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Is BlackBerry Launching an Android Phone?

An anonymous reader writes: According to a Reuters report BlackBerry may launch an Android phone with a hardware keyboard. If true, it's a definite shift in their business model. "We don't comment on rumors and speculation, but we remain committed to the BlackBerry 10 operating system, which provides security and productivity benefits that are unmatched," said the company in an email. Google declined to comment.

113 comments

  1. Wow brilliant move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's only what consumers have been asking for since the release of Android...

    1. Re:Wow brilliant move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only what a tiny minority of consumers have been asking for since the release of Android...

      FTFY

    2. Re:Wow brilliant move by goose-incarnated · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's only what a tiny minority of consumers have been asking for since the release of Android...

      FTFY

      That "tiny minority" who wants blackberry hardware with android software is likely a multiple of the current size of blackberry users. Not that it isn't tiny compared to other android phone users, but it's probably still much much larger than the current BB userbase.

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    3. Re:Wow brilliant move by Herve5 · · Score: 1

      I agree -tiny minority, and I am not among them.
      Blackberry in the first place wasn't some phone with a keyboard. The reason I bought mines was to keep safe from Google and Apple intrusions.
      At this moment I'm using a Fairphone, whose android OS is rooted by default: well even with this flexibility and the walls and preventions it allows, I daily see how Google remains intrusive there.
      But my next tablet, ordered, is a Jolla, and probably if the next Fairphone doesn't allow Jolla OS I may well switch to Jolla phones too.
      I'd just never buy a Blackberry related to Google, even remotely.

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    4. Re: Wow brilliant move by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      That's because only a tiny bit of consumers are even aware blackberry still exists, and most of those who are aware have written them off.

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    5. Re:Wow brilliant move by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      Really? As a developer I've only been asking that they close shop. I must admit, I haven't had to deal with any of their products in a few years. Our customers use to use them a lot though and in those days the way they handled html made IE look good. I don't really want the people who designed that making any more products that I may have to one day support.

    6. Re: Wow brilliant move by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 0

      That's because only a tiny bit of consumers are even aware blackberry still exists, and most of those who are aware have written them off.

      I think most consumers (other than those from North-America) were never aware of BlackBerry existing.

      Take for example Greece (yes... i am Greek!): the founder of BlackBerry, Mike Lazaridis, is a *Greek*-Canadian who could had his phones in every Greek's hands by just saying "Greeks are not barbarians..." (or something like that, you get my point!), yet almost no Greek (AND/OR EUROPEAN) knows what a BlackBerry is, even if he (Greek/European) knows and uses the latest and most expensive phones.

      What was/is the marketing of BlackBerry outside North-America? O.K., i understand that advertising a BlackBerry using the "Greek" and "barbarian" words are not the best idea, so they could just use this: "BlackBerry... it exists!" - but no, they didn't do even that...

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    7. Re: Wow brilliant move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should make your own mobile OS that doesn't have all the faults of Android or IOS.

    8. Re:Wow brilliant move by waldozer · · Score: 1

      Original Droid had a slide out keyboard. That is why I went with it. After a month never really used the keyboard again. Thought I wanted it. In use did not need it.

    9. Re:Wow brilliant move by jbolden · · Score: 1

      The current BB userbase are people who work for companies that can't figure out how to transition. The number who want Blackberry hardware and to run Android software is low because the Q10 and Z10 both ran Android software. And of course there were quickly after the Q10 and Z10 came out Androids for it I've never met a single end user for those.

      So I doubt there is any real constituency. There may be enough people to keep a QWERTY Android alive but that's a different proposition.

    10. Re: Wow brilliant move by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      Is this the same Greece that has been on the precipice of economic disaster for last five years? I think BlackBerry is currently more viable than Greece. And BlackBerry was once huge in Europe, India, and Africa.

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    11. Re:Wow brilliant move by stephanruby · · Score: 2

      It's only what consumers have been asking for since the release of Android...

      Blackberry-like keyboards on Android phones have been around for quite a while.

      Motorola has a few. They're mostly geared toward business users, but a consumer can still find them if he looks for them.

    12. Re: Wow brilliant move by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the rest of Europe, but BlackBerries were pretty big here in the UK, both with business users and kids who liked them for texting.

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    13. Re: Wow brilliant move by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 0

      I don't know about the rest of Europe, but BlackBerries were pretty big here in the UK, both with business users and kids who liked them for texting.

      I wrote "Europe"... not "U.K."!

      Sorry about that... it's not "funny" - it is true that BlackBerries were successful in U.K., but as a British (that i guess you are) you must admit that North-America and U.K. are almost the same in terms of marketing (don't feel bad: North-America is Great Britain, you just have to get rid of those rebels - Yankees will hate me now...)

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    14. Re: Wow brilliant move by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 0

      Is this the same Greece that has been on the precipice of economic disaster for last five years?

      Yes, the same Greece - where the most expensive phones is the norm.

      I think BlackBerry is currently more viable than Greece.

      I am happy about that - BlackBerry is founded by a Greek, so you can't insult a nationalist like me!

      And BlackBerry was once huge in Europe, India, and Africa.

      BlackBerry was never "huge" in Europe (exluding U.K. as a fellow Slashdoter noted), and surely not in Africa - you link to an article that starts as: "The use of BlackBerry phones in Africa is expected to rise to 16 per cent from 6 per cent penetration for current and previous users. Mobile Africa 2015 surveyed mobile phone users in five of Africa’s major markets, namely South Africa, Nigeria, Kenya, Ghana and Uganda."

