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DuckDuckGo Sees Massive Growth In Post-Snowden World

DuckDuckGo, the privacy-oriented search engine, has been around for over six years. But when Edward Snowden revealed the extent of NSA surveillance in 2013, DuckDuckGo started a period of strong growth that hasn't slowed yet. The search engine has seen a 600% increase in traffic over the past two years, and they're now serving 3 billion searches a year. This shouldn't be a surprise — last month, a Pew survey found that 40% of American adults didn't want their search engine to retain information about them. But members of the general public are notoriously slow to change their privacy-related behavior. DuckDuckGo's growing popularity has led them to double their employee count since early 2014, now totaling 28 people. Their success is beginning to fuel speculation about an acquisition, with Apple's name being tossed around as a potential buyer.

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  1. But where's the share buttons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    But will they add convenient share buttons for all the social media sites? As Dice Holdings, Incorporated has shown us, that is what makes a website great.

  2. Take that Google... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Another good private search engine is Sequoiam, no IP addresses or search history is recorded.

    1. Re:Take that Google... by sims+2 · · Score: 2

      sorry ive got to ask who runs Sequoiam it doesn't show up on google or ddg any more info? i see it uses piwik for analytics

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    2. Re:Take that Google... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sequiam also uses google apis in their search page

      "https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.11.2/jquery.min.js"

      <sarcasm>They did a great job avoiding Google!</sarcasm>

    3. Re:Take that Google... by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      jquery isn't really a "Google API"

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    4. Re:Take that Google... by Takahashi · · Score: 1

      jquery isn't really a "Google API"

      but googleapis.com, which is what the GP was refferring to is google APIs, which allows google to track who's downloading APIs from googleapis

  3. Good for them! by s.petry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I changed several browsers to use DDG as the default search. If I can't find something, I can always to go Google.com and look for it.

    Hey Dice, pay close attention to this part! I don't want to have everything I do tracked and analyzed. Not by a Government nor by a company. They don't have my best interests in mind, they have _their_ best interests in mind.

    I block a lot of content today that 5 years ago I never had to worry about. I'm blocking 3 sites that Dice attempts to push through their default content because two of them are under the same owner.. a former Israeli Intel head who opened social media and content sharing sites.. out of the goodness of their hearts right? Pfffft..

    Using "Social Media" only increases people's ability to track. Like the new shitty "share" button where "comment" use to be. I refuse to use social media sites for the same reason I am using DDG.

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    1. Re:Good for them! by koan · · Score: 1

      The name of Mossad head you're talking about and one of the social sites would be nice to know.

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    2. Re:Good for them! by s.petry · · Score: 2, Informative

      I attempt to keep bashing to reasonable levels, so I'll give you the information and you can find things on your own. Run NoScript and load Slashdot. Note every site that attempts to talk to your browser, and start looking for company information and whois data.

      I highly recommend people run NoScript all the time. You may be surprised at who you are being connected when visiting what you believe one site and maybe an add channel. Some sites are huge balls of spaghetti serving one little meatball.

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    3. Re:Good for them! by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Informative

      If I can't find something, I can always to go Google.com and look for it.

      DDG can even handle that part for you. Check into their bangs. They have "!g" to automatically run your search through Google for you, saving you the hassle of navigating there yourself. I miss the inline map results when searching for addresses, so I'll use a !g on those to save myself the hassle of pulling up Google Maps directly...and I just noticed they have a !gmap, so I'll likely start using that instead.

    4. Re:Good for them! by j_l_cgull · · Score: 1

      Not by a Government nor by a company.

      Which is effectively the same today, due to third-party doctrine ...

    5. Re:Good for them! by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Informative

      add to that 'disconnect' as a firefox plugin. it also filters things that you don't want (stops outbound connects that don't need to be, just to read the content).

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    6. Re:Good for them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the !g, since I'd always write google out fully..

      You can use !gm to save a few letters of typing also :)

    7. Re:Good for them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a spineless douchebag but FYI apparently talking about this.

