Bethesda Unveils New Doom Game, Announces Dishonored 2

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Bethesda Unveils New Doom Game, Announces Dishonored 2

Posted by Soulskill on Monday June 15, 2015 @01:47AM from the knee-deep-in-the-sequels dept.

An anonymous reader writes: Bethesda kicked off this year's E3 expo by unveiling the new Doom game they've been working on and announcing a sequel to the popular fantasy action-adventure game Dishonored. They've posted a gory trailer (YouTube) for Doom, and shared several minutes of gameplay footage as well. The game is due out in Spring 2016 for Xbox One, PS4, and PCs, and it will include an editor that will let players make new maps and gameplay modes. Dishonored 2 has a trailer as well, though fewer details have been shared about the game. Bethesda also added details to their recent announcement of Fallout 4. It's been given a release date of November 10th (2015), and they did a live demo on stage at E3 (YouTube) with a bunch of game footage.

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Poor summary by Adriax · 2015-06-15 01:52 · Score: 2, Insightful

How is the Fallout 4 stuff a minor footnote at the end?
I'd hazard a guess most of us watching the live stream just tuned in for the Fallout stuff.

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1. Re:Poor summary by bjwest · 2015-06-15 02:09 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  It's a summary of an article, and two sentences at the end of a five sentence paragraph is not a minor footnote.
  Perhaps if you'd get over the idea that what's the most important to you is not what's the most important to others, you might consider that they may have left the best for last to get you to read the whole summary?
  
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2. Re:Poor summary by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 02:25 · Score: 0
  
  Based on the comment modding, I'd say that perhaps what is important to the GP is important to most slashdotters (except, apparently, yourself).
3. Re:Poor summary by nine-times · 2015-06-15 02:40 · Score: 1
  
  On the other hand, I feel like I've seen a flood of Fallout 4 hype, so much so that I completely missed that Dishonored 2 was announced. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the Fallout series, but I don't mind that there's at least some attention paid to news other than Fallout 4.
4. Re:Poor summary by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · 2015-06-15 02:51 · Score: 1
  
  It's a matter of tradition for summaries to be misleading and/or confusing!
  
  In seriousness, though, Fallout4, while arguably the most important, was also the one that everyone knew most about going in. Dishonored 2 was only revealed by a slip of the mic just recently. Additional details were provided today about Fallout 4; but it wasn't a reveal.
5. Re:Poor summary by Adriax · 2015-06-15 02:55 · Score: 1
  
  Sheer word space. The two Fallout sentences are barely one quarter the actual space of the summary. Plus the title doesn't even mention it.
  
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6. Re:Poor summary by bjwest · 2015-06-15 03:23 · Score: 1
  
  Still doesn't make it a footnote, and since Fallout isn't even mentioned in the title, it could've been left out of the summary altogether.
  I haven't been following E3, but I knew Fallout 4 was going to be announced last week. This is the first I've heard of Doom and Dishonored 2. New news should be mentioned first.
  
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7. Re:Poor summary by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 03:34 · Score: 0
  
  I'd second that hazarded guess. The Fallout stuff was better than most of their other offerings around that same time. Dishonored was not as good as it could have been on several fronts.
8. Re:Poor summary by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 04:07 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah, 4 is a very big number.
9. Re:Poor summary by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 04:27 · Score: 0, Insightful
  
  Because most people are more psyched about Doom. Fallout was a great series, until they got to Fallout 3 and New Vegas, which were just massive, boring and lazy disappointments. I have no reason to believe Fallout 4 will be any better
10. Re:Poor summary by dissy · 2015-06-15 05:22 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  The games listed in the summary are in the exact same order as Bethesda announced them at E3:
  Doom first, Dishonored second, Fallout 4 last.
  The same order as the announcement makes quite a lot of sense if you are trying to keep your own biases out of things.
  They are also coincidentally in alphabetical order.
  As this is an E3 announcement panel, it would also not be fair to only speak of Fallout 4 and ignore the other games, as doing so would make it a Fallout announcement instead of an E3/Bethesda one.
11. Re:Poor summary by donscarletti · 2015-06-15 05:37 · Score: 1
  
  Perhaps if you'd get over the idea that what's the most important to you is not what's the most important to others, you might consider that they may have left the best for last to get you to read the whole summary?
  I played every single Doom, including the level packs, but only played Fallout 3, without the expansions and not even New Vegas.
  That said, objectively, Fallout 4 is much more interesting than whatever it is that they are branding as "Doom". Fallout seems to be heading in a good direction, that makes people excited. Doom needs to prove itself again.
  