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    15. Re:Wow brilliant move by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      You're making those product names up, aren't you? I have a Furfone and a Jello tablet.

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    16. Re: Wow brilliant move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hey, you're not from Greece by any chance, are you? I don't know what made me think that. Just wondering.

    17. Re: Wow brilliant move by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Please fuck the fuck off you stupid, bigotted twat. I love Greece. It should be ashamed to have you as one of its progeny.

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    18. Re:Wow brilliant move by jbolden · · Score: 2

      You should be ashamed of yourself carrying on like you are 12 when you are old enough to have that user number.

    19. Re: Wow brilliant move by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 0

      Please fuck the fuck off you stupid, bigotted twat. I love Greece. It should be ashamed to have you as one of its progeny.

      It is called humor (even when it is bad)... try it some time, if you are not a German (oh no... now Germans will hate me also... i drive an -old- Mercedes, please have some mercy on my soul!)

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    20. Re: Wow brilliant move by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      Unless he has a job and pays taxes...

    21. Re: Wow brilliant move by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      It is not humour when it is not funny. Stop trying so hard and get the fuck over where the fuck you are from. This is called asking you to fuck off again and stop hogging threads with your egotistical Greece, Greece, Greece, me, me, me, me posts.

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    22. Re: Wow brilliant move by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure he will be back to tell us all about it. Jeez, this guy and Bennett. How low does it get?

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    23. Re: Wow brilliant move by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 0

      It is not humour when it is not funny.

      For us comedians, our jokes are always funny... it is (some of) our audience that may not have a sense of humor!

      Stop trying so hard and get the fuck over where the fuck you are from. This is called asking you to fuck off again and stop hogging threads with your egotistical Greece, Greece, Greece, me, me, me, me posts.

      Once i was in some night club in Athens with a great guy from Portugal i worked with - i was making fun of Greeks, he was making fun of Portuguese... everything was great, we had great fun with him and some Portuguese ladies in our company... until i mentioned the Euro 2004! It was held in Portugal, and Portugal was the favorite to win it (the first match was with Greece, and the final match was with Greece also) - i mentioned a funny (for us Greeks...) little saying for that happening: "dick in the premiere, dick in the final"... yes, we won them in the first match and in the final (Greece: Euro 2004 Champions!). The guy was extra friendly (as most Portuguese are usualy), and it was not like he was insulted by my remark (i just tried to inform him for our -usual- football sayings, while i am not that much of a football fun), but he loved football so much that he was in tears (really) after i reminded him that Euro...

      My point: Greece was the Euro 2004 Champions! (now Portuguese will hate me also... i am such a bad person...)

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    24. Re: Wow brilliant move by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 0

      I'm sure he will be back to tell us all about it. Jeez, this guy and Bennett. How low does it get?

      I am a Greek nationalist - i pay my taxes religiously.

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    25. Re: Wow brilliant move by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      jeez, lay off the friggin' retsina and ouzo you douchebag.

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    26. Re: Wow brilliant move by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      I have a suggestion: please post your trolling nonsense as just another troll and stop reminding everyone that you are Greek. All you are doing is bringing both trolls and Greeks into disrepute which I hope you will agree is a disservice to everyone. Now, I should have more sense than to feed you, you Greek troll. Disclaimer: I have no bias against either trolls or Greeks. I do have a bias against assholes.

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    27. Re: Wow brilliant move by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 0

      jeez, lay off the friggin' retsina and ouzo you douchebag.

      Well, since you are humorless while sober, you should try some Greek retsina or ouzo (but don't mix them, you will hate us Greeks)

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    28. Re: Wow brilliant move by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 0

      I have a suggestion: please post your trolling nonsense as just another troll and stop reminding everyone that you are Greek. All you are doing is bringing both trolls and Greeks into disrepute which I hope you will agree is a disservice to everyone. Now, I should have more sense than to feed you, you Greek troll. Disclaimer: I have no bias against either trolls or Greeks. I do have a bias against assholes.

      I have a suggestion also: next time i will mention that i am a Greek (ooops...!) don't reply like a dick telling as that you hate your asshole.

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    29. Re:Wow brilliant move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should be ashamed of yourself carrying on like you are 12 when you are old enough to have that user number.

      Probably stole the account from his dead grandpa

    30. Re:Wow brilliant move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really liked that phone. I held onto it for years rather than "upgrade" a much more powerful device without the hardware keyboard.

      I did not like it enough to make me ever want to use a blackberry tho...

    31. Re:Wow brilliant move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quit living in that imaginary world where you think you're always correct.

    32. Re: Wow brilliant move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a suggestion: please post your trolling nonsense as just another troll and stop reminding everyone that you are Greek. All you are doing is bringing both trolls and Greeks into disrepute which I hope you will agree is a disservice to everyone. Now, I should have more sense than to feed you, you Greek troll. Disclaimer: I have no bias against either trolls or Greeks. I do have a bias against assholes.

      I have a suggestion also: next time i will mention that i am a Greek (ooops...!) don't reply like a dick telling as that you hate your asshole.

      OK... no problem; fuck off you stupid, ignorant, racist, religious, cocksucking, retarded, douchebag, arsewipe, cunt.

      How's that?

    33. Re: Wow brilliant move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Greece has the most fucked up playing style when it comes to football (soccer in American English). They defend for 90 minutes + (extra-time - 30 seconds) with 11 men and kill off any joy that anyone could possibly get from watching the sport, there should be a rule banning the Greek playing style... Go and ask any non-Greek football fans, pretty much all of them would agree with what I said!

