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Google's Niantic Labs Sorry Over Death Camps In Smartphone Game

New submitter LunaticTippy writes: For those unfamiliar with Ingress, the game has GPS coordinate portals that correspond to real world locations, players then use smartphones to battle for control of these portals. Many public locations with historical or artistic interest are submitted by players. It turns out some of the sites were located within concentration camps such as Dachau and Sachsenhausen. NBC reports: "In a statement to The Associated Press, Niantic Labs' founder John Hanke said the company has begun removing the offending sites from the game. He said 'we apologize that this has happened.'"

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  1. What could possibly go wrong? by Megane · · Score: 3, Informative

    Give people the ability to create things tied to real world locations without any sort of moderation controls, act surprised when they pick controversial locations. Trolls gonna troll.

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    1. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Location submissions in Ingress have always required approval.

      Similarly you could request locations be removed for a variety of reasons - generally because they were on private property, were out of reach to the general public, etc. Sadly, sour grapes and even more sour players were more often the cause. A portal at my place of business was removed ostensibly because the garden was for patient recovery and meditation. Site management never even knew the game existed, let alone that Ingress players were disrupting meditation in the garden. The real reason a portal at my place of business was removed was that the opposing team didn't like a cluster of portals that was in the lap of the opposition -- so they faked a complaint to get it removed.

      Bitches gonna bitch.

    2. Re: What could possibly go wrong? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      I'd also be proactive about Mecca.

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    3. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      Give people the ability to create things tied to real world locations without any sort of moderation controls, act surprised when they pick controversial locations. Trolls gonna troll.

      If only Google had -- oh I don't know -- some sort of sophisticated mapping software or database where they could flag GPS locations ...

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    4. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Surely a game involving real-world locations, submitted by players, is so obviously vulnerable to metagaming attacks that it's almost hard to consider them metagaming at all, rather than part of the game?

    5. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have outstanding submissions anywhere from 6 months to a year right now. I just got one denied that was just over 6 months old.

      Of course, they'll take graffiti on the side of a dumpster, but they won't take actual non-death-camp historic landmarks.

      As I keep saying, their approval process is handled by a randomizer. No human can be as pathetic as their approve/deny decisions have been.

      Hell, I tried to have a portal removed from my ex-wife's house. I went out to visit our daughter, and while I was trying to explain the game, I turned on the game and it was on the house. The picture was from a commercial property miles away. They refused to remove it.

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    6. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They didn't really "do" it, they just missed what it was when they approved it. And it should be pointed out that the whole point of locations is that they be basically what the death camps are today- aka, public places, museums, etc. It's entirely possible that they were not added to troll, but simply on the idea of "hey, people are around here to learn, lets put a portal here because it is interesting for the players who come here".

      Again- Ingress portals are placed in historical and public areas.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      "The gameplay consists of establishing "portals" at places of cultural significance, such as public art, landmarks, monuments, etc."

    7. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by bickerdyke · · Score: 2

      the whole point of locations is that they be basically what the death camps are today- aka, public places, museums

      No. As a funny side note, it's amazing how some officials go out of their ways to avoid labeling these places as "museums". The new expression "documentation centeres" was coined for museums in non-museum-worthy places.

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  2. Denialist by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So is removing them and pretending those places dont exist is a better solution?

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    1. Re:Denialist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've been to Dachau, and I play ingress. Believe me, Dachau is NOT the kind of place where people should be playing a damn game in where you try to control other peoples portals. It's a very real place, and while one concentration camp is enough for one lifetime, I'd still hate the thought of people running around trying to earn points in a game while visiting Dachau where such horrible things happened.

    2. Re:Denialist by KGIII · · Score: 2

      I can not believe this has not been said thus far in the thread. I must remedy this...

      Hitler!

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    3. Re:Denialist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Definitely.

      A guy I work with plays this game. He's the kind of person who would rather sit home on his couch playing games than learn anything. But with this game, he's had to visit plenty of local monuments and historic locations.

      The kind of places that teachers would drag kids to, but due to this game, he's been there voluntarily.

  3. Ingress. by mythosaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "goal" of Ingress is to get people outside and walking around and looking at the real world.

    A lot of players use it trolling around in their cars to hit as many points as possible, but a lot of fat nerds like myself have walked around a lot of parks we might not have otherwise gotten off our fat asses for.

    I'd have rather seen a historic site -- no matter the subject -- than a few graffiti mural-ed alleys I've wandered down here in Phoenix.

  4. Re:Too late by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Funny

    The damage has been dough, you hurt my feels you insensitive bigot! Reparations for me now!!!

    well... how about a cookie? :)

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  5. I still don't get this by Guy+From+V · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Again why are they needing to apologize for approving portal locations for historic areas?

    1. Re:I still don't get this by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      Some people look for reasons to be outraged.

      Something to do with NAZI's, gay rights, or slavery is the simplified lazy-mans method of being outraged. As long as everyone is shallow, nobody will notice how simplistic and shallow your outrage is. So in essence the simplistic shallow people pat themselves on the back for being so simplistic and shallow.

      Don't see it yet? Go look at just about anyones facebook feed. A bunch of people patting themselves on the back for gay marriage in the U.S. even though 5-nines percent of them did exactly zero to support any gay rights.

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  6. I'd like "What is history?" for $500, Alex. by Loopy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When did learning about history or using historical figures, locations or groups in games or other activities become verboten? If we are to apply this crap objectively and consistently, then we need to make sure we ban everything that anyone anywhere ever could possibly be offended by, just so nobody suffers from undue loss of self-esteem or panic attacks or feel that their positions are not getting equal respect.

    Books with any controversial name? BANNED
    TV shows that say certain trigger words? BANNED
    Cars named after people or places that someone fears? BANNED
    Documentaries about terrible events in history? BANNED

    Where, pray tell, does it end? When did people lose all ability to process input on a rational and contextual basis? /smh

  7. The smartphone game trivializes Auschwitz. by westlake · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So is removing them and pretending those places dont exist is a better solution?

    It hurts my head when a geek asks a loaded --- smartass ---- question like this and gets modded up +5, Insightful.

  8. The exact opposite of what Niantic should do by smellsofbikes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The entire point of portals is that they are located at physical locations that have historical or cultural significance. https://support.google.com/ing...
    The list of the top ten most historically and culturally significant sites in the whole world would include the concentration camps.
    This is political correctness at its worst, where in seeking sensitivity it in fact hides atrocity.

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  9. oh I get it by slashmydots · · Score: 2

    This completely explains how Russian troops with smartphones keep accidentally ending up in the Ukraine. Their smartphone game said go take over a site in the Ukraine.

  10. Re:What exactly is a "death camp"? by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 2

    Crap. I've played the game extensively. At high interest sites there are a lot of portals in close proximity, so teams turn them into high level farms to accumulate inventory. You can have team of 10 or 20 people doing circuits, with a 5 minute cool down between hacks and 4 hacks per portal, a farm session generally goes for over half an hour of intensive farming, longer if the opposition shows up and a battle ensues. And this used to happen multiple times a day at the popular sites.
    I can only imagine the impact of this at somewhere like Dachau...