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Catastrophic Chinese Floods Triggered By Air Pollution

sciencehabit writes: The worst flooding to hit China in 50 years may have been caused by air pollution, according to a new study. Soot in particular contributed to the catastrophic flooding. It prevented rainclouds from forming over the Sichuan basin, which is surrounded by mountains that trap smoke billowing from its industrial centers, and is 'notorious' for its dirty air. That in turn lead to more intense rainfall in the mountains that evening, which eventually led to the massive flooding.

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  1. The converse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't particulate matter seed clouds?

    1. Re:The converse by mr_mischief · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not a meteorologist, but this is my understand: It depends on the size and temperature of the particles, and potentially on their shape and concentration. If the particulate matter is too hot and in the air too thick, not enough water vapor condenses on each to form droplets heavy enough to fall.

      I think what they are saying in this case is once the particles cool and thin a bit, they end up carrying that moisture with them until the condensation is complete. Hitting a mountainside and mixing with the cool air above is a perfect trigger to release the rain.

      Large rain events often happen when a warm, wet mass of air mixes with a cooler, dryer mass of air that can't hold that level of moisture. The particulate matter is just one of a number of variables.

    2. Re:The converse by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      My take was that the pollution "moved" the rain to fall faster, on harder ground (mountainsides).

       

    3. Re:The converse by dave420 · · Score: 1

      "... this is my understanding" :)

  2. FTFA by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fan and her co-authors ran two forecasts for the weather system that passed over the Sichuan basin during the peak of the floods: one with the thick blanket of smoke that covered the region and one with the kind of clean air that existed 40 years ago, before the Chinese economic boom. In the clean air model, moist air at Earth’s surface was heated by the daytime sun, became buoyant, and rose to great heights, triggering a convective cycle that led to storm clouds and mild daytime rainfall. But in the dirty air model, the dark veil over the plain soaked up much of the sun’s warmth high in the atmosphere, while simultaneously cooling the streets and fields below. This altered thermal structure stabilized the daytime atmosphere and suppressed rainfall. But as night fell, the moist air mass moved northward toward the Longmen Mountains, which tower some 2000 meters above the basin. The weather system that had been building energy over the plains for 12 hours was driven upward as it collided with the range’s steep contours, triggering the postponed convection. A day’s worth of rainfall from the plains was focused into a few hours over a handful of mountain valleys.

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    1. Re:FTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ugh, that last sentence is just terrible. It really should've said, "All the potential rainfall that had accumulated over the course of the day was released in a sudden downpour that overwhelmed mountain valleys in a matter of hours."

  3. Re:Bogus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes, the aerosol particles in smoke can reduce or delay rain. Sometimes, they can make thunderstorms more intense.

    Now where have I heard this kind of reasoning before?

  4. Re:Bogus by itsenrique · · Score: 1

    Many examples of natural science?

  5. Climate Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Donald Trump must be right when he says it was made up by the Chinese.

  6. Re:Bogus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My theory says X is responsible for Y, except when it's responsible for NOT "Y".

    My theory accounts for all outcomes!

  7. Re:Bogus by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    A Rush song?

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  8. Misread the title by allquixotic · · Score: 1

    Catastrophic Chinese FOODS triggered by air pollution.

    I could believe that.

    1. Re:Misread the title by nawcom · · Score: 1

      same here

    2. Re:Misread the title by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      That makes at least three of us.

      But now I want noodles anyway.

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  9. Re:This is heresy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't tell if you're actually a conservative or a clever troll.

  10. I am pretty sure the actual cause of the floods... by tlambert · · Score: 1, Funny

    I am pretty sure the actual cause of the floods... was water.

    Also, if they'd just let it float across the Pacific to California, like it used to, it'd solve a lot of problems for everyone.

  11. Re:This is heresy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone's unreasonably perturbed.

  12. Re:This is heresy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    clever is a stretch.

  13. Re:Bogus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you're referring to YYZ, then yes.

    If you're NOT referring to YYZ, then yes.

  14. Re:I am pretty sure the actual cause of the floods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am pretty sure the actual cause of the floods... was water.

    Also, if they'd just let it float across the Pacific to California, like it used to, it'd solve a lot of problems for everyone.

    I think the OP's intention was to suggest California about turn on their attempts to lower the SMOG levels.

  15. Re:This is heresy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Whatever it is, it's definitely flamebait. Modded as such.

  16. Re:Bogus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Either way, my theory can account for it!

    It predicts all outcomes!

  17. Re: Bogus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and the green grass grows all around all around, and the green grass grows all around

  18. Re:Bogus by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

    But in the dirty air model, the dark veil over the plain soaked up much of the sun's warmth high in the atmosphere, while simultaneously cooling the streets and fields below. This altered thermal structure stabilized the daytime atmosphere and suppressed rainfall.

    But as night fell, the moist air mass moved northward toward the Longmen Mountains, which tower some 2000 meters above the basin. The weather system that had been building energy over the plains for 12 hours was driven upward as it collided with the range's steep contours, triggering the postponed convection. A day's worth of rainfall from the plains was focused into a few hours over a handful of mountain valleys.