    8. Re:Good for them! by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Turns out DDG also has triggers. For instance, type in an address and add the word "map", and it'll provide an inline map in the results from an open mapping source. Even so, I think !gm is what I'll probably end up using, since Google Maps is still the best.

  4. Only AC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only Anonymous Cowards use DuckDuckGo.

    captcha: blessed

  5. Apple may buy a search engine used by people who like privacy!

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    1. Re:Ha? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dont worry, apple wont change much... just add a little tracking on the back end..

    2. Re:Ha? by slazzy · · Score: 1

      I don't think Apple would care about the privacy part, but they may buy a company which has a good backend crawler.

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    3. Re:Ha? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2

      No, Apple isn't looking to buy it nor does the article that Soulskill linked even say that. Soulskill made up the claim entirely.

    4. Re:Ha? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good crawler? DDG uses bing.

    5. Re:Ha? by Excelcia · · Score: 5, Informative

      DuckDuckGo doesn't have a crawler. Well, they say they do, and I'm sure they have some basic crawling, but they only say that so they don't look silly for being a search engine that doesn't actually do search. They buy their results from Bing, and then do some value added stuff like munging in Wikipedia results. I doubt Apple wants to buy something that sends money to Microsoft, and they certainly won't back Google. And Apple doesn't have the expertise to build an effective search engine on their own.

    6. Re:Ha? by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 1

      No, Apple isn't looking to buy it nor does the article that Soulskill linked even say that. Soulskill made up the claim entirely.

      It's good that we have an older than i am Slashdoter like you writing how an "Apple should just buy DuckDuckGo" post become "Apple a top contender to buy DuckDuckGo"...

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    7. Re:Ha? by Rasperin · · Score: 3, Funny

      They'd never be so bold as to add tracking to duck duck go! But for performance and "other stuff" they will be adding analytics.

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    8. Re:Ha? by geekmux · · Score: 0

      They'd never be so bold as to add tracking to duck duck go! But for performance and "other stuff" they will be adding analytics.

      This is the largest delusion anyone could have about any corporation operating today.

      Good luck with that shit. You're gonna need it.

    9. Re:Ha? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Apple may buy a search engine used by people who like privacy!

      Yeah, that hardly sounds credible. Apple would buy a service that offers a wide range of services. At one point, Yahoo! would have been a good target, but given the number of services they have shed, such as Yahoo! Maps, Hotjobs, et al, it's probably not as attractive now.

      But DDG is hardly Apple's type. They're offering privacy to users, but that goes against the grain of even Apple - remember the Genius Bar, anybody? Apple would LOVE plenty of analytics on what their users do - they just don't package and sell it since they're making good margins on the iPhones, iPads, MacBooks and Mac Pros. But that doesn't mean that Apple doesn't care what their customers do.

    10. Re:Ha? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Maybe not, but they can still buy Yahoo!, salvage the pre-Bing search engine and build on that?

    11. Re:Ha? by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 1

      Yes, Yahoo would have been a good target for Apple (and i believe it still is - i would not be surpised if someday i see an iYahoo).

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    12. Re:Ha? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Pretty much my thoughts. People use that search engine exactly because it doesn't track them. That's pretty much the only reason there is. It's slower than google, its results are far less accurate, its interface is dated, it has no, not a single, feature that reaches the levels of the big squid. Its only redeeming feature (and just think what people are willing to put up with just to get that one!) is that it does not track.

      And now a company wants to buy it that has a ... let's say not toooooo awesome track of not wanting total control over its users.

      The very purchase of the brand would burn it.

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    13. Re:Ha? by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 0

      Since i already wrote about that "Apple privacy" irony (that you recognize also), i just want to agree with you about the description of DuckDuckGo - i respect what they try/claim to do, but i am glad that i am not the only one who thinks that "It's slower than google, its results are far less accurate, its interface is dated, it has no, not a single, feature that reaches the levels of the big squid. Its only redeeming feature (and just think what people are willing to put up with just to get that one!) is that it does not track.".

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  6. Laugh by koan · · Score: 1

    with Apple a top contender to buy DuckDuckGo.