    34. Re: Wow brilliant move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh I think you're doing a pretty good job of making everyone hate Greece all by yourself

    35. Re: Wow brilliant move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh? You are his asshole? Idiot

    36. Re: Wow brilliant move by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 1

      Greece has the most fucked up playing style when it comes to football (soccer in American English). They defend for 90 minutes + (extra-time - 30 seconds) with 11 men and kill off any joy that anyone could possibly get from watching the sport, there should be a rule banning the Greek playing style... Go and ask any non-Greek football fans, pretty much all of them would agree with what I said!

      Have you seen the movie "300", about Leonidas and his Spartans defending a passage named Thermopyles against the Persians? Well, having to defend is exciting, plus gives the chance for the oppenent to attack... not our fault that we defend successfully!

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    37. Re: Wow brilliant move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I know quite a few people who have bb personal devices, not as crazy as you'd think.

    38. Re:Wow brilliant move by NoseyNick · · Score: 1

      The way they handled HTML? You mean beating EVERY other mobile browser, and almost every desktop browser (including the big 4) in all the HTML5 compatibility tests, and most of the HTML5 speed tests?

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  2. Oh what shall we do with the funny little things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fifteen birds in five fir trees,
    their feathers were fanned in a fiery breeze!
    what funny little birds, they had no wings!
    Oh what shall we do with the funny little things?
    Roast 'em alive, or stew them in a pot;
    fry them, boil them and eat them hot?

    Burn, burn tree and fern!
    Shrivel and scorch! A fizzling torch
    To light the night for our delight,
                    Ya hey!

    Bake and toast 'em, fry and roast â(TM)em!
    till beards blaze, and eyes glaze;
    till hair smells and skins crack,
    fat melts, and bones black
                      in cinders lie
                      beneath the sky!
                      So dwarves shall die,
    and light the night for our delight,
                      Ya hey!
                      Ya-harri-hey!
                      Ya hoy!

  3. No, they're not by acoustix · · Score: 2

    This rumor comes up every year. There would be no advantage to them releasing an Android device. They wouldn't get any cut of app sales, they can't control Android security (which is an absolute joke), and people still won't buy it because it's a BB.

    I'm a die hard BB fan. I've had 6 or 7 BB devices since 2004 (currently a Z10 running 10.3.1) and I'm a 10+ year BES admin. The BlackBerry 10 OS is solid, secure and fast. Give it time. A lot of time. It already runs most Android apps.

    Android is a mess. It varies wildly between phone manufacturers and it is dominated by 2 or 3 companies. Don't go down that path.

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    1. Re:No, they're not by Metabolife · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't be so crazy if Google were planning to acquire BlackBerry for their security features.

    2. Re:No, they're not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does make some sense. They could add a security layer for their apps if that's necessary. They've already ported BBM to Android. Why continue to saddle themselves with the whole R&D effort of developing their own OS, plus the added effort of making it kludgily run Andoid apps to make up for their own platform's terminal app deficiency, when they could just use Android directly, and focus their effort on polishing the hardware and services?

    3. Re:No, they're not by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1

      This rumor comes up every year. There would be no advantage to them releasing an Android device. They wouldn't get any cut of app sales, they can't control Android security (which is an absolute joke), and people still won't buy it because it's a BB.

      I'm a die hard BB fan. I've had 6 or 7 BB devices since 2004 (currently a Z10 running 10.3.1) and I'm a 10+ year BES admin. The BlackBerry 10 OS is solid, secure and fast. Give it time. A lot of time. It already runs most Android apps.

      Android is a mess. It varies wildly between phone manufacturers and it is dominated by 2 or 3 companies. Don't go down that path.

      I agree it's very unlikely they'd switch completely to Android. Obviously you're not aware they've been making a secure Android for certain customers for some time now (in partnership with Boeing).

      You're wrong about Android being unsecurable - there are several high-end phone manufacturers that build their own secure Androids, you just won't see them on Best Buy (the cheapest is probably the Black Phone).

      Sections of HQ Jock and Lockheed Martin have a strict policy on electronic devices that can be brought into secure areas - they have to be compared to detailed xray and infared images, and know weights before they are allowed in. The same data shows software and there are a number of "approved" secure Android (and iOS) builds - no Lumia though. There's some very interesting devices on those lists (and some sports car price range crap) - turns out there are many more phone manufacturers out there than what's available through your local carrier on a contract deal.

    4. Re:No, they're not by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      what are these security features that you speak of?
      seriously...

      maybe they'll do a deal with some middleware to run android apps directly and do a deal with operas app store for android(nokia X series phones got moved to using that now, since nokia canceled their android line and closed their own appstore).

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    5. Re:No, they're not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they could make money with it, BB could sell versions of their phones running Android under a different brand name.

    6. Re:No, they're not by joerdie · · Score: 1

      Android is not a mess. As usual, you get what you pay for. There are many really high quality choices from 4 or 5 manufacturers. That's a great place to be in. It breeds competition and so the hardware will get better. This is the same debate we have been having for year in the PC space. When you try to compare a free or $99 device with one that costs $700, your not comparing apples to apples.

    7. Re:No, they're not by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      This rumor comes up every year. There would be no advantage to them releasing an Android device. They wouldn't get any cut of app sales,

      So? It's not like they're making anything now from their own app store; they lose absolutely nothing by throwing away their own store (which they won't necessarily have to do anyway) and using android stores.

      they can't control Android security (which is an absolute joke),

      They can quite easily sandbox it. Android is only a subsystem after all. It already runs as a subsystem in BB 10 OS.

      and people still won't buy it because it's a BB.

