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First Games Inducted Into the World Video Game Hall of Fame

An anonymous reader writes: From 15 finalists, the first inductees to the World Video Game Hall of Fame were picked for 2015. Only one of the titles added to the list of legends was launched in the last 15 years. The six games inducted this year are: Pong, Pac-Man, Tetris, Super Mario Bros, Doom, and World of Warcraft. The World Video Game Hall of Fame says it recognizes games across all platforms, and all have the possibility of being included.

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  1. WoW? by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I disagree with WoW being on the list. All others are legit entries.

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    1. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Totally agree. There are MANY more worthy contenders. Colossal Cave Adventure, I'd put there maybe. But WoW? Come on. Even if you wanted a MuD, you could have picked one of the early groundbreaking ones, from the PLATO system maybe.

    2. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sheer magnitude of the number of players and money that WoW has brought to the gaming world probably eclipses any other game ever made.

    3. Re:WoW? by msauve · · Score: 1

      Yep. And notably absent are Colossal Cave Adventure and Star Trek.

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    4. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Name the single most iconic MMO of all time. WoW. "They have to be iconic, have longevity, have reached across international boundaries and also have exerted influence on the design and development of other games, on other forms of entertainment or on popular culture and society." Yes it strongly fits in all of those categories. You can't say that for any other MMO.

    5. Re:WoW? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, absolutely. If we're doing introductory inductees (say that 10 times fast) WoW doesn't really belong with Pong and Pac Man, especially in the abscence of Space Invaders and/or Galaga.

    6. Re: WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, there are more league players than wow players.

    7. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MUD1

    8. Re:WoW? by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 2

      If I wanted to put forward a game that pushed the limits of home gaming (at the time) it would have to be Commander Keen, followed quickly by Wolfenstein

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    9. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ultima Online.

    10. Re:WoW? by ogdenk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about EverQuest? It predates WoW and had quite a following. Both games suck IMHO but people liked them. I would also argue that Everquest influenced WoW's development.

      WoW is too modern to be a "Hall of Fame" contender and many games like it have existed over the years.

      Personally I think BattleZone, Tempest or the Star Wars Arcade Game should have been on the list. Vector games never get any love in popularity contests targeted at today's 12 year olds though.

    11. Re:WoW? by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      All the games on the list were played by tens (if not hundreds) of millions of people...and even if you ask someone who's never played a video game in their life, they'll probably know of those six. They've also greatly influenced a huge number of other games, and more or less defined the mechanics in their particular genre.

      Whether you 'like' them or think of them as 'classics' or not is a far more subjective criteria.

      (Also, the ratio of good to bad music hasn't changed since you were young. It just meant more to you then. Sorry.)

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    12. Re:WoW? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      wow is popular, but there are many that have never heard of it.

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    13. Re:WoW? by SQLGuru · · Score: 2

      UO or EverQuest should have made it before WoW.......simply put, WoW was just the better implementation of an existing game. The others that made the list were all ground-breaking (I probably would have gone Wolfenstein over Doom, but Doom really did define the genre). I agree WoW should be in the HoF, but there were plenty of more worthy candidates that should have gone in BEFORE WoW.

    14. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Star Control II, System Shock and Deus Ex should be in the hall of fame. They are the best games ever made for any system.

    15. Re:WoW? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      The sheer magnitude of the number of players and money that WoW has brought to the gaming world probably eclipses any other game ever made.

      Tetris is orders of magnitude bigger than WoW.

    16. Re:WoW? by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      no leisure suit larry??

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    17. Re:WoW? by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Ultima Online never escaped the nerd kingdom.

      WOW was/is played by just about every kind of person you can imagine at some point.

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    18. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Name the single most iconic MMO of all time. WoW

      No, that's the single most POPULAR MMO of all time. Very different.

      WoW is just another in a long series of games in that genre, and it was a "good" execution, but it is just walking over ground broken decades before by multiplayer dungeon games like Obliette (1977).

      People STILL play Obliette. That's after 38 years. Come on back when WoW is 38 years old and still has people playing it, and we'll talk..

    19. Re:WoW? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      I'm not a WOW fan, but I doubt there is anyone in the world who has heard of any other MMO game, yet not heard of World of Warcraft.

    20. Re:WoW? by mOzone · · Score: 1

      everquest UO and median 59 should be on list way before WoW

      Maybe they only look at how much money game made

    21. Re:WoW? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      As much as I loved those games, really, Sonic deserves to be in place of WoW.

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    22. Re:WoW? by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What about EverQuest? It predates WoW and had quite a following.

      EverQuest and Ultima Online have the same problem. Outside of gamers, only in one or two countries do people other than gamers know anything about them. But WoW is culturally pervasive across much of the world. The same logic must have placed Doom over Wolf3D.

      Personally I think BattleZone, Tempest or the Star Wars Arcade Game should have been on the list. Vector games never get any love in popularity contests targeted at today's 12 year olds though.

      The problem with any of those games is that they don't have cultural influence. Only gamers know about them. (The SW arcade game is still one of my favorites of all time, if I could own just one cabinet...) Space Invaders, on the other hand... that's got some influence, I think it ought to have made the list.

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    23. Re:WoW? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      How did Commander Keen advance gaming beyond NES games like Metroid or The Goonies, especially given how much more of a limited platform they had to run on? Or hell, Faxanadu?

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    24. Re:WoW? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1, Insightful

      They probably disqualify anything that has that 'cool guy' stigma attached to it. Anything that was 'the first' before a genre became mainstream would fit that category. As a result, all the thousands of people who have posted "pah! WoW! I played Everquest..." in forums for years now hurt the chance of everquest ever making it into the hall.

      Also, everybody who is carping and whining about the choices made this year: just like the Baseball Hall of Fame, every year all your particular favorites will have a chance again to make the list.

    25. Re:WoW? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      As much as I loved those games, really, Sonic deserves to be in place of WoW.

      If Sonic the Hedgehog belongs on the list, then Super Mario Bros. belongs on it twice. But maybe Sonic can get in later. Putting him in at the same time as Mario would have been douchey. Mario is ten times the star that Sonic will ever be.

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    26. Re:WoW? by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      WOW wasn't included because it was the first, or even close. It was included because it broke MMO's into the mainstream and had a 10-year run. Prior to WOW, MMO's were an extremely niche thing, that only nerds and hardcore gamers ever played. While I don't agree with what WOW has become in the last expansion (in fact, I will go so far as to say it's a terrible game now), you can't deny that it broke down barriers and opened up MMO's to people who had never even considered playing them before.

    27. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pong, Pac-Man and Doom were only played by nerds too. It wasn't until after video games became "cool" that laymen played them

    28. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which Sonic game? The only one I would consider is maybe the first.

      That said, I would also add Mechwarrior 2 and Duke Nukem 3D to the hall of fame.

    29. Re:WoW? by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 0

      Be that as it may, WOW would either not have existed if it hadn't been for UO, or would have been different to the extent of being unrecognizable. UO is the one that belongs in the hall of fame.

      There is little or no room for debate, to those familiar with both.

    30. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bullshit. You obviously didn't grow up in the late 70's/early 80's.

      EVERYBODY played Pac-Man.

    31. Re:WoW? by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 2

      It brought it to common desktop computers

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    32. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they can make the list right now. I have my own Hall of Fame which is equally as credible as this garbage is.

    33. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great, you agree with a couple of non-techie, noobs. Is that supposed to mean something?

    34. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WOW wasn't included because it was the first, or even close. It was included because it broke MMO's into the mainstream and had a 10-year run. Prior to WOW, MMO's were an extremely niche thing, that only nerds and hardcore gamers ever played. While I don't agree with what WOW has become in the last expansion (in fact, I will go so far as to say it's a terrible game now), you can't deny that it broke down barriers and opened up MMO's to people who had never even considered playing them before.

      I don't know I'd say they opened the genre up. Go ahead, name a successful MMO released after WOW. (EVE doesn't count, it was released before.)

      You're right, a lot of people are sick of WOW and don't like the latest expansion. But they're not moving to other MMOs, they're just giving up on the genre entirely. The MMO market is moving to F2P, leaving just WOW and EVE as the only two successful subscription MMOs out there.

      MMOs (or at least subscription MMOs) are a dying genre. WOW was the first popular MMO, and it may also be the last popular MMO.

    35. Re:WoW? by germansausage · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's not how I remember it. There were arcades everywhere and video games in every bar back in the 80's and everybody (not just nerds) dropped quarters in them. Pac man and even more so ms pac man, pole position, galaga, sinistar, tempest, defender, asteroids and a pile of other games being played non-stop by all sorts of people, not just so called nerds.

    36. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, that's the single most POPULAR MMO of all time. Very different.

      It's a hall of fame, not a hall of "best" or "first" or whatever.

