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Intel's Software Chief Out; Botched McAfee Deal To Blame?

jfruh writes: Renee James, Intel's president and head of the company's software group has departed, supposedly to "pursue other opportunities." But a high-profile heir apparent doesn't just leave voluntarily, and it seems likely that she is in part taking the fall for Intel's acquisition of McAfee, the promised synergies of which have failed to materialize. Intel is a traditionally very stable company, but there's been a lot of churn in the upper ranks lately.

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  1. Fuck McAfee by sexconker · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Fuck McAfee
    Mod +5 Insightful because you know it is.

    1. Re:Fuck McAfee by WSOGMM · · Score: 1

      Fuck McAfee Mod +5 Insightful because you know it is.

      How about the best free alternative to McAfee?

    2. Re:Fuck McAfee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck McAfee
      Mod +5 Insightful because you know it is.

      How about the best free alternative to McAfee?

      Sod off.

      This story is clearly SWJ bait.

      Let's keep the discussion on the evil men of silicon valley.

    3. Re:Fuck McAfee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How about the best free alternative to McAfee?"

      I only know of two: clamav and ClamWin, and IMO the detection is poor but sometimes you get really, really lucky and score a real and serious trojan/rootkit which the others fail to find. I use clamav/ClamWin as an alternative with other tools on hand on my flashUSBdrive.

      I wish the rootkit scanner in Microsoft's SysInternals-Suite would be updated to modern times, that fucker was the only program which caught the SONY BMG rootkit while none of the antivirus software did.

    4. Re:Fuck McAfee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF is SWJ?

    5. Re:Fuck McAfee by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fuck McAfee Mod +5 Insightful because you know it is.

      No, I won't. And no I don't.
      It's two words that give no illumination on the subject. How do you suppose that enlightens anyone? Hint: your sexual preferences aren't interesting.

      How about:-

      I have no idea what the purchase price was for McAfee, or what it's existing revenue stream was/is - but I have to wonder whether the people that made the decision truly consider it's effect on Intel's image, and whether they costed a plan to turn around the scumbag image McAfee has. ?

    6. Re:Fuck McAfee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least the guy who decided to distribute McAfee as a bundled crapware really deserves to be sacked. Do they really believe that people like a virus protection software that appears into their machines just as a malware does when they do a blind next-next-next-ok -install sequence to a completely unrelated application?

    7. Re: Fuck McAfee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, Google is down for you?

      Social Wustice Jarrior

    8. Re:Fuck McAfee by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

      Fuck McAfee Mod +5 Insightful because you know it is.

      How about the best free alternative to McAfee?

      I've been using this product which appears to catch quite a lot of different viruses. Now, I'm not really an expert on viruses so it is possible that it false-flags innocent things and makes itself look *really* impressive to me without actually being really impressive. However I'm so impressed that I intend buying the full product. The McAfee crapware that came with the PC was raising alerts for things like "no internet protection" yet failed to find any viruses, while this product found quite a few on my PC that the default windows AV missed.

      When it isn't sure about a file it uploads it (or maybe just a hash) to their server where it then compares with others who have the same file. Sometimes it comes back with "safe" for the files it uploaded, sometimes "still known" and sometimes "malware".

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    9. Re:Fuck McAfee by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      WTF is SWJ?

      I use LOL as a nickname (shortcut) in Opera for http://www.acronymfinder.com/ had to use it this time myself.

    10. Re:Fuck McAfee by pop+ebp · · Score: 4, Informative

      What? This is the Chinese antivirus vendor that was caught cheating in antivirus tests not long ago.

      In China, local antivirus software vendors have a reputation of being shady, often bundling questionable software and forcibly removing their competitors' software (imagine that!). I heard the "international" versions are less aggressive, but personally I still wouldn't let any of them near any of my computers. This is the first time I heard someone outside China using those.

      I can never understand why people use or even buy antivirus software from not-so-trustworthy vendors when Microsoft offers one for free that is fast and effective.

    11. Re:Fuck McAfee by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Intel paid $7.68 billion for McAfee. While their consumer products are notoriously crappy they do actually have some cred for their business software. Most of their business is providing services to companies such as email archival, spam protection and anti-virus. Software as a Service as they call it, or running an external mail server as the rest of us would say. They make high end encryption products too, that have all the various certifications needed for government work.

      It's still not really clear what Intel hoped to gain by buying McAfee... Did they want in to those markets, or were they hoping to add new security features to their CPUs?

