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Microsoft Edge, HTML5, and DRM

An anonymous reader writes: Microsoft is building its new browser, Edge, with the intention of avoiding many of the flaws that plagued Internet Explorer over its long and tumultuous life. Part of this involves moving away from plug-ins, and Edge will not support ActiveX. Instead, they're focusing on interoperable media, and that means non-plug-in video players that meet HTML5 specs. Of course, not all video players want to disseminate their content for free, which means: DRM. Microsoft's Edge team has published a new post explaining how they'll be handling support for DRM and "premium media" in the new browser.

They say, "Windows 10 and Microsoft Edge support DASH, MSE, EME and CENC natively, and other major browsers ship implementations of MSE and CENC compliant EME. This support allows developers to build plug-in free web video apps that runs across a huge range of platforms and devices, with each MSE/EME implementation built on top of a different media pipeline and DRM provider. In the days when DRM systems used proprietary file formats and encryption methods, this variation in DRM providers by browser would have presented a significant issue. With the development and use of Common Encryption (CENC), the problem is substantially reduced because the files are compressed in standard formats and encrypted using global industry standards. The service provider issues the keys and licenses necessary to consume the content in a given browser, but the website code, content and encryption keys are common across all of them, regardless of which DRM is in use."

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  1. No way in hell by stevez67 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What they're glossing over with their review is that adblocker extensions, password managers, extensions that prevent video from autoplaying and etc. will not be available. And I won't use Edge because if I can't control the behavior of my web browser I won't use that web browser.

    1. Re:No way in hell by Lennie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How do you mean no extensions ?

      Now I don't know what Edge will support or does support, but the first article I found looking on Google for Microsoft Edge extensions tells me they support:
      http://imacros.net/microsoft-e...

      "Edge will have extensions, “Javascript and HTML based” – essentially very much like Chrome. No C# support."

      This means, similar model to Firefox and Chrome. Actually, many extensions work in both.

      Maybe you are confusing plugins with extensions.

      Plugins are like Flash, Java applets, Acrobat Reader all that stuff.

      You know the stuff that is usually the least secure in most currently deployed browsers.

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    2. Re:No way in hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Posting AC as I'm not sure this is public, but MS has told their corporate partners that the plugin APIs will not be ready when Windows 10 releases, and they have given no date other than 'after release.'

    3. Re:No way in hell by bmo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He didn't say "no extensions". He said,

      adblocker extensions, password managers, extensions that prevent video from autoplaying and etc. will not be available

      That may as well be "no extensions" for most people, because those are the most useful ones that get installed first with a new browser.

      So fuck him, and fuck his browser. And fuck his company. No, really, if he wants to be that user-hostile, he can take his stuff and shove it straight up his own arse.

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  2. Re:obligatory Good Luck With That by ganjadude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they spend all this time on writing DRM code... which will be blown out within a week anyway why not better spend that money and time working on actually making the browser better????

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  3. Umm... their DRM code works quite well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The XBox One has been out, nothing approaching a break, and the XBox 360 will get killed off XBL the second someone sticks a modded ROM on there.

    As for Windows, seen an activation crack for W2012 R2 or W2012, or even W8? Even fake KMS servers don't last long (a few hours at most).

    MS in the DRM department is doing quite well.

  4. "Edge" by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who comes up with these idiotic names? Why not "Microsoft Nail" or "Microsoft Lance" or "Microsoft Thing That Penetrates"?

    "Microsoft Edge" is a very '90s name to my ears, but maybe it's just the fact that I've been sitting on the porch drinking, eating barbecue and watching fireworks for the past several hours. But Microsoft was never really good at names, although I did once have a three-legged dog named "Clippy" (that's actually true).

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  5. Re:Why isn't Mozilla panicking? by KingMotley · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not a real big fan of html5test.com. The weight they assign things are very chrome favored. Just as an example, they list stupid things like :read-only, :read-write twice, and 2d blend modes (7 points) which favor Chrome, but useful things like video track and audio track selection are weighted very little (4 points).

  6. Re:Why isn't Mozilla panicking? by Daltorak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As distasteful as I find DRM, at least we see Microsoft trying to improve their web browser. With Edge they're actually succeeding in creating something that average users do want to use!

    Not exactly. Microsoft's Edge browser is still in fourth place in terms of being standards compliant,

    Err.... standards? Look, HTML5Test leans heavily on W3C working drafts which are nowhere near finished. Edge doesn't implement Web Components, streams, service workers, web notifications, speech recognition and speech synthesis. These account for about 10% of the total HTML5Test score, but they're all drafts or proposals!

    The fact that some browsers are implementing these drafts without a prefix is a PROBLEM, not a good thing. Library & web site developers end up taking dependencies on things that may very well change over time.

    Meanwhile, if you want to stick to stable, published specifications, Edge is currently the leading browser for ES6 support in terms of percentage of features implemented. As for CSS, have a look at the list of CSS features Edge doesn't support and note that for most of them, at least one of Firefox and Chrome hasn't implemented them either..... and/or they're a working draft.... or other browsers have just implemented them in the last few months.

  7. Re:obligatory Good Luck With That by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People will crack streamed DRM if there is content that's either only available there, or is available there first... If you look at most torrent sites these days you will see all kinds of content that has been ripped from streaming media sites, all of which used DRM and yet still got cracked and made available in a more convenient form via torrents.

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