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12. Re:Poor summary by netsavior · 2015-06-15 06:15 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah but in a summary of the Oscars, you list "Best Picture" (last of the night) FIRST, not "Most improved key-grip in a documentary less than 5 minutes", or whatever the first Oscar of the night is.
13. Re:Poor summary by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 06:19 · Score: 0
  
  Perhaps if you'd get over the idea that what's the most important to you is not what's the most important to others, you might consider that they may have left the best for last to get you to read the whole summary?
  The conclusion does not follow the reasoning, nor does it mean that Adriax is ethically inferior. In fact most would say that being manipulative by choosing to post the most popular topic* last in attempt to force people to read about games they are probably not interested in.
  *Lets be realistic here, look around gaming websites. It will be Fallout this and Fallout that for weeks.
14. Re:Poor summary by rogoshen1 · 2015-06-15 06:21 · Score: 2
  
  New Vegas was fantastic btw. In particular the desert landscape just seems to lend itself more to a post apocalyptic vibe than DC. (insert snarky joke about fallout 3 improving DC over it's current state.).
  It just seemed to be written at an higher quality, especially in the humor department.
15. Re: Poor summary by echnaton192 · 2015-06-15 06:33 · Score: 1
  
  +1
16. Re:Poor summary by Holi · 2015-06-15 08:18 · Score: 1
  
  How are they in alphabetical order?
  
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17. Re:Poor summary by dissy · 2015-06-15 08:27 · Score: 1
  
  Yea, whoops on my part. "Di" would come before "Do" if alphabetical.
  Guess that's what I get for being a fyslexic duck!
18. Re:Poor summary by Darinbob · 2015-06-15 08:32 · Score: 1
  
  Fallout was the main game from Bethesda itself (or Bethesda Softworks). Doom and Dishonored 2 are from partners/subsidiaries. So to Bethesda, Fallout is hte most important emotionally.
19. Re:Poor summary by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 08:54 · Score: 0
  
  If you like F4llout, you're a retard.
20. Re:Poor summary by Darinbob · 2015-06-15 11:49 · Score: 1
  
  Duum comes before Dyshonored.
No FM-Synth Overdriven Guitar? by TWX · 2015-06-15 01:57 · Score: 1

Without an FM-synth midi chip or a software emulation of it, I don't see how it's really DOOM. Hell, playing DOOM on a wavetable-synth midi card wasn't even right...

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Slashdotted much? by stongef · 2015-06-15 02:02 · Score: 1

Slashdotted much? Or just me being throttled by my ISP?
1. Re:Slashdotted much? by ArcadeMan · 2015-06-15 02:11 · Score: 1
  
  The HTML5 video player on Polygon.com nearly crashed Safari on OS X. It started playing correctly but after the first minute it's like it was trying to reserve all the RAM on my system or something. I've never had a problem with HTML5 video players on other websites.
  
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Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by PopeRatzo · 2015-06-15 02:04 · Score: 3, Insightful

Looking forward to these games, but the kill cutscenes in the new DOOM where they take control away from your character so you can watch someone's head explode will get very boring very quickly.
I kind of wish they'd have left DOOM alone and just created something new instead. I realize it's all about franchises, but still...

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1. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 02:17 · Score: 0
  
  Leave Doom Alone Please!
  Leave Doom alone! right now!.I mean it!
2. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 02:42 · Score: 0
  
  It looks like a console game with QuickTimeEvent melee kills and maybe 8 hours of single-player content.
3. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · 2015-06-15 02:54 · Score: 1
  
  Thankfully, there are engines that will run the classic Doom .wads for basically every platform large enough to run them(and a few you wouldn't expect), so True Doom will probably live longer than any of us here, hopping from host to host like some sort of immortal clonal symbiote.
4. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · 2015-06-15 02:54 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Apparently you have to decide to do a gory kill just before it dies to see the gory quicktime kill.
  No dynamic slices or severs, apparently, which would he a fun minigame deciding which way to cut.
  Oh well. Maybe 20 years in the future they will have this tech, sometime around 2015. For now, mid 1990s, it remains a game engine sliding per-generated animations around a landscape.
  
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5. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 02:58 · Score: 0
  
  It certainly can't get any worse than DOOM3, with it's slow pace, stupid jump "scares", and pedestrian environments. The big question on my mind is, how mod-friendly will it be? That was the real kicker for the first two, I've sunk so many hours building custom WADs, ease of customization really brought them to a whole new level.
6. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by _xeno_ · 2015-06-15 03:08 · Score: 2
  
  Define "mod-friendly." My guess is "not very" but there's this:
  
  The most interesting wrinkle? âoeDoom Snapmap,â an in-game level editor designed, says Bethesda, to let any player craft complex maps or fiddle with the game rules on the fly. When youâ(TM)re ready, you just push a button to play, or share your creation with anyone in the world.
  The reason I say "not very" is that presumably that's intended to satisfy modders due to an otherwise complete lack of modability.
  Of course, that may be designed to bring something like mods to consoles in a way that Microsoft and Sony will allow, so who knows.
  
