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Do Robots Need Passports? Should They?

Hallie Siegel writes: With countries evolving different regulations over robotic devices, law professor Anupam Chander looks into whether robots crossing borders will need passports, and what the role of international trade law should be in regulating the flow of these devices. Fascinating discussion on what happens when technology like robots crosses over international borders, as part of this year's We Robot conference in Seattle.

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  1. No by bugs2squash · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just 3D print a new one with the right "nationality" on the other side of the border.

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    1. Re:No by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It's more likely the control software that would need a "passport", or "export controls". Specifically, robots that are designed to harm humans or do certain things that are illegal in that country (flying over military installations etc.) might not be allowed through customs.

      There has been talk of requiring drones in the US to avoid airports, military bases and certain government installations such as the White House. An imported drone might not take notice of those rules, just like an imported aircraft might not be certified to operate in US airspace.

      TFA is crap, but this is an issue that needs to be considered.

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  2. The first question by nytes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This question seems to suggest a question that may have to be answered first: Would robots be considered citizens of a country?

    If so, now we're also talking about the rights of said citizens.

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  3. Of all the stupid shit... by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is perhaps the dumbest thing that's been posted to Slashdot this week. Robot passports? Are you fucking serious?

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  4. Re:robots will need more than a passport by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Funny

    but that won't stop them.

    Not if they have a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

  5. No. by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We recently had a media case about an ex-couple suing each other over custody of the dog. In short, despite whatever personal relationship they had to the dog it was not like a child custody case, it was decided by property law. A robot is someone's property, it's no different from flying an RC plane across the border. Unless you got sentient robots granted their own rights, it's a non-issue. And if you do got sentient robots then passport control is the least of your worries.

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  6. Stop already, AI is AI robots are not AI by MrL0G1C · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is no AI that has common sense, it's a fantasy.

    And most of all:

    Robot != AI

    A robot is a machine that sits in a factory making cars.

    AI is mostly software which sits in a computer typically in a university or corporate lab.

    Please quit with calling AI robots.

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  7. Re:Will the robots need passports? by AK+Marc · · Score: 3

    But what is a passport? It's proof of citizenship. Giving robots passports would convey upon them rights and responsibilities.

    Now, requiring import duties and restrictions on munitions doesn't have any "human" implications, and was used against lots of military tech previously.

  8. Re:Will the robots need passports? by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, no kidding. Bill of lading or customs form.

    Passport, not so much.

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  9. What about unicorns and fairies? by MrL0G1C · · Score: 5, Funny

    Shouldn't we be making sure that unicorns, fairies and dragons get passports - after all, they were first.

    Why are robots jumping the queue?

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  10. whee by dissy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well of course robots need passports, silly!
    Just like my car needs its own passport to cross a border.

    In addition my lawnmower has its own drivers license, my garage door opener has a concealed carry permit, and my 50" big screen TV takes a taxicab to a shrink once a week because of a broken heart from when my ps4 left it for a 60" :P

  11. Humans SHOULDN'T need passports by tmosley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There was a time when people didn't need passports to travel between nations. They were only introduced in the 1840's and only became popular after the American Civil War. Prior to that, human beings had the right to move between nations as they desired, with only the most autocratic (ie feudal, czarist Russia) demanding that their people remain tied to the land where they were born. And indeed, most people travelled between nations without need for one until WWI, when the need for "security" overwhelmed the difficulty of enforcement between nations that were at war, or were in danger of soon going to war.

    But, of course, the world is no longer at war, is it?

    The question shouldn't be "why should robots have passports?" it is "why should humans?"

    1. Re:Humans SHOULDN'T need passports by tmosley · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Prior to the 1840's people didn't regularly cross borders"

      Yes they did. Much of Europe was composed entirely of borders. Remember Italy was a mess of states until the 1870's, same as Germany.

      "Passports were invented as a necessity to international travel opening up to the middle and lower classes."

      But that's wrong. How could requiring a document (that the individual had to PAY FOR) to enter a country POSSIBLY be cheaper than crossing without it? That doesn't even make sense. Keep in mind that borders were completely porous, and only soldiers were blocked from crossing prior to this time.

      "Because you cant imagine the chaos of hundreds of thousands of undocumented border crossings."

      You're right, that's why the EU and US have descended into chaos. It's total anarchy, I tellz ya!

      "I guarantee every solution you have to that is either going to be stupid, useless or a passport like system (or possibly all three at once)."

      Well, considering that felons can get passports from the US, and God knows where else, a more modern solution would be to simply run criminal background checks on people applying for visas (ie those staying for an extended period). Much better to have a private system (which would necessarily transcend borders and *GASP* treat everyone fairly rather than giving Westerners a golden ticket while completely fucking over the huddled masses yearning to be free). No more of these "stateless" people getting stuck in airport terminals or refugee camps. Treat people like fucking people. What a concept.

  12. Re:Will the robots need passports? by Beck_Neard · · Score: 2

    It most certainly is not. A passport is proof of nationality, not citizenship - two very different legal concepts.

    There are many people right now who, for instance, are US nationals but not citizens. They have US passports but do not have the rights of a citizen i.e. they can't vote, participate in elections, etc.

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  13. What robots need by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    I bought my Roomba it's own cat. Though now that I think about it, I haven't seen the cat since last weekend.

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  14. Re:robots will need more than a passport by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not if they have a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

    So, a dim lightbulb, in other words?

    If you broadcast in an unfocused spherical pattern, 40 watts will do no harm. In a tight beam, even 1 watt can blind you and burn skin. But they cannot light up the moon.

  15. Re:Will the robots need passports? by Beck_Neard · · Score: 2

    > But back on topic, Does my weedwacker need a passport? Does my electric razor need a passport? WTF would my robot need a passport?

    Giving robots literaly passports is silly, of course. I think the point is: do robots need special rules regulating their entry into different countries and would it be useful to use existing rules regarding human travel as a template. As robots become more sophisticated and human-like I think it's a perfectly valid question, but maybe not at the moment.

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  16. Re:Will the robots need passports? by Beck_Neard · · Score: 2

    All of that is completely irrelevant because, as I said (this is the THIRD time I'm saying this) I'm talking about international law, not any specifics that may or may not apply to US passport holders.

    Look up the definition of 'passport' in the New Oxford Companion to Law, or "Passports and Nationality in International Law" by Adam Muchmore (section IV. "The Passport in International Law").

    But please, keep on plucking that chicken. You're just making a mockery of yourself. I'm not even sure what the point is to your rants.

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