    If you can't corrupt them buy them.

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    1. Re:Laugh by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      Yes. DuckDuckGo bought by Apple due to increasing popularity due to DDG's privacy stance. DDG's privacy stance immediately undermined by being owned by Apple.

      It may not be as bad as being acquired by the NSA, but let's face it, no matter how much Apple tries to suggest that they won't change anything... they're going to change things.

    2. Re:Laugh by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Except there is no evidence that Apple isn't looking to buy them. Soulskill was just making things up.

    3. Re:Laugh by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      *is* looking to buy them, of course.

  7. Umm, bullshit. by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Informative

    Their success is beginning to fuel speculation about an acquisition, with Apple a top contender to buy DuckDuckGo.

    Except that there is no such speculation. No where in the link does it say that there are acquisition talks. It is just someone's opinion that Apple should buy them.

    1. Re:Umm, bullshit. by jjeffries · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except that there is no such speculation.

      Well, there is now!

    2. Re:Umm, bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn journalists and their irresponsible reporting!

    3. Re:Umm, bullshit. by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Soulskill a journalist? You best be joking...

    4. Re: Umm, bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be useful to the corrupt 'law enforcement' establishment in this country to have a privacy oriented company acquired by a nice safe multinational that will cooperate with them. So people need to plant ideas, especially if Apple had no such plans on their own.

    5. Re:Umm, bullshit. by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      As far as I can tell, DuckDuckGo is a private company and so not vulnerable to a hostile takeover. If they were, it would kind of defeat their purpose. The second they got bought out by the likes of Apple, privacy would go down the shitter.

  8. DDG.GG, I use them daily. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use duckduckgo as a daily search engine for many years. I jumped to them as soon as I found out about them. Screw google always trying to find and sell my information.

    That being said, I would stop using ddg.gg immediately if apple bought them. I trust apple as much as I trust google which is the exact same as I trust Micro$oft, CIA, NSA, actually any government (muricain, or otherwise).

    The only reason to use ddg.gg is that they are not in the set above. As soon as they switch, I switch. Better to have your data disseminated among many small companies then pile it on one or two large companies that are guaranteed to be compromised*.

    *Compromised by greed, ie will sell your data (google), or has the NSA (and other government agencies) completely imbedded in them. Small 28 persons companies are much less likely to be to be targeted.

  9. venturebeat full of shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there's no indication apple's even interested in ddg, and why would they be? they have no control over their own indexes or sources of their own databases.. they aren't true search engine, they're a meta engine, at best, compiling OTHER SEARCH ENGINES results into their own pages, they do no indexing or spidering of their own.

    and why would ddg sell out? and to a large privacy-be-damned company? not going to happen... EVER.

    venturebeat is blowing smoke and shoveling shit, nothing more.

    1. Re:venturebeat full of shit by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      No, Soulskill is full of shit. VentureBeat is not claiming that Apple is looking to acquire DDG. It's an article making a case for why that person thinks they should buy DDG.

  10. ddg.gg by sims+2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't forget their short url ddg.gg its as easy to type as google.com or bing.com

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    1. Re:ddg.gg by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Okay, dgg.dd. Gotcha. Should be easy enough to remember.

  11. DuckDuckGo, please don't sell. by swerk · · Score: 1

    To anyone. Certainly not to anyone who's got such varied motives as Apple.

    Providing good, untracked, unbubbled search is its own worthy end; please let's not distort it by bending it to serve the latest iFad or getting all wrapped up in some specific ecosystem. How about we continue to build on open standards and make stuff that's useful for everyone? Apple used to understand that (so did Google) but the whole point is that their like can't be trusted at this point.

    Anyway DuckDuckGo has been my default engine for a few years now, and I've been very pleased with how good it's gotten. I hope they keep up the good work and manage to avoid falling out of touch with what made them special to begin with.

    1. Re:DuckDuckGo, please don't sell. by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      You should read the article. It doesn't say what Soulskill is claiming.

