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AMAgeddon: Reddit Mods Are Locking Up the Site's Most Popular Pages In Protest

vivaoporto writes: As reported by CNET and TechCrunch, reddit moderators are locking up the site's most popular pages in protest against the dismissal of Victoria Taylor, a key member of the site's behind-the-scenes team. Taylor, who was the main facilitator for the site's question-and-answer community "Ask Me Anything" (graced by the presence of notables like Barack Obama, Jerry Seinfeld and regular folks like a line cook at Applebee's) was fired yesterday, causing all sorts of problems for Reddit's most mainstream offering.

Taylor's reported departure, which has been dubbed AMAgeddon, led other moderators of the marquee IAmA subreddit to switch the page's settings to private, rendering the Reddit userbase unable to view the page. Since then, dozens of other subreddits including /r/askreddit, /r/videos, /r/gaming and /r/gadgets — each with several million subscribers — have also been made private, instead re-directing readers to a static landing page.

Reddit's cofounder and executive chairman, Alexis Ohanian, said in a post, "we don't talk about specific employees. (...) We get that losing Victoria has a significant impact on the way you manage your community, (...) I'd really like to understand how we can help solve these problems, because I know r/IAMA thrived before her and will thrive after." He later apologized for how communication was handled. A full recap of the situation is available at the site itself, with insights from redditors about the whole situation.

This comes in the wake of other highly controversial events like the response to what became known as The Fappening, and the more recent ban of the controversial but popular FatPeopleHate subreddit.

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  1. Pao Wants "Safe Spaces" for Shills and Ideologues by Kunedog · · Score: 5, Informative
    One of the many reasons mods are upset is that the employee who was fired was (by all accounts) crucial to the reliability and credibility of AMAs.

    https://archive.is/ppes2

    The admins didn't realize how much we rely on Victoria. Part of it is proof, of course: we know it's legitimate when she's sitting right there next to the person and can make them provide proof. We've had situations where agents or others have tried to do an AMA as their client, and Victoria shut that shit down immediately. We can't do that anymore.

    Chooter didn't allow anyone to do fake third-party AMAs, nor did she allow anyone to pay money to do an AMA. She practiced what she preached:
    http://blog.prspeak.com/blog/p...

    My comment from Reddit's banfest a few weeks ago:

    Reddit has unbelievable traffic and reach, so stuff that earns popularity there gets spread to virtually everywhere and everyone.

    It's exposure that marketers (of anything: products, politics, whatever) would kill for. They want to buy their way in, but not if some dirty peasant can tell the truth and (through sheer merit) get voted up and be taken just as seriously (or more seriously) than their bought & paid for message.

    So Reddit sees advertisers chomping at the bit to throw money at it, but first Reddit has to demonstrate that it can crush contrary opinions at will.

    IMO redditors are right to be suspicious that Reddit suddenly removed (without explanation) the only person whom they trust to expose fake/paid AMAs.

    No, we don't know why she was fired. But even if it was for cause, what the mods and community are most angry about is the lack of communication from admins (lots of them were left hanging for scheduled AMAs, with no word from Reddit). You see this lack of communication cited over and over again in the explanations on the subreddits made private. They say it's been a problem for years, and yesterday was just the tipping point.

    Reddit's rationalization of its recent taste for censorship is that they want to create "safe spaces" to prevent abuse, harrassment, threats, terrorism, earthquakes, etc. But that is clearly a lie because they never provide evidence of such harrassment and they allow much worse subreddits like SRS to exist, and many other subreddits have been banned since FPH without even the pretense of a "harrassment" excuse, and there are other examples of uneven enforcement (e.g. the admins told KiA (the Gamergate subreddit) that they can't post public company contact info, which appears to be a "rule" unique to KiA).

    Saying the wrong thing (especially criticism of Pao) can easily get you shadowbanned, which means you can see your own posts but no one else can see them. This feature can only be used by admins (not mods), and its only legitimate use was against spammers and bots, but even that's no longer the case because tech-savvy users (e.g. spammers) know how to test for it. Now it's just a sneaky way they censor with the hope of avoiding a confrontation and backlash.

    Of course none of these unique and secret and biased rules and enforcement policies have been communicated to the community or mods either. This is almost always the real root cause behind every Reddit leadership fuckup with corresponding mod/user uprising, and this time even they and their friends in the corrupt, colluding tech news media--you know, the ones who hailed Pao as a hero of women for her frivilous failed lawsuit--can't hope to spin this user/mod revolt into a "redditor harrassment" narrative. It all started over Reddit's firing of a universally-beloved female employee, for fuck's sake. Redditors would trade

  2. Just when I thought I was out they pull me back in by Lord+Agni · · Score: 5, Funny

    I decided to give up on Reddit and come back to my roots on slashdot, and this is the top story I see.