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    12. Re:Fuck McAfee by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      What? This is the Chinese antivirus vendor that was caught cheating in antivirus tests not long ago.

      In China, local antivirus software vendors have a reputation of being shady, often bundling questionable software and forcibly removing their competitors' software (imagine that!). I heard the "international" versions are less aggressive, but personally I still wouldn't let any of them near any of my computers. This is the first time I heard someone outside China using those.

      See, this is where the value in /. comes from - the comments to the article, not the article itself. I honestly haven't kept up to date with AV news and didn't know all this (good thing I didn't pay them already!). If I could I'd mod your post up.

      I can never understand why people use or even buy antivirus software from not-so-trustworthy vendors when Microsoft offers one for free that is fast and effective.

      I already have security esstentials and ClamAV and one other one that I don't quite remember right now (bitdefender?) installed. I figured it couldn't hurt to add another one. TBH, the software itself doesn't look at all dodgy even if it does have UI issues. It looks and appears to behave in a completely legit manner.

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    13. Re:Fuck McAfee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, this is where the value in /. comes from - the comments to the article, not the article itself. I honestly haven't kept up to date with AV news and didn't know all this (good thing I didn't pay them already!). If I could I'd mod your post up.

      Good thing I posted in time too!

      I already have security esstentials and ClamAV and one other one that I don't quite remember right now (bitdefender?) installed. I figured it couldn't hurt to add another one. TBH, the software itself doesn't look at all dodgy even if it does have UI issues. It looks and appears to behave in a completely legit manner.

      I guess they really toned it down for the international version. The Chinese version was pretty bad.

      With so many antivirus installed, won't your computer become super slow? I am no expert but I do catch up on security news and it seems nowadays, with malware evolving so fast, the best way to stay secure is to be viligant as a user. In my opinion, blacklist-based solutions such as antivirus are useful as an additional line of defense, but I wouldn't want to depend solely on them.

    14. Re:Fuck McAfee by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      360 Total Security IS MALWARE!!! Sorry, to tell you, but you've been had. And yes, it's pervasive in the Chinese market.

      http://www.wiki-security.com/w...

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    15. Re:Fuck McAfee by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Stay away from free antivirus software as most of the threats are real-time lasting in a window of 12 to a few hours. These free programs only detect a known history of malware and not the currently drive-by-downloads that often are the main source of infection via the Internet.

      I recommend just paying for one. They range about $40 bucks a year. Personally, I use VIPRE Antivirus both at home. I was forced to use it at work, but warmed up to it over 6 months. Per the log files from prior workstation scans, it really clears out a lot of malware and its remnants. In addition, new updates are checked every hour or so. Though I would look into Norton, Trend Micro, or Bit Defender as alternatives if you prefer as they're top-tier programs too.

      As for VIPRE, these are the guys behind it; http://www.threattracksecurity...

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    16. Re:Fuck McAfee by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1

      Someone mod that up as informative. Please?

      Intel paid $7.68 billion for McAfee. While their consumer products are notoriously crappy they do actually have some cred for their business software. Most of their business is providing services to companies such as email archival, spam protection and anti-virus. Software as a Service as they call it, or running an external mail server as the rest of us would say. They make high end encryption products too, that have all the various certifications needed for government work.

      Thanks - that I would've moderated as informative (but I've already posted in this story, sorry).

      It's still not really clear what Intel hoped to gain by buying McAfee... Did they want in to those markets, or were they hoping to add new security features to their CPUs?

      Yeah - it seems weird, but I'm entirely ignorant of what other investments Intel has. I could jest that they bought McAfee as a public service - with plans to keep the crappy stuff they push off the market. (actually, I just did. Badly).

      I'd forgotten about the PGP side of McAfee - Intel® AES-NI??

    17. Re:Fuck McAfee by goose-incarnated · · Score: 0

      360 Total Security IS MALWARE!!! Sorry, to tell you, but you've been had. And yes, it's pervasive in the Chinese market.

      http://www.wiki-security.com/w...

      The one you linked to doesn't sound like the one I linked to/one I installed. There are too many differences between the two. The one I linked to differs from the one you linked to as follows:

      1. It doesn't prompt for payment; it just quarantines then deletes.

      2. It hasn't stopped the other AVs running nor flagged them as virus.

      3. The other AVs don't detect it as malware. I'd have expected at least the MS AV to flag it.

      4. It wasn't bundled with anything else.

      5. I haven't seen any pop-ups from it (from anything, actually)

      6. The only times it connects to the internet is when I click on the "analyse" button (Due to large bandwidth charges I log all my internet traffic).

