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Glen Greenwald: Don't Trust Anonymous Anti-Snowden Claims

Glen Greenwald casts a scathing look at the claims (such as by the Sunday Times) that Edward Snowden's leaked information had been cracked by Russian and Chinese spy agencies. Greenwald compares Snowden to some other public figures against whom underhanded tactics were employed by the U.S. government. A slice: There’s an anonymously made claim that Russia and China “cracked the top-secret cache of files” from Snowden’s, but there is literally zero evidence for that claim. These hidden officials also claim that American and British agents were unmasked and had to be rescued, but not a single one is identified. There is speculation that Russia and China learned things from obtaining the Snowden files, but how could these officials possibly know that, particularly since other government officials are constantly accusing both countries of successfully hacking sensitive government databases?

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  1. Logic need not apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone who has been following these Snowden-related news already knew the US government officials lied, lied, and lied repeatedly, lied to the world, lied to their own people, lied to their Congress, all without any consequences.

    Anyone who still believed them would need to have zero capability in logical thinking, so what's the point in pointing out flaws in the logic of these statements?

  2. But we know that USA is the *GOOD GUY* by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After all, China and Russia are supposed to be the bad dude, and Snowden is supposed to be a traitor

    Who are us to argue with the mighty Uncle Sam?

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    1. Re:But we know that USA is the *GOOD GUY* by nadaou · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > If you love China so much, then go live there.

      That's such a classically stupid cliche of a line, you should be embarrassed to use it.

      > You're goddamn right we are the good guys.

      but even the greatest morons are right sometimes.

      GP doesn't show much more intelligence. God damn right the USA with its many many flaws is still worlds a better place to be than the mafia state which is Putin's Russia or the Orwellian disco that is modern capitalist China. Humans are notoriously bad at weighing dichotomy but seriously get a grip. Goldmans may be whispering in the ear of the USA government but at least they aren't actively selling the organs of the new age religioners on the open market the way the Chinese are or blatantly executing New York Times columnists on the streets the way the Russians are doing to their own.

      The fact that the foundations of the USA are philosophically strong is precisely the reason that the good parts of the USA are worth fighting for. At present the US government may be a bit fucked up and 0wned, but at its core the US Constitution is still a one of humanity's greatest intellectual achievements and worth fighting for tooth and nail.

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    2. Re:But we know that USA is the *GOOD GUY* by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're goddamn right we are the good guys.

      False. We're better to our citizens, but we do more harm to the world at large. Maybe that's only because we have more global power, and not because they're better people; in fact, I suspect that is precisely the case. But what does happen here is also not acceptable. I'd rather be boiled slowly than quickly, I might find a way out of the pot, but I'd rather not be boiled at all.

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  3. So let's get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The encryption designed, implemented and deployed by the world's leading experts in the field was broken in a couple of years (and this occurred simultaneously in two other countries).

    Yet crooks and criminals are using technology so advanced that GCHQ, NSA, .... cannot break it and governments start proposing ill thought through and half-baked laws about use of encryption and ask for back doors.

    EITHER they were all encrypted with the same details and 'rubber hose' cryptanalysis was used [which would be both unlikely and a massive breach of operating procedures]
    OR our beloved leaders are being at best misguided and/or disingenuous or at worst dissembling schemers [aka 'cock-up vs conspiracy']

  4. Glen Greenwald on Snowden claims. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If there was any danger to British Agents why were they not recalled a year ago when that claim was first made?Also, the whole argument is an attempt to justify the " Snoopers Charter ", as an excuse to spy on British Citizens . They want our information unencrypted because they say they can't do it themselves, yet Russia and China can? It is either a lie or an admission of complete irresponsibility and incompetance on behalf of Western Security.They are saying GCHQ and M.I.6. are unfit for purpose.What an admission. We should also remember that China would not give Snowden asylum,-why then would they want to unencrypt his files?Russia, likewise allowed asylum for a limited period with reluctance.
    Is anyone buying this BS?

  5. Re:Why wouldnt they have been hacked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > It's absolutely predictable that those files would be cracked, why is that not more believable?

    Cracking one of current strong cyphers is hella bigger news than some spying operations having to be terminated.

    "Well, we had to move a few of our agents. Oh, and also, whole Internet needs to be rebuilt, and everything you did over HTTPS in the past and we sucked off the net will be readable in a year, after we plug in more computers".

    PS: Not to mention the small detail that russkies weren't even supposed to have the encrypted files.

  6. Secrecy by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Russia and/or China would have decrypted messages, they would most certainly not tell the rest of the world.
    Similarly, they wouldn't publish it if they managed to locate enemy spies.
    If somehow, this DID happen, the US government would most certainly not publish the fact that they knew.

    Information is valuable.
    Information the enemy thinks you don't have is invaluable.

    The fact that this is published tells me it's most likely not true.

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    1. Re:Secrecy by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fact that this is published tells me it's most likely not true.

      They lost me at "may have prevented a nuclear war". Transparent scaremongering.

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  7. Re:Snowden by radio4fan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People defending him seem to think that China and Russia at bastions of freedom

    What's the weather like on your planet?

    People expect the kind of shit the government is pulling from Russia and China, they just don't want it from countries which are actually *supposed* to be bastions of freedom.

  8. Other news agencies by sshir · · Score: 5, Interesting

    By the way, that report was not picked up by most news agencies. BBC had it on their front page but since removed it. It seems that they smell a rat too.

  9. Re:Valerie Plame by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Exactly. Whenever the issue of "damage from leaks" comes up, somebody will say "Ya know, people died because of Manning." And I'll concede that Manning's leaks were far less discriminate than Snowden's, with a much greater potential to compromise a solider in the field.

    But name one. Do you honestly believe that if brave, brave Private Schmuckatelli had died to some nefarious sneak attack by The Enemy, betrayed by Manning, it would not be plastered all over Fox and CNN? We'd have tributes, pictures of his wife and kids and dog, interviews with his parents and everybody who ever knew him, lamenting over the loss of Private Schmuckatelli, press conferences, talking heads discussing whether Manning should get death or merely life in prison for his criminal responsibility in this matter. There is zero chance the government would not have exploited that death for maximum political gain.

    But it never happened. Not once. Because nobody, nobody, not one person, died because of Manning's or Snowden's leaks. Won't stop them from claiming people did, though.

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