      If you're talking the history of MMOs, then yes, there are a ton of milestones to mention prior to WOW.

      But WOW is the most popular MMO of all time, and when creating a Hall of Fame, yes, popularity matters more than "most influential."

    37. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only people you saw at the arcade were arcade people, which was a minuscule segment of the population. Most people back then didn't go to arcades and had never even heard of Pac-Man.

      By your logic, everyone is an alcoholic because there are bars all over and you always see people in them.

    38. Re:WoW? by aevan · · Score: 1

      You missed a step in your exaggeration. By his logic, everyone has had alcohol or heard of it. I mean it only appeared in movies, had its own series, was on clothing, backpacks, lunchboxes, was international (though only huge in the west)...

      It's okay to be wrong, just not to stay wrong. You can stop trying now.

    39. Re:WoW? by Chilaean+SeaBass · · Score: 1

      The MMO market is moving to F2P, leaving just WOW and EVE as the only two successful subscription MMOs out there.

      Final Fantasy XIV? Granted, the first release crashed and burned specacularly, but the relaunch was almost two years ago and it is going strong now - first expansion is due in about two weeks.

    40. Re:WoW? by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

      No, WoW would not have existed without EQ, Ultima Online is a fantasy online game, but it's a completely different kind of game from WoW, EQ, AC, DAoC, etc.

    41. Re:WoW? by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Gee, then I guess my whole high school class was comprised of arcade-going "nerds." The same as every other town around here.

      Arcades were the place to hang out.

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    42. Re:WoW? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Yeah!! Remember when South Park had an entire episode done in the style of Ultima Online?

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    43. Re:WoW? by narcc · · Score: 1

      I'd put Space Invaders before either. It had far more impact on both the industry and game design.

    44. Re:WoW? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      If I wanted to put forward a game that pushed the limits of home gaming (at the time) it would have to be Commander Keen...

      ... You can't be serious. Commander Keen was what you played because all you had was a 286 and your dad wouldn't get you an NES. Now I am kidding to a degree, but Commander Keen was trying to be an NES game on a machine that lacked the hardware to do what an NES could do. It did not push the limits of gaming, at best it slightly expanded the genres available to the PC. Games like Keen were a dime-a-dozen on most of the 8-bit consoles.

      ... followed quickly by Wolfenstein

      I could be persuaded to agree with this. I mean, heck, even SNES had a port of it.

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    45. Re:WoW? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      It brought it to common desktop computers

      Barely. Side-scrollers were not a significant genre on desktop computers. They lacked scrolling hardware and proper controllers for it. At best Keen showed just how important Super Mario Brothers was to the gaming world.

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    46. Re:WoW? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      It brought it to common desktop computers

      I disagree. The most famous side-scroller of the era was Karateka, which should need no link. Platform gaming in now-familiar form was brought to common desktop computers by Conan: Hall of Volta , split-screen multiplayer with objectives and a fairly sizable environment came with Spy vs. Spy , complex environments and objectives with Castle Wolfenstein . Oh wait, I just remembered some more games I've played on personal computers which have similar complexity and are older... Montezuma's Revenge, for example. And I think it's safe to say that no game of 1990 was more complex than 1988's Pool of Radiance . That game was amazing to us. It ought to have been, it took what, four floppies on the Apple 2?

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    47. Re:WoW? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Fuck that logic.

      UO was some niche whatever that no one played. WoW still has megasubs. It's its own genre. UO was a rounding error, a tech demo.

    48. Re:WoW? by cfalcon · · Score: 2

      EQ a rounding error.

      Super Mario Brothers- sold 40 million copies.
      Ultima online- peak subscribers 250,000.
      Everquest- peaked at less than half a million subs.

      WoW- peaked at TWELVE MEGASUBS. That's ludicrous. It was at 10 megasubs earlier this year.

      Everquest is some niche game that eventually started copying WoW like the rest.

      Ultima Online was an even more niche game that essentially no one played.

      WoW got where it was on its own. A zillion games "copied EQ". Now, if you make a game like this, you are copying WoW. Have been for years. People ascribe shit to EQ that it never even had before it copied it from WoW nowadays too.

      Also, like, the entire EQ playerbase jumped ship to WoW within a year. Not even worth bringing up EQ in the same conversation as WoW, if you are talking about influential games.

    49. Re:WoW? by cfalcon · · Score: 2

      It's still on its ten year run. It went down to like 6 megasubs from 10 and everyone is like "ok, that's it, it's dead". But... other games don't even have a tenth of what WoW does now and aren't considered failures. And nothing else is really even close.

    50. Re:WoW? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      That's the cat girl one right, where everyone is a cat girl?

    51. Re:WoW? by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wouldn't have existed if it weren't for adventure games either. At least one of them should have been on the list. Either Zork or Colossal Cave. MMOs are too new, with huge fanbases that go after each others' throats like it was politics. Adventure games was a full genre that includes later RPGs and MMOs and MUDs, and whatnot.

    52. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Key word was "successful."

      Square Enix also released two sequels to FFXIII and that was a complete flop too. That they're releasing an expansion doesn't show that it's a success, it shows that Square Enix doesn't understand the sunk cost fallacy.

      As I understand it, the "rerelease" of FFXIV was essentially just another New Game Enhancement like what Sony did to Star Wars Galaxies: they completely changed the game, ripping out the parts that people enjoyed, and copying World of Warcraft to the point where you're better off playing the real thing than what's essentially an anime knock-off. There were some interesting ideas in 1.0 (the ability to play the game as just a gatherer or a crafter without doing any combat, the ability to mix and match class abilities, the ability to choose your own stat growth) that were basically completely neutered in the new version to turn it into anime WOW.

      Like every MMO since WOW, FFXIV is yet another example of how no one has been able to duplicate Blizzard's success. It's yet another in a long line of failed MMOs which makes just enough money to keep the servers running but not enough to grow the genre or attract new players.

    53. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same can be said of EQ, and all of those other games. UO was first.

    54. Re:WoW? by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      My best guess is that they really wanted to include a "massively multiplayer" game in some fashion and what better representative of MMOs is there than WoW?

      But I agree, they would have been far better served just leaving MMOs out entirely than including WoW in the first iteration. WoW probably deserves to be in a "gaming hall of fame" - eventually.

      There's a huge catalog of games and genres that are just flat-out more deserving of recognition than MMOs in general and WoW in particular. WoW can wait.

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    55. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also disagree on a personal level, but it has to be looked from a more objective perspective. WoW is a game that has had an enormous impact on the gaming culture and that alone, if nothing else, warrants it being among the others.

      Not sure why your comment is marked as 'flamebait'. It's a legitimate opinion.

    56. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UO was some niche whatever that no one played.

      It's pretty safe to say the people who wrote WoW played ir.

    57. Re:WoW? by sound+vision · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Really I think that part of the issue is they have no guidelines or limitations on the nominations. With the Rock & Roll hall of fame, there is a rule that a band or performer has to have released its first music at least 25 years ago to be nominated. The time aspect is important, it helps you recognize which releases are truly important and influential, and which ones are catchy but short-lived. The reason this game inductees list looks weird is that it's got WoW listed next to Pong and Tetris. Give it another decade, and it won't be so weird to see WoW in there. IMO they shouldn't be considering anything newer than the 90s for a few years.

    58. Re:WoW? by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      70s? Shit... I grew up in the late 90s, and everyone played Pac-Man. My parents, who grew up in the 50s, also played Pac-Man at some point... I mean, I didn't ever see them, but they mentioned it and certainly knew what it was.

    59. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Putting WoW in a hall of fame its like giving Coca Cola an award for its influence on waist sizes

    60. Re:WoW? by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      Frogger.

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    61. Re:WoW? by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      I agree - both are worth to consider. I played Star Trek on a Teletype ASR-33 once. Should have had ear plugs...

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    62. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a hint...they weren't.

      Other members of the final 15? Angry Birds, Minecraft, the Sims, Pokemon, Sonic the Hedgehog, so obviously the criteria wasn't the oldest of the old.

      Seriously people, your perspective is flawed. They aren't trying to be what you think.

    63. Re:WoW? by freudigst · · Score: 1

      Were Santa Paravia (and Fiumaccio) or Temple of Apshai half as popular/global?

      On a more modern note, Myst should be of consideration, too, I would say.

    64. Re:WoW? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I can't believe they didn't include Goldeneye on those criteria. The game made more money than the movie, and brought the multi-player deathmatch model to the masses at a time when most people either didn't have an internet connection or were on dial-up.

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    65. Re:WoW? by gmhowell · · Score: 1
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    66. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ultima Online, Everquest.

      Just because WoW is huge at the moments doesn't make it most influential.

