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So Long Voicemail, Give My Regards To the Fax Machine

itwbennett writes: Yes, it was just a matter of time before voicemail, the old office relic, the technology The Guardian's Chitra Ramaswamy called "as pointless as a pigeon with a pager," finally followed the fax machine into obscurity. Last week JPMorgan Chase announced it was turning off voicemail service for tens of thousands of workers (a move that CocaCola made last December). And if Bloomberg's Ramy Inocencio has the numbers right, the cost savings are significant: JPMorgan, for example, will save $3.2 million by cutting voicemail for about 136,000. As great as this sounds, David Lazarus, writing in the LA Times, warns that customer service will suffer.

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  1. Umm, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fax machines are still widely used. They are hardly obscure.

    1. Re:Umm, what? by Mariner28 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The US mortgage industry single-handedly is keeping facsimile alive and well. Anyone who's bought a house lately can attest that they have no clue about PII in unencrypted e-mails, and think nothing of asking you to print out, sign and initial a 60 page document, then fax it back to them. And then they have the gall to complain when you reduce their 8.5 x 14 legal size documents to 8.5 x 11 because your $99 inkjet printer/scanner can't handle legal size.

      With throwback companies like that, you'd never know that the mortgage industry is the major backer behind DocuSign. Another reason why banks should issue you a digital certificate when you open an account. If the US Government can implement PKI for their own use, surely the more nimble private marketplace can do the same... /s

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    2. Re:Umm, what? by Nukenbar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      An interesting side note to this. A buddy of mine in venture capital use a fax machines all of the time to send documents back and forth because email and any "store communications" they are required to keep copies of for regulators and other review. Since the fax machines don't "store" information, at least not long term enough to count, they are not required to keep copies of info sent or received over fax.

  2. The most significant loss by Dreth · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...will be when they realize not everyone tht spelz lyk dis is a teenager.

    On the upside, they could use that as a way to lay off people too lazy to spell "what", "are", "you" and other amazingly difficult words.

    "Dear Mr. Smith,

    GTFO, lol.

    kthxbai,

    Management" ... I'm stuck on 2007, aren't I?

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    1. Re:The most significant loss by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Language bias disrupts actual communication.

      So we just make shit up and demand everyone understand it.

      Pointing out, or ripping on, language constructs that are not to your liking doesn't make you intelligent; it makes you a disruptive asshole.

      Oh. Wow. Go back and re-read that until you understand the unintended consequence of your statment.

      If you cannot get over the use or R U 31337 you need to know you are the problem, and not the writer. The intelligent people, or at least honest people, who want to engage in actual communication have more adaptive protocols and are more concerned with the content than the wrapper.

      The use of various odd symbols or semi cryptic groups of letters such as AFAIAC as a communication language is not necessarily that difficult. But it has a few strikes going against it.

      First, It doesn't enhance communication, it impedes it. A large part of the alternate spellings universe is based on trendiness, where one tries to place themselves with using a "new" version of the word they want to type. Fast evolving, yes, but never can make it into the lexicon, because that would be the ultimate disgrace for the trendsetters. The goal is to be different, not to conform to any standard.

      Second, it is jarringly imprecise. Anything other than top level communications doesn't work. I had a new employees who tried to refuse to take telephone calls, saying he only responded to text - and he was so 1337. So after taking a log time and many texts to try to communicate, I eventually told him he had a choice. Pick up the telephone when I called him, or I would walk across the building and we would talk in person, with the understanding that I wasn't going to be happy at all about having to give him special treatment. He weighed th eoptions, and like any good millenial, he didn't like interfacing with people too much, so he took the phone calls from me.

      Third - it ain't rocket science Spunky! I can easily understand or figure out what they are saying, even as words are mutated to keep up with trends. And as need be, I can write just like them - although I might be a mutation or two behind. But the converse is not necessarily true, and communication is very limited.

      Know your audience, and communicate with them in the form they understand. And I'm gleefully thinking about some 1337 versions of mathematical formulae. Now there would be some precise communications.

      TLDR: Grammar Nazi's please fuck off.

      Says the guy who's demanding that everyone must accept the alternative universe of communications via rapidly mutating misspellings based upon the real words.

      Tell me "Trend Nazi", after enough mutations, what will you do when the spelling returns to the original version? (4 b?@ What did I just write? I and translate, but you really should know and accept what I wrote, because it communicates, right?

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  3. Fax machines are "obscure"? by Scutter · · Score: 4, Informative

    Obviously, submitter doesn't work in healthcare or legal fields. As much as I'd like to see that antiquated technology finally die, it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

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  4. Voice mails are very much needed by unixisc · · Score: 4, Informative

    How do you know whether a phone number that you are calling is actually a cellphone which can accept IMs? When I call someone, I usually ask them if it's a good time to talk before getting into the conversation. If they are in a meeting, I'd prefer it if they ignored the call and sent me to their voice mail, where I could have more time to tell them exactly what you would say in the IM. Your solution would only make sense the day land lines are extinct, or that every phone has IM capability - cellular or cordless.

  5. Fax Machines gone? by fallen1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are tens of thousands of fax machines and fax systems still in use today because, despite all of our technological advances, the fax machine is still the most secure way of delivering medical and legal documents between locations in a compact time frame.

    E-mail? Right out unless you're configured for encryption and getting all the companies you deal with to agree on, utilize, and understand how the encrypt/decrypt works is ... beyond Herculean in scope. In the medical field alone that would require suppliers, doctor's offices, HME/DME companies, hospitals, hospices, quick care/walk-in style facilities, pharmacies, and so on to all have a system that worked easily that everyone agreed on. Of course, that doesn't begin to take into account the MILLIONS of patients that just might want to communicate with you via e-mail.

