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Tim Cook: "Weakening Encryption Or Taking It Away Harms Good People"

Patrick O'Neill writes: Over the last year, Apple CEO Tim Cook has repeatedly made headlines as a spearpoint in the new crypto wars. As FBI director James Comey pushes for legally mandated backdoors on encryption, Cook has added default strong encryption to Apple devices and vocally resisted Comey's campaign. Echoing warnings from technical experts across the world, Cook said that adding encryption backdoors for law enforcement would weaken the security of all devices and "is incredibly dangerous," he said last night at the Electronic Privacy Information Center awards dinner. "So let me be crystal clear: Weakening encryption or taking it away harms good people who are using it for the right reason."

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  1. At least one thing that makes sense. by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Too many things these days that don't make sense. If you have a hole in a system it will be abused by malicious people.

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    1. Re:At least one thing that makes sense. by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you have a hole in a system it will be abused by malicious people.

      Like the federal government.

      -jcr

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      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  2. Something to hide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are you honest person? You have something to hide?

    Yes, every honest person has a lot to hide and it is called privacy! And it is important that everyone would value their privacy and encrypt everything just in sake of others rights for privacy!

    If some authority has problems, they are free to come to knock on my door or call me. I can talk on front door or in the phone.

    1. Re:Something to hide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am willing to argue that even criminal with evil intent have a right to privacy. The police's job is to catch them by doing hard work. Monitoring everyone thought and wait for a red flag is not police work.

    2. Re:Something to hide? by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wouldn't say he was in the closet. He didn't make any announcements, but it was widely known around Apple and nobody cared.

      -jcr

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      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    3. Re:Something to hide? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ok, what if you're thinking of coming out gay or trans? or what if you are a woman and looking for domestic abuse shelters? there are so many valid reasons to protect your privacy.

    4. Re:Something to hide? by IsThisNickTaken · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What if you're searching for a birthday gift for your wife, or planning a surprise getaway for your anniversary, etc.?

      Yes, I know about I the incognito modes, running browsers in a VM and resetting the VM, etc. I was just pointing out legitimate things that you would want to hide from your spouse and that your spouse would most likely be glad to not find out about (depending on how they felt about surprises...) :)

  3. FBI director by mcfedr · · Score: 1, Insightful

    When politicians say this things - you can maybe believe that they don't understand the impossibility of undermining encryption such that only the 'good guys' can do it. But the director of the FBI, would must know what he is talking about, and must know that its just completely wrong.

    1. Re:FBI director by dcollins117 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But the director of the FBI, would must know what he is talking about, and must know that its just completely wrong.

      Of course he knows. He knows better than most people do. When he talks of breaking encryption, he's talking about weakening your encryption, not his. He's going continue to use the most robust tools at his disposal to protect his privacy. But he's the good guy, at least in his mind. You, he's not so sure about.

      In the end it doesn't matter what he wants. It's a foolish request that can't be implemented. The tools to communicate securely over unsecure channels are freely available to everyone at no cost. More importantly, we have the math. You can't outlaw math.

    2. Re: FBI director by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So using encryption properly is an offense in the UK.

  4. Bad guys will use it anyway by SlovakWakko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anybody who stands to lose more by having their (illegal) activities uncovered compared to being penalized for using (banned) encryption will still use it, so only the good guys, who don't use it to cover up their criminal activity will stop using encryption. At the same time they will be more exposed to data and identity theft, blackmail and illegal snooping. This just shows how little actually the FBI cares about the safety of common, law-abiding citizens. They don't see their mission as protecting people from becoming victims in the first place, but rather as catching criminals after the fact. It's logical if pretty evil - the more crime there is in USA, the more money and power the FBI gets. But folks - which one of those is better for us? Prevention or prosecution?

    1. Re:Bad guys will use it anyway by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But folks - which one of those is better for us? Prevention or prosecution?

      That's entirely the wrong question. The operant one is, "which one increases the power and wealth of the ruling class? (aka the politically-connected)".

      The "bad guys" won't use strong encryption under the proposed regime. The FCC will force the ISP's to install filters that only allow packets through that are co-signed to the government (y'all wanted Net Neutrality right?). If you try to pass unsigned data it will be blocked and a SWAT team will show up at your house to put a semi-automatic rifle barrel in your face and toss you in a cage for a decade or more. Tunnelling that data will be made a crime and the NSA has the technology to detect it already. You MAY not speak privately from the government.

      There is zero chance of countering this existential security threat while pretending that the ruling elite are interested in the benefit of the People. Security folks need to adult-up and face reality - we're past the point of this ending nicely; it's only a matter of which shit-sandwich we get to swallow at this point. Pixie dust and unicorn farts won't change that. Rand Paul won't be allowed to win the Presidency (but I repeat myself).

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  5. Surveillance or Security by Kirth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is an exclusive OR. Choose only one.

    "Either we build our communications infrastructure for surveillance, or we build it for security. Either everyone gets to spy, or no one gets to spy", as Bruce Schneier says.

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    "The more prohibitions there are, The poorer the people will be" -- Lao Tse
  6. Re:Sounds exactly like a pro-gun argument... by BlueStrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Guns have strong offensive uses.

    Which are only effectively countered by people defending themselves with guns.