    67. Re:WoW? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't believe they didn't include Goldeneye on those criteria. The game made more money than the movie, and brought the multi-player deathmatch model to the masses

      No, stop right there. The masses didn't have an N64, so the masses couldn't even play Goldeneye. It was the least popular platform of the generation. That the game made so much money on it is a testament to its popularity, but it's another thing that nobody but gamers knows about. If you say Goldeneye, they will say "movie".

      Goldeneye was also an awful game compared to FPSes on the PC at the time. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Goldeneye was the defining moment in the "Console vs. PC Master Race" war, although we didn't call it that. That's the precise moment at which the split occurred. Console gamers were all excited by their new toy, and PC gamers were looking at them like "are you new?"

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    68. Re:WoW? by Daniel+Hoffmann · · Score: 1

      Picking wow as opposed to picking lineage (or ultima online) is akin to picking super mario world as opposed to super mario bros.

    69. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      great post. Karateka certainly needs no link. It's etched in our heads like burn in on a arcade games high score screens.

      and Now I want to play Pool again. I had completely forgotten it.

    70. Re:WoW? by some+old+guy · · Score: 1

      Everquest.

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    71. Re:WoW? by some+old+guy · · Score: 2

      Said the Blizzard marketing shill.

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    72. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because all we poor PC gamers had back in 1990 was stuff like Wing Commander, F29 Retaliator, Hoverforce, Stellar 7, Stunts, Test Drive III...you know, games that were beyond the wildest dreams of any console of the time.

      "Lacked hardware", LOL!

    73. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh, Galaxian is better than Galaga.

    74. Re:WoW? by ReeceTarbert · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fact: I'm older than you are and I was around when Pac-Man was brand new. Nobody but arcade-going nerds played Pac-Man or any video games, really.

      That you are older than the OP might even be a fact, but another fact is that a song about a video game that, according to you, "nobody played" peaked at #9 on the Billboard Hot 100 in the United States in March 1982.

      RT.

    75. Re:WoW? by djrosen · · Score: 1

      I was around before Pac-Man was brand new.
      Where else were you going to play Pac-Man until the Atari 2600 released its abomination? For no one to be playing them the arcades were packed with kids. And how do you know you are older than another AC?

    76. Re: WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had to be the time ghost, but WoW came out before 12 year olds today were born...

    77. Re:WoW? by operagost · · Score: 1

      I agree with your assessment of its lack of popularity, but the very performance of the game proved your claim that it didn't have the hardware to do what an NES could do is wrong. Carmack figured out how to do it with EGA, and my personal experience was that the game was just as smooth as Super Mario. He even made a demo of SMB3, but Nintendo rejected it not because of its accuracy or performance, but because they were not interested in anything but their own platforms.

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    78. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone in a coma that started before WoW but after EQ?

    79. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "in the United States" which had a population of what? 200 million? The single sold 1 million, leaving 199 million people who didn't give a shit about it in the United States.

      Also, there were the billions of other people in the world who didn't know or care either.

    80. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why didn't they induct the most famous games? Minecraft is more popular than WoW.

    81. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take one look at the demoscene of the time and you could see that the PC was more than capable of having smooth AND fast animation with 256 simultaneous colours. I remember even Unreal ran fine on a 386.

    82. Re:WoW? by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'd pick the original Warcraft. WoW was not all that original.

    83. Re:WoW? by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Eve Online... OK, doesn't fit the impact on all other forms of entertainment or as large of a population but it does have a pretty good size population. Of course I've avoided WoW because I wanted something more out of a game than hand holding.

    84. Re:WoW? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      None of the games you listed there were side-scrollers, genius. Guess what hardware the NES had that PCs lacked.

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    85. Re:WoW? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Keen was not anywhere as smooth as Super Mario. It might have hit 30fps on later machines, but it never reached the 60fps that Mario ran at, not even on the 486 I had years later. I did eventually run into a 60fps scroller or two, but that was in the 486 era and I'm fairly certain that was in protected mode.

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    86. Re:WoW? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Unreal was 3D and not 2D, entirely different discussion.

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    87. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He may be coming off as a shill, but he's not wrong, though. WOW defined the genre - at least in popular terms. MMOs coming out today are compared to WOW, not EQ or UO. People who don't even play video games know about WOW. WOW had a South Park episode!

      No MMO has ever come even close to WOW's subscriber numbers. At its peak, WOW has 12 million subscribers! The best any other MMO has ever come is maybe breaking 1 million, less than 10% of WOW's numbers. And that's the closest competition!

      When it comes to MMOs, WOW reigns supreme.

      And I say that as someone who personally can't stand WOW and haven't played since its launch back in 2004. You can argue that other MMOs are better, but you can't argue that any even come close to matching WOW's success.

    88. Re:WoW? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Picking something soley on popularity is a bad way to go about picking entries. Entries should be about "being first" and quality.

      WoW is a toy* not a game. i.e. There is no way to win at WoW. Some might joke the only way is not to play, but hey, Will Wright didn't consider SimCity to be a game either.

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    89. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Megasubs? Really? Trying to create an air of power around your game by creating a buzzword?
       
      Oh, and if EQ copied WoW it's only because WoW copied EQ first.

    90. Re:WoW? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Another first as far as I know for: Conan: Hall of Volta.

      It was one of the first games to use a 1-bit stencil buffer!

    91. Re:WoW? by onkelonkel · · Score: 2

      Are you going for a "Reverse No True Scotsman"? Only nerds play pac-man, so anyone who played pac-man had to be a nerd. That is just flat out wrong. Back in the early 80's games like Pac-man and Frogger and Centipede were everywhere, every bar, every bowling alley, every pizza joint, every 7-11 had a few arcade games. All sorts of people played them, some were nerds, but a whole lot of them were not.

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    92. Re:WoW? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Karateka was also notable because it was THE very first game to include cut scenes.

      Somewhere along the way they got hijacked so you couldn't skip them ...

    93. Re:WoW? by xkenny13 · · Score: 2

      Most people back then didn't go to arcades and had never even heard of Pac-Man.

      Pac-Man was ubiquitous because the video game craze extended well beyond the arcade. You could find them at movie theaters, liquor stores, pizza parlors, bowling alleys, kiosk space in the mall, even just past the checkout lanes at the grocery store. I don't know anyone who hadn't heard of Pac-Man by 1981.

    94. Re:WoW? by mu51c10rd · · Score: 1

      I am ok with WoW due to its influence and sheer power as an MMO. However, I realize most nerds avoid sports games like the plague...but why not Madden Football? The game is iconic, well-received, and has a huge following since its first release in the early 90s.

    95. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There is little or no room for debate, to those familiar with both."

      Said by every debater running out of arguments. ;-)

    96. Re:WoW? by Keybounce · · Score: 1

      You can't say that for any other MMO.

      EVE Online.

    97. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if they were **reading** my mind, eh? It is (Ambush ->) Ambush in Sorinor -> WoW (-> StarCraft), and it did make a difference. It is also Castle Wolfenstein apple II -> Wolfenstein PC -> Doom. They are missing the apples-eating-elongating-snake-in-mazes game! : ) Do you have any idea who was the Fupong (cfr...) baby? I d like to know who manufactured the TV recording set that included the first VIDEO-game pong way before... it fell near me at the right time, but I wonder who was it as next thing there were LED football machines and suddenly Atari.

    98. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They ll have to add StarCraft, Fallout I-II, Torment: Planescape and Baldur s Gate PER, FORCE. Then go into Nintendo DS. It seems those guys are choosing first mechanics as base criteria, then ubiquituous fame, though, but those games are the real experience jewel MASTERPIECES nowadays.

    99. Re:WoW? by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      I disagree with WoW being on the list. All others are legit entries.

      No kidding. I'm not sure what their criteria was though. Everquest, for example, was a complete mmorpg first by many years, much more expansive (and still is), and was basically copied by lots of mmorpgs. There is likely an even older MUD out there that can claim to have influenced later GUI games like Everquest.

      I can see WoW as being a contender if one of the criteria was 'mass popularity'. Everquest maybe had 500,0000 subscribers at its peak. WoW came along when there were a lot more PC's capable of playing a graphically intense game (EQ was released in 1999), dumbed the questing down so someone with zero mmorpg experience could start playing with little to no research, and as a result, the numbers exploded. 10 million I think?

    100. Re:WoW? by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      EQ has been around since 1999 and imo should be considered the grandfather of all modern mmorpgs. It did have 500,000 subscribers at its peak.

      WoW brought mmorpg to the masses though (10 million subscribers) at a time when everyone's PC was able to play a graphically intense game. So if subscriber numbers are more important than actual influence, I can see WoW winning. But at the time, most EQ players really made fun of WoW, since it literally copied, then dumbed down, ever single mmorpg feature than came before it.

    101. Re:WoW? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Or Donkey Kong, Q-bert, Centipede, Zork (any Infocom game, really), Oregon Trail, Pirates!, Sim City, Civilization, Lemmings, Prince of Persia, or Golden Axe, Tomb Raider, or Street Fighter II. I could go on.