      7. It is significantly newer than 2009 - the one you linked to appears to be from 2009?

      After all, I *did* say it /appears/ to behave in a legitimate manner. Realistically, it does not push any of my "be careful of this" buttons. Also, the previous poster responding to me posted a link to the El Reg article which says that, while it may not be effective/cheat on AV tests, it certainly isn't malware.

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    18. Re:Fuck McAfee by ITRambo · · Score: 0

      360 TS is not malware. Caught cheating, in this case, means that 360 Total Security had Bitdefender engine turned on in advance. Normally, a user needs to click on the Birdefender icon and a switch above it to download the engine to use it. That's not hard to do. Since then a new basic version with Bitdefender preinstalled has been released. All 360 TS version work well as long as you download and automatically install the Bitdefender engine. The Avira engine can also be installed. I find the program to work quite well. On my business macines I use Kaspersky, which has been excellent for many years. If concerned about 360 TS, Panda, Avira, and Bitdefender have free versions available that are all quite good.

    19. Re:Fuck McAfee by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      http://www.360.cn/ is malware. I can't name the company, but I was tasked with cleaning up a network and its PCs. I found this throwing all sorts of suspicious activity on the network and installing PUPs (Possibly Unwanted Programs) in the background. It's a suite of crapware and quite invasive to the overall Windows UI.

      Now, it's possible there was a crafted malware version that looked like a legitimate program, but I'm not going to take the risk with the "legitimate" version of 360 Security.

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    20. Re:Fuck McAfee by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      http://www.360.cn/ is malware.

      That site certainly sets off the alarm bells. The one I used doesn't set off any bells - look at the corporate non-apology they issued for being accused of cheating. I'm pretty certain the reputable Labs that accused them of cheating would have made it known if it was malware.

      I can't name the company, but I was tasked with cleaning up a network and its PCs. I found this throwing all sorts of suspicious activity on the network and installing PUPs (Possibly Unwanted Programs) in the background. It's a suite of crapware and quite invasive to the overall Windows UI.

      Now, it's possible there was a crafted malware version that looked like a legitimate program, but I'm not going to take the risk with the "legitimate" version of 360 Security.

      I can't say I blame you. It's getting harder to tell malware from legit software. I might just roll my own tripwire type system for windows - all I need to do is log to a network machine every single process that opened a file for writing :-)

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    21. Re:Fuck McAfee by secretsquirel · · Score: 0

      Just uninstall Flash.

    22. Re:Fuck McAfee by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      http://www.360safe.com/about.h...

      It's all Qihoo

      Qihoo 360 Technology Co. Ltd. (Qihoo 360) is a leading Internet and mobile platform company in China, measured by user base. By September 2014, Qihoo 360 had about 495 million monthly active Internet users, and over 673 million mobile users.

      Recognizing security as a fundamental need of all Internet and mobile users, Qihoo 360 built a large user base by offering comprehensive, effective and user-friendly Internet and mobile security products. Qihoo 360 strives to provide services that protect users' computers and mobile devices against malware and malicious websites.

      Our products and services are supported by our cloud-based security technology, which is recognized as the top in the Internet security industry. We believe that our product line up is one of the most advanced and robust technologies in the Internet security industry.

      On the PC platform, Qihoo 360 offers 3 important products for users to safely access Internet – web browser, app store and search engine. Qihoo 360 also provides two important Internet access point on the mobile platform – mobile web browser and app store.

      Qihoo 360 monetizes its user base through online advertisement and other value added services.

      Qihoo 360 is one of top three Internet companies measured by user base.

      I can't give you an absolute or who to trust, or trust more, but Qihoo ranks at the bottom of the list IMHO. Some AV labs report that it in fact does provide good protection (at least in 2014). But, at the same time it peddles ads and PUPs which can be vectors for malware in-of-itself.

      Oh, and AVG is on my shit-list too. Their browser toolbar is really difficult to remove unless you use something like Autoruns to pull out the BHO (Browser Helper Object).

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    23. Re:Fuck McAfee by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      I can't give you an absolute or who to trust, or trust more, but Qihoo ranks at the bottom of the list IMHO.

      This thread has got me really depressed about AV software - even the one you recommended would cause me to think twice - from their FAQ:

      Yes! Both VIPRE Antivirus 2015 and VIPRE Internet Security 2015 automatically remove your existing antivirus program and replace it with VIPRE.