  3. Re:Pao Wants "Safe Spaces" for Shills and Ideologu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dig 2.0 all over again.
    What these companies seem to fail to understand is that by having "the community" do their work for them without pay, they lose any kind of hold on the site and the community.
    The mods have nothing to lose by fucking up you site if you mess with them. They can move to a new site tomorrow.
    Maybe if being a mod was a payed job you could tell them what to do.

  4. Indeed by Kunedog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Put another way: If the Reddit leadership wants the mods' valuable labor to remain free as in beer, then they'd better allow it to remain free as in speech.

    1. Re:Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      how to behave a little bit

      You're talking to grown adults. There isn't anything wrong with our behaviour, nor are we the "MRA/Republican/Stromfront/Rascist/Misogyo-nerd" strawmen you and your authoritarian friends constantly paint us as.

      We are the same free minded geeks who have been around since Internet day 1. People who are jot afraid of critical discourse, thinking, and who have enough intellectual honesty to recognise censorship and dangerous abuses of power when we see them.

      It's getting tiresome to have the open, free, principled sites and communications networks we built being labeled as "septic tanks" by the likes of yourself; apologists for censorship, media panics, and general authoritarianism. Is someone saying something on the internet that offends you? Grow up. We are not burning down the bridges we have built to the future just because you have found a half dozen trolls making cruel jokes in the darkest corner of the web. There are 2 billion people online, we built this network for them, and we will not turn around and hand it over to your feelings, your agendas, or your petty lust for power.

      You people are the creationists of the internet, and you are not taking us back to the stone age.

    2. Re:Indeed by RedK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You people are the rednecks of the internet, and YEEHAW I GOTS MY FREE SPEECH BUT DON'T KNOW WHERE TO POINT IT.

      Your opinion is not the one that is objectively right, as opinions cannot be objective. So stop trying to pretend you're a good guy to everyone else being "evil". Voltaire was not evil.

      --
      "Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
      Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
    3. Re:Indeed by St.Creed · · Score: 5, Informative

      While Voltaire defended free speech, I doubt he defended a form that was as absolute as people who quote him make it out to be.

      The quote about "I will defend to the death etc." wasn't actually said BY Voltaire, but ABOUT him, by an early biographer.

      Here is a quote from the man himself, from his 1763 Treatise on Toleration: “The supposed right of intolerance is absurd and barbaric. It is the right of the tiger; nay, it is far worse, for tigers do but tear in order to have food, while we rend each other for paragraphs.”

      An example of intolerance is Goebels on the radio. Or radio presenters calling on the radio for extermination of the Hutu's in the neighbourhood, telling people where and when to gather for that, and giving out pointers on how and why you should kill the Hutu's - as Radio Milles Collines did in Rwanda. Which was absolutely crucial to the genocide taking place. I doubt Voltaire would approve of that and say "oh, it's free speech. We really should defend the right of those poor folk to criticize the Hutu's for being alive."

      There hasn't been a single great thinker or writer on free speech who also didn't recognize its limits. Or had a specific purpose in mind for free speech. Only when the debate is divorced from reality, and waged in abstract terms, do we get the pretty weird outcomes we can see today.

      --
      Therefore, by the (faulty) logic you're using, you're just a cow with a keyboard - osu-neko (2604)
  5. Reddit, schmeddit by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every time there's an article about reddit I have to visit their site to remind me exactly what reddit is.
    And at that moment I remember why I don't ever remember. I'm still not sure what it's supposed to be.

    --
    No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
  6. Re:Dugg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like 4chan is the only reasonable alternative.

    >4chan
    >reasonable alternative
    We're DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED.

  7. Re:Its because she refused to censor a question by Victor+Liu · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's suggestion that this is not the case: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI... Please do not continue to spread this rumor as it is just causing more harm.

  8. Re:Pao Wants "Safe Spaces" for Shills and Ideologu by caseih · · Score: 5, Informative

    Slashcode hasn't been open source in some time. Soylent built their site based on an older version of slashcode that was available and has modified it and improved it from there. Slashdot is built on the closed, and now completely proprietary, slashcode base.

    Please Dice, drop the silly share button and return the read more link, and the read comments link. And provide a way to turn off the video stories that get stuck inline. This is an appropriate story to remind you of this. Your money is made because of content provided for free by us.