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EPA Says No Evidence That Fracking Has "Widespread" Impact On Drinking Water

sycodon writes: A long-awaited EPA report on hydraulic fracturing concludes that the extraction process has "not led to widespread, systemic impacts on drinking water resources." The report also cautions of potential contamination of water supplies if safeguards are not maintained. "The study was undertaken over several years and we worked very closely with industry throughout the process," Tom Burke, EPA's science advisor and deputy assistant administrator of EPA's Office of Research and Development, said on a conference call hosted by the agency.

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  1. Oops ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... and we worked very closely with industry throughout the process.

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    1. Re:Oops ... by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The game is in the wording "We did not find evidence that these mechanisms [of potentially affecting water] have led to widespread, systemic impacts on drinking water resources in the United States,". There are more than a MILLION fracking wells because by it very nature it's reach is not great and well after well must be drilled. So consider a grid of wells, say 100 x 100, that is 10,000 wells. So obviously in the middle no problem, contaminating the crap out of the water but no one there to drink it. Only the wells on the perimeter are the problem so percentage games bullshit. See 100 x 100 grid, 9,604 perfectly fine (still creating a problem but no one drinking that water, hence it is not 'drinking' water) and only 396 are a problem, now that is only about 4%. See no widespread problem, bwa hah hah.

      Now keep in mind how slow ground water spreads 'Water at very shallow depths might be just a few hours old; at moderate depth, it may be 100 years old; and at great depth or after having flowed long distances from places of entry, water may be several thousands of years old', http://water.usgs.gov/edu/eart.... Families of tomorrow poisoned by the psychopathic greed of today because that water from the centre of contaminating fracking fields with thousands of wells will move over time and it will end up killing thousands.

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    2. Re:Oops ... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      See, the problem is, no one has had issues with widespread systemic impacts.

      They have issues with an ALARMINGLY high number of local impacts. Also, I wonder if this is just evaulating the actual fracturing process itself, or if it is including things such as companies dumping produced water 100 feet from a stream (It's happened multiple times - they're not allowed to do it, but underpaid truck drivers take shortcuts.)

      Also, part of the reason we haven't had widespread impacts is because people who live in areas with large surface drinking water supplies (as opposed to primary drinking water being underground aquifers) have been fighting hard - New York City has one of the largest untreated water supplies in the world, and it is fed by a network of reservoirs and streams upstate. NYS has been good about keeping fracking AWAY from this infrastructure.

      It's just a matter of time before those local impacts become systemic if fracking is allowed in more areas.

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  2. Misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the report:

    "In its report, the EPA notes that its findings could have been limited because of an insufficient amount of data and the presence of other possible contaminates that made it impossible to conclude fracking's effects on certain areas. "

    So in other words they're saying it could have been too contaminated to tell where it came from.

    1. Re: Misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, they're saying the effect was small if any was present at all. Don't read what you want it to say, read what it says.

    2. Re:Misleading by Firethorn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or what's going on is that people tend to not bother testing their well water until they hear fracking is going on, then blame anything found on the fracking, even if it was present years ago.

      Natural gas is in the water of wells in some areas naturally, but it's not especially harmful to drink it. After all, it's just a hydrocarbon, and our body knows how to handle them.

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    3. Re:Misleading by GrantRobertson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, gasoline is "just a hydrocarbon." Drink up, buddy!

      I bet you earned all of two cents for that post. Hope it was worth it.

  3. Bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    " we worked very closely with industry throughout the process"

    In what world is that considered impartial and unbiased? I would feel much better if it read "the investigation was conducted independent of the fracking industry and represents an impartial evaluation of the contamination". Biased much?

    1. Re: Bias by Outtascope · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's called private property, and they have to know when the fracking is taking place so they can get before and after samples. Think much?

      Rarely. It is on leased land, not private property (at least not the Industry's private property). Often Federal leases.

  4. Hashtag GreenTears by wallsg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    EPA is God when they agree with the environmentalists. Now we'll hear all about why they're wrong or why this is misleading.

    1. Re:Hashtag GreenTears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or from the Con-side, the EPA is the devil when they regulate industry, but when they say it's A-Ok, it's the voice of angels.

      So this is news to you for some reason?

    2. Re:Hashtag GreenTears by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or from the Con-side, the EPA is the devil when they regulate industry, but when they say it's A-Ok, it's the voice of angels.