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7. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 03:37 · Score: 0
  
  Looking forward to these games
  Oh, wow, you went off your SJW talking points, you're supposed to be condemning these games for their excessive violence.
  
  but the kill cutscenes in the new DOOM where they take control away from your character so you can watch someone's head explode will get very boring very quickly.
  I mean, that's close, but that's not quite right.
  The SJW crowd is currently condemning DOOM for being "too violent" (no, really) and Fallout 4 for being "too focused on violence and not enough on emotion." No, I don't know what that means either, you're the white knight, you go ask them.
8. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 03:48 · Score: 0
  
  Fortunately someone got a cap of McIntosh going full retard before he deleted the tweet. This guy is seriously a fucking idiot. Not to mention Anita's comments about crafting in Fallout 4...
9. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Totenglocke · 2015-06-15 03:59 · Score: 1
  
  I knew about Josh / Anita going full retard over Doom 4, but what about crafting gear in Fallout 4 can they POSSIBLY find offensive? I realize that they're socially retarded and are offended by everything, but how can you possibly claim "SOGGY KNEES!" over crafting gear?
  
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10. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 04:36 · Score: 0
  
  Worse was the tweet about Dishonored 2. Apparently, a female main character isn't good enough, because of the tacked-on 'you can also play as Corvo again' at the end.
11. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 04:50 · Score: 0
  
  Here you go, she left the tweet up. Bear in mind this was all after it was announced you'd be able to build and outfit your own home/hideaway/whatever, decidedly a non-violent activity. And even if you couldn't, what did she expect? It's a post-apocalyptic world, you're gonna make wicker baskets or something?
12. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Totenglocke · 2015-06-15 04:52 · Score: 1
  
  I'm sure she'd find something to whine about if she played Harvest Moon.
  
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13. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Blaskowicz · 2015-06-15 05:07 · Score: 1
  
  Doom 3 was modable but creating maps was too complex and time consuming. With AAA games you tend to need AAA artists doing an AAA amount of work to create levels that look remotely on the level of the original ones. In a decade the tools must have gotten much better but the issue remains.
  So, they must have made some simplified map creation tool where you paste pre-configured, tweakable rooms together, fill them pseudo-randomly etc.
14. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 05:12 · Score: 0
  
  This is why it's not worth engaging SJWs. They're trolls. If you try and meet their current demands, they'll just move the goalposts to try and force you to meet some new and even stupider set of goals.
  So, yeah, not surprising that they'd find something wrong with someone giving in to their demands and building a AAA title with a female protagonist. They'll just find something else to be mad about. You can never please a group whose sole goal in life is to be outraged at everything.
15. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 05:48 · Score: 0
  
  It's much easier for her to whine about what others are doing instead of creating something herself. That's why she's a feminist.
16. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by rogoshen1 · 2015-06-15 06:29 · Score: 1
  
  Hah. Harvest Moon. Aka, "Patriarchy, the RPG"
  Seriously dude, one of the major plot devices turns around 'choosing' some poor girl, and subjecting her to a life of servitude.. playing through I felt physically ill due to the obvious parallels to a slave auction.
17. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 06:57 · Score: 0
  
  One of them actually tried (Wu I think), so kudos for effort there I guess, it's more than I've done. But it was such a miserable piece of crap on all fronts. It would have barely passed as an intro to programming final.
18. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 07:44 · Score: 0
  
  Nah, Wu's game is fairly well coded. Because all she did was license the Unreal engine and use it to render cutscenes.
  The "art" and "music" are atrocious and the "gameplay" is nearly non-existent (think "Mass Effect" but with only dialog), but the engine itself is solid. Because it was programmed by programmers at Epic and not feminists.
19. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by PopeRatzo · 2015-06-15 07:49 · Score: 1
  
  "All bullshit aside, have you ever seen a sorrier bunch of beta cucks than the 8chan gamergate douchebags?" ~Thomas Jefferson
  "Nope. Fuck those guys, let's go play some DOTA 2." ~James Madison
  
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20. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 07:51 · Score: 0
  
  The great thing about Poe's Law is that I have no idea if that post is serious or not. Even if it's not serious, someone out there almost certainly has that view. There should be a corollary to Poe's Law: any parody of an extremist view is not only indistinguishable for a true extremist, it will become a "true" view when extremists see it and incorporate it into their world view.
21. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by rogoshen1 · 2015-06-15 08:05 · Score: 1
  
  so how do you make fun of extremist SJW's without running the risk of giving them ammunition? :(
22. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 08:48 · Score: 0
  
  Sorrier bunch of cucks? You mean all those while knight SJWs who want to let their women fuck black guys as reparations for slavery?
23. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by PopeRatzo · 2015-06-15 08:55 · Score: 1
  
  Sorrier bunch of cucks? You mean all those while knight SJWs who want to let their women fuck black guys as reparations for slavery?
  Sounds like I struck a nerve. The funny thing about the big tough GG's and MRA's is just how sensitive they are, even when anonymous.
  
