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NASA Releases Massive Climate Change Data Set

An anonymous reader writes: NASA is releasing global climate change projections to help scientists and planners better understand local and global effects of hazards. The data includes both historical measurements from around the world and simulated projections based on those measurements. "The NASA climate projections provide a detailed view of future temperature and precipitation patterns around the world at a 15.5 mile (25 kilometer) resolution, covering the time period from 1950 to 2100. The 11-terabyte dataset provides daily estimates of maximum and minimum temperatures and precipitation over the entire globe." You can download them and look through the projections yourself at NASA's Climate Model Data Services page.

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  1. Visualisation tools? by coastwalker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I see only the raw data on the link. I think that farmers would be interested in their local projections but we need tools to see them.

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  2. Is this the un"adjusted" raw data? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is this the un"adjusted" raw data, or does it have the various "adjustments" that have been applied to the historical data before in past releases?

    In my opinion, to conduct proper science on climatological measurements, the raw measurements should be available to all, to let everyone apply any "adjustments" and "corrections" they believe are necessary - and justified - taking them into account. Then each can properly check the works of their predecessors, and reach their own conclusions, without incorporating unknown distortions from previous work.

    If the maintainers of the archive believe adjustments are needed to deal with some measurement pathology, they are welcome to also release an open correction dataset or tool in parallel.

    With the low price and high speed of modern digital storage and processing devices, data set size and complexity is no excuse for withholding the raw data.

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    1. Re:Is this the un"adjusted" raw data? by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      NASA has become too political -- I am unable to trust their prediction models.

      That is complete rubbish. You might have political reasons to dislike the data, models and predictions presented by NASA, but what evidence do you have that NASA has manipulated any of their work for political reasons? How have they "become too political" when they haven't changed what they do or say? If their results match the results of the rest of the scientific community but not what the Republican party says, are they being political or are the Republicans just wrong?

      We keep hearing accusations that they (and others) fudge their figures to get more funding, but in a world where institutions that contradict the views of those in charge get defunded and disbanded, why would they mislead the public in such a suicidal manner?

    2. Re:Is this the un"adjusted" raw data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Poe's Law: If you hadn't dropped the Dr. Evil reference this would've been indistinguishable from the rantings of an actual climate change denialist.

      It's absolutely baffling - That people will actually believe that 98% of all the world's scientists are engaged in a mass conspiracy to commit the largest fraud the world has ever seen, while at the same time believing that the handful of corporations and billionaires who fund denialism are just innocently asking questions. Particuarly so since corporations have engaged in this exact same behavior before: The climate change denialism meme is absolutely indistinguishable from the tobacco industry's "no proven smoking-cancer connection" meme and the lead industry's "aw, shucks, lead is harmless!" meme: They find literally one or two sellouts to spread FUD and delay the necessary corrective action. It really was just one or two people coming up with "studies" showing that there was no connection between smoking and cancer, or that childhood lead exposure didn't cause brain damage.

      The only difference this time is that unlike tobacco (a problem you can 99% solve by yourself by simply not smoking) or TEL (which has essentially resolved itself in only 40 years, without any extensive remedial action), climate change is a ball that took a hundred years to set in motion. It's already too late to prevent some amount of damage (2*c by 2100 is basically a done deal) but the window to prevent catastrophe is starting to close. When you reach 4-6*c it's not a question of IF things like the meltdown of siberia and alaska (leading to massive methane emissions from resumed anaerobic decomposition), the meltdown of greenland, the collapse of the west antarctic ice sheet, huge methane calthrate blowouts, or the collapse of the global ocean food chain are going to happen, it's a question of HOW SOON.

  3. Does it matter? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Quite frankly, this topic has left all semblance of being in touch with reality. It does simply not matter how much proof you find for or against climate change. Neither side will give a shit about scientific data after they've invested pretty much everything and their reputation for it.

    I really, really hope the deniers are right. Sadly, I'm terribly afraid they ain't.

