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UK's Legalization of CD Ripping Is Unlawful, Court Rules

Last year the UK finally passed legislation to make the copying and ripping of CDs for personal use legal. After the legislation passed, several groups of rightsholders applied for a judicial review, arguing that the change would cause financial harm to them. (They suggested an alternative: taxing blank CDs and storage devices, sharing the resulting funds among rightsholders.) Now, the UK's High Court issued a ruling that agrees with them: "the decision to introduce section 28B [private copying] in the absence of a compensation mechanism is unlawful." The exceptions in place for private copying are now unlawful, and the UK government will need to amend the legislation if it is to have any meaningful effect.

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  1. Why? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Rightsholders keep pushing the fact that we're buying a personal use license to the media when we buy a CD/DVD/etc, so why is making a mere copy for personal use unlawful in any way?

    You can't have it both ways, greedy bastards.

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because they are quite literally dumb as hell

      This is an industry that tried to push media that self-destructed after a few uses:

      http://news.slashdot.org/story...

      Fuck 'em

    2. Re:Why? by kheldan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's 'unlawful' (haha) because they don't like it, they think they won't make as much profit because of it, that's why.

      Of course in reality they're squabbling over nothing at all, becuase nothing they do is going to stop people from ripping CDs anwyay. They may as well try to put a tax on people's ears, for all the good it'll do them.

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    3. Re:Why? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why the fuck would I want to have something like that?

      Ok, have is not so bad, but pay for it? Clearly not. If that means I can't have it, so be it.

      Dear content industry,

      I survive without your content.
      Do you survive without my money?
      How long can you continue buying laws to further your failed existence?
      How long do you think you can you keep bullshitting people into thinking you're in any way relevant?
      Artists don't need you.
      Music lovers don't need you.
      Actually, nobody needs you.
      You're self serving.
      In a working capitalist world, you'd be doomed to cease to exist.

      Keep praying we never become a market driven economy.

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    4. Re:Why? by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "You can't have it both ways, greedy bastards."

      You can if you have enough money to buy the legal process.

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    5. Re:Why? by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Rightsholders keep pushing the fact that we're buying a personal use license to the media when we buy a CD/DVD/etc, so why is making a mere copy for personal use unlawful in any way?

      You can't have it both ways, greedy bastards.

      I'm more struggling with the fact that in the day and age of streaming music and humans walking around with devices that hold thousands of songs that physical media is still seen as this much of a issue.

      Shit, the industry itself will likely abandon the pressing of physical media within the next decade. What does it fucking matter?

      There's a simple solution. Artists, prepare to give away your music for free, or ask for a nominal DRM-free fee (ala Louis C.K. model) You and your promoters can and will still make plenty of money off other promotions and tours, and we can eliminate this bullshit argument of loss of revenue due to ripping.

      If they don't like this idea, then fuck 'em. They're not going to eliminate what they deem as illegal music distribution. Hell, they practically support it today with YouTube, which is where I go to listen to a song and download it for free. The posting of entire albums there makes me think they really don't care all that much, so have fun arguing over a tax on media that won't generate shit in return.

    6. Re:Why? by Jawnn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Rightsholders keep pushing the fact that we're buying a personal use license to the media when we buy a CD/DVD/etc, so why is making a mere copy for personal use unlawful in any way?

      You can't have it both ways, greedy bastards.

      Oh, yes we can, you little person you. We missed the boat completely when it came to digital media and lack totally the vision to come up with a business model that works in this new age, so we've paid good money, a buttload of it, to have the rules tilt things in our favor. So shut up and take what we so generously offer you. Regards, Your Friends at RIAA

    7. Re:Why? by rickb928 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Look at it this way:

      I can use Google Play for $9.99/month. If this price stays, I would spend as much on streaming as I did for my current CD collection in about 40 years.

      But will I be able to get the music I own now from Google Play, if I rely on their stream, in 40 years? Or even 10? 5?

      Because Google Play can only stream to me from their library the music they have rights to. The music THEY have rights to. Not mine. So it is not entirely impossible that the music you love won;t be available to you if you rely on streaming, because, gasp, it was never yours at all. Yes, they want to deliver what you want to listen to and be competitive. I'm pretty sure iTunes users wanted to play Beatles tunes for a very long time. How did that work out back then?

      I still buy music, much less than ever for lack of interest, but I see streaming in the long term as a potential loser.

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    8. Re:Why? by taustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As long as your streaming service is working. And your internet service. And any number of other steps in between. And the streaming service doesn't get in to a dispute with a studio, and drop (or be forced to drop) their entire product line. And as long as they don't change the price from ten bucks a month to 20, or 50, or 500. Or you lose your job and can't even afford ten.

      I'll stop listening to music before I pay for something as insubstantial as radio (and that's what streaming is. And don't think for a second you won't have ads within a few years, even on premium accounts.)

  2. Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    wtf did the comments links go?

  3. CDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    CDs? Like people used to use in the latter part of the 1900s?

    Next they'll say I can't make my own buggy whips.

    1. Re:CDs? by grimmjeeper · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I buy CDs. I rip them so I can get a DRM free copy on my hard drive. I store the CD on a shelf as a backup. I don't give away or sell copies to anyone. I only use one copy at a time so I'm not violating any reasonable interpretation of fair use. I don't have to pay a subscription fee to anyone to listen to the music I have purchased. I don't have to rely on any cloud service to maintain a copy. I don't have to worry about having access to the music I have purchased (which is an issue when I'm in my Jeep in the mountains and I have spotty cell phone coverage).

      The artists and producers have made a reasonable profit in supplying the music to me. I am in control of how I access the music I paid for with no reliance on any 3rd party. Everybody wins.