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24. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Lehk228 · 2015-06-15 13:50 · Score: 1
  
  large enough to run them
  
  so, literally anything. doom runs on old graphing calculators
  
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25. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 15:29 · Score: 0
  
  Come on mate, I know you're just shitposting because GG has essentially won but you chose the wrong side if you want to throw cuck around as an insult. We're supposed to call you guys cucks and burch and then you're supposed to call us out as misogynists shaming women for sleeping with more than one man or something. At least play the game the right way.
26. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by PopeRatzo · 2015-06-16 00:19 · Score: 1
  
  I know you're just shitposting because GG has essentially won
  http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-01/07/intel-diversity
  
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27. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-16 01:03 · Score: 0
  
  http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-01/07/intel-diversity
  Yes! Take that GG! Can't you see that women like Anita are damsels in distress that need our coddling and protecting?
  That $300 million is gonna reinforce just how big tough and manly we are for being the great protectors and providers, but you, GGers, are sensitive sissies who fail to adhere to traditional expectations of your gender!
28. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by PopeRatzo · 2015-06-16 05:20 · Score: 1
  
  You sure are salty for someone who has "essentially won".
  
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29. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-16 12:45 · Score: 0
  
  Haha that wasn't me but if you think that Anita scamming some money out of Intel is a good rebuttal you're flat out wrong yet again. Sure some people got salty over it but we got into this because gaming journalists were acting unethically and calling us names to try and cover for it. We've been calling for ethics in journalism and now;
  All the major sites now ethical guidelines,
  A couple of sites have either reformed entirely or shut down,
  Several of the people behind the blacklist have been moved on,
  The FTC has cleared up it's rules regarding certain types of advertising,
  Gawker/Kotaku has taken a good chunk of financial damage and now isn't even invited to some E3 pressers.
  Even Ian Cheong has had enough of people talking about games being problematic and wants people just to play games for fun again.
  Face it, despite them controlling the media we've done most of what we set out to do. Everytime the AGG point of view makes it to the mainstream it's become a joke. Is it any wonder that there's not much left to do but shitpost and laugh at people like you?
  Yes it would have been nice if we managed to kill off Kotaku and Polygon considering they are still unrepentant arseholes but I'm hopeful that at least the Hulk Hogan lawsuit can finish off Gawker.
30. Re: Fallout, Dishonored yes/DOOM meh by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-16 15:19 · Score: 0
  
  You sure are salty for someone who has "essentially won".
  What are you talking about? I'm agreeing with you and making fun of GG with you. Ha ha ha those silly GGers, can't fit into traditional male gender role of being tough and strong! Salty salty salty! Oh those silly nerds. Let the real men... er I mean real adults do the talking and thinking. Nerds should just shut up and stay in the kitchen... er I mean basement.
Doom! \o/ by pruedz · 2015-06-15 02:07 · Score: 0

idkfa So much nostalgia...
Forget Doom, Fallout 4 is where it's at. by blackt0wer · 2015-06-15 02:08 · Score: 1

I owe a lot of my formative years to playing Doom, but like the dinosaurs, it's time to move on. Revitalizing the Doom games is nothing short of a money grab, whereas I think Fallout represents a paradigm shift in pushing the limits of what's possible. I'll be first in line when Fallout 4 comes out.
1. Re:Forget Doom, Fallout 4 is where it's at. by Alwin+Henseler · 2015-06-15 02:52 · Score: 1
  
  I owe a lot of my formative years to playing Doom, (..)
  
  Likewise. And see where that got us, now we're just some sorry asses posting on /.
2. Re:Forget Doom, Fallout 4 is where it's at. by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 03:36 · Score: 0
  
  Speak for yourself...I'm just slummin'
3. Re:Forget Doom, Fallout 4 is where it's at. by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 09:07 · Score: 0
  
  ^ dumbfuck.
some older games had the choice of midi or cd base by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 02:18 · Score: 0

some older games had the choice of midi or cd based sound.
Still the arcade games with the BSMT2000 where very good.
If I were still into gaming... by msobkow · 2015-06-15 02:39 · Score: 1

If I were still into gaming, I'd be crying out "Just take my money, already!"
Alas, as I've aged, the reflexes aren't there any more and most of the modern 3D shooters trigger a migraine. But man oh man do they ever look good compared to when I first played Doom on a PIII. :)

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1. Re:If I were still into gaming... by ledow · 2015-06-15 02:53 · Score: 1
  
  I'm getting old too.
  I don't think I've played a Fallout at all, have never HEARD of Dishonoured and couldn't care less about Doom any more.
  All the big-name games I have wanted in the last ten years that were hyping me up - disappointed in them all. Aliens:CM, Elite:Dangerous, you name it. Couldn't care less. GTA 5 was another troll-out of the franchise but was at least worth the money.
  Everything else? Indie games and emulation, my friend. I've played more Master of Orion in the last year than I have any game that costs Â£50 on release.
2. Re:If I were still into gaming... by Pulzar · 2015-06-15 03:17 · Score: 0
  
  I'm getting old, too, yet Fallout and Dishonored are amazing games. The original Fallout is a classing from '97, so unless you were already very old in '97, you're probably not much of a gamer if you've never played a Fallout game.
  
