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"Jobs" vs. "Steve Jobs": Hollywood Takes Another Stab At Telling the Steve Jobs Story

Posted by timothy on from the self-made-man dept.

theodp writes: Didn't like Jobs, the 2013 biopic about the life of Apple co-founder Steve Jobs starring Ashton Kutcher? Maybe you'll prefer Steve Jobs, the 2015 biopic about the life of Apple co-founder Steve Jobs starring Michael Fassbender. "Steve Jobs is a tech visionary, total dick," writes Esquire's Matt Patches in his mini-review of the just-released Steve Jobs trailer. So, is inspiring kids to become the "Next Steve Jobs" a good or bad thing?

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  1. We're All Dicks by thedonger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We're all dicks. It will inspire some to try to do it without dickness; others are going to be dicks regardless. Seriously, does anyone make it to the top without at least some dickness?

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    1. Re:We're All Dicks by ranton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We're all dicks. It will inspire some to try to do it without dickness; others are going to be dicks regardless. Seriously, does anyone make it to the top without at least some dickness?

      People call Steve Jobs a dick not because he was just a pushy businessman (like most other successful people) but because he really was a dick. He abandoned his daughter for years, which by itself is enough to show he was deep down not a good person. He chose financial success over his own child; other than murder or torture I cannot think of a worst act. It could be argued he became a better person later in life, since it appears he tried to rectify the worst thing he ever did. But financially supporting her after he had plenty of money is hardly a grand gesture.

      The world is probably a better place because Steve Jobs existed, but that only goes to show even the most deplorable people can have a very positive impact on the world.

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    2. Re:We're All Dicks by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure that letting your own daughter grow up in poverty because you're too selfish to admit your paternity and pay child support goes way beyond "not being squeaky clean."

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    3. Re:We're All Dicks by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure, but Jobs was a quite unnecessarily big dick to pretty much everyone, including his own daughter and Woz. I mean, is parking in a disabled space and not having plates on your car really required to be successful?

      Listen to his famous Stanford speech. "Stay foolish" is terrible advice. He was lucky, until he wasn't and his own advice to trust his gut/fate/karma instead of his doctor killed him. The whole speech is actually a classic example of the reality distortion field. Parts of it are demonstrably false, other bits clearly ridiculous, but his charisma and reputation carries it. So not only is he a dick to people around him, he's also a skilled and habitual bullshitter.

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  2. Inspire kids to be the next Woz, not Jobs by Mascot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope I won't be disillusioned by someone who has done research into Woz, but what I have heard of Woz has pretty much been all good. Seemingly kind hearted, personal integrity, not all about the money. While Jobs is the guy who lied to his supposed friend about how much he got paid for a project so he could embezzle money from said friend. I know which person I'd rather my children emulate.

    1. Re:Inspire kids to be the next Woz, not Jobs by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Steve Jobs was no saint, but he was an artist in his particular specialty. Woz, God bless him, is a great engineer and a super nice guy, but he'd still be designing hobby projects for fun and maybe have a job as a high level engineer at like HP or IBM or Intel or something today without Jobs. And that's nothing against Woz, but I just think that Woz doesn't care for that kind of success. He's probably happy he can live in some comfort, but he'd rather be an engineer than a corporate leader if he had to choose.

      Woz got a little screwed by Jobs perhaps, but are you ever truly screwed if you didn't care to begin with?

    2. Re:Inspire kids to be the next Woz, not Jobs by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Woz, God bless him, is a great engineer and a super nice guy, but he'd still be designing hobby projects for fun and maybe have a job as a high level engineer at like HP or IBM or Intel or something today without Jobs

      And isn't that a better, much more realistic goal a parent should push their kid towards than founding a global tech company? Working a well paying job that allows you to live comfortably and gives you enough free time and means to do something you enjoy at home, what more could you ask for?

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  3. Why does Jobs always steal the limelight? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Steve Wozniak as an engineer, and as a person in general, is much more of an inspiration to me.

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  4. People by msobkow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People will put up with a lot of shit if you're brilliant.

    If you're just average, they're just going to call you "Asshole!" and walk away.

    Teaching people to emulate Jobs is teaching them to be dicks, not to be brilliant.

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