  4. Free replacements for scratched media.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That means that with that license to use, in perpetuity, if the media becomes damaged, then the rights holder will ship out, for free, replacement media for said license.

    If they don't want to do that, then allowing license holders to make private backup copies of their licensed products is the only way to go.

    Perhaps a major class-action lawsuit against the RIAA/MPAA and every Recording and Movie studio should be made to get a final decision on whether it's the media we purchase or the license so that they can no longer flip-flop which it is based on how they want to limit our rights.

  5. New law not legal? by webwake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't by definition a new law legal (assuming it isn't against a constitution or any higher law)? Is the only threshold that it would not cause financial harm if that is the case most laws should be illegal as they all cause financial harm to someone.

  6. Financial harm to innocent storage users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They suggested an alternative: taxing blank CDs and storage devices, sharing the resulting funds among rightsholders

    My company buys thousands of hard drives used for data centre storage and DVDs for backups. Why the hell should I pay extra for them so that the money is sent to the entertainment industry when no data that goes on those drives will ever relate to them?

    1. Re:Financial harm to innocent storage users by sabbede · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You absolutely shouldn't. It's total nonsense. It's like saying you should pay a tobacco tax when you purchase a lighter, because it could be used to light a cigarette.

  7. Lightbulbs! by Gliscameria · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can we please get lightbulbs banned already, or at least tax them so that the candlemaking industry is compensated? Maybe horsebreeder and wagon makers should get a cut of car sales? Since when was it the government's job to protect corporate profits? I mean, guys, at least pretend...

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  8. Royalty tax on ALL blank hard drives?! by Snufu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Instead of keeping copies free, they suggested that a tax should be applied to blank media including blank CDs, hard drives, memory sticks and other blank media. This money would then be shared among rightsholders, a mechanism already operating in other European countries."

    So in some European countries you already pay a royalty to music companies on all blank media regardless of the intended use? Does the Red Cross pay music company royalties on the blank SSDs in their new laptops? Do researchers at the large hadron collider pay a music royalty on the blank USB drives used to store their data? Do individuals pay music company royalties for the blank SD card used in their personal cameras?

    You guys still haven't figured out this taxation without representation thing.

  9. Re:And we wonder why music is such crap these days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you look at how commercially successful musicians made a living for the past 800-1000 years, its *always* been sponsored in a round about way by the rich & powerful of the time to serve their interests. Whether it was the church, aristocrats, or CEOs.

    There was always folk/"pop" music you would have heard in taverns, schools, family gatherings, etc, but it wasn't until the invention of the phonograph that large portions of that were capable of being preserved and nobody every "made it big" hammering out drinking songs in the corner pub.

    The explosion of recorded pop music that started in the 1910s - 1920s with jazz, ragtime, & similar only occurred because a special combination of technology, companies out to make a buck, and a relatively high level of disposable income. As time went on, the culturally uniting effects of music as well as increased available of technology with the radio, then record, and CD (with magnetic media scattered throughout) made it possible for companies to make ever increasing profit. They promoted artists to make more money. Period. You have to realize that very, very few of the total musicians for any given genre that has ever hugely taken off make any real money. How many jazz musicians do you think were working other jobs for every Miles Davis? How many singer song writers for every Jimmy Buffet out there are just smoking pot in their mom's basement and working at walmart? How many people are shredding on a Les Paul at corner bars for every Joe Satriani out there?

    Point being, making pop music never has, and never will be a viable way to make a living for all but a very, very small portion of everyone who has an interest in making music.

    What the internet has done for music that is I see as good on a whole, is made it possible for literally anyone on the planet to create a song that is heard by millions if only enough people actually like it. Sure, commercial entities can play a role, but the entire concept of a viral video is that it tugs at some common thread that runs prevalent enough through humanity as a whole to be of *interest* to millions in a day in age where attention spans are shorter than ever and there is more music at your finger tips that you could ever listen to in a hundred life times.

    Sure, youtube sensations like "what does the fox say" and "gangam style" lack a certain degree of complexity and craftsmanship compared to, say for example the work of Led Zeppelin. But does that doesn't make them any less "good" in their own way.

    The music industry that you seem to describe as knowing & loving from what I would say is the mid-to-late 1990s was just a brief "blip" in the much bigger history of music, that I agree is in inevitable decline, but such is the way of the universe.

  10. Re:And we wonder why music is such crap these days by tompaulco · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Excellent rant. There's just one problem with it: piracy actually increases music sales.

    I'm sure that some people have bought music after listening to a pirated version. I'm sure hundreds of times more people have not bought music because they already had the pirated copy. If you have some documentation that shows that there are more people that buy the music after pirating it than don't, I would love to see it and I'm sure that lots of other people do as well.
    But that being said, there is no reason why the record industry has to give any kudos to people who pirated and then came back and bought later. I could go to the grocery store 1,000 times and pay for the groceries, but the one time I walk out without paying, they can have me arrested. Even if I then offer to pay them for the groceries, they can still hold up the charges.

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  11. Re:And we wonder why music is such crap these days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Metalica, ironically enough, comes to mind. They had a following before they even had an official album, thanks to bootlegs of local gigs that started making rounds.

  12. Re:And we wonder why music is such crap these days by bigfinger76 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Exactly. I'd dub a copy from friends in elem. school until I'd saved enough allowance to buy the albums. Then I bought them again on CD later in high school/college, many of them more than once (damage, theft, etc.). Even the odd vinyl. By this time I was attending shows, buying merch.
    Yet somehow we're the leeches. Gotcha.