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LightSail Wakes Up After Silent Spell and Tries To Spread Solar Sails

An anonymous reader writes: After a second outage LightSail's controllers have re-established contact with the experimental spacecraft, and plan to begin the process for unfurling its photo voltaic sails. LightSail is a solar sail propelled test spacecraft that was launched on May 20. Two days later, it went offline because of a software glitch. "It's exciting," said William Sanford Nye, the [Planetary] society's chief executive, who is better known as Bill Nye the Science Guy. "It's anxious. It's anxiety producing."

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  1. speaking as a backer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's easy to criticize a low budget spacecraft. "They shouldn't have had a log file overflow". "They should have tested panel deployment under realistic conditions". That covered 99% of the comments in the previous slashdot thread about this thing.

    And some of those criticisms are valid, make no mistake... but I'm inclined to cut them a little slack. This is a citizen-funded spacecraft developed on a shoe-string budget with a tiny team, caught up in schedules not of their own making. The first attempt is for them to learn from, and learning they are. Not everything has gone perfectly! But they have several of these planned, and the lessons they learn from the first will be applied to the following ones.

    I think it is mildly incredible that within the next year or two, we might see a fucking Kickstarted spacecraft leave low earth orbit using a solar sail.

    1. Re:speaking as a backer... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shoestrings! Bah, they WISH they had shoestrings...
      all they got was some elastic from Bill Nye's loafers!

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    2. Re:speaking as a backer... by Adriax · · Score: 2

      Correction, they had the elastic from Bill Nye's loafers.
      It's what gave them the knowledge to get his far. But then the Warehouse agents got a ping about an engineer being haunted by a disembodied voice saying his name with every step he took. Now the elastic sits on a shelf between Don Herbert's chemistry set and Jamie Hyneman's beret.

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  2. they're not "photovoltaic sails" by sribe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sheesh. Nothing PV about them. (There are separate PV panels which provide power, but they are completely unrelated to the sail.)

    1. Re:they're not "photovoltaic sails" by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Welcome to Slashdot, where even the submitters don't bother to RTFA!

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  3. Re:This should be a major embarrassment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It sounds like as soon as the sails unfurl, the satellite will re-enter Earth's atmosphere because of high altitude drag.

    You realize that is intentional, yes? They are limited by being a small secondary payload on a launch funded and primarily meant for another purpose. They are launching a subsequent sail next year that is designed to leave LEO rather than re-enter, as this one was planned to do all along.

    Yes, they should not have had the log file problem, but this is their first ever spacecraft, designed on fuck-all budget as far as such things go. Please point us all to the web page(s) for YOUR operational spacecraft, so that we can see how the really good people do it. I'm sure we could all learn from your perfection.

  4. Re:This should be a major embarrassment by Dereck1701 · · Score: 4, Informative

    "4. Not placing the satellite high enough"

    While I agree with your other points this one is likely out of their control. Cubesats due to their lack of backups, limited quality control and no attitude/orbit control systems are almost always put into low orbits that will degrade on their own within a year or so. And given this satellites obvious faults its probably not such a bad policy. There is enough junk in orbit as is without us throwing droves of dead cubesats into the mix.

  5. Re:This should be a major embarrassment by sjames · · Score: 5, Informative

    And yet, they have a workaround for the csv problem, the reset did happen (and they were fairly sure it would), the batteries are now charged and the sail is deploying, and they expected it to re-enter fairly soon after deployment.

    This is the test mission and it's quite successful in spite of problems. All with limited experience and a shoestring budget. They have learned a lot in the process, all of which will contribute to the success of the real thing which will fly soon.

  6. Dual outages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Rumor has it the LightSail team installed software they downloaded from SourceForge, the bundled adware blew the stack and caused outages. Next time they'll know not to download anything from SourceForge.

    1. Re:Dual outages by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2

      I'm wondering if a solar sail could still work after having an Ask toolbar install itself across the top. Can the information coming back from the sail be used at all if it's being proxied through binkiland.com?

  7. crowdfunding and publicity campaign by BatesMethod · · Score: 5, Informative

    The LightSail kickstarter crowdfunding campaign is still active. Moneys donated at this point will help fund a publicity campaign.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/theplanetarysociety/lightsail-a-revolutionary-solar-sailing-spacecraft

    Jason Davis' blog has mission updates:

    http://www.planetary.org/blogs/jason-davis/

    This is a test mission. Still a historic achievement for solar sailing, though. The real LightSail mission will launch in 2016.