    God created Man. Sam Colt made them equal.

    Grandma (and the physically disabled, young women, etc) has a chance against a young, fit, male attacker if she has a gun. More than without a gun. Much more than blowing a "rape whistle" and peeing herself, or waiting for police who, in many small towns including the one I live in, typically wait at the donut shop until the shooting is over before arriving to take a report and have the body(s) removed. As one cop told me in a moment of frankness; "I ain't dodging gunfire for no $70k a year and a pension!"

    Police in the US have no legal obligation to protect citizens.

    Police handle the paperwork. Citizens are the true "first responders".

    Strat

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  7. The logic behind encryption backdoors... by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is the same is saying we should not allow people to lock their cars/houses because criminals might hide something behind a locked door.

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  8. There is no "right reason" for privacy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In order to distinguish "right" and "wrong" reasons for privacy, you'd need to look into the communication. Which abolishes privacy.

    The whole point of privacy is not to look into communication. In a way, not to let Schrödinger's cat out of the bag.

    "None of your business" does not distinguish good and bad business. So I don't really like the pitch of Cook here:

    Weakening encryption or taking it away harms good people who are using it for the right reason.

    Because it will be immediately followed up by "so let's only weaken encryption and take it away from people who are using it for the wrong reason." And then we get an oversight committee which decides about which reasons are right and wrong, erring on the "safe" side.

  9. Re: How do you "take away" encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's not the $100 so quit pretending it is. It's about control. If all Apple was doing was making sure your app isn't malicious that would be one thing. What they also do is make sure your app doesn't do things they don't approve of. Like, for instance, enable purchasing of things that Apple doesn't get a cut of. Or, in some cases, controversial things our not family friendly things. Or maybe they don't do that on a particular day. It is pretty arbitrary, and that, not the $100, is the problem.

    It's a problem because unlike Android, I can't (legitimately) tell an iOS device to load an app from another source, so I have no freedom there. Is it more secure? Yes, absolutely. It's also less free, and that matters more to a lot of people.

    It's also what this whole thing with encryption is all about. To get back on topic, James Comey is acting in an un-American anti-freedom manner and should resign because he doesn't deserve our trust or the job he has. Got that, NSA? Be sure to pass it along to the FBI so they can add it to me file.

  10. Re:Two Words: The Fappening by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Two Words: The Fappening Imagine Government has access to your private files LEGALLY, such that exposure of your files, your property, your life is completely unprotected by legislation?

    Why do you speak of legalities as if that were a constraint around our government today?

    Let me be clear. They break the law. And there's not a fucking thing you can do about it.

    And no, it doesn't matter what puppet you vote into office.

  11. Weak encryption = no encryption by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem with weakening encryption is that weaknesses do not care who uses them and once discovered they cannot be corrected. And weaknesses WILL be discovered sooner or later. Probably sooner. There is no way to only let the "good guys" in while keeping the "bad guys" out. You cannot weaken encryption without making it completely useless in the process.

  12. Security is a process - not a tool by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Grandma (and the physically disabled, young women, etc) has a chance against a young, fit, male attacker if she has a gun.

    Only if she has it out, loaded, safety off, is capable of pointing it in the right direction before the attack occurs and is aware of where the attack is coming from. It's an absurd hypothetical strawman that NEVER actually happens in the real world. Do you really want granny carrying a sidearm at all times given the extremely remote chance of her actually getting attacked outside of your imagination? Personally that's not a society I care to live in. Firearms have their time and place and I'm not remotely arguing against the 2nd amendment but they aren't what keeps crime in check. Guns are used FAR more often to facilitate crime than to prevent it. Real security comes from a properly structured civil society. Guns play a role but it should be a very minor one.

    As one cop told me in a moment of frankness; "I ain't dodging gunfire for no $70k a year and a pension!"

    The number of cops that EVER discharge their weapon intentionally in the line of duty is miniscule. It's significantly less than one percent. If your story is true then it shouldn't be surprising at all - almost all cops never have to "dodge gunfire" or shoot at a live person. However if he really wanted a safe job and a pension then he should have picked another line of work. There are easier and safer ways to make a decent living.

    Police in the US have no legal obligation to protect citizens.

    Police have a legal obligation to enforce the laws and guess what? The laws (usually) protect the citizens. (unless you are a minority - then you are apparently on your own judging by police response times) Countries with far stricter gun control laws somehow miraculously manage to have even better crime statistics than the US and FAR fewer deaths by firearm. Having a civil society isn't merely a result of everyone packing guns and having a Mexican standoff.

    Police handle the paperwork. Citizens are the true "first responders".

    What a bunch of delusional macho BS. When was the last time you actually saw someone grab a gun and go be a "first responder" to a crime? You haven't. The notion that you are going to protect society with a firearm isn't justified by the evidence. The evidence shows that the odds are FAR higher that the gun will be used in a suicide or result in an accident. I don't have a problem with people owning guns but let's not pretend that the citizenry are marching out to fight crime. If we get to that point I'm moving to someplace civilized.

    1. Re:Security is a process - not a tool by sl149q · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its not that there are NO examples of civilians (even old ones) killing intruders with guns.

      Its just that there are MORE examples of civilians (accidentally or otherwise) killing non-intruders with guns.