      I'm a die hard BB fan. I've had 6 or 7 BB devices since 2004 (currently a Z10 running 10.3.1) and I'm a 10+ year BES admin. The BlackBerry 10 OS is solid, secure and fast. Give it time. A lot of time. It already runs most Android apps.

      I'm not a die-hard BB fan - hell, I'm not even a fan at all. I own a BB Passport, and without a doubt it has the best hardware I've ever used (phonewise, that is). Going from an iPhone6 to a BB Passport is like going from an NES to a PS4. The display is the best I've ever seen, bar none. Readable in direct sunlight, ~450 pixel density (much much higher than the iPhone6/Galaxy S6), easier to read (more chars/line). Phone has battery life out the wazoo even with GPS/Wifi/everything turned on all the time. Interface is as snappy as can be, loading times are nonexistent and the keypad can be typed on much faster than I ever managed on touchscreen keyboards

      But the software - my god! It could not possibly get worse! Poorly designed, walled-garden, NIH syndrome permeates every aspect of BB software. Just pick something, anything, and you'll find a dumb decision. For example, voice commands are recognised well even with data turned off, but are implemented stupidly. I do "call wife" and it calls my wife, but doesn't put the phone on speakerphone, hence defeating the purpose of using voice commands as a hands-free interface.

      I plug it into my PC so I can use the keyboard to type out BBMs. Yeah, their "blend" pc software uses phone data to send the BBMs *from my pc*. Apparently BBM can only be used from the device and no where else - ignore the PC's internet connection when I'm at work.... go ahead and force me to turn on phone data just to send a few bytes across the network. With phone data turned on, every other application (like email) starts using the data, even though I'm already getting my emails on the PC!

      The updates come (when on wifi). They very cleverly remove the play store I have installed (not any other apps, just the play store). I've got to reinstall the play store each time I update. Speaking of which, the BB appstore (whatever they call it) has absolutely no apps I want to use. Every single app that I installed on the phone was from the google play store or amazon app store. Even the crappy BB apps to kill time like bejeweled clones are non-free. They may have nice apps, but I'm not spending a fortune just to find out they don't work for me or my use case. With Android I download and delete so many apps that had I been paying for all of those I'd be a poor man now.

      The reason RIMS marketshare won't move from where they are now is due to the dearth of apps for their platform. Using a sandboxed android platform on BB 10 OS will change that. People want the gmail app, not the shitty "ignore gmail folders/tags" email application that they have now. People want to continue using hangouts, not try to convince their friends to use BBM. Their built-in browser is useless - if you get 990 bytes of a 1000 byte HTML file, it will simply refuse to display *anything*. This software truly is horrendous! The only way I could continue using my phone was by installing firefox.

      OTOH, the advantages the hardware brings to my life /sort of/ make up for all the BB 10 OS shortcomings. I never used to read much on the phone (to

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    8. Re:No, they're not by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      It varies wildly between phone manufacturers and it is dominated by 2 or 3 companies. Don't go down that path.

      BB10 varies even more from stock Android, so what is your point?

    9. Re:No, they're not by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      Oh, you mean this Blackphone? Just because somebody is marketing it as secure doesn't mean that it's actually a secure product.

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    10. Re:No, they're not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > ~450 pixel density (much much higher than the iPhone6/Galaxy S6),
      s6 is actually ~570 dpi.

      > easier to read (more chars/line).
      Not really...it's a square orientation means it's more chars/line while doing e-mail, but you can't turn it sideways to look at web sites, making it narrower.

    11. Re:No, they're not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TLDR version - "You kids get off my damn lawn!"

    12. Re:No, they're not by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      obscurity. So few people use them, who could be bothered?

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    13. Re:No, they're not by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      This rumor comes up every year. There would be no advantage to them releasing an Android device. They wouldn't get any cut of app sales, they can't control Android security (which is an absolute joke), and people still won't buy it because it's a BB.

      Do LG and Samsung get a cut of the app sales? No. They seem to be doing just fine compared to Blackberry.

    14. Re:No, they're not by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      The biggest problem is the lack of updates for devices. This happens across all phones, regardless of how much you pay for them. The other thing to mention is that there are some really decent phones for $100 - $200. Stuff like the Moto G and E are actually quite good devices. They lack a few features of the higher end phones, You shouldn't need to spend $700 on a phone to get a decent experience. There are phones out there that prove you don't have to. There are phones like the Lumia 635 that are $30 when it goes on sale that people find perfectly adequate. Why spend $700 on a phone when there are devices out there that will get the job done.

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    15. Re:No, they're not by acoustix · · Score: 1

      Obviously you're not aware they've been making a secure Android for certain customers for some time now (in partnership with Boeing).

      I'm aware of that. BTW, how's that going? Not well.

      You're wrong about Android being unsecurable - there are several high-end phone manufacturers that build their own secure Androids, you just won't see them on Best Buy.

      You mean like the "most secure Android device" that was cracked in less than 5 minutes?

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    16. Re:No, they're not by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1

      I'm aware of that. BTW, how's that going? Not well.

      Please share the source of your information that contradicts my experience.

      You're wrong about Android being unsecurable - there are several high-end phone manufacturers that build their own secure Androids, you just won't see them on Best Buy.

      You mean like the "most secure Android device" that was cracked in less than 5 minutes?

      I guess your lips got to sore to read that old article in full. Or maybe DSD and AFP should be hiring you - 'cause the desperately want to break that particular device in the investigation of several recent murders.

      Does cherry picking pay well?