      Even if we're going to talk about multiplayer RPGs, I think Ultima Online and Diablo were more noteworthy. WoW was a "me too" offering, and while it was a financial success, it didn't really bring anything new to the table.

    102. Re:WoW? by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      I agree with you, but it depends on what selection criteria they used.

      EQ came out way before other mmorpgs. It peaked with 500,000 subscribers. It is blatantly obvious that WoW and other mmorpgs copied many of its features, dumbed them down for the masses, and came out during a time when most average PC's could play the game.

      Remember when EQ came out in 1999, you needed some really good hardware to make it run smooth. WoW didn't have as much of that hardware obstacle. As a result of a wider possible install base, and dumbing down all the mmorpg features so they required little to no outside research, it made the game very appealing to a wider audience. 10 million subscribers eventually if I recall correctly.

      Before WoW, a show like the Big Bang Theory would never have an episode about an mmorpg. That is kinda proof that the selection criteria included some sort of 'mass awareness' of the game.

    103. Re:WoW? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Outside of gamers, only in one or two countries do people other than gamers know anything about them.

      You could make the same argument against many baseball hall-of-famers. Unless you're a baseball enthusiast, there are probably many inductees with low name recognition in the general public.

    104. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #noflynosub

    105. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #noflynosub #iwanttofly

    106. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #noonecares

      (OK, so yeah, WOW is definitely taking a popularity hit due to Blizzard's new "no more flying" policy. It's not like it really matters, it's not like the people who'd leave WOW over a lack of flying mounts are going to decide to go play some other MMO instead. They're just going to quit playing MMOs entirely.)

    107. Re:WoW? by mOzone · · Score: 1

      on the 15 years of everquest movie . blizzard devs for wow talked about how one met his wife in eq and how they lost so much time playing everquest..D2 had issues of almost being late due to blizard dev team was raiding in eq1

      With-out everquest blizzard wouldnt have a game to copy
      wow is eq dumbed down..basically same game with less things

        everquest also helped start the whole Chinese gold farmers

      Because items can be traded within the game and also because of illegal online trading on websites, virtual currency to real currency exchange rates have been calculated. The BBC reported that in 2002 work done by Edward Castronova showed that EverQuest was the 77th richest country in the world, sandwiched between Russia and Bulgaria and its GDP per capita was higher than that of the People's Republic of China and India.[23] In 2004, a follow-up analysis of the entire online gaming industry indicated that the combined GDP of the online "worlds" populated by the two million players was approximately the same as that of Namibia

    108. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Irrelevant. If a PC can handle complex 3D graphics (or in the case of Wing Commander, 2D graphics that simulate 3D graphics) smoothly, simplistic 2D scrolling graphics can certainly be and HAVE certainly been done smoothly. The very game you're arguing against is proof of that. So was the demoscene. So was Graphics Gems.

    109. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have a clue. Only _parts_ of Unreal were 3D, much of it was 2D, about 50% of it I would say.

      Also, if you can do 3D, you can do 2D. FYI, 3D takes more processing power to do than 2D, unless you're trying to say that PCs of the time didn't have 2D hardware but they had 3D hardware, which is patently absurd.

      Were you born in the 80s or 90s or something? Because you sound like a little kid who wasn't there for any of this.

    110. Re:WoW? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Irrelevant. If a PC can handle complex 3D graphics (or in the case of Wing Commander, 2D graphics that simulate 3D graphics) smoothly...

      When Wing Commander was out, it was smooth and Keen was not.

      ...simplistic 2D scrolling graphics can certainly be and HAVE certainly been done smoothly.

      Smooth enough maybe, but not 'smoothly'. You did not play lots of side-scrollers on the PC back in the Wing Commander era because the hardware for it was just plain non-existant. I remember when the first round of Pentiums came out Sega announced they could finally start porting their Sonic games to the PC because the hardware was finally fast enough to do it in software.

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    111. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Commander Keen was smoother than any Mario game.

    112. Re:WoW? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Half the speed at best. It was a while after the game came out before the computers could reach 30fps. The NES Super Mario games all ran at 60fps, even back in 1985.

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    113. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Righ. My mom knows tetris, pacman, and maybe even pong. But Wow? No way.

    114. Re:WoW? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      WoW is a toy* not a game. i.e. There is no way to win at WoW.

      WoW is an environment, a world, not a game. But it contains games. It has goals, you can complete them, you can win at those goals. It's not a toy, it's a virtual place.

      but hey, Will Wright didn't consider SimCity to be a game either.

      It depends on the version. Some have objectives. (I would argue that the SNES edition of the original is the best, after that it's always the PC version, eventually there's only PC versions which makes the decision simpler...)

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    115. Re: WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By that metric The Beatles are completely unknown niche band as there's 6.75 billion people in the world who haven't bought a Beatles album. Do your hands get sore grasping at all those tiny straws?

    116. Re:WoW? by CountZer0 · · Score: 1

      Everquest ... Predates WoW, still is going strong, and frankly, was the basis of WoW and every other MMO to follow.

    117. Re:WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but the burden of proof lies with the people who claim World of Warcraft is hall-of-fame material.

    118. Re:WoW? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Well, that and the atrocity that is the new nelfgirl model :(

    119. Re:WoW? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      I love that I'm somehow a Blizzard shill. They'd do well to use megasubs tho, I agree.

      I did play WoW for years, and enjoyed it a lot. I don't like the current state of the game, but even if I did, work stuff has ramped up pretty ludic for me. I would probably be subscribed and not playing seriously if I didn't dislike so much of Warlords of Draenor, however, instead of turning off all subs.

    120. Re:WoW? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      I quote numbers, you accuse me of being a shill. Fuck right off, sir!

    121. Re:WoW? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      "wow is eq dumbed down"

      This statement MIGHT have been true at WoW launch. Certainly, it was easier to level by a ludicrous amount (and they made it even easier later). But many EQ features were post WoW *and copied WoW*, such as instanced raid bosses, and after a few years WoW had features that EQ never touched- entire game modes, really.

      So no, it's not dumbed down EQ. It's an MMO that is very approachable to a casual, yet denies those casuals effective end game gear unless they want to get on the same gear treadmill as the raiders. The first part gets them their subs and pays all their bills for the second part, which is a lot like the older part of the industry.

      I remember all those cool EQ stats back when they were being thrown around too, but the point is, WoW quadrupled their numbers in months. Oh, that stuff you copypasta from Wikipedia points to this article:

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/tec...

      Which gives that "all MMOs are two million players number", which was true when the study was done... in August 2004.

      WoW launched in November 2004, three months later.

      WoW had 1.5 megasubs in first quarter 2005.
      WoW had 3.5 megasubs in second quarter 2005.

      It took WoW six months triple the existing GENRE, becoming two thirds of it.

      It hit six megasubs at the beginning of 2006.

      Look, I get how everyone wants to shit on WoW. But you all know it redefined everything about the industry, and still dominates it solidly to this very second. Arguably, the MMO genre died years ago, and a new genre, the "WoW-like", took its place- almost all MMOs that would follow duplicate WoW down to preposterous detail, from the exact same gear treadmill, the exact same model for instanced raiding, the exact same model for acquiring and balancing pvp gear, the exact same types of group pvp offered, the exact same lack of 1v1 pvp, the exact same model for ground mounts, all of which are part of your character and can never attack, whether they are a horse, a dragon, a speeder from Star Wars, or a hoverboard, and all of which go at exactly the same speed.

      No one would implement that all by accident. EQ had character collision, WoW does not. None of the games now do.

      You would get nothing like the current genre if everyone wasn't copying every single decision, design or technical, that WoW made. So many things were created by WoW that it's just like, a damned joke that anyone pretends otherwise.

      Hate WoW if you like- I stopped playing because I don't like the things it does now (and even when I did play, I didn't like everything they did). But it's so vastly influential and popular that there's just no way you can't say it isn't those things.

    122. Re: WoW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      popularity doesnt define influence. ultima series was way more infuential than wow, since pretty much all rpgs took infuence from ultima series, even all the japanese. but the list really needs outrun.

    123. Re:WoW? by mOzone · · Score: 1

      what you said means nothing pac-man is on list also who cares if no one is buying pac-man arcade machines now or gameboy tetris sales in 2015

      nor what you said changes fact wow copied everquest devs even said so

      stop being a wow shill

      i dont hate wow cant hate video-games its for fun

    124. Re:WoW? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      PC's in Keen's time did NOT have 3d hardware. The game ran in EGA. Unreal came out YEARS AFTER Keen and did not run on 286 hardware.

      I'm older and better informed than you think.

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    125. Re:WoW? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      On the IBM PC[edit]
      Side-scrolling had been a well-known phenomenon in arcade and console games of the 1980s, as they possessed hardware optimised for the task. However, it was not considered feasible on the PCs of the time, which did not have the hardware necessary to produce smoothly-scrolling graphics at an acceptable framerate.