      Any software that wants to remove/disable existing AV is going to be regarded as suspect. I did a quick search for a tripwire system and found this which appears (on the face of it) to be legit. Will look at the sources for it once I get home, but at least an open-source system won't be as compromised as a downloaded binary.

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    24. Re:Fuck McAfee by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      To be fair to McAfee, their stinger app isn't too bad. I think their detection system is actually quite reasonable, it's just the consumer front end that is filled with hatred and contempt for the user. Apparently their enterprise stuff, endpoint security or whatever they call it these days, is okay. Seems incredible, doesn't it?

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    25. Re:Fuck McAfee by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      Yes, quite normal for any AV to replace an existing AV application. Nothing new about this behavior. It's only foul-play if the users is not made aware of it. That's because you do NOT want to be running multiple AV programs at the same time. More often then not, the Windows kernel will freak-out and could throw a BSOD.

      By the way, in a corporate deployment of managed anti-virus, existing AV programs get removed by the native uninstall routine of whatever is replacing it. A subsequent reboot is required to unload it from memory. It doesn't always go according to plan however, so IT sometimes has to do things manually and use a specific AV vendor's removal tool which pull out remnant files and registry entries left behind from a botched uninstall.

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    26. Re:Fuck McAfee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Single White Justice?

    27. Re:Fuck McAfee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget, John McAfee himself said that McAfee software is the worst software on the planet. Why would anyone want to buy a company that the company's founder has publicly disparaged so badly?

    28. Re:Fuck McAfee by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2

      They had new security features in their CPU's already. They needed partners in the security industry to integrate same.

      McAfee was an early partner. Intel thought they did a reasonably good job at integrating the new features (prototypes of DeepCommand, etc.). At the time, Intel's hardware lines were saturating (except in mobile where they were still scrambling to catch up), they thought they'd done OK with the Wind River acquisition, so why not buy an evergreen cash generator of a software company? So they did.

      Of course, it sort of borked their relationship with the rest of the security industry. And neither McAfee nor Intel really zoomed from the "synergy", but it's generated revenue for Intel so it wasn't an awful acquisition - just one Intel thought would do a lot more than it actually did.

      Intel (Renee James included), never really got software. At their heart, they're a hardware manufacturing company. And that leaks all over the rest of the organization - hardware and software. The impedance mismatch between the manufacturing-oriented management and the software organizations are really too great to be overcome - software is a stretch too far (let alone their abortive attempts at consumer products, about which I shall make no further comment).

      Intel should continue to acquire strategic software organizations, but leave them as independent operating entities. Because, as it is right now, Intel is simply the Roach Motel of software acquisitions.

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    29. Re:Fuck McAfee by viega · · Score: 3, Informative
      My (somewhat informed, but could still be wrong) guess as to what Intel was thinking at the time (remembering that this was about 5 years ago):

      Intel had made a big investment in enterprise chipsets with features like VT and AMT. They were hoping to speed up enterprise hardware refresh rates for a decade or so by continuing to provide highly compelling enterprise features in hardware.

      One area they thought held particular promise was security. They were interested in AV companies leveraging a combination of VT and AMT to provide a more secure environment-- basically they wanted to see host-based security technology live outside the end-user's OS, but still reach in to detect and protect. That way, if a box did get popped, you could still update signatures, etc and have some reasonable hope that you could actually repair the OS without wiping it. Lots of other little bits in the vision.

      The big problem for Intel was that they needed security vendors to build and sell software on top of this platform. But it was a bit of a "chicken and egg" problem, where there wasn't enough of a hardware footprint to justify a product investment, and so there wasn't enough compelling reason for people to pay extra for the hardware.

      Intel pushed most A/V companies hard for some investment in the area, and McAfee actually did peel off a SMALL team to work on it (quite possibly the best engineering team w/in McAfee actually). They spent maybe a year making some good progress, and then when DeWalt was trimming down to save costs, that team got cut.

      I'd heard that Intel was enraged. I can imagine them thinking they needed to control their own destiny-- get the security software built that they thought would drive faster hardware refreshes. McAfee had been the most amenable, and was definitely primping itself to be acquired.

      By the way, McAfee does NOT own PGP. They'd spun it back out, and it got re-acquired by Symantec.

    30. Re:Fuck McAfee by viega · · Score: 1
      The "crown jewel" of McAfee is ePO -- "ePolicy Orchestrator". Basically centralized management for your AV deployment (and will even managed SYMC AV), as well as any other McAfee product, and a host of 3rd party security products that have integrated into the ecosystem.