    17. Re:No, they're not by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1

      Oh, you mean this Blackphone? Just because somebody is marketing it as secure doesn't mean that it's actually a secure product.

      Nothing is totally secure. Police are upset that the software (Finn Fisher?) they purchased to spy on standard Android doesn't work on the Black Phone - and no, it's not as secure as the stock Blackberry (which isn't that secure anyway).

  4. QNX was a stupid decision by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    From the moment I heard that they were going with QNX I knew that they were making a massive mistake. But when I said this all kinds of people jumped on me and got all buthurt defending QNX. I thought that Android was the way to go from the moment iPhone started to eat their lunch. My main problems with QNX were that the only person that I knew who loved it was a complete tool. Plus why not do effectively what Apple did when they adopted BSD as the core. Pick something that works and run with it. Apple had their old creaky OS, had just failed doing a deal with another OS company and then just jumped into BSD. That gave them magical powers such as being able to easily make the leap to Intel and ARM or whatever they want. Android would provide the same magic power of portability.

    But I still think that BB doesn't know what their customers really want. They are still trying to please the IT departments, the telcos, and their enterprise customers. They should instead be trying to win over the individual even if that individual happens to be in the enterprise. So don't allow things like security profiles where the IT department can effectively trash the phone. Otherwise the modern executive will go buy an iPhone/Android and not put up with that crap.

    Then there are other features that they should offer by default such as massive batteries. The BB users that I know would happily add a few mm to triple or more their battery life. I know there are addons but why not just make them a default option. BB people are on the road and can get fired or lose business if their phone goes dark. Plus screw all the touch screen BBs. People buy them for their keyboards. As long as the font is large enough for blind boomers the phone will sell in droves.

    1. Re:QNX was a stupid decision by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      Apple had their old creaky OS, had just failed doing a deal with another OS company and then just jumped into BSD.

      Huh?

      Around '96 Apple was internally working on a new OS that was a failure and bought NeXT started by this guy you may have heard of named Steve Jobs. They then ported NeXT to PPC, replaced Display Postscript with Quartz, added a few classic MacOS technologies and the Carbon API to make developing apps compatible with OS X and classic Mac OS.

      OS X. Is based on the internally written NuKernal with a BSD user level and the Next API's.

    2. Re:QNX was a stupid decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      QNX isn't what killed blackberry, it was the fact that they spent two years focusing on building a tablet and stopped iterating their phones. They got completely left in the dust by Apple and Android, to the point that when they released the tablet, nobody wanted their platform any more. If they'd just kept releasing improved phones, they would have done a whole lot better.

    3. Re:QNX was a stupid decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically NextStep was already ported to PPC about the time when NeXT decided to abandon hardware entirely, and it or its successor OpenStep was already running on something like 4 or 5 different architectures (68k, SPARC, HP PA-RISC, Alpha (?), Intel), so any credit for making the OS cross-platform also pre-dates Apple. Jobs was smart enough to maintain that cross-platform ability internally when he returned to Apple.

      You're quite right that Apple didn't jump into a BSD-style implementation, they bought one, and grandparent's original point is correct that Apple picked something that already worked and ran with it, albeit with the tweaks that you mention.

      BB picking Android is also something they could have done, but I suspect they were worried about differentiating their product in that crowded market. A challenge, but probably better than betting the farm on their own OS and hoping to sell the same idea (that it's better). They could have tried something like promoting the idea theirs was the best/most secure Android experience or some other marketing spin. Or promoting the idea of choice of a physical keyboard.

    4. Re:QNX was a stupid decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "OS X. Is based on the internally written NuKernal with a BSD user level and the Next API's"

      No, OSX is based on the internally written XNU kernel which is based on the Mach kernel.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU

    5. Re:QNX was a stupid decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      QNX is used for embedded systems. It's used in many industries. And Blackberry now owns it. It is a highly stable OS. So it saved time from having to actually write a new OS. And given the fact that it is certified for critical systems (nuclear power plants, your car engine, planes, etc), it was probably a short path to add any security layers that were needed. Toss on a GUI and you get BB10.

      For development, we actually get an emulator that emulates actual phone hardware.

      Blackberry knows more about what their customers want than you. You think they should target consumers. AS a CEO, you have to look at it rationally. most industries are a duopoly. Breaking iOS and Android is a near impossible task. Chen is right now going after enterprise customers (health care and finance specifically). This is 100% the right move.

      I feel sorry for people that use iPhones for work. They are a tremendous time waster thanks to things like a crappy keyboard. You can flat out do most things faster on a Blackberry. I am a consumer and love my Z10. I can't fathom how people put up with Android and iOS when they use it primarily as a communication tool. Whenever I see someone navigation an Android (the typical case in my peers), I feel like I am watching someone drive down the highway in reverse and saying how driving backwards at 75 mph is the way to go.

      For communications which I use my phone for ...... Blackberry wins hands down. And I get about 90% of all the android apps thanks to the Amazon store. Truth is, I have everything I need on my phone using apps I got for free in the Blackberry store. The only thing I paid for was a stock tracking app.

      Still not sold? Go read up on Blackberry Blend. It tethers to your phone wirelessly even if it is on the other side of the world and gives you a lot of the functionality (if not all) that you need to do work.

      What are you talking about with batteries? My Z10 which is two years old can go 24 hours on a charge mostly because the OS (which you say sucks) is so damned efficient. People are reporting that the new Passport can go 24-48 hours on a charge. Meanwhile all the iPhone users are stuck hugging walls (to charge their phone while using it)

    6. Re:QNX was a stupid decision by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Plus why not do effectively what Apple did when they adopted BSD as the core. Pick something that works and run with it.