      It's an interesting article. Enjoy.

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  2. what? when did this happen? by Karmashock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    when did a hall of fame for games get created that wasn't just some guy's opinion?

    Where is this?

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    1. Re:what? when did this happen? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      when did a hall of fame for games get created that wasn't just some guy's opinion?

      This year, 2015.

      Where is this?

      Rochester, New York

    2. Re:what? when did this happen? by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      ... I know but... like... I've seen nothing about this until now and who the fuck are these people... and etc etc?

      I mean, should I take this more seriously than any jackass saying "I like this"... is this supposed to be like the academy awards or golden globes or something?

      The very idea of this thing is baffling to me because I don't think the community or industry is organized enough to have such a thing.

      I don't really have a problem with their selections, I just think the way in which they go through this needs to be declared and obvious.

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    3. Re:what? when did this happen? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      I mean, should I take this more seriously than any jackass saying "I like this"...

      No, probably not.

      is this supposed to be like the academy awards or golden globes or something?

      I am sure that the people doing it see it that way.

      I don't think the community or industry is organized enough to have such a thing.

      That means that anyone can start such a thing, and no one is organized enough to stop them.

      I just think the way in which they go through this needs to be declared and obvious.

      Why? If you don't like the way they do it, then start your own hall of fame. They don't owe you anything.

    4. Re:what? when did this happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      ... I know but... like... I've seen nothing about this until now and who the fuck are these people... and etc etc?

      I mean, should I take this more seriously than any jackass saying "I like this"... is this supposed to be like the academy awards or golden globes or something?

      The very idea of this thing is baffling to me because I don't think the community or industry is organized enough to have such a thing.

      I don't really have a problem with their selections, I just think the way in which they go through this needs to be declared and obvious.

      It's at the Strong Museum of Play which is the recognized Toy Hall of Fame by the International Toy Industry and the Strong Museuem is also home to the International History of Electronic Games. The Strong also has over 65,000 video game artifacts in its collection which is the largest collection in the world. It's a world-class museum. So yes it is worthy of creating this Hall. You should check it out if you ever have a chance. It's arcade game collection is also amazing.

  3. What about Goldeneye 007? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Goldeneye 007 is the best game of all time. Why wasn't it inducted immediately?

    1. Re: What about Goldeneye 007? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was the best game of ITS time. I don't think it's aged well.

    2. Re: What about Goldeneye 007? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Goldeneye was never the best game by a long shot. It might have been the best FPS on N64, but that's saying very little.

    3. Re: What about Goldeneye 007? by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 1

      It was also the best selling console game of the year for two different years, if I remember correctly, which is saying a lot.

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    4. Re: What about Goldeneye 007? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gran Turismo and Final Fantasy VII both outsold Goldeneye in the same time period.

  4. All platforms? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Missing Lemmings and Frogger (which defined a new genre and was ported to just about every computer ever produced,) IMHO.

  5. SCUMM by fender_strato · · Score: 1

    No love for Maniac Mansion? It was the 1st game using the scumm engine... WOW being there is weird indeed.

    1. Re:SCUMM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While the SCUMM engine was cool, Maniac Mansion itself was stupid and gay. Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbinders was a much better game.

  6. Where's Asteroids? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF? Is this like boxing, where every month there's another "World Federation" that springs up sanctioning awards?

  7. Seriously? WoW ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That game is the single most boring MMO ever. The only reason it was even remotely popular is because it's a blizzard game.

    1. Re:Seriously? WoW ? by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter. It was nominated because it broke down barriers and opened up MMO's to the mainstream. All MMO's prior to WOW were niche and pretty much only played by nerds and hardcore gamers. WOW shattered that, opened them up to mainstream, and had a 10-year run. While I don't agree with what WOW has become in the latest expansion (it's a terrible game now), you can't deny the influence it's had on the market and it had a very successful run (that is now ending, but that's also beside the point).

    2. Re:Seriously? WoW ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Had" a 10-year run? It's lost a lot of subscribers, but it's still an order of magnitude more popular than almost everything else.

    3. Re:Seriously? WoW ? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      The only reason it was even remotely popular is because it's a blizzard game.

      You can tell how boring and flash-in-the-pan it was by the way half the people who played that game were subscribed for more than a year.

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    4. Re:Seriously? WoW ? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      It's at 6 megasubs right now. No fucking past tense dude. I'm not a fan of their recent changes (and I turned off all my accounts months ago), but get your shit together. It's hugely popular right this second.

  8. ...and the award for Lifetime Achievement goes to: by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 5, Funny

    Duke Nukem Forever!!!

  9. wut about?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Missle command, asteroids, Battle Zone, after burner, Tempist, Defender, centipeede, Warlock, Tron, SeaWolf, Rally-X, gauntlet, mortal combat, track and field, street fighter, q-bert, shamus, Ali-baba and the 40 thieves, Star raiders, Lode runner, ???
     

    1. Re:wut about?? by Whiteox · · Score: 2

      +1 Lode Runner - Also Chopper Rescue (Apple II) was excellent. Some of the early SGI games were great not to mention those text adventures.
      Too many to list eg Meteors etc.

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    2. Re:wut about?? by ogdenk · · Score: 1

      Totally agree on Star Raiders and Lode Runner. Either one should have taken WoW's spot on that list.

    3. Re:wut about?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Ultima Series "Lord British lives forever"
      Zork, Leisuresuit larry,
      LORD legend of the Red Dragon
      "strip poker"
      Falkens Maze, global-thermonuclear war, Dragons Lair, Spy Hunter, Mr. Do. , food fight, Galaga,
      Star trek (the text version),

    4. Re:wut about?? by HairyNevus · · Score: 1

      It's the first Hall of Fame ceremony of this type. It has a long way to go to get to all worthy recipients.
      Too bad they inducted WoW off the bat. It may be worthy but they should have prioritized chronology.

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    5. Re:wut about?? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Street Fighter II is the only one on that list that would apply. Anybody who had a 16-bit system and a Blockbuster Card at the time would understand why.

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    6. Re:wut about?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +Falkens maze,
      Lord was good,
      Mr Do was fun
      Lord British should live for ever
      Spy hunter was prety good as well

    7. Re:wut about?? by zacherynuk · · Score: 1

      Should be PIT fighter - not mortal kombat. (first game I can recall to use photo's for sprites)

      Prince of persia (first game I recall to use rotoscoping for animation)
      Ultima Underworld (first true 3D crawler)
      MS Flight Simulator (aka IBM compatibility tester)
      Elite (FFS!)


      To be honest, it's a pretty poor museum. If I went to the Natural History Museum and all they had was 6 bones... This isn't a Museum - it's a list.

    8. Re:wut about?? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      If I'm mistaken Lode Runner was one of the first games to include a level editor.

      Sadly Doug Smith passed away last year. :-(

      http://www.polygon.com/2014/9/...

    9. Re:wut about?? by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Ah, that is sad. I spent many months on that. Also created levels that I swapped with a friend.

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  10. Why ask why? by gimmeataco · · Score: 1

    I'm personally curious about why they started with such a short list of inductees. I strongly support WoW's inclusion, but it does seem weird to include in the first six versus the history of gaming itself. Angry Birds being on the list of finalists angries up my blood. Why Doom instead of Wolfenstein?

    1. Re:Why ask why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tough call between Wolf3D, Doom, and Quake. Each of them were pretty monumental. In picking Doom, I would say LAN-play. Shooting Nazis in Wolf3D was impressive at first, but got boring rather fast. Fragging office mates in Doom was mind blowing.

    2. Re:Why ask why? by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      They're just following in the footsteps of the Rock and Roll hall of fame... this year, Green Day was picked over Kraftwerk to be inducted. Nuff said

    3. Re:Why ask why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why Doom instead of Wolfenstein?

      I assume you mean Wolfenstein 3D since you're comparing it to Doom (Castle Wolfenstein is an old 2D game which has no relation to Wolfenstein 3D).

      My question is why Wolfenstein 3D instead of Catacombs Abyss 3-D? Or why Wolfenstein 3D instead of Maze War?

    4. Re:Why ask why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might be because Kraftwerk doesn't make rock and roll music.

    5. Re:Why ask why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No!!!!!! I don't even want to live in this world any more :-(

    6. Re:Why ask why? by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      That didn't stop them from nominating Kraftwerk. (Or for that matter, N.W.A., the Beastie Boys, and a bunch of other nominees and indeed inductees that are not rock.)

    7. Re:Why ask why? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Because DooM was fat, far far more than Wolf 3D ever was. It's a hall of fame, not a hall of which games got there (for some version of there) first. Doom is an indisputable icon (well I guess you're disputing it).