    The legal field is just as bad - judges, courts, lawyers, public defenders, police departments, fire departments, etc, and clients of course.

    So, yeah, technology that has supposedly died usually is alive and well and the people who think it has died just work somewhere they don't have to deal with it.

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  6. Re:Makes sense by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's this amazing etiquette change going on in America today, the idea that you need to contact someone first before you can have a real-time interaction with them. You can't just show up at someone's door, you have to call first. You can't just call, you need to text first. Someday soon, it'll be rude to text without first checking someone's Weibo status or some damn thing. Our great-grandparents would be baffled.

  7. Ridiculous by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea that voicemail is dead is asinine.

    I only have your phone number, and you don't answer (yes, I'm over 25, I actually call people on the phone), now what?

    Dumb fucking emo hipsters, the rest of the world doesn't live on Instagram.

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    1. Re:Ridiculous by unixisc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Doesn't address his issue. Andy is in a meeting when he gets a call from a customer Barbie, who he cannot answer at the moment. His schedule is pretty packed, so he may not look at the phone for the next few hours. Barbie only has his phone number and NOTHING ELSE - and doesn't even know if it's a cellphone. Let's assume here that it ain't - it's his desk phone, and he won't be at his desk until 4pm. What is Barbie to do?

      With Voice Mail, she just leaves him a message telling him what she called about, and maybe even giving him some time slots that he can call her back - after all, Barbie too probably has work other than getting her message to Andy.

      But now, the company has decided to discontinue Voice Mail for whatever reason. What does Barbie do next? Remember, she has no other way of contacting him, and she too has a packed day. Maybe she can call Caitlyn and redirect her business her way, assuming that Caitlyn too hasn't done away w/ voice mail?

  8. It's the interface, not the technology. by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Voicemail isn't really a problem. The problem is the traditional dial in interface for voicemail sucks sour frog ass. It's time consuming, irritating, badly designed and frankly from a bygone era. Dialing in to listen to a voicemail message is technology that we no longer need. Getting messages via voice is useful but the format and interface need to update to modern technology.

    I've been using a pair of systems (Google voice and one at work) which transcribe the voicemail, send it to you in an email with a recording and you can manage the calls though your computer or cell phone. I pretty much never actually listen to the voicemail because what I really care about is who called and roughly the topic of their call. Occasionally I listen to the actual message because the transcriptions usually read like a Mad-Lib but I can usually figure out the gist of the message.

    Fax machines on the other hand are just pointless. They need to go away. My company doesn't have one anymore and we don't miss it a bit.

  9. Re:I stopped using it 5 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Because prospective clients are harder and more expensive to attain than retaining current clients. Obviously, you're not in sales.

  10. Re:Coming next ... Office desk telephones by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative
    As someone who does VoIP for a living: Software VoIP clients work as well as the underlying network allows -- same as with hardware phones like the Cisco Callmanager. Normally the hardware phones are in a special VLAN, often using layer-2-priorizing (class 3 and class 5) to the next switch, and they sending their packes with DiffServ information (e.g. the signalling with AF31, and the payload packets with EF), thus they get threated in priorized queues through the network. Desktop computers on the other hand are mostly in VLANs that either ignore the DiffServ information, or even actively strip them off, and often the software VoIP client isn't installed in a way to even add DiffServ information.

    You can totally fuck off the VoIP phones by misconfiguring the switches and routers in your network, no problem, and then their voices sounds as shitty as the software client. And you can install the software client correctly, and threat the VoIP packets accordingly also in the Desktop LAN, and suddenly the voice quality will be as good as with the hardware phones.

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  11. Re:Voicemail trasnscription by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 4, Funny

    Except when the majority of people you get a voicemail from has a sufficiently thick accent that transcription leaves an indecipherable jumble of words.

    "My car hill devil cream pewter shakes dawn under noticable with. Read line on palestine." is an actual transcription of a single sentence of a voicemail I received from a client. Allow me to relay what the customer actually said in the recording:

    "My goddamn computer shut down without notice and there's a red light on the power brick." (This turned out to be from a short that developed in the client's $3 powered USB hub that he got off ebay, for those interested.)

    My voicemail gets full of these types of transcriptions daily, and I frankly find them useless. Sometime's they'll be closer to where there's enough context that makes it through to decipher the message. Unfortunately, more often than not, the transcriptions are worse than the example I used. I've used both Sprint's offering for Visual Voicemail (on promo only...it wasn't worth paying for), and Google hangouts VV. Neither are worth having.

  12. Re:It's not rude if everyone understands the proto by unixisc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But that's why Voice Mail is useful in the first place - third caller then knows that you are unavailable, and leaves a message. You get to him at the next possible opportunity

  13. Re:I stopped using it 5 years ago by pla · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Because prospective clients are harder and more expensive to attain than retaining current clients. Obviously, you're not in sales.

    If I call to buy some product or service from you, and get voicemail... I don't leave a message, I just move on to your competitors.

    Obviously, you're not in sales either. ;)

  14. Re:I stopped using it 5 years ago by unixisc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    GP seemed to be implying that the recipient of the call - who was w/o voicemail - was in sales, talking to one customer Charlie while the other customer Chris called (maybe returned a call). With voicemail, Chris just quickly tells him what he was calling about, and maybe when to get back to him.

    If Chris gets a dead end - no voice mail, he'd indeed do what you mentioned - move on to the competitors.

    Not everybody is an asshole - most people realize that when they call a person, that recipient may already be on another call, or in a meeting, or actually busy w/ something else, like lunch. Just having the ability to let him know that he called, about what and when to return the call is the minimum etiquette that can be expected. Or can't it?