    I know, I know... "Read the article" blah blah...
    =Smidge=

  19. Inversion layer by techno-vampire · · Score: 2

    I grew up in Los Angles, and the first thing I thought of when I RTFM was that it sounded like an inversion layer. Checking with Wikipedia, I found that it's probably caused by Capping inversion. In fact, I'm almost a tad astonished that none of the climate scientists involved in the study recognized it, although it's possible that none of them came from an area that's subject to such things and had no first-hand experience with the phenomenon.

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    1. Re:Inversion layer by khallow · · Score: 3, Funny
      From the Wikipedia article:

      If the capping inversion layer or "cap" is too strong (too close to the surface), it will prevent thunderstorms from developing.

      Perhaps the soot is increasing the effect of the capping inversion? But I'm sure it's just more scientists so colossally ignorant that they failed to check Slashdot first.

    2. Re:Inversion layer by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      My guess is that whoever wrote the article either didn't know the right terminology or didn't think that the audience would. Or, of course, the scientists could have "dumbed down" their explanation so that the journalist could understand it.

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    3. Re:Inversion layer by tobiasly · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I grew up in Los Angles, and the first thing I thought of when I RTFM

      Wait a minute, the give you a manual on how to live in Los Angeles? That actually makes a lot of sense.

    4. Re:Inversion layer by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Nice comment, and it just might help newcomers if there were such a manual. Alas, I meant to type RTFA, and used the wrong finger-macro.

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    5. Re:Inversion layer by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      Sadly this phenomenon isn't limited to just Slashdot. Most forums seem to be the same. I bet it goes back to the dawn of time too. There was probably some caveman rubbing two sticks together, and another couple watching from their armchairs and commenting that the fiction would never be enough to enable combustion.

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  20. Re:Bogus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My theory says X is responsible for Y, then I make sure my theory is consistent by throwing out all the times when I got NOT Y, because I know better than nature! My model is FLAWLESS!!

  21. Re:Bogus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My theory predicts only the outcomes I accept as possible outcomes, because my theory says that those are the only possible outcomes and my theory is RIGHT! You need to have FAITH in my theory!

  22. Clear Air California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So one could say we need more pollution in CA to get over the drought?

    1. Re: Clear Air California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could say that the right human intervention could address the drought.

      Now pick what to do based on a cost/effectiveness metric that is cheaper than say, buying out thousands of farms.

  23. Chinese Catastrophic FOODS?!? by macs4all · · Score: 1

    I read the Headline as "Catastrophic Chinese FOODS Triggered By Air Pollution"

    I thought "Yeah, I didn't feel too well after eating at the Chinese Buffet the other day; but WTF?!?"

    1. Re:Chinese Catastrophic FOODS?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better start reading at 0 because you're the fourth to say this :D

  24. Re:This is heresy by frovingslosh · · Score: 2

    It is a shame that I can't be both.

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  25. Re: This is heresy by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    Not all conservatives are religious idiots, just the great bulk and loudest of them.

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  26. Re:uh.. no? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It rained a whole days worth of rain in a few hours, and that was catastrophic. But I guess inability to read is okay as long as you are trying to look smart?

  27. 73cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those are Socialist units! How many Libraries Of Congress is that...and how does it compare to the size of Texas?

  28. Re: This is heresy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always wondered what Colbert's persona would be like if he had no sense of comedy or style. Now I know.

  29. Chinese Foods? by bmomjian · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one who read the title as "Catastrophic Chinese Foods Triggered By Air Pollution", and I am thinking, how does food cause pollution? That must have been some nasty food. ;-)

    1. Re:Chinese Foods? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      +5

      I am not suggesting your moderation. I am counting the people who can not read. ;) (Ctrl + F; food; enter == You are slow on the uptake and did not even read to the bottom before posting.)

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  30. The number one cause by Dasher42 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The number one cause of flooding in China is, and has been for a long time, that the ability of the watershed to retain water and let it move through slowly has been degraded by some of the longest-term use of the plow on the face of the planet. The Loess Plateau, the original homeland of the Han people, shows some of the most horrific erosion ever. It's been reduced to near-desert conditions, and rainwater washes off from it unabsorbed, carrying silt, right into the river that's called Yellow because of just that.

    Air pollution just adds to this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    1. Re:The number one cause by Dasher42 · · Score: 1

      "the ability of the watershed to retain water and let it move through slowly. [The land] has been degraded by "

      Darn touchpads.

  31. Re:This is heresy by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

    It actually is both. Perception is all there is.

  32. Re:uh.. no? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "a whole days worth of rain" is entirely subjective. A heavy rainfall for a few hours in one place is almost certainly going to translate to a heavy rainfall for a few hours in a slightly different place.

  33. Anyone else? by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 0

    Did anyone else read "Catastrophic Chinese Food..."?

    1. Re:Anyone else? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      +6

      Your rush to seem witty resulted in your failure to read the thread. You are the sixth person to state this.

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    2. Re:Anyone else? by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      Luckily we have people like you to hunt down and expose people like me who only *seem* witty.

    3. Re:Anyone else? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You should thank your lucky stars then. Sheesh. I have to do everything around here.

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  34. Eugenics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a special kind of idiot, and not even funny despite trying so hard. When I invent a time machine I will find all four of your great grandfathers and kick them in the cock a couple of times to do the world a favor.

    Idiots have a right to exist too. I'm wondering though, even accepting the desirability of genetic sanitation, whether neutering all four of his great-grandfathers doesn't introduce too much redundancy?

  35. Re: This is heresy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ouch!