    2. Re:DuckDuckGo, please don't sell. by catsRus · · Score: 1

      I doubt Apple would buy it, the growth would reverse in a day since Apple is no friend of privacy. (Unless i suppose they need a quick tax write off but they got that with Beats)

    3. Re:DuckDuckGo, please don't sell. by tlhIngan · · Score: 1, Informative

      To anyone. Certainly not to anyone who's got such varied motives as Apple.

      I'm pretty sure they can't - as in if Apple bought them Google would shut it down.

      DuckDuckGo is just using Google in the end, after all. And I'm sure Google's agreements with Apple would preclude Apple from starting up a similar service using Google's search results. (Remember, Google still pays Apple a few billion dollars to be the default search engine).

      Anyhow, doesn't iOS offer DDG as a search engine option besides Google and Yahoo/Bing?

  12. Hypocrite by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    This goes completely against the spirit of your post in favor of anonymity.

    Notice: If you post anonymously do not expect a reply.

    For the first time ever I am posting logged in just to remove the positive mod I gave you.

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  13. How can we block the share button by Stan92057 · · Score: 2

    How can we block the share button i use Ublock Ive tried may different options to block every social button i am not a member of twitter,fartboox so they are 10000%useless to me. Ublock is ..a pain. but the only AB i have found that lets me decide what i want to block by right click block. Ad blocker plus once allowed it now that feature is gone. and no learning to be a web coder isn't in the books ever lol Is there a site i can go to to learn how and what to block?

    and yes i do use duckduckgo its not as good as google but anything past the first page on all the search engines is useless garbage IMO and for my search that's the only opinion that matters :}

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    1. Re:How can we block the share button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using ublock, try this as a custom filter:

      slashdot.org##.menu-trigger.control

    2. Re:How can we block the share button by sergei83 · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure Ghostery (browser add-on) has that option, it's mainly used for blocking trackers though.

    3. Re:How can we block the share button by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      Your right it only blocks the tracker..

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  14. Ownership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't read any of the links but didn't a Chinese company buy DuckDuckGo? For the truly paranoid, doesn't that defeat the Snowden/NSA nexus?

  15. Who's behind DDG? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do we have any independent way of verifying that DDG is not an NSA honeypot, or is this another case of Internet hipsters declaring their own set of cultural prejudices to be TRVTH because they say it is?

    1. Re:Who's behind DDG? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask yourself this: What is DuckDuckGo's business model?

      Seek and you shall find your answer.

    2. Re:Who's behind DDG? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if they are not. DDG still needs to make money. Hmm, sounds like Google.

    3. Re:Who's behind DDG? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's money to be made without doing targeted advertising. You can have "dumb" ads that simply try to match the right ads with the right search terms, without regard for who the user is or what information you might be able to collect about them. Google used to operate that way, before they realized they could track users and thus charge more for their ads since they were better targeting them at specific users. DDG was founded for the sole purpose of rolling back the clock on that sort of thinking.

    4. Re:Who's behind DDG? by jdavidb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm always cognizant of that. How do we know DuckDuckGo is not simply lying?

    5. Re: Who's behind DDG? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I click an ad it's because it's relevant to the page I'm on, I don't click ads that appear to be targeted at me.

      And nearly everything I buy is either something I'm looking for or sent to me as a recommendation from a mailing list I'm on by somebody I trust.

      People claim email is dead, but it's a much better way of selling things. It mostly just goes to people that ask for it.

    6. Re:Who's behind DDG? by antdude · · Score: 1

      "Trust no one." --Fox Mulder :P

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    7. Re: Who's behind DDG? by rilister · · Score: 2

      I've always wondered that. It would certainly be an efficient method for the NSA to track searches of people who are trying to hide. Trust is such a fascinating issue, and it comes down to this:
      Do you trust, say, Google, who have stated privacy policies, some track record of resisting the NSA (likely unsuccessfully) or the dude who started DuckDuckGo, Gabriel Weinberg (http://ye.gg/) who kinda looks friendly and geeky, but could literally be anyone.