  All the big-name games I have wanted in the last ten years that were hyping me up - disappointed in them all. Aliens:CM, Elite:Dangerous, you name it.
  I can name plenty of them, but let's start with Fallout and Dishonored :). I think the wrong games were hyping you up!
  
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3. Re:If I were still into gaming... by msobkow · 2015-06-15 03:24 · Score: 1
  
  Hmm. Or was that a '386? Yeah, I think that was still '386 days...
  My computer memory isn't the only memory failing around here lately! (I just discovered over a gig of my DDR2 has gone bad, so I flagged it with GRUB_BADMEM and things are happy for now while I wait for month end to try to source some of that creaky old stuff. A new machine isn't in the budget for close to another year, unfortunately, so I'll have to spring some coin to repair this one.)
  
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4. Re:If I were still into gaming... by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 03:49 · Score: 0
  
  You are the video game version of this guy
5. Re:If I were still into gaming... by ledow · 2015-06-15 04:48 · Score: 1
  
  Nope, just never played a Fallout game through choice. Just not my kind of thing. And Dishonored I've literally never heard of until now because I'm just that old-fashioned that I've not looked at it.
  The problem is that there are so many games, I won't have heard / care about quite a lot of them, even if my Steam library is brimming over (1000+ at the last count), and I have - I think - literally every online PC games service going.
  I just haven't cared about consoles or certain genres entirely and some titles I played once, hated, and never went back.
  And, it has to be said, the 90's were the era I loved the most. I have re-bought just about every game I played in that decade at least two-three times over (on Steam, GOG, for friends, etc.). But Fallout? The first two wouldn't have interested me, and 3 onwards looks like a complete genre change. I wouldn't have played 1 and 2, and by the time 3 was out, I'd stopped buying mainstream games except for those that were cheap, demoed well, etc.
  That's why I haven't heard of Dishonored, most likely. 2012 release? It's just starting to come into my "look it up, see if it was actually any good, set aside a few quid on Steam" considerations. Wouldn't be able to play it without thinking of Shadow Warrior, most likely, or even Thief.
  Games just go in cycles and after a while you've played every genre and spin-off and it gets dull. You know this because you start referring to games in terms of other games: "GTA V? It's like Driver in a more open-world and you can walk about."
  Fallout just looks like Ultima-meets-Diablo then turns into something Rage/Skyrimmy later on.
  I mean, meh. At least Elite:Dangerous held promise for a long while, going back to something that few others have attempted. I just bought Chaos Reborn instead of any of the above... at least it "feels" a bit like that 1980's Games Workshop game I had on ZX Spectrum.
6. Re:If I were still into gaming... by Darinbob · 2015-06-15 08:47 · Score: 1
  
  Yup, Doom looked so very twitch oriented. It's another FPS to me which I don't play, so it's hard for me to judge how it compares in that genre. There certainly is a sort of nostalgia factor there but how does that map to aging gamers.
7. Re:If I were still into gaming... by Darinbob · 2015-06-15 08:51 · Score: 1
  
  Fallout is a good series for older players as it's not really a twitch game. Open world games are getting pretty rare so it's nice they keep this going.
  Dishonored feels like a Thief-wannabe, not really as good a sneaker as it claims to be, but I didn't get too far into it. It felt on rails as well, like 99% of modern games, but maybe I just didn't get far enough in it.
  Doom, I couldn't care less. I care a little, but I think the gameplay trailer was enough to satisfy the nostalgia completely without having to upgrade the PC and buy the game.
8. Re:If I were still into gaming... by Darinbob · 2015-06-15 08:53 · Score: 1
  
  Fallout 1 was very much a niche game when it came out. It had staying power of course, and a loyal fan base, but it was very easy to overlook that game at the time.
9. Re:If I were still into gaming... by Lehk228 · 2015-06-15 14:01 · Score: 1
  
  most of the modern 3D shooters trigger a migraine
  try marijuana, it helps, it also help compensate for the age related loss in reflexes
  
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10. Re:If I were still into gaming... by Pulzar · 2015-06-17 15:02 · Score: 1
  
  at least it "feels" a bit like that 1980's Games Workshop game I had on ZX Spectrum.
  Ha, I grew up on ZX Spectrum, too... learned how to program on its rubber keys :).
  