      As for angry birds... well... It's a massive, massive cultural phenomemon whether we like it or not. I think it will fade and have less ultimate impact than, say, DooM, but it is pretty major at the moment.

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    8. Re:Why ask why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try Bud Dry.

    9. Re:Why ask why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Beastie Boys incorporate rock into their music. I'm guessing you've never heard anything by them or you'd know that.

      And if they are nominating non-rockers then perhaps they should rename to "Music Hall of Fame" instead of something as specific as "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame". I guess they're just morons who don't understand musical genres and thus shouldn't be trusted to pick them out.

  11. aw, it's just the World by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    a small division of the Universe.

  12. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No Battletoads?

    1. Re:So... by nmb3000 · · Score: 2

      No Battletoads?

      Unfortunately, somebody must have actually finished the game in order for it to be eligible for entry into the Hall of Fame.

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    2. Re:So... by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      A lot of games would deserve inclusion above battletoads. Megaman 2, without doubt, a ton of stuff in the Playstation era... I mean, I'm always sad when a list of any games doesn't include The Guardian Legend, but these are niche games.

    3. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this were true, then WoW would never been eligible for inclusion, as MMORPG's by nature do not get finished...

    4. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      finish the current last instance and its finished. you can continue to play but its just the same again and again

  13. History... by Ambient+Sheep · · Score: 2

    Space Invaders, Defender and Tempest see the obvious omissions to me...

  14. Who's With Me by Guy+From+V · · Score: 1

    Anyone play Grave Robbers on C-64 datasette, that's the best game ever.

  15. leisure suit larry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    look how many gamers found out about girls because of just one game!

    1. Re:leisure suit larry by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't forget learning useless trivia from the previous generation to get past the age check before you discovered the key-combo to bypass it.

  16. NO SPACE INVADERS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    This is outrageous!

    I will hack the bank accounts of the employees of the World Video Hall of Fame and re-directs all incoming monies to bank accounts held by Swiss banks for Al-Qaeda, Taliban and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

    There! Take That!

    What will you say when the USA IRS comes visiting!

    Ha ha

  17. Seriously? by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

    No Half-Life or CS? or Unreal for that matter.

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    1. Re:Seriously? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      No Half-Life or CS? or Unreal for that matter.

      Half-Life changed video games forever. It's an order of magnitude more important than WoW.

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    2. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Half-Life only continued what Doom started, with the intermediate step being Quake.

    3. Re:Seriously? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Half-Life only continued what Doom started, with the intermediate step being Quake.

      Not even close. Half-Life invented the NPC that actually paid attention. It was a sea change in how people viewed their own character vis-a-vis the characters that populate the world.

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    4. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Half-Life was nothing more than another cookie-cutter Quake clone. It even used the same engine, so it's actually not much more than a TC.

    5. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. Half-Life was entirely scripted. NPCs didn't change at all, no matter what actions you did.

      I remember when Half-Life came out. I played it for an hour until I got sick of it, due to having played many other better games.

    6. Re:Seriously? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Half-Life changed video games forever. It's an order of magnitude more important than WoW.

      If you ask a random person on the street who Mario is, you're likely to find out he's a plumber from a Nintendo game, or you'll have a good shot at it. If you ask a random person on the street who Gordon Freeman is, they'll probably say "wasn't he involved in the civil rights movement?" Consequently, Pablo Picasso was never... no, wait. You know how this paragraph is supposed to end. That just popped into my head for some reason.

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    7. Re:Seriously? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. Half-Life was entirely scripted. NPCs didn't change at all, no matter what actions you did.

      Their eyes stayed on you as you moved about. This small innovation has done more to change the way we relate to NPCs than almost anything else.

      All NPCs in all games are "entirely scripted" by the way.

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    8. Re:Seriously? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Bullshit.

      That's a very compelling argument.

      Half-Life was just garbage through and through. Maybe you don't think so because you're young and that's what you grew up with

      I am older than you are, and have been playing games longer.

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    9. Re:Seriously? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Jedi Knight 1 did that first back in late 1996.

      And Half-Life did it in 1998, and is widely considered the best video game of all time.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    10. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Halo and Angry Birds are also considered to be the best video games of all time.

      Also, PC Gamer rated Deus Ex as the single best video game of all time, so you're wrong there too.

    11. Re:Seriously? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      No you aren't. I was gaming before you were even born, junior.

      If you were, you'd remember this:

      " In the November 1999, October 2001, and April 2005 issues of PC Gamer, Half-Life was named "Best Game of All Time"/"Best PC Game Ever""

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    12. Re: Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bullll craaapp. half invented only the shitty mechanism of ruining half the game with aliens.

  18. Smoking crack-cocainezes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WoW before the original Legend of Zelda.......?

  19. Some of the others should be in already. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    They have to be iconic, have longevity, have reached across international boundaries and also have exerted influence on the design and development of other games, on other forms of entertainment or on popular culture and society.
    [...]
    Of the 15 finalists that were announced in late April, nine did not have what it took to be inducted at this time. Those titles included: The Legend of Zelda, Minecraft, The Oregon Trail, Angry Birds, FIFA, Pokemon, The Sims, Sonic the Hedgehog and space Invaders.

    I question whether any sports game will ever truly belong in the video game hall of game; if anything it would probably be Golden Tee, which probably has done more to bring video gaming to old white farts than any other title. But I think it's clear that Zelda, Minecraft, Pokemon, The Sims, and Space Invaders all belong in the hall of fame by this criteria.

    Back on the subject of sports games, since I feel I have to defend my statement; the games don't influence society, the sport does, and the games are one of the results. For the USA, NBA JAM is one possible contender. The NBA JAM video game jokes have [just] begun to leak out into popular culture, naturally via comedy. But I was just at the Salvation Army facility at Lytton Springs, doing a little crap shopping, and one of the things that fell out of a bin while I was rummaging was a little minecraft pick icon about 2" across. That shit is everywhere. Space Invaders is a common meme, Zelda is goddamned Zelda, Pokemon WTF seriously it's Pokemon, and holy shit The Sims. Probably better than a 1 in 10 chance that any random woman you meet on the street knows what a plumbob is.

    I propose the following criteria: if you can break the internet by searching for cosplay of a particular video game, it gets into the HoF. That means Zelda is definitely in.

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    1. Re:Some of the others should be in already. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rol. I agree about most sports games, but I can make an exception for anything hockey. NHL '94 on the Sega Genesis was boss.

      I think football and basketball games are boring as f*ck.

    2. Re:Some of the others should be in already. by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Probably better than a 1 in 10 chance that any random woman you meet on the street knows what a plumbob is.

      Uh oh, I thought I knew what a plumbob was until you said that. Then I had to go look it up. So yes, I still know what a plumbob is, but indeed what most people know as a plumbob does not match my definition. I've even PLAYED the Sims, probably have 40 or 50 hours in from about 10 years back, and didn't know that thing over their head was called a plumbob.

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    3. Re:Some of the others should be in already. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I know what both a plumb bob and a plumbob are, sadly. And I think I may actually have every Sims game, and I have lots of expansions... but I've only spent a total of a couple hours on all the titles combined, they're just readily available at yard sales, flea markets, and the like for a buck or less. Which in itself ought to say something...

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  20. Re: They forgot to nominate ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's RapeLay? Iconic doesn't begin to describe!

  21. Rogue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It inspired a whole category of games that are named after it.

  22. ooh street fighter by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    You are so right about that one, AC. Specifically, SF2, which is where it really went nuts in the market with all the modded machines and so on. That game really created the modern fighting game phenomenon. I know, people out there are now pounding tables and shouting about MK, but SF was a major thing before MK.

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    1. Re:ooh street fighter by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Also SF discovered combo moves. I'd say invented, but they were actually a bug according to the designer which allowed you to trigger a new move one frame before the end of the previous one allowing them to be chained together very fast. Combos are now of course a staple of fighting games.

      The other cause for early triggering was landing: a fighter in the middle of kick-while-jumping sequence would instantly transition to standing-ready upon landing no matter how soon the latter happened. This allowed one to follow a kick-while-jumping move almost instantly with another move, e.g. leg sweep with pretty much no gap.

      I believe there were a few other such shortened sequences.

      Ya-Ta!

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    2. Re:ooh street fighter by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The genius of SF2 was to introduce a real fighting system. Previous games gave each character moves but didn't really think about how players would use them. With SF2 everything was designed like a game of chess, where players could use both strategy and skill to win. It was the end result of a long build up by Capcom, with games like the original Street Figher and Final Fight along the way where the designers explored ways to make fighting games into something that players could learn and master, rather than just being random or reliant on abusing bugs to win.

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  23. Craig's List by Greyfox · · Score: 0

    The feel I get from it is those were the games they could get for cheap on Craig's List. And Gary had a level 60 paladin before he discovered sex and quit the game.