      Seriously, it's kind of nuts that the best tool available for privacy is to blindly trust *some random guy on the internet*.

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    8. Re: Who's behind DDG? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      One test would be to enter a number of DDG searches using trigger words that might catch the NSA's interest. If you get "swatted," my point is proven.

      Nobody would actually want to try that, though.

    9. Re:Who's behind DDG? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yandex. Russian.

  16. Re:Dunning–Kruger effect by EzInKy · · Score: 1, Redundant

    You are right, all that you just said is above my head and I'm in no mood to research it. To me it is simple, you want anonymity but refuse to respect that rights of others who want the same. I've been using Slashdot since before 2000, and some of the most informative and insightful posts come from those who can only post anonymously. Governments kill and people ostracize those who post unpopular things. For you to purport to want anonymity but refuse to respond to the anonymous is the pinnacle of hypocrisy.

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  17. privacy vs convenience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't know what happened to Yahoo numbers when Firefox switched, but I expect they went up at least a little.
    Yahoo's search results are not as good as Google's. When my Google search includes the word "binding" the results bring up program language bindings. On Yahoo, they bring up a lot of weird things I have no interest in.

    I have kept Yahoo as my default search engine with the idea that if they get enough traffic, they will get trained and some day be as good as Google.

    But this is a silly thought. Google doesn't show me language bindings because they have learned that most people click on links to language bindings when they search for bindings. Google brings up language bindings because they know me. In fact, they will bring up language bindings for the languages they know I use most. They have learned who am, what I do, and almost how I think. This despite turning cookies off, ignoring ads, using proxies, etc.

    Do I want Yahoo to become as good as Google? Come to think of it... no. Well... yes. I mean, no. Aaah! I want the great results I get from Google. But that isn't possible without giving away my privacy.

    I've tried to use Duck Duck Go many times. I would think they were pretty good if I had never used Google. But I've used Google, and DDG is frustrating. Until I remember why it isn't as good. Then I make a choice between my privacy and convenience. I usually choose privacy, but sometimes, if I can't find something on DDG, I turn to Google.

    It would be cool if DDG gave me an account on which I could control how much about me I shared with them. 28 years old, married male, 2 children, live in Texas, like to hunt, prefer stackoverflow results over wikipedia. If I can't find what I'm looking for on DDG, I login and try again. If I'm not satisfied, I can choose whether to share more info.

  18. startpage by markdavis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    >"DuckDuckGo, the privacy-oriented search engine"

    Actually, I think of startpage.com as the privacy-oriented search engine. Same results as Google, but no Google tracking and it is NOT hosted in the USA. I have been using it for years now.

    https://classic.startpage.com/...

    1. Re:startpage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was a startpage user for a long time. Until they decided to look exactly like google. Why? Why do that?

    2. Re:startpage by markdavis · · Score: 2

      I also detest the recent change. But some things to note- unlike Google, you can go into settings and change it right back to the old theme. And most importantly, still none of that annoying Google logo animation ***t, ever.

    3. Re:startpage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use startpage mainly aswell

  19. Should we trust Apple? by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Should we trust Apple?

    1. Re:Should we trust Apple? by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

      Well, Apple has been consistent about what it sells and it is not data to aggregators.

    2. Re:Should we trust Apple? by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

      And if you are doing nefarious business, Apple plainly states they need a proper court warrant to turn over any data.

    3. Re:Should we trust Apple? by swillden · · Score: 1

      FYI, Google doesn't sell user data to aggregators either, or to advertisers. You may know that, but I mention it because it's a common misunderstanding of Google's advertising business model.

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    4. Re:Should we trust Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can never trust a company in the USA. Have you been living under a rock?

    5. Re:Should we trust Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fuck google's business model.

    6. Re:Should we trust Apple? by swillden · · Score: 4, Informative

      Fuck google's business model.

      Really? Keep in mind that without it Google search wouldn't exist... and neither would DDG, because most of DDG's sources are other engines that are also funded by advertising. Odds are that without Google's business model you'd also be seeing a lot more, and a lot more intrusive ads. You are probably too young to remember what the commercial side of the web looked like in the mid to late 90s, but I'm sure you've seen the "one weird trick" sites with pages and pages to present a small amount of content buried in mountains of ads. That was pretty much where we were headed until targeted advertising came along.

