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Microsoft Attempts To Clarify the Windows 10 For Everyone Rumor
Ammalgam writes: Over the weekend, Microsoft caused a web explosion by seeming to imply that they were going to relax their licensing rules and offer Windows 10 for free to everyone. This caused an uproar of controversy online that Microsoft had to address. The company issued a statement in an attempt to clarify the Windows 10 licensing situation. The language is still a little confusing so on Windows10update.com, Onuora Amobi tries to simplify the language and sort out the distinction between users on the Windows Insider Program and non Windows Insiders.
If you have Windows 7 or 8/8.1 Genuine, you'll get an upgrade to retail Windows 10. If you have the Windows 10 Insider program, you'll get an upgrade to Windows 10 that gets early update releases (i.e. you'll be a public beta tester for future updates).
Besides, better yet:
There are two kinds of people:
1. The ones that can extrapolate
If you upgrade from 7/8/8.1 the license is there to stay and you can in the future perform a full clean installation. It is tied to the hardware in some way, I dunno how, so you probably can't move the license to another PC, but aside from that it is a non-revocable license.
I want to stick with 7. But MS seems intent to forcing 10 uppon us with windows update. First I had to remove and block KB3035583, yesterday I see this: KB3040272 in the list of updates which, according to MS, does this: "This update helps Microsoft make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows."
Blocked that as well, you never know what they spam you with when they think almost everyone installed it. I don't even trust them not to call something like that a "security update" at some point.
Your old transferable license is consumed into the Windows 10 license
This assumes that you purchased your original Windows 7/8/8.1 license as a Full-Packaged Product (FPP) separately from the PC it is running on. If you purchased an OEM licensed copy of Windows 7/8/8.1 with the PC, it was always bound to the original hardware.
From http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/3/4e3eace0-4c6d-4123-9d0c-c80436181742/oslicqa.doc
My old license is "consumed"? I can't activate on newer hardware? Fuck that. At least when Microshit made my Windows 8 installation upgrade to 8.1, the my license terms for my original software didn't disappear. My system builder Windows 8 can be moved to any computer I choose as long as I nuke the old copy.
"There can be little doubt that union activities lead to continuous and progressive inflation." F. A. Hayek
I wonder how many ads will be tucked into places so they can have a stream of money to pay for development?
A lose debian analogy, the difference being MS might revoke access to the Insider program without notice.
If you want Jessie (stable), you can upgrade free of charge from Wheezy (oldstable) or Squeeze (oldoldstable) but if you want to upgrade from Lenny or Etch or otherwise, you must buy a new computer with Jessie pre-installed or purchase retail Jessie DVD installation media.
On the other hand if you sell your soul to Linus, promising your firstborn child to RMS, you may access the Stretch (testing) and Sid (unstable) rolling releases free of charge but may not downgrade to Jessie without following the steps above.
If you are using Testing during the trunk freeze prior a new release, you may painlessly switch to Stable provided you had a valid installation of OldStable or OldOldStable.
windows translation of the above:
If you want Windows 10, you can upgrade free of charge from 8.x or 7 but if you want to upgrade from Vista or XP or otherwise, you must buy a new computer with Windows 10 pre-installed or purchase retail Windows 10 DVD installation media.
On the other hand if sign up to the Windows Insider program, promising your firstborn child to Microsoft, you may access the Slow or Fast rolling releases free of charge but may not downgrade to Windows 10 without following the steps above.
If you are using Windows Insider builds prior to the new release, you may painlessly switch to Windows 10 provided you had a valid installation of 8.x or 7.
I should have said Windows 8 "personal use" license. It is unique among Windows licenses. Microshit nuked the "personal use" for Windows 8.1 system builder copies.
"There can be little doubt that union activities lead to continuous and progressive inflation." F. A. Hayek
If i got this straight, microsoft will push the OS upgrade through windows update, and after the installation will check for a valid 7/8/8.1 licence key and activate Win10 with that. So, if i need to do a vanilla installation of Win10, will i be able to download the iso and use my valid 7/8/8.1 licence key without any problems? Or is it a one way path where you need to do a vanilla of 7/8/8.1 and then do an OS upgrade through winupdate?
Roses are red, violets are blue, most poems rhyme, but this one doesn't...
Windows 10 is free, now you just have to pay for downloadable content.
In many jurisdictions, any license that you bought without signing a direct contract with Microsoft is a transferable license (and EULAs are unenforceable), not just the full retail package licenses. The system builder packages in particular are not bound to the hardware.