  That's why I haven't heard of Dishonored, most likely. 2012 release? It's just starting to come into my "look it up, see if it was actually any good, set aside a few quid on Steam" considerations. Wouldn't be able to play it without thinking of Shadow Warrior, most likely, or even Thief.
  I don't know, that argument doesn't work for me. It's like saying that you can't play Quake without thinking of Wolfenstein?
  Dishonored mechanics will obviously be very much based on previous first-person games, but with its own twists and additions, and has a very interesting story. That makes it a good game -- it doesn't have to be a groundbreaking original work that has never been seen before. There hasn't been anything like that since.... well, Wolfenstein, probably.
  You can say that pretty much every first-person game that's got a story and character development reminds you of Ultima Underworld, and miss out on a lot of really good stuff. Just because modern game designers churn out a lot of worthless crap, it doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of really good things available, too. It's just like movie, TV, and music industries.
  
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Not that excited about Fallout by Daniel+Hoffmann · 2015-06-15 02:40 · Score: 0

Fallout 3 was not that great of a game, Skyrim was better but not by much. Fallout New Vegas on the other hand kicked butts so hard. I would be more excited about a new Fallout game from Obsidian.
1. Re:Not that excited about Fallout by crypticedge · 2015-06-15 03:03 · Score: 0
  
  How's it feel being wrong about everything?
2. Re:Not that excited about Fallout by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 03:26 · Score: 0
  
  Uh, what was wrong?
  Do you mean the "Fallout New Vegas on the other hand kicked butts"? Yeah, I guess so. It seemed a little lacklustre to me. Maybe partly because it wasn't Fallout, but a game using the same setting. It was like reading a spy thriller set in the times of "Pride and Prejudice" with the same characters appearing in cameos. Good, but others out there better.
  Skyrim really should have worked on where the hell it was supposed to be. A new graphics engine showing off new lands shouldn't be limited to showing f-ing snow all the time. Some of the simplifications were probably good, but they removed pretty much any reason to play a particular character. It could be justified, but I would have liked some sort of "archetype" class which gave you buffs that *helped* the character class the race generally picked and helped the choice of the class synergise with those buffs to make a slightly easier game. Something not otherwise available. Say faster walk/run speed but less carry weight for the Wood Elf, slower walk/run speed but more carry weight for the Orc, and so on. Moving away from Oblivion, which kind of nerfed you if you didn't pick optimally was good. They may have gone too far to make each choice valueless.
  But on the "Fallout from Obsidian", how can he be wrong in saying what he feels about it? Does he not know himself what he things, he needs you to tell him?
3. Re:Not that excited about Fallout by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 03:40 · Score: 0
  
  He's not wrong. Fallout 3 was only fun for the first couple of hours, running around the large world and exploring. Then you started to notice how lifeless and dull everything is, how all of the little side missions are cookie cutter and how crap the gameplay is, just like the Elder Scrolls games.
  That shit might have been impressive back in 1996 when Daggerfall came out, but not any more.
4. Re:Not that excited about Fallout by cyberchondriac · 2015-06-15 05:20 · Score: 1
  
  Personally I loved Skyrim to death, at least for the first 6 months, but Fallout NV I found lackluster and rather boring, then got (IMO) too difficult with some of the critters. Maybe I was spoiled at that point by the enchanted items I had gotten used to in Skyrim, I was at a very high level there. But all in all, NV didn't really hold my interest much, it seemed a little too spartan. So I got Oblivion, which was okay. I'm burnt out on gaming now, it ate up too much time, but it was fun while it lasted. Though word of a new Doom made me take notice, that definitely brings back good memories (Doom 1 and II, not 3)
  
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5. Re:Not that excited about Fallout by loonycyborg · 2015-06-15 05:48 · Score: 1
  
  I think Obsidian developers are way over-hyped. They DO pay uncharacteristically high attention to plot but they really suck at game design, balance and level design. So I think they could make really awesome interactive novels instead of wasting their time with genres they currently work in.
6. Re:Not that excited about Fallout by slaker · 2015-06-15 06:58 · Score: 1
  
  I loved the first two Fallout games to death and I even enjoyed Tactics but man oh man do I hate most of Fallout 3, especially the DC ruins and metro stations. The whole thing needs about three times more textures and models than it has. I believe it can be improved with mods, but the game is sufficiently crashy and old that I'd rather just go back and play the games I know are good the way they are.
  
