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Microsoft To Sell Bing Maps, Advertising Sections

UnknowingFool writes: Microsoft has announced that they will sell some Bing Maps technology to Uber and their advertising business to AOL. About 1,300 employees are expected to be offered positions in their new companies. CEO Nadella said previously that there would be "tough choices" to be made. Some outside analysts have said neither venture was very profitable for Microsoft and may have been unprofitable at times.

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  1. Altough I agree by danbob999 · · Score: 1

    that Bing maps is a failure, how will Microsoft compete against Google in the search business without maps? Will they integrate Google Maps results to Bing?

    1. Re:Altough I agree by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

      Perhaps they will go all in on Nokia HERE maps...

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    2. Re:Altough I agree by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      Although I prefer google maps, bing maps had a few things I liked about it. My favorite feature is Birds Eye view, which uses aerial photos rather than satellite photos. Sometimes that can get you better info from that, since they usually have 4 different perspectives you can rotate through, and they are much closer and more detailed.

    3. Re: Altough I agree by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      I kinda doubt it. Satya Nadella really didn't seem to like the first Nokia purchase, only backpedaling after he himself was stuck with it. Likewise, buying here maps sounds like such a Ballmer move.

      In fact I wouldn't be at all surprised if Microsoft finally kills windows phone. It's really not Microsoft's bread and butter. Their bread and butter is enterprise grade SaaS and enterprise grade workstations and applications.

      Xbox *may* have a future as this third generation is finally profitable, however they've already dumped so much money into the first two that they're still in the hole, and will be for some time.

    4. Re:Altough I agree by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The new Microsoft.
      Embrace. Decay. Try Again.

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    5. Re: Altough I agree by fermion · · Score: 1

      MS is the grandaddy of the computer phone like device, having supported the enhanced phone since at least 2000. These devices have never sold, well, and presumably never made any significant profit. If MS did not quit the market after the KIN, nothing will stop them. Especially now that they have created an OS designed to make their users suffer. Windows 10 appears to continue the notion that in the not too distant future every person will be on a tablet, not on what we consider a computer today. And it makes sense because most of the world are going is going to be using a phone with a screen less than 10" as a computer in the near future. If MS alienates it's traditional high volume user base, and is not able to get a phone out, then where is the money going to come from? Not from the few respectability users that need MS products to run specialty verticle market applications.

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    6. Re:Altough I agree by drkstr1 · · Score: 1

      Why would they even need to compete on that front? How would the competition benefit thier core business going forward? One of my favorite quotes by George S. Patton is, "Don't fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning." It seems like this new CEO knows what he's doing, and is willing to make the tough choices to turn the ship around, even if it means dropping a lot of dead weight in the process. It will be interesting to see how it turns out.

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    7. Re:Altough I agree by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      bing maps is also much faster than google maps.

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    8. Re: Altough I agree by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      In fact I wouldn't be at all surprised if Microsoft finally kills windows phone.

      In the future? Perhaps if the situation doesn't improve. Right now? Very doubtful... they just recently made a huge investment on making Windows 10 run on Windows Phone and the Universal Windows Platform capable of running the same binaries (with responsive UI) on all devices from phone to IoT to tablet to Xbox to PC to HoloLens and whatever else they dream up.

      Also consider that in most markets, Windows Phone is closer in phone marketshare to iOS than iOS is to Android. That's not saying a lot. But WP is definitely at the #3 spot, and the way this market is... if they can find that itch to scratch, things could change within the course of two or three years.

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    9. Re:Altough I agree by Talderas · · Score: 1

      It doesn't seem like Microsoft is selling Bing Maps to Uber only some of the underlying tech. I imagine Uber has been courting both MS and Google trying to get some sort of map technology for their business. It's a great business decision on MS's part. There's a high probability what they're selling is not at all risky for Microsoft and they may have also be receiving up front payment which puts the government threat to Uber as a non-factor.

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    10. Re: Altough I agree by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Also consider that in most markets, Windows Phone is closer in phone marketshare to iOS than iOS is to Android. That's not saying a lot. But WP is definitely at the #3 spot, and the way this market is... if they can find that itch to scratch, things could change within the course of two or three years.

      Which is like bragging about Pluto because it's closer to the Sun than to Proxima Centauri.

      Third place in the mobile market is a dubious distinction, at best. In reality, Windows phones are irrelevant, but only slightly less irrelevant than, say, BlackBerry.

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    11. Re:Altough I agree by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      That's not the new Microsoft, that's the Microsoft of the last decade.

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    12. Re:Altough I agree by fnj · · Score: 1

      that Bing maps is a failure, how will Microsoft compete against Google in the search business without maps? Will they integrate Google Maps results to Bing?

      Another question which is at least as glaring: what would be the reason to keep running Bing at all WITH NO MORE ADVERTISING REVENUE?