      Not at all. People who oppose the EPA (myself included) don't do so out of some hatred for the environment, we do so because we believe the EPA is an ineffective way of protecting the environment. We want stricter civil liability for corporations instead of EPA-granted licenses to pollute, and we want more appropriate local and state regulation instead of blanket federal regulations.

    3. Re:Hashtag GreenTears by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Every time I'm stuck behind some clunker from the 1970s, or even a diesel from the 1990s, with my car's AC sucking in (despite being on the recycled air setting) the fumes from an era of under-regulation, I'm reminded of why the EPA is generally a good thing, and how much better off we are with it. Remember: you're choking on air that twenty years ago was the norm for driving through.

      Yeah, sometimes they're not effective enough, but I think the nation's generally better off thanks to their work.

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  5. I call bullshit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is no way in hell that we aren't contaminating our water supplies when pushing millions of gallons of toxic chemicals into the ground. Yeah they worked closely with the industry. Those golf outings can be brutal.

  6. Re:Who is getting fired for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Or, you know, multinational corporations are reaping huge profits, while consuming a scare resource (water), paying very little for the privilege of extracting the oil, and then putting back contaminated water full of chemical they won't tell us what they are ... and staunchly claiming they're having no environmental impact through the usual douchebag stalling tactics of claiming there's insufficient evidence.

    But keep telling yourself this has anything to do with Republicans, instead of the fact that we only have one planet, and if every greedy asshole corporation fucks it up for short term profit we're pretty much screwed.

    By all means, make it a partisan issue. Show the world how much of an idiot you are.

    I hope you and your entire family get poisoned from this toxic crap. It would serve you fucking right.

    Moron.

    Greedy cocksuckers like you are more than willing to destroy the planet for some short term profit.

  7. Re:Who is getting fired for this? by Tailhook · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Greedy cocksuckers like you

    Yeah. You tell 'em. As you sit there barefoot in your yurt posting on Slashdot using telepathy; no electricity, polymers or climate control involved.

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  8. Re:The water was flammable decades... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Republicans claim that was caused by fracking, but that is a typical Republican lie.

    Wow, someone that gets it.

    Uh .. no. Someone who believes opposition to fracking is led by "The Republicans", is not someone who "gets it".

  9. Propaganda by Etherwalk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah - earthquakes that are dwarfed by the vibrations from passing trucks. Why exactly does that suck?

    You are either (1) rationalizing a harmful practice in which you have a vested interest, (2) being paid to take deceptive positions on the internet, or (3) have bought the lies of persons in category 1 or 2. That doesn't necessarily make you bad--the oil companies hire *very* good people to do this, and of course as humans we are all very good at rationalizing things and somewhat bad at spotting lies.

    These earthquakes are not limited in effect to the side of an interstate. An oil company should not be causing people living in their own homes to go through an earthquake every day, and certainly shouldn't be doing it unless *paying* to insure all of those people for property, casualty, or medical harm resulting from the earthquakes, not to mention partial loss of the use and enjoyment of their property and any decrease in market value.

    Admittedly, most are big enough to be felt but too small to do direct and immediate damage. Still, that doesn't mean they always will be, and shaking houses is obviously not good for them and over time causes settling, cracking, etc...

    1. Re:Propaganda by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You are either (1) rationalizing a harmful practice in which you have a vested interest

      Well, I certainly am rationalizing a harmful practice in which I have a vested interest: whatever harm fracking causes is dwarfed by its benefits to me and all other Americans.

      Admittedly, most are big enough to be felt but too small to do direct and immediate damage. Still, that doesn't mean they always will be, and shaking houses is obviously not good for them and over time causes settling, cracking, etc...

      If you're worried about the US government making big handouts to corporations, why not start with the easy stuff, like "quantitative easing", the ACA, and the massive so-called "stimulus program"? That's thousands of dollars of harm caused to every American year after year. Instead you choose to get all pushed out of shape about a bit of vibration that hasn't even caused significant damage (and if it does, people can recover).

    2. Re:Propaganda by khallow · · Score: 1, Insightful

      An oil company should not be causing people living in their own homes to go through an earthquake every day

      Again, this ignores magnitude. For example, every movement you make which transmits vibrations to the ground generates earthquakes. Jumping up and down generates roughly a 1 magnitude earthquake (using the normal moment magnitude scale and considering the energy release equivalent to setting off a milligram of TNT).

      It doesn't matter if "oil companies" produce hundreds or even billions of earthquakes per day, if the earthquakes are not detectable by those who would be affected. And let us keep in mind that a light rail system or a busy highway in an urban area probably affects more people with such vibrations than fracking in a rural area does.