      It STILL dominates the enterprise market, no matter how crap McAfee AV is.

    31. Re:Fuck McAfee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can never understand why people use or even buy antivirus software from not-so-trustworthy vendors when Microsoft offers one for free that is fast and effective.

      I can never understand why people trust the same vendor that made their operating system swiss cheese enough to allow all these virus and malware programs on board to provide adequate security software to fill holes in said swiss cheese.

      "We didn't design the barn door with a lock, but we have this goat that we trained to close the barn door every once in a while!" -Microsoft Security

    32. Re:Fuck McAfee by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1

      My (somewhat informed, but could still be wrong) guess as to what Intel was thinking at the time (remembering that this was about 5 years ago):

      [...]

      Interesting.

      By the way, McAfee does NOT own PGP. They'd spun it back out, and it got re-acquired by Symantec.

      My mistake. (thanks).

    33. Re:Fuck McAfee by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1
      Vipre is shit.

      > History:
      Tiny Personal Firewall (the best firewall), is acquired by Keiro. Keiro Personal Firewall - still good, but the interface is dumbed down, and it has some issues.
      Keiro's non-enterprise division is acquired by SunBelt. The Firewall and AntiVirus "suite" is garbage nearly at this point --- both hose your system if you install them. They are problematic to install, overly complex and unstable.

      Sunbelt gets acquired by ... yeah I don't recall now, but an "enterprise" company.

      Oh, here it is:

      Sunbelt Software was acquired by GFI Software Inc., in 2010, becoming the GFI Software Security Business Unit. GFI Software is a leading provider of IT solutions for small and medium businesses, and its Security Business Unit continued to develop and enhance VIPRE, ThreatAnalyzer and ThreatIQ among other security solutions.

      GFI Software announced plans to spin off its Security Business Unit in 2013, when ThreatTrack began operations as an independent company.

      Maybe it doesn't completely suck anymore? Yet at one point, their software was so shitty, many of us went back to the Keiro version from 2005, before they were acquired by SunBelt.

    34. Re:Fuck McAfee by nmb3000 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I already have security esstentials and ClamAV and one other one that I don't quite remember right now (bitdefender?) installed. I figured it couldn't hurt to add another one.

      Poe's Law strikes again...

      Installing one anti-virus suite is a questionable decision. Two is moronic. More than that and you probably should stick to a LeapFrog.

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    35. Re:Fuck McAfee by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Try Eset, they don't advertise much to home users, they are in alot of security publications and have a great reputation.

    36. Re:Fuck McAfee by KGIII · · Score: 1

      See also MBAM. You can pirate it and have it free for a year too. They are having an amnesty program for pirates. If you do not want a live scanning utility (and you should only have one real time scanner) then just use MBAM to double-check if you want. Or replace the other with it. Or just practice safe hex. I have run without AV on a Windows box for ages. I scan once a week (or less) and call it good. I keep things a bit locked down and I try to not do stupid stuff.

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    37. Re:Fuck McAfee by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      For free at home, I use Comodo (I know there's controversy, but it's worked well for me and others I know for years). If I wanted to pay or at work, I'd recommend ESET.

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    38. Re:Fuck McAfee by DigiShaman · · Score: 0

      It turned around starting with VIPRE Business 5. It's now on 7. But yes, the product was handed off multiple times.

      Keiro --> SunBelt --> GFI --> ThreatAttack

      It's OK, for enterprise Norton would be the best. Bit Defender isn't bad from what I hear. But for the SMB and home market, VIPRE Business seems to do the job.

      My opinions on AV software in general change every year. Who knows, next year it might suck again. :/

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    39. Re:Fuck McAfee by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      So get a free security suite. Comodo IS for instance is HIPS, Firewall, Sandbox and the like, and will block or sandbox things it doesn't recognize, well before there's a signature. It also can use their cloud engine for near realtime signature updates for the lightly used AV engine (it's not needed much as HIPS etc blocks before AV would scan in my experience)...

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    40. Re:Fuck McAfee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      portable app version of Clamwin plus the Dr Webb standalone make for a pretty effective "plan b" if you've gotten something on your pc that already-installed software seems to be missing. It's not perfect, but i've picked up a few things there that would have otherwise have been missed.

    41. Re:Fuck McAfee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use Vipre antivirus, it has a good licensing model (10 pc license for $70 or so a year), appears to be quite effective in reviews i have read, Is lightweight and easy to use and includes a pretty flexible firewall too.

