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Diphtheria Returns To Spain For Lack of Vaccination

TuringTest writes: A six-year-old child was admitted to a hospital in Barcelona and diagnosed with diphtheria, which hasn't occurred in Spain since 1986 and was largely unheard of in western Europe. The boy had not been vaccinated despite the vaccine being available in free vaccination programs. Spanish general health secretary called anti-vaccination campaigns "irresponsible" and said: "The right to vaccination is for children, not for the parents to decide." The child is in critical condition, though he's now being treated with a serum expressly brought from Russia through an emergency procedure.

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  1. You wouldn't pay to see a Rob Schneider movie... by Picass0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... so why are you listening to medical advice from him?

    A Public Service Announcement from Get Your Brats Immunized

  2. Re:Deniers on the Left? by halivar · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. Vaccination rates are highest in the Bible belt, while they are lowest on the west coast. I think it has less to do with political affiliation and more to do with who reads idiot granola mommy and food blogs.

  3. Parents should be liable by sjbe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I strongly think that parents who elect to not vaccinate their children (absent a documented medical condition preventing safe vaccination) should be liable for child endangerment. This is reckless behavior that is reasonably likely to result in bodily harm to another human being. This is a public safety issue with a clear and benign and effective solution. Those who opt out should be liable for the consequences of their actions.

    1. Re:Parents should be liable by ageoffri · · Score: 4, Insightful
      For several reasons. First vaccines are not 100% effective. Second people who can not be vaccinated for medical reasons are put in danger by those who through ignorance refuse to get vaccines.

      I'll take it a step further and state that the blonde bimbo should be tried on charges of attempted genocide.

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    2. Re:Parents should be liable by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good luck going against religious beliefs that curtail vaccinations. That "endangerment" has one hell of an establishment in the community.

      Several states in the US have done so successfully. No reason why more couldn't. You do have a fair point though. It's amazing how much nonsense we put up with in the name of "respecting religious rights" even when they are clearly crazy and/or self destructive.

    3. Re:Parents should be liable by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 4, Informative

      Diphtheria has a very serious "side effect", and I suspect the percentage of patients who develop it is larger than the percentage that react to the vaccine. Wikipedia says:

      "Diphtheria is fatal in between 5% and 10% of cases. In children under five years and adults over 40 years, the fatality rate may be as much as 20%.[17] In 2013 it resulted in 3,300 deaths down from 8,000 deaths in 1990.[6]"

    4. Re:Parents should be liable by Falos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Schools?

      Personally, I'd expect to see signs on every office, library, store, business, government building, restaurant, laundromat, bowling alley, etc etc etc that say "NO SHIRT NO SHOES NO LEPERS"

    5. Re:Parents should be liable by Maritz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It doesn't (and didn't!) help with Disneyland I agree. But it might be able to persuade some of the less-rabid or on-the-fence parents to get their kids vaccinated.

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    6. Re: Parents should be liable by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Informative

      As the parent of a child with autism, the "vaccines cause autism" crowd triply annoys me.

      1. They take funding that should go to diagnosis/treatment and send it to Yet Another Study that will yet again show no link. (Or worse: Advocating "treatments" that are a baby step shy of torture.)

      2. They fear monger autism such that you'd think your child would be better off dead than autistic. I know plenty of parents of kids on the spectrum. Some with pretty severe issues. None would rather their kids were dead.

      3. They make it hard to support autism societies because you need to first weed out the ones dedicated to "proving" an autism-vaccine link.

      The sooner these people accept that autism and vaccines have no link, the better for everyone.

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    7. Re:Parents should be liable by chilenexus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem with that argument is that the "parents" in this case are not qualified to make that decision. They don't have the education nor the data to determine whether or not their child might be susceptible to one of those "serious side effects" that may strike 1/1000 of a percent, at most. When considering that the potential equivalently-bad-or-worse consequences from the diseases themselves have percentages on the left side of the decimal point, they are avoiding a slim chance of something rare by almost guaranteeing a bad outcome if their child gets exposed. And they volunteer their child into the service of exposing other people to that illness.

      If we didn't have the anti-vaxxers or the people who think vaccines are a plot for some kind of non-microscopic genocide, we'd probably have a few less diseases in the world to worry about or continue vaccinating against. After all, how many people get a small pox vaccination these days?

  4. Re:Deniers on the Left? by halivar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I didn't know there WAS a Bible Belt in Europe, especially the Netherlands. Here in the US, non-abortion-related medicine is usually without any religious controversy, save for the Christian Scientists (who are, depending on what angle you view them from, neither Christian nor scientific), a relatively small, fringe sect that believes that all medical care represents faithlessness.

