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Anti-TPP Website Being Blacklisted

so.dan writes: The CTO of Fight for the Future — the non-profit activism group behind Battle for the Net, Blackout Congress, and Stop Fast Track — Jeff Lyon, is seeking advice regarding a problem with facing the website they created — stopfasttrack.com — to fight the secret Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal.

The site been blacklisted by Twitter, Facebook, and major email providers as malicious/spam. Over the last week, nobody has been able to post the website on social networks, or send any emails with their URL. Lyon has posted a summary of the relevant details on Reddit in the hope of obtaining useful feedback regarding what the cause might be. However, none of the answers there right now seem particularly useful, so I'm hoping the Slashdot community can help him out by posting here.

Lyon indicates that the blackout has occurred at a particularly crucial point in the campaign to kill the TPP, as most members of the House of Representatives would likely vote against it were it brought to a vote now, and as pro-TPP interests have started to escalate their lobbying efforts on the House to counteract what would otherwise be a no vote.

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  1. Never attribute to maliciousness etc etc ... by daveime · · Score: 5, Informative

    So, he's using a domain without an SPF record (allowing it to be spoofed), and Cloudflare hosting which is notorius for spam and botnets. The same domain name with .RU extension is already associated with generating spam.

    Furthermore, his homepage is chocka-block with links, that anyone could mistake for a link-farm / spam page.

    There's no grand conspiracy here, just a webmaster who's not terribly savvy and some overzealous AI heuristics at Spamhaus, FB and Twitter playing it safe.

    Nothing more to see here, please move along.

    1. Re:Never attribute to maliciousness etc etc ... by ckatko · · Score: 4, Informative

      Duh. A domain identified as malicious gets banned universally on Facebook. Not on a single protocol level.

      If you saw one IP address pelting your computer with spam, would you block a single port, or the whole damn thing?

    2. Re:Never attribute to maliciousness etc etc ... by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Informative

      Uhhhh...they've been spamming the fuck out of their emails? I often sign petitions on sites like Change.org and I got hit with a shitload from this yahoo, I of course know how to find the unsubscribe button at the bottom but if the rest of the Change.org users got even half the emails that I did? Well its easier to just hit that big spam button at the top of the page than it is to find a teeny tiny unsubscribe at the bottom.

      So I'd say this isn't a conspiracy, just a classic example of a noob doing it wrong.

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    3. Re:Never attribute to maliciousness etc etc ... by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're probably looking at the wrong page.....there are a lot of them in the summary. I believe this is the relevant page: https://www.stopfasttrack.com/. Note they've already added an SPF record.

      Except any old SPF record isn't the same as a correct one.

      for i in fightforthefuture.org blackoutcongress.org stopfasttrack.com;do dig -t ANY $i|grep '$i\|spf';done fightforthefuture.org. 299 IN TXT "v=spf1 include:mailgun.org include:spf.dynect.net ~all" fightforthefuture.org. 299 IN TXT "v=spf1 include:sendgrid.net include:spf.dynect.net include:_spf.google.com include:salsalabs.net ~all"

      stopfasttrack.com does not have an SPF record.

      The SPF record for fightforthefuture is wrong

      No DKIM, no DMARC, no fucking idea what they are doing - 'cause email administration is not counter-intuitive. Right? (sigh)

      And it's not like the top response to his Reddit whine didn't point out why Google dumps his email - or how to check the SPF record.

      But WTF, you don't need to be competent to lead a revolution (good intentions is all that counts when you're paving the road to a better world, right?)

      Note also that in some (enlightened?) parts of the world unsolicited commercial (you want money?) that is not opt-in IS spam.

  2. Nothing to see... move along. by denbesten · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the comments below the article....

    1) Site was on spamhaus's blacklist.
    2) Someone with more exerience than the poster suggested he add SPF records.
    3) Poster added SPF records and thanked the other person.
    4) Site is no longer on spamhaus's blacklist.

    I got tired of reading comments before I figured out if this resolved all the poster's complaints.

  3. obvious questions by Spazmania · · Score: 5, Informative

    1. Were you in fact spamming? If you injected your message lots of places where it was off topic, then you were spamming and earned your ban. If you failed to follow email best practices (this means *confirmed* opt-in prior to receiving any list content) then you were spamming and earned your ban.

    2. Has the web site been hacked with malicious code? Assume yes until you can get a clean bill of health by bona fide security expert.

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  4. Re:Free Speech by laird · · Score: 5, Informative

    The site isn't claiming that they're being censored, or that it's a Constitutional free speech issue, just that they're being blocked. It's possible that some anti-spam rule triggered against their site for some reason - anti-spam systems use statistical models and rules, and aren't always right, which is why they all have some appeal mechanism to get human judgement involved. So right now they're trying to get enough public visibility to the issue, demonstrating that the site is legitimate and that many people care about it, which gives whoever's blocking the site to have an incentive to pay attention and fix it.

    If they don't raise a fuss, they'll almost certainly be ignored and stay blocked, which isn't a good outcome.

    If I had to guess, the site might have gotten flagged by one of the black-listing services, and since many people subscribe to those services the one flag could cause them to be blocked everywhere. So if they can get enough attention to get that service to un-block them, it'll get better everywhere.

  5. Re:Remember NAFTA? by laird · · Score: 4, Informative

    True, but that accelerated after NAFTA. In part because the promised protections used to get the votes to pass NAFTA were not delivered on. That history of lying to get profitable deals passed is why it's important not to agree to TPP, etc., without knowing what's actually in it, and not to believe promises about the future.

  6. Re:Free Speech by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Informative

    Huh? There were plenty of huge multinational organizations when the first amendment was created. Part of the revolutionary war was because of several and all but two of the original 13 colonies was sponsored/created by them. They largely operated under Proprietary charters and many of the state names are derived from them. Most of them were revoked and a royal charter was in place by the 1760s but even then, we have the Boston Tea Party which was a protest over taxes created to reward the failing East India Company.

  7. Re:Free Speech by turning+in+circles · · Score: 3, Informative

    The site isn't claiming that they're being censored, or that it's a Constitutional free speech issue, just that they're being blocked.

    So, I posted a link to the Stop Fast Track website on Facebook, to see if it would be blocked, and it wasn't. I can see the website link from Facebook, my friends can see the website and post on it. So, if it was a mistake to block it, it's fixed now. Get all fired up people.

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