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7. Re:Not that excited about Fallout by Darinbob · 2015-06-15 09:28 · Score: 1
  
  Hated Daggerfall. Elder Scrolls has gotten vastly better. Between Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas, I give them a tie. One is better than the other in some areas, and vice versa in other areas.
  When you get down to it, the reason that Fallout 1 grabbed the imagination of the fans was not the gameplay itself so much, but the style of the games. From the manuals, to the pip-boy, the character sheet, the music, and so on. Layer on top the open nature of it; you're not on rails, you aren't penalized by talking your way out of combat, and so forth. Fallout 3 did reclaim a lot of that even though fans were worried.
  There just are no other games in this style at all out there. There may be fantasy RPG games, or post-apocalyptic games (mostly zombie stuff), but nothing really measures up. So many things today are about restricting choices (makes the story easy), restricting where you can go and what you can do (makes the graphics easier), forced combat, forced cut-scenes, gutted RPG mechanics, etc. These really are niche games in that sense, bucking the trend.
8. Re:Not that excited about Fallout by AK+Marc · 2015-06-15 20:42 · Score: 1
  
  Fallout NV was too linear for an open world. You can go anywhere in the world, but if you don't do things in a pretty specific way, you'll be hitting dead ends. Fallout 3 was "better" because it was easier. If you put in the time, you'll finish. You don't have to spend as much time Googling as playing, trying to find the best place to go do things, so you can get to the right level (character or equipment) to be able to jump an excessively hard hurdle.
  
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I may well be older than you by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 03:18 · Score: 0

But I'm not particularly fussed about them either.
Bethesda hasn't recently come with any game I'm willing to put up with the EULA to play or the gaming result to make me change my mind after release.
They want to monetize me. And I can't be arsed putting up with that and the continuing accusation of piracy for a damn game I bought.
Witcher 3 will be about it for this year. Even then I may wait until there's a GOTY with patches so I don't have to rely on internet to download a gig of patches or whatever.
Reminder by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 03:28 · Score: 0

There is still no Prey 2 or any linux ports.
Have you forgot Death Cam? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 03:29 · Score: 0

the kill cutscenes in the new DOOM where they take control away from your character so you can watch someone's head explode will get very boring very quickly.
Apparently nobody remembers Wolfenstein's Death Cam.
Doom without Dr. Carmack... by __aaclcg7560 · 2015-06-15 03:57 · Score: 1

Is still the same old Doom?
1. Re:Doom without Dr. Carmack... by nine-times · 2015-06-15 04:55 · Score: 1
  
  My impression was that Carmack wasn't particularly great at designing games, but his real genius was in developing the game engines. In fact, I'd say that's my general impression of id Software for the last couple of decades.
2. Re:Doom without Dr. Carmack... by __aaclcg7560 · 2015-06-15 06:05 · Score: 1
  
  Was the ID Tech 6 engine completed before Carmack left for Oculus?
Don't have or want Google account by kheldan · 2015-06-15 04:07 · Score: 1

Is there a link to the Doom video that doesn't require you to have a Google account to see it?

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1. Re:Don't have or want Google account by Blue+Stone · 2015-06-15 05:22 · Score: 2
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  That's the link. Just replace the "watch?" with a "/" and then the "=" after the v with a "/" also.
  ie. https://www.youtube.com/v/NteA...
  Gives you full-screen 'embeddable' link that bypasses the censorship.
  
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Looks a lot like Doom 3 by coldsalmon · 2015-06-15 04:35 · Score: 4, Interesting

There are a bunch of imps throwing fireballs, and it's too dark to see anything properly. Run up to them and shoot them with a shotgun. Strafe around the pillars and backpedal around the corners. The hardware is being pushed to the limit, so there are no large areas with lots of monsters; it's all close-quarters corridor fighting with very little room to maneuver. I guess there are some new visual effects if you look closely, but it really looks like exactly the same gameplay experience. Also, I am old and video games were better in 1994 and get off my lawn.
1. Re:Looks a lot like Doom 3 by SuricouRaven · 2015-06-15 06:02 · Score: 1
  
  I'm guessing all of the levels consist of an entry, a series of rooms, and an exit? Perhaps with a few false doors and dead-end corridoors to preserve the illusion of choice.
  I remember getting *lost* in the older FPSs. Doom, DN3D, Redneck Rampage. Levels like mazes, intricately crafted. Now? Most of them are just too linear.
2. Re:Looks a lot like Doom 3 by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 06:33 · Score: 0
  
  You view the past through rose colored glasses. And your basis of comparison is Doom...a shallow crappy game.
  Guild Wars 2 is more awesome than any game people could even imagine in 1994. And it is already old news. Just wait for Star Citizen. The best games 1994 ever had to offer don't even belong on your character's cell phone in Star Citizen.
  See also DMC, SkyRim, etc.
3. Re:Looks a lot like Doom 3 by guruevi · 2015-06-15 17:26 · Score: 1
  
  Those were pretty linear as well though. They did have a great number of 'hidden area's', easter eggs and secondary entrances that made it worth playing the game over and over. Some of those things were actually due to system limitations and clever hacks.
  
