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Judge Calls Malibu Media "Troll", Denies Subpoena

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes: In what could be the beginning of the end of the Malibu Media litigation wave involving alleged BitTorrent downloads of porn films, Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein in Manhattan federal court has denied Malibu Media's request for a subpoena to get the subscriber's name and address from his or her internet service provider. In his 11-page decision (PDF), Judge Hellerstein discussed "copyright trolls" and noted that (a) it is not clear that Malibu Media's porn products are entitled to copyright protection, (b) discussed some of its questionable litigation practices, (c) Malibu's "investigation" leads at best to an IP address rather than to an individual infringer, (d) there is a major risk of misidentification, (e) Malibu has no evidence that the individual John Doe committed any act of infringement, and (f) Malibu's claim that there is no other practical way for it to target infringement was not supported by adequate evidence.

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  1. If the Motion Picture is considered obscene... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "if the Motion Picture is considered obscene, it may not be eligible for copyright protection."

    This is a win for us all. I consider everything Hollywood produces obscene.

    1. Re:If the Motion Picture is considered obscene... by taustin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Obscene has a specific (if very fuzzy) legal definition. Essentially, until it's been ruled obscene by a court, it isn't. This is a canard, by a pissed off judge. (Fortunately, the rest of his reasoning is pretty solid.)

  2. Re:Victory for common sense! by bobbied · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not so sure I agree that this make sense...

    Where I don't really care about supporting the trolls and how they do business, common law says that you have the right to protect your intellectual property (i.e. that copyrighted thing) in the civil courts. Unless it is possible to discover the owner/user of that IP address though a subpoena I don't see how you can control infringement though the civil courts. There may be valid reason for this judge to refuse to issue THIS subpoena but it surely cannot be a blanket rule now that you cannot force an ISP to rat out their subscribers in civil court. Your point that an IP is not an ID, really is a red herring. Of course it's not, but it does allow the troll to request additional subpoenas to further investigate and determine if the person who's name goes on the ISP's bill is really the one likely who infringed or not. This is civil court after all...

    I think that if this troll can prove they have a copyright on the material and the right to enforce it, they will have a good case to appeal this decision and it will likely be overturned. Common law demands it.

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  3. Judge Hellerstein by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 3, Informative

    Judge Hellerstein is on a roll.

  4. Re:F? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hi, NYCL! I haven't noticed you around here much lately. Is item F even a thing? Since when does the difficulty of enforcing a law allow judicial expansion of the law? I thought that idea had been thoroughly buried a long time ago.

    I have to agree with you Jane Q. For 10 years I've been trying to wake the courts up to the fact that they're not supposed to bend the law to help content owners just because the content owners don't know who committed the infringement. Glad to see them coming around.

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  5. Re:Copyright trolls going down is a good thing by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hi Ray, nice to see the NYCL moniker around here again. I have a few questions if you're willing. First, you indicate that a judge has denied discovery due to several factors, one being that an IP address does not identify any particular individual. Can you speak to the weight or breadth of this specific Court's opinion here, in layman's terms? I see references to the Eastern and Southern districts of New York, might this decision influence cases outside of those jurisdictions?

    It's not binding on anyone. But Judge Hellerstein is a very well respected judge, so it will probably have a lot of 'persuasive authority'.

    Second, this business of "if the Motion Picture is considered obscene, it may not be eligible for copyright protection." I've read about certain cases where the Court stated that obscenity has no rigid definition, but "I'll know it when I see it." Does that have any bearing on the Malibu case? Was this some kind of completely outrageous pornography, where any community standard would likely find it to be obscene, or was it just run-of-the-mill porn? Would it matter either way? Would the opinion have likely been the same if the case involved a blockbuster Hollywood film instead of a pornographic and potentially obscene film?

    I haven't researched that question yet, and I may well be litigating that issue in the near future, since I have several cases against Malibu Media which are now in litigation mode... so all I can say is, stay tuned.

    Lastly, I'm curious whether or not you've kept up with developments in the case regarding Prenda Law, and how you might compare this case to that one, if at all. I try to read Ken White's PopeHat blog every once in awhile to see how poorly the Prenda copyright trolls are faring. It doesn't look good for Prenda, and I wonder if you would put Malibu in the same proverbial boat.

    The Prenda people are a bunch of strange people who, based on reports I've read, may well wind up doing jail time. I know nothing about the Malibu Media people. If I did find out something really bad about them in would probably wind up in my court papers if relevant to the case or to their credibility.

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  6. Re:Victory for common sense! by gnasher719 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm not so sure I agree that this make sense...

    You didn't read the judges 11 page opinion then, where he makes his reasons very clear. Among other things, the trolls claim that they need the information to take people to court, but they never do; they just abuse the courts as a cheap way to get information for their blackmail scheme.

    The point that an IP is not an ID is exactly the point here, because the copyright troll wouldn't have any right to the name of anyone than the copyright infringer. And the fine judge found out that these copyright trolls have in several instances just ignored court orders and have just lied to the courts.

  7. Re:Victory for common sense! by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's apparently a blanket rule against using the court system to conduct fishing expeditions.

    If so, most judges have been unaware of it these past 10 years.

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