And will people who just downloaded the beta, and are using it and filing bug reports, still get a free copy of the release evrsion?
If Microsoft had communicated more clearly, this discussion wouldn't be necessary. Microsoft is extremely badly managed.
"Blocked that as well, you never know what they spam you with..."
At present, the best way to update Windows 7 is to use Autopatcher. The Autopatcher group helps everyone avoid Microsoft's anti-customer "updates".
Microsoft's updates are usually poorly described. The business rules Microsoft has made for itself do not include being honest or complete in describing the control Microsoft wants over computers.
From what I take from that you can continue to be a beta tester for as long as you like (but you need to keep upgrading and may get flaky builds) with out a licence, or you can opt out the insider program for a finished copy of windows where you will upgrade for free if you had windows 7 or 8.
If you opt out and don't have a valid\legal copy of windows then you will get kicked out.
Although I'm not a Windows user myself. I maintain a virtualized test copy running under That Other OS for the benefit of my IT clients. I have a standardly purchased XP and a standardly purchased Vista (in the time when it was new) and am now running the beta 10.
I'd mod you up if I could. You pretty much confirmed my fears that Microsoft basically wants to sell you on your PC being a phone that you have 0 control over and will probably lead to odious bullshit like this. They royally fucked up with Windows 8. They killed technet. Windows 10 is more of the same. I've been clinging to Windows 7 Ultimate on my primary desktop because games/drivers. I just hope Valve dumps enough money to make Linux a truly viable alternative.
I have a licensed copy of Windows 7. Will I retain all the rights and accesses I have with this copy when upgrading to the Windows 10 license?
It is a very simple question. You may choose to answer "yes" or "no". No buts, no ifs, no legalese bullshit. There are two legit answers to this question and no others are accepted as valid input.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
You do know that that is exactly the wrong way to phrase the joke right? And that therefore you DON'T know the difference??
It's called trolling and I thought it ws quite funny.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Did you know that Quentin tarantino wanted to use windows 10 as torture instrument in the torture basement scene in pulp fiction? It was then graded too violent, and he had to switch to what we've seen instead.
As the film was made in 1994, I assume this is some recycled Win 3.1/Win95 joke from AOL of the period?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
And will people who just downloaded the beta, and are using it and filing bug reports, still get a free copy of the release evrsion?
You're replying to the wrong post (and yes, you will - as long as you keep testing, which maybe isn't completely free.).
There are 10 types of people in this world. You are not either of them.
FTFY.
They can take my LifeAlert pendant when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
Maybe it's just part of the running joke that 2015 is really 1993 in disguise. You know, with a Jurassic Park movie out and all.
> There are two kinds of people:
> 1. The ones that can extrapolate
I would argue that by stating there are two kinds of people, you have set up a mental model of a set of two. Then by leaving one of the two to the readers imagination you are requiring *interpolation* not extrapolation. You are not extending the set.
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I work in a win7 only environment. Only except for me, running Fedora 21 (last week, 22 this week). The number of people that are openly envious is astounding. Just yesterday I was doing screenshots with the keyboard printscreen button: theirs is disabled, or never worked or whatever and they would like to have it. IT doesn't know how to do it. I can do a screen cast with options from an icon on my header, I can paste from a pastebox on the same header, I have the weather on the same header, and the time and date is easily readable on that same header,I have a disappearing dock, multiple desktops, etc, etc ,etc and they all work 24/7.Did I mention that this is Fedora, a Bleeding Edge distribution that runs testing for Red Hat?
So very very tired of people who really don't know shit.
BTW, I was talking to our "IT" tech just yesterday (sorry, Friday actually). He mentioned why they do everything at the university (where I work) in MS. MS gives them everything for free. The training, the OSs the support, the seats, everything is free. I bought a new copy of Win7 for a KVM instance at home for $15 at the computer store, which is a private company on campus, but with a faculty ID I get it cheap. Every morning when I use OWA to check my mail through the MS mail server I get an offer to get Office 365 for free.
This is the embrace. The tech I was talking too knew he was working with an SQL db, but he didn't even know that MYSQL and Maria were the same, even though the real hard core techs at the school run red hat for the HPC mainframes, he admits they are "way above me, I don't even talk to them." When I asked why he chose SQL rather than a noSQL or Postgres, he didn't even know what they were. That is the sad reality of MS today. They are extinguishing knowledge to protect themselves from superior competition.
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