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  24. Where's XCOM? by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 1

    Personally I think XCOM should have been picked over WoW. It's super iconic, consistently ranks as one of the best videogames ever made, and I would argue has had more influence on video game development than WoW.

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    1. Re:Where's XCOM? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      More influence? Nah.

      X-COM sold less than a million, ever. WoW peaked at 12 million subscribers, and that's not every player ever- just the most playing at once.

      WoW belongs on this list. The game that only us nerds have played and literally no one else? No. It does not. WoW is influential and well known everywhere, X-COM is absolutely not.

    2. Re:Where's XCOM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xcom sold less than a million to an audience that was much smaller. Stop making this retarded fucking argument. your obsession with defending wow's inclusion is ridiculous. Clearly there were less people playing video games for a variety of reasons when these older other games came out. Taking your stupid point into account, we should dump Wow for farmville and candy crush saga on there. Yay, awesome. more people = better!

    3. Re:Where's XCOM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The list is supposedly about games and not about mainstream entarteinment. X-COM all the way. Every developer has played it, every gamer knows it, it's actually a damn great game, where WoW isn't even a game really anymore. Not all blockbuster hollywood effect movies that net hundreds of millions belong to movie hall of fame, no game belongs to any game hall of fame just because it sold and made millions. Would you accept FarmVille to the hall of fame? Angry Birds?

    4. Re:Where's XCOM? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Dude, in the years before X-COM, there were games selling more than 20 million. WoW didn't "sell 12 million copies", that was its peak subscription- games that people keep playing and rebuying.

      The audience was smaller, but it didn't touch blockbusters of the time, nor did its influence have nearly the same long reaching effects. You'd go through a dozen Super NES games long before X-COM, is my damned point.

    5. Re:Where's XCOM? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      AngryBirds (and likely Clash) will probably get on that list eventually, you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. FarmVille I seriously doubt.

  25. Dud HOF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Angry birds, sonic, space invaders easily beats WOW hands down. In 10 years from now, WOW will not have longevity - by design.

    Epic HOF fail.

  26. Missing? by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Zork. It just has to be there. It's like having a basketball hall of fame, and not having Michael Jordan in it.

    Miner2049er. Again iconic.

    Myst, I'm not a big fan, but in it's time it was iconic.

    1. Re:Missing? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Zork. It just has to be there. It's like having a basketball hall of fame, and not having Michael Jordan in it.

      On one hand, I want to agree with you. On the other hand, only nerds know what Zork is. It's never made the leap out to the real world.

      Myst, I'm not a big fan, but in it's time it was iconic.

      Probably it will weasel its way in there someday, but that genre has pretty much died for a reason, and that reason is that it's boring. Of course, now we have a rash of walking simulators, so I could be wrong.

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    2. Re:Missing? by cbeaudry · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, Frogger probably had more playtime and impact than Zork.

    3. Re:Missing? by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, only nerds know what Zork is. It's never made the leap out to the real world.

      You've made essentially this same comment about other games in this thread, and I'm not sure it is a good metric to go by.

      It would be like judging all of music by what is popular, since that is the only thing to have a real cultural impact (at least monetarily).

      I'd rather if it were video game aficionado's pointing the way to the general public as to why these games are important, and perhaps how they shortchanged themselves by only following what is popular.

      And a vote for Sini-Star.

    4. Re:Missing? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You've made essentially this same comment about other games in this thread, and I'm not sure it is a good metric to go by.

      Well, RTFA and complain to the owners of the HoF, it's their metric. It's not mine. Although, the more time I've spent with this article, the more I agree that it's a worthy criteria. It eliminates a lot of similar games which otherwise would all be clamoring for inclusion.

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    5. Re:Missing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a gamer and I've never heard of them. Sorry.

    6. Re:Missing? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'm a gamer and I've never heard of them. Sorry.

      If you think you're a gamer but you've never heard of Zork, you've got another think coming. It's part of our collective subconscious. Those other titles are pretty fringey though, especially Miner. A lot of people forget to look for international appeal. If you're in the UK you might be tempted to call out titles which appeared on your quaint local platforms but nobody else in the world cares. But back in the early, early days of PC gaming, everybody played "Arcade Beach Volleyball". It was at the cutting edge of CGA graphics! And the mags shipped it around.

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    7. Re:Missing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Myst is certainly not fringe. It was more popular than any of the Zork games and one of the most popular games of all time, even if the game itself isn't very good.

    8. Re:Missing? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Right, I totally agree, Myst was completely mainstream. Wasn't there even a book? The very idea is hilarious. Definitely more well-known than Zork, among non-gamers. Among gamers, if you don't know Zork, you don't know Jack. Speaking of which, if the game show genre hadn't died as well, I'd suggest YDKJ. That's a game with mass penetration.

      Thing is, nobody is making games like Myst any more. Or if they are, nobody cares.

      Myst probably ought to slide in there before Zork, as much as I hate the idea. But I was talking about gamers.

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    9. Re:Missing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Myst is probably the worst "game" I've ever played.

    10. Re:Missing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a gamer and I've never heard of them.

      Then you're not a gamer. Seriously, claiming to be a gamer when you've never heard of Zork and Myst is like claiming to be a musician when you've never heard Beethoven and Mozart.

  27. Counter Strike? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is probably the most popular FPS game there has ever been. The one that started it all. I really think it should be included in this list. It launched around 2000, and to this day, it has a loyal following.

  28. Hall of Fame with Inductees Everyone Agrees On? by dens · · Score: 1

    Doesn't exist. Look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: https://rockhall.com/inductees.... Do you agree with all of these? Can you name some that should be there, or perhaps should be there instead?

    It looks to me like the first 6 inductees are all games even many non-gamers would have heard of. MY MOM knows about WoW, she's in her 70s and the only video game she has ever played is Words with Friends. I guarantee you that she and most people like her wouldn't know any other MMO.

  29. Interesting list of game choices by BevanFindlay · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hmm. That list seems to make sense, though WoW is perhaps the outsider.

    But, what about Asteroids, Space Invaders, even Street Fighter? Civilization or Sim City? No love (yet) for strategy games at all, which should probably start with either those or Dune II, or perhaps something from the Command & Conquer series (either C&C1 or Red Alert 1). Although, maybe I'm a bit too much of a geek - quite likely, Age of Empires would beat some of those to the list.

    However, these, and most of the other suggestions being made, are more about iconic or revolutionary (started a genre) games, as opposed to simply famous. And, they put the requirement of it influencing outside culture (so recognisable by more than gamers). The Sims, Minecraft, Sonic, and yes, as much as we geeks don't want to admit it, Angry Birds (as derivative as that is - i.e. there's no Scorched Earth, a much earlier artillery game) are all legitimate nominations I think. Perhaps they might have had less ire if they kept to solely classic games for the first round, although I do remember hearing something about an unofficial WoW theme park in China... Interesting that WoW gets in before Warcraft though.

    I can see how difficult it would be to be objective on something like this, so I applaud their attempting it, even if I don't entirely agree with the choices. Maybe they included WoW to try and have something relevant to a modern audience? (Although, arguably Minecraft is more recognisable today, if perhaps still a little new. I expect it will get there soon enough though).

    1. Re:Interesting list of game choices by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Street Fighter II (NOT the original Street Fighter, which no one played) should be on that list. Asteroids, I just don't think so. Space Invaders, probably.

      Starcraft would be on the list way before Dune II or C&C. Or Warcraft II.

    2. Re:Interesting list of game choices by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Minecraft will probably hit that list at some point, but WoW is just as "recognizable" today (it had 10 megasubs a few months ago) as it was at its peak of 12. It's not some has-been, though at some point it will be. Minecraft should definitely show up at some point though. It's ludic popular.

    3. Re:Interesting list of game choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That Minecraft can boast inclusion in standard school curricula doesn't hurt its case either. When was the last time Swedish schools mandated WoW to schoolchildren?

    4. Re:Interesting list of game choices by BevanFindlay · · Score: 1

      Actually, yes, Starcraft would probably the first of the RTSes to make the list (mostly thanks to South Korea), even though it was far from the first. It has had quite a significant cultural impact (which the others can't really boast). Maybe I'm just a bit nostalgic...

    5. Re:Interesting list of game choices by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Google "professional Dune 2 players" and you'll find out that no, you are not just being nostalgic :P

      Not hating on Dune 2. For years a buddy and I could call each other and go "akk-nowledjed" and the other would respond "re-pording", from them stupid Dune 2 infantry.

      Hell, it would probably work right this second...

  30. Williams "Defender" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Scrolling? Mini-maps? Complex game play? Proof that gamers were ready for hard-core games? Media coverage at tournaments and long-play events? Half a dozen song references? Game of the Year? 2nd highest grossing arcade of all time?

    Left off the list?

    Seems legit.

  31. Elite? by dumfrac · · Score: 1

    100+ comments, and no mention of Elite?