    13. Re:Altough I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      enjoy that while you can

    14. Re:Altough I agree by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      So they should sell Bing, not only Bing Maps.

    15. Re:Altough I agree by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      It could be to keep people into their ecosystem. For the same reason they run services such as Hotmail and give Windows 10 for free.

    16. Re: Altough I agree by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Which is like bragging about Pluto because it's closer to the Sun than to Proxima Centauri.

      Ahh, we've sent probes to Pluto... We can do so again and again...

      We aren't even in the realm of dreaming of sending probes to Proxima Centauri...

      So, Pluto ain't half bad...

    17. Re: Altough I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If MS did not quit the market after the KIN, nothing will stop them

      That was Ballmer's Microsoft. Nadella has proved to be willing to do things different.

      While I agree that phone and tablet interfaces are important, it's a serious uphill battle for MS after their numerous failures in the field. Modern Windows Phone may be a perfectly good operating system, I really don't know, because like most consumers I am simply not willing to chance it when there are other perfectly good alternatives of well known quality level.

    18. Re: Altough I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might be a decent analogy if planets regularly moved closer to or farther away from the sun. And if Pluto were the 3rd planet. And if the comparison were between market shares that are within 1/25 of 1 percent of each other.

      Maybe then it would be a decent analogy.

    19. Re: Altough I agree by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 1

      (getting quite a bit off topic here)

      I disagree. I think that we are quite capable of sending a probe to Proxima Centauri.

      We just aren't able to send a probe that will send us any meaningful results in less than a few millenia. But I think we could - were we to put our minds to it - develop a probe that could ride out the centuries and send back a signal when it go thtere.

      Heck, if were ready to spend a few times the world's yearly GDP (and not let certain political issues like worries like launching large nuclear devices into orbit), we probably could launch an interstellar probe that would get there in a single human lifetime.

      It hasn't been entirely TECHNOLOGY that has been limiting us to this single basket of eggs that we call the Solar System for a long time.

    20. Re: Altough I agree by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 1

      No.

      Definitely no.

      The Nokia purchase was a boon for MS and under Satya's leadership is finally bearing fruit. Have you seen the new Lumia 640? Good reviews are ablaze. MS NEEDS to get a foothold in the mobile market. And they are. Not sure why you think they're going to kill it off.

    21. Re: Altough I agree by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      if they can find that itch to scratch, things could change within the course of two or three years.

      We've been hearing that every year for the past (almost) 5 years since WP came out.

    22. Re:Altough I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's far better than that piece of shit google maps though

    23. Re:Altough I agree by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      Google maps also has the birds eye view now, with four different perspectives. They even 3D model the buildings (very roughly) and foliage.

      Not sure if it's everywhere, or just in select cities, or only on faster PCs.

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    24. Re: Altough I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says far too many wishful thinking Linux fan boys....guess what? Microsoft is still here and has plenty of money to keep going for a long while. Something tells me that Windows 10 is going to do better than many of us think.

    25. Re:Altough I agree by spitzak · · Score: 1

      My favorite feature is Birds Eye view, which uses aerial photos rather than satellite photos. Sometimes that can get you better info from that, since they usually have 4 different perspectives you can rotate through, and they are much closer and more detailed.

      That was true, but Google was pretty quick to copy it. They now seem to have incorporated it into their 3D view as well, which makes panning somewhat better (and more importantly hides the worst defects in the 3D view by limiting the projection to a POV very similar to where the texture map image was taken from).

    26. Re: Altough I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My girlfriend was willing to chance it, she loved it for six years. Now with the modern updates they broke everything that was convenient. XBox Music is utter crap now. On top of that they haven't handled the battery life issue. It really seems like Microsoft isn't using even a quarter of its ass to develop Windows Phone. It's a shame though as everyone I know that tried it actually liked it but there is no Microsoft push behind it so even Bank of America no longer supports it. Without nurturing the application development grassroots there is nothing to do on their half decent platform. It's pretty crazy for a company that once understand very well that you have to get developers on your side if you want to have a product people will use.

    27. Re: Altough I agree by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1
    28. Re:Altough I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm, no.

    29. Re:Altough I agree by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      Yes, it appears they use the aerial imagery to build out and texture map 3d models of buildings, but only in select areas, and not in that many areas, honestly. Around me, none of the area is supported. They simply take the satellite view and use it as a texture map for a 3-d modelled elevation map (so you can see the major elevation changes very roughly modelled, but that's about it). Even in a big city like Chicago, they seem to have a it supported for 10-15 miles from the shore of Lake Michigan, but after that it reverts back to a crappy perspective view of the satellite imagery.

      Bing, on the other hand, appears to have the aerial photography in a LOT more places. At least in the cities I've dealt with, they seem to have pretty much everywhere. But bing isn't better everywhere. Just as an example, I picked some far off little farm in the middle of nebraska, a ways from any major city. Bing's aerial view there is pretty crappy. Google satellite imagery is MUCH higher resolution.

