for a while now with mixed success.
I can see not far in the future DRAM will be replaced with flash. Not some fancy dram+flash combo, just a simple flash storage, since the cpu has enough fast on die already.
That's a horrible idea--flash memory write characteristics just don't match that use at all.
If someone is able to talk directly to your computer's network ports without your permission, you have bigger problems than a VNC-like option in your BIOS that you can turn off.
Seriously.
Similarly for uploads, etc. There's a reason that we have things like authenticating proxies, firewalls and all that other jazz that people moan about.
If you're vaguely techy and think this means it's beyond your control, you really shouldn't be on this website.
Actually for a while it was the other way around. AMD pioneered x86-64 and Intel was the one playing compatible catch-up when they tried to bank on IA-64 and it tanked badly./quote.
That situation lasted for all of about 1-2 years and even then AMD never really were able to capitalize on it because Intel was better capitalized, and had cost advantages and 64 bit didn't matter enough at the time. While it was a misstep by Intel it wasn't one they couldn't recover from. Intel putting a 64 bit version of the x86 wasn't exactly a huge technical challenge for them. Intel has made a number of mistakes over the years but AMD simply has never been smart enough or well funded enough to make Intel pay for them.