      You are contradicting themselves that's what they did do with QNX. They had a core that worked well. The core i.e. low level OS was never the problem.

      But I still think that BB doesn't know what their customers really want. They are still trying to please the IT departments, the telcos, and their enterprise customers.

      Enterprise and government are their customers. As for trying to please ... that was 2 years ago now they are trying to find any niche at all.

      So don't allow things like security profiles where the IT department can effectively trash the phone.

      They've had this for many years. Far and away the best home / work separation until probably last year and even then only for those customers who buy Good.

      . People buy them for their keyboards. As long as the font is large enough for blind boomers the phone will sell in droves.

      That was the Q10 / Q5. They didn't sell in droves. Now of course they have the Wide and the Blackberry Classic and... and they don't sell in droves.

    7. Re:QNX was a stupid decision by Schnapple · · Score: 1

      Huh?

      Around '96 Apple was internally working on a new OS that was a failure and bought NeXT started by this guy you may have heard of named Steve Jobs.

      He's referring to the fact that Apple had, at one point, considered buying Be, Inc. and using BeOS as the foundation for what would become OS X. However, Jean-Louis Gassée wanted too much money, made some shitty comments in the press about sticking it to Apple, and Apple decided to buy NeXT instead.

    8. Re:QNX was a stupid decision by Sebby · · Score: 1
      The patent office is the problem.

      Steve Gibson agrees with me.

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    9. Re:QNX was a stupid decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I knew BB was dead the moment the iphone came out.

      Microsoft, having defeated Palm, was asleep at the wheel and doing what they do when they abandon a product line. (Despite having near 90% of the early smartphone market they just sat and made dumb jokes when the iphone launched)

      People accuse me of stating the obvious now but holy shit did I catch flack back then for even suggesting that BB would anything rule the message and business oriented portable market for now and all eternity. (Go look back in time on slashdot yourself and see a whoooole lot of BB worshiping apology)

      They very day iOS got activesync support was the day BB started to die. I right after the update showed my co-worker. "Hey look. I can get pushed email from the exchange server and I don't need to tie up a license on the BES box" - The response was literal cussing and beratement about using my 'toy' phone for 'work' email.

      Look who's laughing now.

    10. Re:QNX was a stupid decision by lord_mike · · Score: 1

      Blackberry was always crap, but they were ingrained in business due to their encryption and email integration. I figured they'd stick around for awhile since businesses never change their infrastructure radically unless they have no choice. In this case, the employees forced the choice and apple decided to work with them, so blackberry went down. The only thing good about blackberry hardware or software was the keyboard, so it makes sense they'd make an android phone with that built in. I'd strongly consider buying one, assuming the hardware was decent, since I really miss having a hardware keyboard on my phone like I did on my original droid. There is a market for this kind of phone, and it just might make blackberry somewhat more solvent as a result.

    11. Re:QNX was a stupid decision by JackieBrown · · Score: 0

      I knew BB was dead the moment the iphone came out

      It must feel good to be right about one thing....

    12. Re:QNX was a stupid decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the keyboard is just a personal preference. I've never liked small keyboards, I didn't even like the small keyboard you sometime had on those small laptops, I simply could not work on such a laptop. But I really hated the ultra small keyboards on Nokia and BB phones. And I was not alone who felt that way. I had many colleagues who refused to do extensive work on BB. The company back than tried to enforce a work flow centred around BB phones when we had to work on location, but I was a lot faster just asking to use a computer with internet access at my location than having to struggle with this minuscule keyboard.

      Of course some other people liked the keyboard and are still looking back at the 'good old days', but apparently the majority in the market has decided they felt the same way as I did.

    13. Re:QNX was a stupid decision by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

      I recently read an article where blackberry's market share has stabilized. At 0.5%. While I would love to own a company with 0.5% market share of such a vast market that simply doesn't produce enough revenue to keep developing quality products.

      So while all your arguments seem sound the simple fact is that the people have spoken. All the large organizations that I deal with that had mono-deals with BB for all their employees have abandoned those deals because their employees yelled that BB was basically employee abuse. Most of these companies will still give their employees a BB if they want one and there are the die hards who do.

      But back to my main argument. An interesting factoid is that I have seen senior managers be issued a BB, take out the SIM and put it into a BB that they bought. This go get away from their IT department's disabling their phone.

      The problem is that BB now probably almost 100% relies upon assholes for customers and to make a good phone they would have to screw that last 0.5% while waiting for some of the other 99% to realize that the phone wasn't abusive anymore.

  5. Change or die by rmdingler · · Score: 1
    One of the most difficult things to get your head around at a proud, faltering, legacy company is that the things that use to work for you are no longer selling. The idea of an OS that is more secure than iOS or Android has some appeal in circles such as this, but market share is driven by the Muggles.

    Have an open mind. Embrace a new strategy. The Blackberry OS was 1% of market share in 2014. (Android >75%)

    Take care of your greatest remaining asset: your people. That priority can be best accomplished with a return to solvency.

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    1. Re:Change or die by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      A 1% market share of a huge global cell phone market still means they sell a lot of phones. They sold 8 million phones in 2014. That's nothing to laugh at. There are companies who are very profitable who wish they could sell 1/10 as many units. What BlackBerry did wrong was to simply hire too many people. They had over 19000 employees when they were popular. They are now around 4000 employees. That is still too many people. It should not take that many people to do what they do. They could remain profitable and still put out a good product if they just learned to focus on what they do best, and get rid of all the employees they don't need.