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    7. Re:Should we trust Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Boohoo. The world without google. THE HORROR!

    8. Re:Should we trust Apple? by swillden · · Score: 1

      Boohoo. The world without google. THE HORROR!

      The world without web search, or even the pre-search model of curated indexes (Yahoo!, also based on targeted advertising, though of a less effective form)? You're either trolling, or stupid.

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    9. Re:Should we trust Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DuckDuck Gone!

    10. Re:Should we trust Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aliweb was launched 5 years before Google.

    11. Re:Should we trust Apple? by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Fuck google's business model.

      Really? Keep in mind that without it Google search wouldn't exist...

      Google Search existed before Google settled on their business model...

    12. Re:Should we trust Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worth noting that they were not the first web search engine; Lycos, Altavista, Hotbot... there were loads.

      What google brought to the picture is the bit that now seems obvious but was not: PageRank. That's their significant innovation.

  20. Duck Duck Go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about ixquick? I have not looked into them, but they are probably operating the same way as DDG.

    1. Re:Duck Duck Go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AKA startpage

  21. Re:If only we actually lived in a post-Snowden wor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cite a primary source, please.

  22. Re: Dunning–Kruger effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that you Sheldon?

  23. The best solution would be a client-side engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think in an ideal solution to privacy-friendly search would involve a product. Why can't search, mapping software, and similar be localized? Why shouldn't I simply connect to my own personal server which contains all the information needed to do the search locally? In theory all you'd need to do is get a couple terabytes (probably significantly less really) and sync the databases these search engines are built off. Your actual search can then be done locally without ever sending search terms to a third party. In fact you could do this for many critical apps where you don't really need to communicate with others. You could run your own local mapping site (like Google Maps or Mapquest), weather service (all it really needs to do is sync all weather data nightly), proxy cache (preferably pre-filled with the most popular websites), and so on. Then you'd not even be sending data needlessly to third parties which can track or record what your doing. If you posses the majority of content you might want to access already it'll significantly reduce the chance you'll try and access something on the internet where it reveals your location, travel plans, etc. It isn't a total solution as some things like air fair tickets, hotels, concerts, and other events will still require an advance purchase in most cases. Though some things can be avoided (hotel reservations in some instances or if your staying with friends- though you probably will end up communicating with them in the open over the phone or net anyway so they'll know your trip plans in advance anyway... but some things you can do to prevent this- ie GPG, etc).

  24. Re: Dunning–Kruger effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    English must not be a language that you understand. I read his statement perfectly.

    PS. I do not expect a reply.

  25. Re:Dunning–Kruger effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "English must not be your first language. "do not expect" in the English language does not mean the same thing as a refusal. If you can not understand phrasing in the English language, ask questions instead of making incorrect assumptions. If English is your first language, shame on you for being so weak with your comprehension skills. Based on your change of subject English is your first language and you incorrectly believe that you are intelligent."

    This is poor English. 'Must not be' is more correctly used in orders or instructions. 'Weak with' should be 'weak in'. 'Comprehension skills' refers to reading ability. Oh, and there should be a comma before the 'and' in your last sentence. Physician, heal thyself.

  26. Re:If only we actually lived in a post-Snowden wor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He told the truth about the unlawful spying that the US government was not only perpetrating against its supposed allies, but also against its own citizens.

    Snowden is a patriot. You and all of the fuckers in the US government are traitors and should be tried for treason.

  27. Apple? Of all things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, DDG: I know it's unfounded rumors. But please, please don't go this way. I'd be willing to pay a yearly fee if that helps you to keep humming.

    I really appreciate what you're doing. I'm thankful for that.

  28. Re:Dunning–Kruger effect by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    Just fuck off. You want to track others but do not want to tracked yourself. What makes you so special that gives you the right to ignore anonymous posters but makes you expect to remain anonymous yourself. And fuck Dice for allowing such a privacy invading person such as your self for being modded so high.