    Here in the deep-south, there's a modern-day parable that goes around Christian circles that demonstrates the general philosophy in this regard: A man goes over a cliff overlooking treacherous waters and manages to grab hold of a thin root half-way down. In desperation he cries out to God, "Save me! Send me deliverence!" Having thus prayed, he resolves to place his trust in God. A man walks by the cliff and lowers a rope. "Grab the rope!" he says. The hanging man replies, "I cannot! I have placed my trust in the Lord, and I will await His deliverance." Next a boat drives by under the cliff. The man in the boat says, "Jump! I'll catch you!" The hanging man replies as he did to the first. Next, a rescue helicopter hovers nearby, and a man lowers a ladder. "Grab the ladder!" he says. Again the hanging man replies as he did to the previous two. Slowly, the hanging man loses his grip, falls into the swirling waters, and drowns. He arrives at heaven, meets God, and cries, "Why did you never answer my prayer?" To which God replies, "What are you talking about? I sent you a man with a rope, a boat, a helicopter..."

  5. You might want to check that data again... by denzacar · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bible Belt states have some of the highest AND the lowest vaccination rates.

    http://www.motherjones.com/pol...

    And as usual, it is probably a combination of factors which influence the anti-vaccination attitudes.
    Though one factor does seem to be common - clustering.
    I.e. It's social. Where there's one anti-vaxxer, there's more anti-vaxxer.

    Overall, national vaccination rates seem high: The median rate of coverage for the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine, administered to most before entry into kindergarten, was 94.7 percent for the 2013-14 school year. But, as Schuchat points out, the rate is lower in communities where unvaccinated families tend to cluster. In some areas, low rates might have more to do with access to clinics than with beliefs about vaccinations.

    "The national estimates hide what's going on state to state. The state estimates hide what's going on community to community. And within communities there may be pockets," Schuchat said. "It's one thing if you have a year where a number of people are not vaccinating, but year after year in terms of the kids that are exempting, you do start to accumulate."

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    1. Re:You might want to check that data again... by Calydor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Where there's one anti-vaxxer, there's more anti-vaxxer.

      Just like infectious diseases.

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  6. Yes it is a public health and safety issue by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    how is it a public safety issue, the ones who do get vaccinated aren't at risk... so they only endanger themselves and likeminded folks

    Wrong. Not everyone can get vaccinated because some people legitimate medical conditions making it inadvisable. Sometimes they are too young. Sometimes they have allergy or other medical conditions that prevent their vaccination. These people depend on herd immunity to avoid the illness. If people start avoiding vaccines for non-medical reasons then these people who cannot be vaccinated are endangered by those who recklessly decide to avoid vaccination for no good reason.

    Furthermore diseases have a substantial and measurable cost to society. We have finite resources both financial and time to devote to treating diseases and if we waste them on something that could be solved with a cheap and safe vaccine then we necessarily cannot spend those medical and financial resources on something else. Should we spend a few dollars for a vaccine or thousands on a treatment. THAT is a public health issue.

  7. Diphtheria vaccine doesn't prevent infection, by IcyWolfy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Diphtheria vaccine doesn't prevent infection, it only immunizes against the effects of the toxin the bacteria produce.

    Thus, it's still around and kicking, it just doesn't kill people anymore as most people can fight off the infection on their own without the toxin wreaking havoc on their body. And most people won't even notice anything other than "flu-like symptoms" as all the effects of Diptheria are caused by the toxin, rather than the presence of the bacterial infection.

    The poor kid probably just got coughed on, or touched something and then cross-contaminated something he put in his mouth.

  8. Re:Odd comment by IcyWolfy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We had the choice to get vaccines growing up (2nd grade, 6 y/o).
    They explained it to us, and most took it because of the dire warnings and videos of people with diseases.
    They showed us filmstrips from the 40s and 50s about measels, diphtheria, whooping cough, scarlet fever, ..., and that pretty much scared people more than the needles (which I would say didn't really bother half the class).
    For the few who didn't want to, they were just goaded into it by peer pressure of all their friends and classmates (either by comforting or mocking, depending on gender). Kids are cruel, and also don't want to be excluded for chickening out / being afraid (and then teased). It's pretty effective.

  9. Re: How is the virus even still around? by jstomel · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't think it survives in the environment, and it doesn't seem to have any animal hosts. There are places in the world where it's endemic and somewhat common, and it can live in the pharynx of vaccinated or asymptomatic humans. So it probably comes into a country from an immigrant or traveler with some frequency, it just doesn't spread because of vaccination.

    Then there's this kid.

    From microbewiki (emphasis added): "C. diphtheriae is a Gram-positive, aerobic, nonmotile, toxin-producing, rod-shaped bacteria belonging to the order Actinomycetales, which are typically found in soil, but also have pathogenic members such as streptomyces and mycobacteria."