      So it's really a tradeoff, depending on what you are looking for. For that reason at least, I like having 2 options. Near me, bing often has the better imagery, and I'll miss it for that.

    30. Re: Altough I agree by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 1

      The Nokia purchase didn't immediately start being a cash cow? Oh no!

      Investors scramble (and I am one) to ask why isn't this investment paying off right now. Short term profits! Short term profits! Gimme money now!

      Or you can hold out and wait for MS to actually use the Nokia assets to build up and become formidable marketplace. Here's a great idea, let's withdrawal from the mobile market altogether!

      Nadella is not that retarded, he knows the importance of the mobile market and how important it is. MS needs a piece of that cake if they want to stay relevant in current times. The enterprise/desktop market was fine and dandy two decades ago. But it's not anymore. Consumers demand more and more from their mobile devices. Eventually a mobile device will be most people's PCs.

      Nokia is their only avenue to success and even though they're losing money now, they won't be in the future. So let your short term investors scream their heads off anytime they see red ink without actually critically analyzing the figure.

    31. Re: Altough I agree by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      They've been holding out for the long term for about 5 years now. Presently Microsoft loses 12 cents on every mobile device they sell, and that doesn't even count the R&D and marketing costs. There is all of zero indication that things will turn around. Every so often there's a new WP, and the fanboys jump for joy saying that "this is the one that will fix it all, omg its so awesome!" and the result is just crickets.

      I've heard it described that developing apps on WP feels as restricted as writing code in javascript on a web browser.

  2. Competition by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As much as I hate Microsoft for all the crap they've pulled over the years, Google should have competition. Without competition they'll become......well, like Microsoft.

    1. Re: Competition by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      I think that competition is coming in the form of Apple, who it seems is poised to compete with Google's search, in addition to their maps service.

    2. Re: Competition by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      I still think we'd be better off with three strong competitors in all areas: Apple, Google and Microsoft.

    3. Re:Competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like it or not, Facebook is Google's biggest threat in search. And unlike Bing, an absolute crapton of people already use Facebook.

    4. Re: Competition by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In technology platform wars, there tends to only be two major competitors at any given time, with the third being niche at best, and almost always ignored by the dominant two anyways, so it doesn't change things much IMO.

    5. Re: Competition by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      BTW for historical reference:

      Sega Genesis, SNES, and Turbo Graphix 16

      Windows, Mac OS, and OS/2.

      Android, iOS, Windows Phone

      There are a lot of examples, but while people have heard of the third, basically nobody uses it.

    6. Re: Competition by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      I think that competition is coming in the form of Apple, who it seems is poised to compete with Google's search, in addition to their maps service.

      I'd be okay with that, but in order for that to be accurate, Apple would have to open up - Apple Maps on Windows Phone and Android, an actual search engine that's usable through a web browser, and presumably, iAds to fund these projects - technically not truly necessary, but I don't see the bean counters being willing to spend iPhone stipends on a project where they're not at least recouping their costs.

      Apple competes well on its own platforms, but amongst the reasons why Google is Google is because it's neigh impossible to find one's self on a platform that doesn't provide some form of access to Google services. Microsoft is getting much closer to this level of ubiquity. Apple doesn't appear to be trying.

    7. Re: Competition by afidel · · Score: 2

      MS Office/Corel Office/SmartSuite, though that one's a bit murkier since MS Office was clearly #1 pretty early on with the other two fighting over the scraps in specific industries (legal for Corel, wherever IBM could swing it for SmartSuite)

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    8. Re: Competition by Old97 · · Score: 1

      Apple and Facebook. Facebook is probably the bigger threat in that they value market share whilst Apple values profit, i.e. they're happy to take the 20% share where 90% of the profit is and leave the rest to others.

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    9. Re: Competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think Siri is a serious competitor for Google?

    10. Re:Competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always thought Bing's photographic maps were much better than Google's. I do hope the new owners will continue the maps service.

    11. Re: Competition by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      TurboGrafx-16

    12. Re: Competition by gtall · · Score: 0

      That would be true if the third was not MS. MS always defined itself by how it could screw competition, not compete fairly with them. Skunks don't change their scent.

    13. Re:Competition by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Seems MS and Facebook should then make a mutual search deal. You gotta pool resources to compete with Google in search-land.

    14. Re: Competition by asimons04 · · Score: 1

      If Microsoft sold their advertising division to AOL, who was just purchased by Verizon, then I shudder to think of the consequences of that.