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  29. 3 billion searches a year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    works out to 25 million searches a day, which doesn't sound as impressive. It's a rounding error by the standards of Google, FB or Amazon.

  30. I switched because of results by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    I switched from Google because I began to notice that their results seemed to be skewed. Certain types of results were not coming up in my searches, even when that was specifically what I was looking for. While it mostly appeared in politically loaded searches (although the nature of the skew makes it hard for me to determine the nature of the bias...I found both "liberal" and "conservative" viewpoints dropped from results) it also occurred in some searches for answers on technical issues.

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  31. And if they see a NEW surge, it's because... by Reziac · · Score: 1

    ...StartPage/IXQuick just "upgraded" and thereby royally fucked up their interface (now requires javascript AND the search box no longer accepts paste, at least for me). I'd preferred StartPage, but have now switched to DuckDuckGo in sheer desperation for a search engine that doesn't argue with me, never mind tracking me... that's almost a secondary issue in the face of usability, or lack thereof.

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    1. Re:And if they see a NEW surge, it's because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, seems to work fine without Javascript for me. Whereas when I used DDG I had to navigate to a special version of the site to use it without Javascript, maybe they've fixed that now, but I don't feel like checking.

    2. Re:And if they see a NEW surge, it's because... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      [goes to check]

      Looks like IXQuick/Startpage has reverted to the old layout (that was quick) which would explain why today it again works fine without javascript. The 'upgraded' page quite definitely did not. Plus it was hard on aging eyes. Fucking pastels everyone has suddenly gotten into...

      DDG used to require JS to work, but doesn't now.

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    3. Re:And if they see a NEW surge, it's because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TBH, I don't normally go to the main page anyway, I just use the search bar in Firefox, so I probably didn't notice the change. I might give DDG another look at some point if they don't require JS anymore.

    4. Re:And if they see a NEW surge, it's because... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      And I always use a link on my menu bar, never a toolbar -- interesting how user method changes perception like that.

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  32. The problem with DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is that it's a U.S-based service, and they will ultimately do as gov tells them to, and say they didn't (like gov tells them to). Try StartPage and StartMail, they are operated in the EU and are a safer bet.

  33. 3B a YEAR? by radish · · Score: 1

    3 billion searches a year works out to 95/second by my estimations. Which is laughably insignificant. Why on earth would Apple be interested in that?

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  34. 98 searches a second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    98 searches a second

  35. XKCD by Maxus+Atom · · Score: 1

    I just found out that if you search "xkcd" in DuckDuckGo, it will show you the latest XKCD in the search results, plus a link to the ExplainXKCD page for it. Awesome!

  36. Missing the point by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    I doubt Apple wants to buy something that sends money to Microsoft, and they certainly won't back Google. And Apple doesn't have the expertise to build an effective search engine on their own.

    Apple would contend that nothing outside of the beautiful walled garden of Apple.com is worth searching for in the first place.

  37. Re:Dunning–Kruger effect by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Which is why I log in, right? Good grief you are an idiot.

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  38. Incognito/Private Window/etc by iamacat · · Score: 1

    Then your browser will not give your search agent of much of a chance to track you, and in most cases you have the source code to verify that. Search engines don't bother to track by IP because it's both unreliable and you will likely be pissed off if you see ads which are too relevant when you take such precautions.

    Presumably most of your searches are not privacy sensitive and you might even appreciate the ads that show what you are looking for right at the moment. And when you are seriously looking into overthrowing your government, you use your browser's Incognito mode to connect to Tor over a VPN provider outside the jurisdiction of your local spooks.

    Use DuckDuckGo if you like it, but it can not be your only privacy measure when you need real privacy, especially as startup on American soil forwarding searches to Putin's Yandex. Most search engines track you to get some money from ad clicks. Having to produce records to various law enforcement agencies is both costly and bad for brand reputation, so some effort is expanded in degrading usefulness of stored data for this purpose while minimally complying with the law.