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    2. Re:Change or die by danomac · · Score: 1

      Sure, they'll fire a bunch of staff, but management will somehow miraculously come out unscathed.

    3. Re:Change or die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it is a shame they bought QNX. I always kind of liked that OS. Now it is bought by BB. What will happen to this OS when BB goes bankrupt? Will it go the way of Amiga OS or Be OS? Or can it survive as an independent company?

  6. Market Niche Exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever tried finding a phone with decent specs AND a physical keyboard? Protip: They don't really exist! If I could get something with the specs of a One Plus One (for example) as a slider model, I would have already purchased two of them and I believe many other like me would as well!

    1. Re:Market Niche Exists by xeno · · Score: 2

      Blackberry Passport. I got one last week. Holy shit, this is a great phone. Specs very close to the 1+One. Have a look.

      Runs android 4.x alongside QNX, runs BB apps, runs Android apps, **sandboxes** the Android apps for better security than typical Samsung implementation. It took me two tries to get standard Google Play services installed, and now it handles both personal and work google accounts cleanly and separately. All the amusements are there, and all the business stuff is there too.

      And it has a sweet physical keyboard with a capacitive surface, so I can gesture on the kbd without obscuring what's on that gorgeous 1440x1440 screen.
      The weird hipster factor is pretty high on the Passport, but it's so damn functional.

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  7. Re:You ins!ensixtive clod? by bleys2112 · · Score: 1

    wat?

  8. It's part of the next phase in the plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Stabalize
    2) Focus on enterprise

    Now:
    3) Growth and possibly go after consumer.
    Of course this makes sense. They'll still have BB10 for the business side where security matters. They OS is in more than phones. It's in 50%+ of all new cars. It's here to stay and they have to maintain it.

  9. Almost as Obsolete as ./ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am headed over the Register...

  10. Blackberry 10 OS pretty awesome, actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would be a real shame.

    I know I'm in the tiny minority, but I actually own a device with the Blackberry 10 OS and it's pretty frickin' awesome actually. It can already run Android apps through an emulation layer that ships on top of the Blackberry OS.

    You guys might enjoy mocking Blackberry for its irrelevance in the US marketplace, but I wonder how many of you have actually used the latest OS. It would be a real shame to see this solid tech die.

    1. Re:Blackberry 10 OS pretty awesome, actually by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      as someone who had a Palm Pre, and really liked webOS, I can understand that point of view =/

      I'll still take a physical keyboard over an onscreen one any day of the week.

  11. Re:You ins!ensixtive clod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make the company solvent. Free Cash FLow Positive is a term for this. They attained this goal.

    Now they can work on growth. You can bleed cash and try to defeat iOS or Android.

    You need to stabilize the company. You do that by focusing on your core competencies and cutting costs.

    Then you work on a growth strategy. Welcome to summer 2015. They are starting to work towards the growth strategy. And that may or may not include Android.

  12. If true... by pruedz · · Score: 0

    Say that is "Too Late" is not enough.

  13. This could work well for them by countach44 · · Score: 2

    I think people would be surprised how many users still want a decent android phone with a keyboard. I still have my droid4. It is not uncommon for me to get comments from strangers like "wow, I wish I still had a phone like that" whenever I'm typing away. Good on BlackBerry if they can pull it off, I know I'm not alone in hoping this isn't a rumor.

    1. Re:This could work well for them by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      The problem is that most general users that long for a keyboard phone are the type that also want a phone that "is just a phone."

      I'm not saying you are like that, but I bet half those who come up to you are missing the old days where phones were simple.

      I'd be willing to bet half of the remaining half simply feel that way out of nostigla but would never actually buy or want a phone like that.

    2. Re:This could work well for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1

      I've been saying for years someone needs to marry the Samsung Galaxy Sx with a Nokia E72 keyboard.

  14. My feeling on this by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    ...is that if Blackberry pulls it off, Apple should also do the same thing and release an Android phone. Then Google should make their next Nexus phone have Windows 10. And the Microsoft version of Nokia should release a webOS phone too.

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    1. Re:My feeling on this by vivek7006 · · Score: 2

      ...is that if Blackberry pulls it off, Apple should also do the same thing and release an Android phone. Then Google should make their next Nexus phone have Windows 10. And the Microsoft version of Nokia should release a webOS phone too.

      And Intel should release a MeeGo phone

    2. Re:My feeling on this by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      I would *totally* buy a Nokia WebOS phone ...

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  15. Blackberry going Android? lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't Blackberry typically a "businessman's" phone? I don't know anyone that has a cell phone that has one of these....The last person I knew worked IT and it was a company issued phone, and that was years ago. But, hey why not....they may need to touch base with the "normal" folks now.

    http://americans.org/2015/06/12/blackberry-is-going-to-start-putting-android-on-its-awesome-smartphones/

  16. Hardware keyboards are overrated by linuxguy · · Score: 2

    I have owned Blackberry devices in the past and currently own an Android phone. I have always loved hardware keyboards and for the longest time insisted on phones with hardware keyboards including Android phones. However, over time, I have observed that software keyboards have improved a lot. And I mean a lot. To the point that I no longer wish to dedicate precious real estate on my phone to a hardware keyboard.

    Hardware keyboard is an idea that is now dead on mobile phones. It will never (I usually advise my kids to never say never but I am making an exception here) be popular on mobile phones again. It takes too much space and many can type faster on a software keyboard. Speech recognition function has also come a long way. And usually, for me, that is the fastest way to enter text.