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4. Re:Looks a lot like Doom 3 by Whorhay · 2015-06-16 06:46 · Score: 1
  
  I think the progression through each map was still pretty linear but the maps were built such that it was less obvious. I remember in Doom exploring all over the place to find keys and doors to open. Most of the more recent games strike me as requiring a lot less exploring and instead give you only one direction to go the whole time. Very linear games can still be good though, I loved Return to Castle Wolfenstein and that was linear as hell.
5. Re:Looks a lot like Doom 3 by delt0r · 2015-06-17 00:29 · Score: 1
  
  It tends to be linear because art assets are so bloody expensive these days. Oh and everyone complains if you don't have "XX hours of gameplay.. on the super easy settings".
  
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No more Doom! by AndyKron · 2015-06-15 05:05 · Score: 1

I hated the last Doom game and that fucking flashlight.
Brutal Doom in full 3d? by Drakker · 2015-06-15 05:33 · Score: 1

Uuuuh... are they just remaking Brutal Doom in a modern engine?
Dishonored 2? Yay. by SuricouRaven · 2015-06-15 05:59 · Score: 1

I've not found any other stealth game that so closely captures the atmosphere of the Thief series. Very captivating setting, and nicely done stealth mechanics.
1. Re:Dishonored 2? Yay. by __aaclcg7560 · 2015-06-15 06:10 · Score: 1
  
  You never played any of the Deus Ex games without killing anyone all the way through?
2. Re:Dishonored 2? Yay. by SuricouRaven · 2015-06-15 06:52 · Score: 1
  
  DE was good, yes. Story-wise, especially. But the stealth just wasn't the same. I never found myself hiding in a patch of shadow, trying to silently crawl out the room as guards searched each dark corner.
3. Re:Dishonored 2? Yay. by Darinbob · 2015-06-15 09:33 · Score: 1
  
  I didn't think it captured any of the Thief games. I must not played it long enough. I failed always anytime I tried to sneak. There were some guards that never look the other way. Could not see a zero-combat method to get out of the intro.
4. Re:Dishonored 2? Yay. by Darinbob · 2015-06-15 09:35 · Score: 1
  
  I found in Deus Ex that when one enemy was alerted that they all become alerted and instantly knew where you were hiding. Ie, remotely set off an explosive to open a door at the statue of liberty, and all those robots will hone in on you.
I didn't think Dishonored needed a reboot but... by Radical+Moderate · 2015-06-15 06:18 · Score: 1

I have to say that looks very promising. I'm in.

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Alphabetical Order? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 06:56 · Score: 0

Are you certain D-O-om comes before D-I-shonored alphabetically?
Re:meh... by hairyfeet · 2015-06-15 07:27 · Score: 1

But it CAN be done right and be made into a blast, just try the excellent remake of Rise Of The Triad or Shadow Warrior and compare them to the (IMHO frankly boring) Doom 3.
With ROTT and SW they tried to keep what made the classic games "classic" like health packs, power ups, jump pads, but still managed to keep the FUN with a capital F, while Doom 3 felt like "lather rinse repeat" going through the motions. Its like they know what the formula is but just don't have anybody there that knows how to take the formula and make a truly great game from it.
As for TFA? I'm looking forward to Dishonored 2, I just hope they fix the frankly broken sneaking mechanic from the first one. If you are gonna have stealth you really need to have a good sound engine so you can hear the footsteps, otherwise you have like in the first game where the only way to detect who was around was to use your waaay OPed dark powers. In Dishonored 1 the powers once upgraded, even slightly, felt like playing with the cheats on but because of the broken sound engine using the powers was the only way to get from A to B in a lot of spots because you simply had no clues as to what the enemy could and could not detect, how much noise you are making, etc.

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Re:some older games had the choice of midi or cd b by Anonymous Coward · 2015-06-15 07:30 · Score: 0

I think you missed the point there hauss. Doom came out at a time everyone had FM cards. We all heard the music that way. I hated it when I got my awe32 and heard the music.
DOOM by ArylAkamov · 2015-06-15 08:31 · Score: 1

More excited for Doom than anything else. I still play it constantly, switching between Jdoom, Skulltag, Zdoom, etc.
Doom 3 was a pretty big letdown but I can't help but being excited for this. I'm hopeful they got away from the boring slow paced, pitch black cheap jump scare model.
1. Re:DOOM by Whorhay · 2015-06-16 08:53 · Score: 1
  
  The one thing that I saw in the videos for Doom 4 that I didn't like was the slow/stop time mechanic for weapon swaps. The weapon swap actually happened so fast that there didn't really look like there was any challenge to picking a weapon to use that you are good with and making it work in awkward situations. You can always swap to the perfect weapon for each situation/monster nearly instantly.
Doom launched and already too violent? by nickweller · 2015-06-15 10:08 · Score: 1

"The game has been causing huge controversy since it was first released in 1993. And at Bethesda's big E3 event last night, it unveiled the new version of the game, which is likely to cause its own scandal once again." ref