    1. Re:Elite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are busy playing Elite Dangerous, no tie to comment on stupid thread about some stupid hall of fame that isn't including elite. Yes, list all the non-important mainstream games all you want. Those are not the kind of games gamers are looking for.

  32. Dungeon Master by Nikademus · · Score: 1

    As the title says: Dungeon Master.

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  33. No Street Fighter 2? by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

    No versus fighting games? Blasphemy!

  34. Space Invaders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Space Invaders was amazing for the time. came out before Pac-Man too.

  35. Imagine that today? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    COMPUTER: "To enable 'LEWD MODE,' answer this question: Which MLB team did MIckey Mantle play for?"

    (HOME...)

    KID: "Siri, who did Mickey Mantle play for?"

    SIRI: "Checking my sources... I found an article on Wikipedia for Mickey Mantle. Would you like me to read it to you?"

    KID: "Yes"

    SIRI: "Mickey Charles Mantle (October 20, 1931 - August 13, 1995), nicknamed "The Commerce Comet" or "The Mick", was an American baseball player. Mantle played in Major League Baseball (MLB) for the New York Yankees as a cen..." (HOME)

    KID (to computer): "New York Yankees"

    COMPUTER: "LEWD MODE enabled!"

    KID: "Sweet. Who was THAT supposed to keep out?"

  36. It should have been wolfenstein not Doom by iceco2 · · Score: 1

    Doom may have been more popular but it didn't really develop the genre. It was an incremental improvement hardly revolutionary.

    1. Re:It should have been wolfenstein not Doom by One+With+Whisp · · Score: 1

      Do people still make Wolfenstein mods?

      The Doom community is still very much alive to this day. New levels and levelpacks come out all the time, and there are quite a number of forks of the engine, enough that you could map out their genealogy. Some of those forks are still in active development.

    2. Re:It should have been wolfenstein not Doom by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I was a kid when Doom came out and I remember it being a relatively large improvement over wolfenstein. The maps were much more complex, the levels were filled with triggered events, weapons were more diverse, enemies were more diverse, lighting was an actual thing, and I'm sure I'm missing many more things. I'll always love Wolfenstein games, but Doom kicked the genre into high gear, much like WoW did with MMO's.

    3. Re:It should have been wolfenstein not Doom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doom was extremely revolutionary. I recall seeing the first teaser screenshots for it and thinking "no way can a game look this good". I didn't actually believe it until it was released and I was playing. The graphics were incredible for the time and it ran perfectly fine on a 386.

    4. Re: It should have been wolfenstein not Doom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I nominate duck hunt. Had a cool peripheral gun you could shoot at the screen. Revolutionary.

    5. Re: It should have been wolfenstein not Doom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duck Hunt itself wasn't revolutionary, the Zapper was.

  37. Phantasy Star Online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't we get (what I believe is) the first globally successful online console game in here.

  38. DarinBob = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject "Forrest" & this -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

  39. Oregon Trail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where is Oregon Trail on the list?

    Didn't no one die of dysentery?

  40. Defender by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Defender - Still my favourite
    Asteroids.. and others like Pole Position which had first person perspective.

    These games were genre setting.

  41. Dune 2 by GoJays · · Score: 1

    This game pretty much single handily invented the Real-Time Strategy genre on PC. If it wasn't for Dune 2 game series like Command and Conquer, Warcraft and Starcraft would have never existed.

    If a game is still entertaining 20+ years after being released it is a classic in my mind. Some games released today rely so heavily on graphics that they have zero replay value and just aren't that fun to play... but hey they look amazing!!! Dune 2 doesn't have the advanced AI or controls of current RTS games yet it still plays amazingly well for a game released in 1992.

  42. Belated thought: another nominee by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Here's my forgotten nominee: Chuck Yeager's Advanced Flight Trainer. Another game that brought interest in computers to a whole range of old white men who would otherwise have stuck with fly-tying.

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    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  43. Cynicism by mrex · · Score: 1

    Is it bad that my first thought was wondering which pack of SJWs was behind this excuse to narrate the history of our "thing" and hand out trophies to their friends?

  44. Decent selections... by PortHaven · · Score: 2

    WoW was not the first, but it did something in the modern era that nothing else really did.

    It pushed it's presence into a household name. It's marketing was huge. People who didn't know the game, knew of the addiction.

    DOOM wasn't the first. I mean Wolfenstein 3D was really more original. But DOOM had a far broader acceptance and influence long term.

    ***

    I could see some others ...

    For this era, I think Angry Birds might be a good candidate. Needs a few more years to see. But it went far beyond video game and became a fad.

    TETRIS...

    Halo Series

  45. I can't contest any of those picks. by sabbede · · Score: 1

    Usually, I immediately disagree with picks for this sort of thing. Not this time.

    1. Re:I can't contest any of those picks. by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      You're not trying hard enough.

    2. Re:I can't contest any of those picks. by sabbede · · Score: 1

      Hah! Well, I guess I could try harder, but with only six slots available these seem like good choices. I really can't think of anything I could confidently say should be on that list instead of one of what's already there.

  46. Madden? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How are they going to deal with games such as Madden? A game with tremendous following but a new version every year.

    1. Re:Madden? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ignore them. Fratboy faves don't count.

  47. I really hope they add Civilization and Dune by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    Both of them were first-in-breed and easily arguably best-of-breed for years after they were introduced.

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    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
  48. My top four choices by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

    1) PONG -- the grand daddy 2) Tempest -- vector excellence 3) Pac-Man -- the king of main stream video game acceptance 4) Space Invaders -- the most time and quarters spent by me Honorable mention: Xevious: the second most time and quarters spent by me

  49. Only six games to represent more than 30 years ?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are a LOT more games that should have been inducted.

    Space Invaders, Galaga, Galaxian, Defender, Joust, Centipede, Pole Position, Dig Dug, Wizard of Wor, Star Raiders (Atari 400/800), Adventure, Zork, various Infocom text adventure games, Warcraft series (not the online one; the single-player one); Diablo series; Starcraft series; older versions of SimCity; all of the Pro Pinball titles; Stay Tooned (an obscure game with many, many subgames); Asteroids, and many many more.

    If this "Hall of Fame" can only think of six games for their initial induction, when they have so very much catching-up to do, then I question how relevant they are.

  50. Amiga's and C64's TURRICAN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turrican above all!

  51. Re: ...and the award for Lifetime Achievement goes by Xman73x · · Score: 0

    Where's Centipede?

  52. I can't compare WoW to other similar games by Grey+Geezer · · Score: 1

    because WoW is the only one I've had any interest in playing. My daughter showed it to me 10 years ago and I've been hooked ever since. World of Warcrack!

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    The USA is only 4X older than me...perspective
  53. Pang!! by 16Chapel · · Score: 1

    Yaay! I loved Pang, with the bubbles and the harpoon and the globetrotting and everything!

    Oh...

    'Pong'...

    never mind.

  54. Spacewar! from 1962 by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    What about Spacewar!?

    It's one of the most influential early interactive digital video games. Atari got started with a clone of it. (Outside of colleges, users found it confusing, but the experience gave Atari a head start.) It also influenced Asteroids, which it has a lot of resemblance to.

  55. RTS department? by Keybounce · · Score: 1

    The entire RTS section of the gaming world is missing.

    May I suggest Warcraft 1, or the predecessor Dune 2, or even the grandaddy of them all, Populous?

    Populous was actually real time _strategy_. The rest were real time _tactics_ and micromanagement.

  56. Reverse No True Scotsman by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Just Epic -

    Reversing a famous logic fallacy!

    : )

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  57. Another winner... by iq145 · · Score: 1

    E.T. better be on the list (Atari 2600)

  58. I don't think they asked any gamers... by rocket+rancher · · Score: 1

    Doom, but not Quake? Pac-man and Tetris, but not Space Invaders or Defender or Donkey Kong? WoW but not EQ or EVE? And no mention of any of the rogue-likes? Where is Civ, and Halo? I truly hope the curators are not going to commit the same kind of errors around inclusions and exclusions that rendered the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame irrelevant. You know what I'm talking about -- The Who, but not Jethro Tull? Kiss, but not Deep Purple? Pink Floyd, but not The Moody Blues, ELP or Yes?

  59. Error by PapaSurf · · Score: 1

    My first video game was Pong and I owned pretty much every console until I got a PC. According to the criteria WoW definitely shouldn't be in there and, IMO, Super Mario Bros too. WTF did WoW inspire? Orcs vs. Humans inspired Warcraft, Starcraft, WoW. We wouldn't even know Mario, Luigi, and crew if not for Donkey Kong. No Sim City? Hello...anyone remember The Sims? I get it that with so many titles to choose from the choices are difficult. This first round of inductees fails. I won't be making any plans to visit this place any time soon.