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  4. your opinion is worthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In my opinion, to conduct proper science on climatological measurements, the raw measurements should be available to all, to let everyone apply any "adjustments" and "corrections" they believe are necessary - and justified - taking them into account. Then each can properly check the works of their predecessors, and reach their own conclusions, without incorporating unknown distortions from previous work.

    Your uninformed, uneducated opinion is worthless because you have zero understanding of data collection.

    Do you even understand what "unadjusted data" means?

    The answer is no, you don't; you are in fact completely ignorant on the subject.

    Perhaps you need to enroll in college with an ABET accredited engineering school, take 2 years of engineering and physics courses followed by a year of instrumentation courses then you might start to understand what is going on.

    There's a reason why scientists agree on what is happening, and the republitarians deny it--Its called ignorance.

    1. Re:your opinion is worthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You read one chapter of a textbook dealing with a subject you know nothing about. You didn't understand it. Based on this, you conclude that the entire field and others related to it are wrong?

      For those who wonder why the world is such a clusterf*ck these days, look no further. This guy is not only out there, but there are millions more like him, and they're probably all breeding.

      God help us all.

  5. Re:Projections. by JackieBrown · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The ability for us to leave our planet holds great benifits for humanity.

    Plus, the technolgy created as a result of the space program has already shown benifits to humanity.

  6. Re:Yeah, it matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Meteorologists can't predict the weather accurately (most of the time) from day to day.. But we're expected to believe in the accuracy of the same climate models going out nearly a century

    BRILLIANT!!

    paradox of democracy? You mean the paradox of mob rule - or ignorance. Your choice.

  7. Re:Projections. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1, Insightful

    One of these things will benefit humanity in the near future. The other will not.

    So in other words, what you're saying is that we should look out for the near future and just do nothing at all for the far future, because right now that's basically what we're doing.

    Throwing that aside entirely, what further point are we going to drive home by NASA basically doing the same thing the EPA and NOAA are already doing? Tell people even more to reduce carbon emissions? Sounds super productive, and an amazing use of tax money.

  8. Meaningless politial release by American+Patent+Guy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    NASA is releasing global climate change projections to help scientists and planners better understand local and global effects of hazards.

    Now if they'd only make available [1] the models (as in code) used to generate those projections and [2] a supercomputer to run it on, then someone could actually use this. The historical data has been available to interested scientists for a long time: releasing it to the public on a website provides only the appearance of openness. Without the transparency of how those projections were generated, the value of them is the same as a press release from a known politically-biased entity. (Yes, I'm talking about the Obama administration, which can't stop the endless string of daily press releases likely to be contradicted a couple of Tuesdays later.)

  9. Re:Projections based on what? by silentcoder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >Considering we don't know what the temperature will be tomorrow, or whether it will rain at my house, I'm pretty sure we don't know what the climate will be in 100 years. So, not settled in my book.

    That's a ridiculously stupid claim to make. Climate is a LOT simpler than weather. Many, many orders of magnitude simpler. Why ? Because climate is an average.

    If I ask you to predict the final results of a high school student randomly chosen, odds are you'd get it wrong almost every time.
    If I give you a bunch of background information on him and his grades up until now, you'll get it right more often but almost never 100% for all subjects and there will still be outliers that surprize you.
    Predicting a kid's final results is HARD -even with lots of data.

    On the other hand - if I ask you to predict the average grade distribution for the state of New York for an entire high-school senior class and you say "It will be a normal-distribution" you will be right almost every time ! In fact, we're so confident in that outcome that if it's anything else that is - in and off itself - legally considered proof that there was large-scale cheating in the exam !

    Same principle - even when it's VERY hard to predict a single data point, predicting an AVERAGE of those data points is far easier.
    Climate is an average of weather over long periods (30 years typically). That's a LOT simpler to predict than the individual weather points that make it up.

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  10. Re:Projections. by silentcoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No war in Iraq -> No ISIS today.

    ISIS exists only because of the crapshoot that Bush created with his stupid war.

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  11. Re:Projections based on what? by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering you can't even predict whether you'll die tomorrow, it seems ridiculous to claim you'll be dead in 100 years.

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