  8. Re:This should be a major embarrassment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wait, lemmegetthisstraight - it's somehow a "major embarrassment" to have put a spacecraft in orbit, which is sending back photos, was funded by space enthusiasts out of their own pockets, and has now achieved the nearly all of its intended objectives?

    Because they have now had a successful sail deployment, which was what this thing was supposed to do. The only remaining thing is to send back a picture of the deployed sail. Despite the glitches, it has done everything they wanted from it, including acting as a test to shake out problems for the next one.

    If only anything I've ever done in MY life could be such as "major embarrassment"...

  9. Re:This should be a major embarrassment by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 5, Informative

    This was a test flight on a shoestring budget. This thing was never going to sail anywhere. The whole idea was to see if the power management and sail deployment could be accomplished in a CubeSat footprint. Re-entry was planned to occur soon after sail deployment and it's not a surprise or a disappointment. Not bad for a Kickstarter.

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  10. Re:This should be a major embarrassment by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    but clearly he doesn't know what it takes to put together a team that knows how to design a satellite.

    The problem was if he put together a team that did know how to design a satellite he never would have managed to do it within the required budget. Let's not forget how much they were trying to accomplish, with how little, and despite all their problems lets also not forget how far they've managed to come.

  11. Re:This should be a major embarrassment by umghhh · · Score: 2

    It is/was like a normal corporate or any other project then? Low on budget and with other project parameters (skill of a crew, time etc) also constrained. I'd say with all that they went ok. It was after all only a test flight. The main mission being scheduled for 2016.

  12. Re:This should be a major embarrassment by Whiteox · · Score: 2
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  13. Re:This should be a major embarrassment by sysrammer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Adding more people to a project does not necessarily increase the chances for success. And, since the Planetary Society has a lot of educational outreach, I'm guessing that they included a lot of relative novices that learned a *hell* of a lot from the successes, but even more from the failures.

    Anyways, I include this Planetary Society blurb because I believe this is one of the pathways to the solar system.

    "Through this proof-of-concept mission, we will use CubeSats to open new paths beyond Earth and, one day, potentially to other planets with an inexpensive, inexhaustible means of propulsion: photons, solar energy in its purest form."

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  14. Re: This should be a major embarrassment by sjames · · Score: 2

    None of the problems they have had would have been solved by an RTOS, but it would have added cost. Sometimes an RTOS is really necessary, sometimes usually getting things done on time is good enough. Since the LightSail doesn't even have engines which may need to be fired with precision, RTOS wasn't really called for.

  15. Re:This should be a major embarrassment by Yoda222 · · Score: 2

    I agree with you for point 1 and 2.

    But for the point 3, it looks like they actually designed the power supply to keep the batteries charged. They just have reach a level where the safe power mode has been activated, disabling all non essential function from the spacecraft. (it's a design choice to consider TM/TC as critical or not, I would say that it should stay on, but it can be discussed) Note that reaching a charge level that low could be linked to the fact that they have lost for several days the contact due to 1 and 2, which has delayed the SA deployment. (I haven't look in detail the design of the satellite, but usually a satellite get less power when the solar array are not deployed)

    And for the point 4, it's a "design" choice. They have looked for a cheap launch to test a first version of their satellite, and found that one.

  16. Re:This should be a major embarrassment by sjames · · Score: 2

    You forget, they had an absolute drop dead date. They could either fly and fix any remaining problems during the mission, or they could scrub.

  17. Re:This should be a major embarrassment by silentcoder · · Score: 2, Informative

    You realize that Bill Nye was one of the Engineers who designed the Boeing 747 right ? His credentials as an engineer were pretty damn well established before he ever hosted a children's show.
    And clearly he has experience working in teams doing massive engineering projects on hugely complicated designs.

    What he may not have much experience with is those teams working on a budget slightly less than the one you get from the sperm bank.

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  18. Re:Tacking around the moon by pscottdv · · Score: 2

    While it is not technically "tacking," gravity provides the counter force that allows a spacecraft to steer with a lightsail.

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  19. Re: This should be a major embarrassment by stoatwblr · · Score: 2

    RTOS is not needed, nor is it practical.

    The only thing they really missed out on design-wise was having a hardware watchdog reboot it faster than it would have otherwise done.

    I've been building those into remotely deployed systems for 35+ years. The top of a mountain may not be LEO but not having to helicopter out to hit a reset button because you can't drive out through 15-foot deep snowdrifts saves a few thousand dollars the first time you get a lockup.