      Verizon, first and foremost a telecom, has been trying to hitch its wagon to the advertising bandwagon for a while now, and doing some pretty shady things to do so (remember X-UIDH, anyone?). Now that they have AOL and Microsoft's advertising portfolios, a large subscriber base in their wired and wireless telecom divisions, and the stones to flat-out inject irremovable tracking headers into customer traffic, I don't see how this can turn out well. It took a huge uproar from security researchers to even get them to admit to the X-UIDH tracking headers and then pressure from the Senate to even get them to offer an opt-out.

      All I can say is you better keep your ad filters updated, and if you subscribe to any Verizon services, start looking into a VPN even if you opt-out of their super-cookies. Not that I trust Google, but I trust Verizon WAY less.

  3. Hardware, Devices and Services, Business silos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds to me like Microsoft's famous corporate infighting is cutting off its nose to spite its face.

  4. Thanks Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Display advertising is almost complete fraud now. MS can't make enough to support their bloated infrastructure and they just give up (bye bye 1200 jobs).

  5. Deal by puddingebola · · Score: 2

    Specifics of the deal said this would make Bing the default search provider for AOL for 10 years instead of Google. Google still has around 64% of the search market, but numbers seem to indicate that Microsoft is gaining ground on them with 20% market share. Rik van der Kooi, vice president of Microsoft’s ad business, said Bing is a self-sustaining business, or "sustainable and standalone." https://fortune.com/2015/06/30...

    1. Re:Deal by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      Is the "default search provider for AOL" really that prestigious a title to seek? It's been quite some time since AOL had a decent user group. Next up: Microsoft's Bing to become the official search provider of MySpace!

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  6. NOT selling Bing Maps by pavon · · Score: 4, Informative

    The headline is horribly misleading. Microsoft is absolutely not selling Bing Maps. They are selling the team that has been gathering street-view imagery. The companies haven't released many details on the deal, but you can imagine that since Uber already has a fleet of vehicles driving around they could pay drivers to capture this imagery while delivering people and save a fair bit of money.

    1. Re:NOT selling Bing Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't know Microsoft practiced slave trade. Seems profitable.

    2. Re:NOT selling Bing Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uber doesn't have a fleet of vehicles. They have a bunch of people willing to drive their personal vehicles. Is the expectation that the pod will be mounted on Jeff's VW if Jeff is to work for Uber?

    3. Re:NOT selling Bing Maps by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      you can imagine that since Uber already has a fleet of vehicles driving around they could pay drivers to capture this imagery while delivering people and save a fair bit of money.

      It doesn't make any sense (capturing the imagery requires specialized hardware), but you can imagine it.

  7. Executive positions in France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The ones sold to Uber are lucky since I hear Uber is looking for some more executives for their office in France.

  8. Re: All tough I agree (FTFY) by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1

    Also consider that in most markets, Windows Phone is closer in phone marketshare to iOS than iOS is to Android. That's not saying a lot. But WP is definitely at the #3 spot, and the way this market is... if they can find that itch to scratch, things could change within the course of two or three years.

    I disagree - that is saying a lot. And none of it is good. The first horse past the post was 4 lengths ahead of the second, later the same day horse number 3 dragged itself across the finish line - but, in two or three years that horse may win the Melbourne Cup!!. Maybe stick to your day job, you wouldn't last long as a bookie. Tizen, Sailfish, RIM, and Firefox (and possibly Ewebuntu) are all competing for the same low-end market sector as M$ - I seriously doubt any change in strategy by M$ is going to improve their chances. Either they totally change their business model to take on the high-end device market - and take market from the current leaders (unlikely), or they go even lower (sub $20 instead of sub $50) and take market share from that market - kind of hard to do when they pin their income on apps sales while their competition in that market either don't - Firefox/Ewebuntu), play in all the walled gardens (Sailfish - which isn't really the low-end market), or play in the Great Walled garden where M$ has no traction (Tizen, probably sell a lot more phones than Gartner and ITC report).

    To "scratch an itch" (like, um, Open Source), they need to find an unsatisfied market - and not fuck things up. Given their track record... I guess it depends how much more money they have outside the US that they need to invest (flush down the toilet) locally. (lucky for M$ they do hold Apple stock) [/cynic]

  9. What does this mean for Windows Phone? by mykro76 · · Score: 1

    When Apple wanted to double down on their iPhone platform they kissed Google off and built their own Maps and Advertising solutions. Regardless of whether they were good solutions or not, it's clear the aim was to create a complete ecosystem. Microsoft followed a similar tack for several years, investing heavily in their own Maps and Advertising systems. Now that Microsoft are selling them (or part thereof), this indicates that Microsoft is no longer interested in a complete ecosystem. Therefore this raises questions about their plan for Windows Phone.

    1. Re: What does this mean for Windows Phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What it means is that they are getting smarter and trimming some of the useless corporate fat. That is good thing.

    2. Re: What does this mean for Windows Phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What it means is that they are getting smarter and trimming some of the useless corporate fat. That is good thing.

      Compare this to our responses to Google closing 'failed' projects.
      Why the double standard?