      Admittedly, most are big enough to be felt but too small to do direct and immediate damage. Still, that doesn't mean they always will be, and shaking houses is obviously not good for them and over time causes settling, cracking, etc...

      Argument from ignorance is a terrible fallacy. The earthquake argument boils down to two angles. First, that the insertion of pressurized water lubricates an existing, stressed fault and triggers an earthquake. The thing with this is that once the earthquake is triggered, the stress is gone. And due to the stress, some earthquake would happen sooner or later anyway.

      The other angle is that significant energy build up occurs due to the pressurization of the fracking area. The problem here is that one needs a lot of build up in order to get serious earthquakes. Even building up the energy equivalent of several hundred tons of TNT just isn't that significant.

      and certainly shouldn't be doing it unless *paying* to insure all of those people for property, casualty, or medical harm resulting from the earthquakes

      What makes you think they aren't already? Plus we have courts, regulation, and laws.

  10. Re:The water was flammable decades... by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Full disclosure: A great deal of my personal income comes on the back of the oil and gas industry.

    Every oil or natural gas well ever drilled goes through the focking water table to get to the hydrocarbons we have grown accustomed to having at the ready. There is a protocol required when drilling, in that the well must be cased with concrete to a depth beneath where the fresh water table ends. There are a million+ wells producing in the US alone right now, and many times that number of abandoned wells since Titusville in the 1860's.

    There is an environmental consequence for every form of energy we humans use, mind you, but if the failure rate of the casing was only 1% over the timetable when wells were even cased, that is still a metric fuckton of water supply contaminations.

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  11. Revolving Door: Monsanto and the EPA .. by nickweller · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The two largest private sector sources for these EPA positions are Monsanto and Waste Management Inc. Since the creation of the EPA in 1970, at least twelve high-level employees of the agency also have one of these two companies on their resume." ref

  12. Nice use of ambiguous quotes by anchovy_chekov · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the FA: 'no evidence fracking has a "widespread" impact on drinking water'

    What does "widespread" mean? Is this like bullets, where statistically they do no harm but in certain localised scenarios (e.g. entering a particular human body at speed) they cause a lot of damage?

    I'm not sure what the water management strategies are like in the US, but I find it hard to conceive that communities may not be affected by the impact of fracking in their region. The article mentions the impact in "select areas" - and problems when the water supply is constrained (US never suffers droughts, do they?) - but doesn't go into details in the article. Does this mean that some communities are effectively shut off from their local water supply because of fracking? It's unclear.

    I suspect the potential impact of fracking is more complex than the one-line takeaway from a report. But I'm not a geoscientist, so I'll shut up now.

  13. Biased by Albinoman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From reading the comments already on here, why not just admit there's no amount of proof you work accept. Let's face it. If you're unwilling to trust EPA than there's no one you would trust.

    1. Re:Biased by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is more subtle than that. It's basically the same problem that nuclear power has. Yes, in theory it's safe and nothing bad will happen. In practice, especially for fracking, you have a bunch of money driven companies who will always put profit above the environment and your health. They will be as cheap as it is economically possible to be, taking into account insurance costs and the risk of being fined or sued for damage they cause.

      Take the flammable tap water seen in Gaslands. When they finally admitted it was due to fracking their excuse was that it was just one company that didn't secure their well properly and it will never happen again blah blah. Well, okay, but do we trust those guys? They won't even tell us exactly what shit they are pumping into the ground. If something bad does happen we know from past experience they will try to bankrupt anyone who sues them by racking up massive legal fees for a pittance in compensation a decade or two after the fact.

      The EPA's report does nothing to fix these issues.

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  14. Re:Frack water cannot be recycled by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hmm, EPA estimates all fracking in the USA amounts to 70-140 billion gallons per year.

    CA uses about 38 billion gallons per DAY (2010 estimate).

    So, if ALL of the water used in fracking (worst case estimate) were diverted to CA, it would increase their water supply by about 1%.

    Note that all of the water used in fracking can't be diverted to CA in any case, since we don't have a national water distribution system. Best case would be the water from the western States could be diverted to CA.

    So, a quick look around the web shows that maybe 5%, tops, of the fracking is done in places where the water could be diverted to CA. Which amounts to maybe 7 billion gallons of water per year, tops. Which is almost FIVE EXTRA HOURS PER YEAR of water available for CA.

    Assuming, of course, that the two DESERT States doing almost all of that fracking couldn't find a use for that water themselves....

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