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Avira Wins Case Upholding Its Right To Block Adware

Mark Wilson writes: Security firm Avira has won a court case that can not only be chalked up as a win for consumer rights, but could also set something of a precedent. Germany company Freemium.com took Avira to court for warning users about "potentially unwanted applications" that could be bundled along with a number of popular games and applications. Freemium.com downloads included a number of unwanted extras in the form of browser toolbars, free trial applications, adware, and other crapware. Avira's antivirus software warned users installing such applications; Freemium took objection to this and filed a cease and desist letter, claiming anti-competitive practices. But the court ruled in Avira's favor, saying it could continue to flag up and block questionable software.

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  1. Freemium was ordered to pay all court costs. by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most excellent!

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  2. this really went to court by luther349 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i tell you we are fucked for this to even need a court case of course we can flag and block things we don't what on your pc.

    1. Re:this really went to court by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      I know.

      Like WTF? We need a court to determine what the hell I can block?

    2. Re:this really went to court by jopsen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      i tell you we are fucked for this to even need a court case of course we can flag and block things we don't what on your pc.

      Relax... You can sue over many things; that doesn't imply you have a snow flakes chance in hell of winning...
      They were probably just hoping avira would settle, and add an exception for freemium.

    3. Re:this really went to court by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, we need a court to determine whether a company can block something for you.

      Which seems odd considering that Net Nanny and the likes have been offering essentially the exact same service for years now and nobody bothered to complain.

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    4. Re:this really went to court by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      But, but, our business model depends on being able to exploit you!

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    5. Re:this really went to court by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Net Nanny and the likes have been offering essentially the exact same service for years now and nobody bothered to complain.

      Presumably Net Nanny never came to the attention of whatever fuckwit is in charge of freemium.com

      This isn't about people's rights or the right to do legitimite business, it's about fuckwits who think it's perfectly OK to infest your PC with sluggish, personal-data-stealing crapware using whatever means they can legally get away with. Just so long as they can get a new car out of it, that's fine.

      Me? I'm now thinking of registering my copy of Avira.

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  3. Everyone has an opinion on malware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Browser Search Toolbars - it's a matter of provider. Personally I prefer to not have any toolbars because I don't trust those vendors. Other articles state that the current landscape of BHOs pegs about 80%+ of them as having malware-like behaviors, including:

    - Deliberate opt-out mechanics with unclear opt-out instructions.
    - Deliberately sabotaged uninstallers (so they can't be easily uninstalled).
    - Installer tripwires (so they automatically reinstall if removal is attempted).
    - Obfuscation to make them hard to detect.
    - Or just plain drive-by installation.

    If your software has to attempt to protect itself from my attempts to uninstall it then try making a case for why it might be wanted. The industry is living in denial if it can claim software we're all trying so hard to remove is "wanted". So...If I can assert that then why can't any random company say the same? Or is this a case of "it's only legal to say it if no-one is listening"? Companies like Freemium.com are the reason computers aren't any fun anymore - I spend more time fixing machines because of disingenuous jerkoffs like those.

  4. I'd certainl yhope so... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Under what legal theory would it be forbidden to offer a product that blocks shitware? Even if we grant that this 'freemium.com' must be tolerated as legal-but-sleazy, rather than dragged out and hung from a lamp post; is there some sort of 'right to be installed' that software possesses that nobody told me about?

    It seems about as silly as arguing that throwing away junk mail without opening it is abridging the spammer's right to free speech.

    1. Re:I'd certainl yhope so... by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 2

      I don't think the blocking of shitware is a problem per se. It seems that the objection is to the labeling of the products of others as "shitware". There are apparently rules that forbid Coca cola from saying "You should drink coke instead of that diarrhea water called pepsi".

      I understand the motivation for these sorts of laws, but they do lead to cases like this, where our ability to call a turd "a turd", is questioned.

      I would much prefer a world where there was freedom of speech even in advertising, and I will be responsible for determining if pepsi is really "diarrhea water", or whether a browser toolbar is shitware rather than the government. Think of all the human effort and time wasted in legal battles that would be saved. Think of all the kids potentially becoming lawyers, because laws and litigation are how we solve our disputes. Think of all the people who must think "Well if I heard it on the TV or the internet it must be true, because liars lose their court cases", even implicitly.

    2. Re:I'd certainl yhope so... by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Under what legal theory would it be forbidden to offer a product that blocks shitware? Even if we grant that this 'freemium.com' must be tolerated as legal-but-sleazy, rather than dragged out and hung from a lamp post; is there some sort of 'right to be installed' that software possesses that nobody told me about?

      Oh, that's no problem. Freemium claimed (and likely has the numbers) that their income from sleazy installs against the wishes of the computer went down, and that it was due to Avira's software (which they probably also can prove). So Avira _did_ interfere with Freemium's business, there is no doubt about that. The question was whether they interfered in a legal way, or in an illegal way. And the judge said it was legal. I suppose if Avira put up an alert saying "Don't install this, this software will cause cancer" they would have lost.

  5. Re:Precedent by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    Even without a formal system of precedent, and treating prior cases as authorities to be cited, I'd imagine that the outcomes of past cases, and the various arguments and concepts employed, likely have an influence on future cases, at least those where the person overseeing them is undecided or has no particular opinion on the matter.

    At least in the US, that seems to be a factor when(for some reason of how the courts are structured and arranged) a given court decision is not official precedent for the purposes of another court; but still has a decent shot at being cited if it framed the issue persuasively. It's not 100%, it might also be mentioned in the process of vehemently disagreeing with the decision of the other court and politely-but-brutally rubbishing their line of thought; but even without binding legal obligation to consider a given case, sufficiently similar past cases tend to help shape future thinking on the matter(as well as encouraging or discouraging prospective litigants).

  6. Re:Precedent by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While true, judges tend to follow the ruling on the table. If only to appear consistent and not wanting to contradict their peers.

    Twice so in a matter where most judges don't have the slightest inkling of an idea what's going on. Like, say, "anything computer/internet".

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  7. Avira is a PUP itself. by shihonage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It aces artificial AV tests in performance, because by default, it only scans files by extension, which is a huge security risk. The free version makes annoying advertisement pop-ups. And in my experience it popped out vaguely threatening messages about a vague virus which neither Combofix nor MBAM nor a couple of other AV products could find.

    In my experience, all free AV programs are highly suspect in their behavior, by their nature and goal. They're full of upsells, they will passive-aggressively threaten you, they will try and install PUPs themselves... etc.

    1. Re:Avira is a PUP itself. by Lehk228 · · Score: 2

      avira scans files that get executed. if your AV scanner defaults to trudging byte by byte through a terabyte of movies and MP3s, that isn't a good thing. maybe for a monthly scheduled scan at 4AM monday morning.

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  8. Freemium.com promotes Avira by penguinoid · · Score: 2

    "Avira flags all that crapware that most other antiviruses are paid to ignore," said a spokesman for Freemium.com.

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