    1. Re:Hardware keyboards are overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It might be faster for text where you can use predictive methods, but for SSH'ing into a server and doing some work, a hardware keyboard is still superior. I'm going to really miss my keyboard phone when it dies and there's no replacement.

    2. Re:Hardware keyboards are overrated by space_jake · · Score: 1

      The only useful feature I miss from a hw keyboard is getting the damn cursor in the right place.

    3. Re:Hardware keyboards are overrated by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      Palm (PalmOS, not WebOS) did this very well (and the way they did it would be trivial to copy).

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    4. Re:Hardware keyboards are overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why not use a tablet instead of a laptop for work? Exactly. Shut up.

    5. Re:Hardware keyboards are overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think physical keyboards will be as popular as keyboardless phones but they still have a place in the market. For texting the on screen keyboards are pretty good, and with a little practice you can type just as fast if not faster on them. But I use my phone for a lot more than texting. The onscreen keyboard takes up too much real estate on my screen when I am entering data in the web browser or when I am remotely connected to a computer. Since I don't want a 6 or 7 inch phone, I chose a phone with a slide out keyboard. The Droid 4 fits all my current needs, but I am not sure what phone to get when it eventually dies because there aren't many good ones with physical keyboards.

  17. Actually... by brunes69 · · Score: 2

    Actually, you're dead wrong, except for the fact that Blackberry is probably way too late for this to make a difference.

    Blackberry should have released an Android phone YEARS ago instead of dumping tons of money into BBOS 10. If they would have instead spent that money on Android by adding working full device crypto and out of the box BES support, they would have dominated the enterprise market and also been able to move into consumer by touting the privacy features.

    Instead, they wasted all their time and resources writing this other OS that no one wants to write apps for and implementing an Android emulator on top of it because it is the only way to get anything decent. It was a horrible, stupid move from beginning to end.

    And before you say "hindsight is 20/20", I have been saying Blackberry should move to Android since 2011.

  18. Re:Oh what shall we do with the funny little thing by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

    Move over Golden Girls, a new favorite spam troll is in town.

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  19. Re:Oh what shall we do with the funny little thing by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    Well at least it is Friday, so the timing is right.

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  20. Where Have I read this before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > which provides security and productivity benefits that are unmatched

    "Apples just don't get viruses!"

    Yeah... until the user base grows enough for it to be profitable, that is. TempleOS doesn't get viruses either!

  21. The Rumor is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I won't say much more than that, except that I've seen the prototype.

  22. No, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... I hear Ryan Seacrest tried to launch an Blackberry Keyboard on iOS. Because you know, no one wants a Blackberry! ROFL. Even Scott McNealy has one. Because everything else is still a toy.

  23. A Passport with Android 5.x would be pretty cool. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Just saying.

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  24. Landscape slider or GTFO! by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 1

    If BB released a landscape slider phone running BB10, I'd be interested! BB10 intrigues me, but the hardware they've released so far doesn't; hard to justify a downgrade from an LG G2 just for an different OS. I want a keyboard, but not that badly.

    If BB released a landscape slider phone running Android 5.x, I'd be even more interested! We need some hardware differentiation between OEMs. Right now, all Android phones are rectangular slabs with touchscreens. Whoop-de-doo! Bring back the hardware innovation, OEMs! You've stagnated. When 2-3 generations of phones are released with barely any changes in the design or the hardware, you know things are going downhill.

    The next OEM to release a landscape slider with at least flagship-1 internal hardware (ie Snapdragon S801/S805 level) gets my business.

  25. Google Play certified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's far more likely that they'll just be getting Google Play certification so that more native Android apps can run on their devices and they can use the Google Play store as a storefront for apps.

  26. I'd be very surprised by ggendel · · Score: 1

    I hung onto my WebOS Pre 3 phone until I could no longer find any more Verizon devices on ebay (the last one I cannabilized two broken ones into one working one). For the last few years I was trying to find a suitable replacement. I tried iOS, Android, and Windows phones but none could match the elegance of WebOS (yes, I know that all stole many features from it over the years). I ended up with a BB10 device which provides a well thought out design. It feels like it might be what WebOS would be if development didn't stop. It's "Just Type" implementation is superb. BB10 seems to be the same whipping boy in the media that helped kill WebOS.

    Personally, I think this is a rumor due to the "Knox" security created by Blackberry for Samsung Android phones. How many times has the media reported falsely that Blackberry is about to be bought by Samsung, Microsoft, etc. John Chen has shown vision and grace in dealing with the detractors, even when they take things he says out of context and make him look like he's giving up on Blackberry. He's not afraid to push the envelope on phone designs, just look at the Passport. I'm hoping that the slider keyboard phone that comes out this year will be a Pre 3 killer and available on Verizon. It may be enough for me to leave Verizon if their customer sales and support bad-mouth it like they always do for anything that isn't Android or Apple.

    If you like your Android or Apple phone then fine, but don't bash something just because it's not mainstream. I can guarantee that Blackberry phone and BB10 features are already being copied as we speak.

  27. hardware keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of my phones had hardware keyboard, my favorite was Nokia E7. Now that Nokia sold their mobile phone production to MS I don't think there will be again anything similar... Although I would be interested in a BB android phone with hardware keyboard I don't think it will ever be as good as the Nokia E7 was.

  28. Qt5... not! by paugq · · Score: 2

    They are not committed to BlackBerry 10. Proof is they stopped development in Qt5 for BBX half a year ago. They are stuck with Qt4, which is out-of-support already. Smells bad.