      I started using it to replace McAffee, which turned into a cleveland steamer shortly after the refund window expired from my online purchase.

    42. Re:Fuck McAfee by msim · · Score: 1

      I've installed Vipre on a pc after doing a refresh, and it doesn't "automatically uninstall" software, what it does is index potentially conflicting software at the very start of the install process and gives you a prompt asking if you wish to continue with the install, ignoring the fact that the software is installed on your pc. Even when I had AVG, Avast, security essentials or anything else installed on another pc did I get it attempting to automatically uninstall the software it had concerns about.

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    43. Re:Fuck McAfee by godefroi · · Score: 1

      You should probably not computer. Stick to your iPad.

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  2. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why? The patriarchy.

  3. It is not entirely McAfee's fault by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    I have been in this field for ages. I've dabbled in software as well as in hardware

    This sentence says it all

    Intel is a traditionally very stable company

    In our field, 'traditionally very stable' is another of saying that the thing is stale

    Look at Intel, for crying out loud. Has there been anything really interesting / exciting coming out from Intel for the past decades??

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    1. Re:It is not entirely McAfee's fault by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Please be excited about Thunderbolt! I mean Lightning! I mean, Thunderbolt! I mean USB 3.0! I mean USB 3.1! I mean USB C!!!

    2. Re:It is not entirely McAfee's fault by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 2

      Look at Intel, for crying out loud. Has there been anything really interesting / exciting coming out from Intel for the past decades??

      The Core micro-architecture was within the last decade and that was very interesting and exciting. Sandy Bridge was also a pretty good milestone.

    3. Re: It is not entirely McAfee's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Core is just an evolution on the Pentium M architecture

    4. Re:It is not entirely McAfee's fault by Forever+Wondering · · Score: 2

      Let's not forget the PCIe bus. Not to be confused with any of its predecessors (e.g. PCIx). It isn't so much a bus as it is a point-to-point store-and-forward network on the motherboard. Fully bidirectional with separate up/down lanes (e.g. no waiting to "turn the line around"). It is [IMO], the first bus they got truly right. It's even the basis of the latest SATA specs for SSD's.

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    5. Re: It is not entirely McAfee's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PCIe is slightly older than a decade.

    6. Re: It is not entirely McAfee's fault by SQL+Error · · Score: 1

      Which traces back to the Pentium Pro. But Core 2 was a major advance over earlier versions.

    7. Re:It is not entirely McAfee's fault by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      PCIe is almost good enough to forgive them for USB...

      Their small form factor mobos and PCs like NUC are quite interesting as well, if overpriced.

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  4. From McAfee himeself by alzoron · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:From McAfee himeself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All this talk about churn... I can't be buttered.

  5. Not Intel's Software Chief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I would just like to point out that the summary is incorrect. Renee was the head of Intel's Software and Services Division (SSG.) When she became company president she gave that role to the current SSG manager, Dong Fisher. However, the McAfee acquisition happened while Renee ran SSG, and she had a lot of influence on the decision.

    To be fair though, the previous CEO (Paul Otellini) had the goal of wanting new revenue from software sales so Renee probably just tried to pick some existing company that had a good amount of stable revenue. A company like McAfee is one of the few that can get away with selling IT departments yearly support contracts and almost never have the CIO question renewing it every year. She also had to try to find something that could maybe, remotely tie in with Intel's chip business. I think one could easily argue that McAfee ties in better with a hardware company than say something like Intuit.

    I honestly don't know anything about what happened, but I do know Intel is in the middle of a mostly job performance based layoff. My guess is that if she was let go for performance reasons then it probably had more to do with what she has done recently as President than what she did years ago.

    1. Re:Not Intel's Software Chief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they really wanted to fix mediocre performance, they'd fire Aisha Evans, Head of the wireless group. Under her tenure, losses have increased from $330M/qtr to $1B/qtr..

  6. CEO out because of bad decision . . . ? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

    That would be new one. Usually when an executive makes a bad decision, the executive responds by laying off a bunch of little folks.

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    1. Re:CEO out because of bad decision . . . ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA. She (Intel's president) and a few vice-presidents were fired by the CEO.

    2. Re:CEO out because of bad decision . . . ? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      That happens more often then you would think.
      Usually what happens the CEO gets fired with all the little people too.
      Mergers, Acquisitions, Re-Organizations are things as employees you should be worried about mostly.
      Mergers - You put together two companies. Now there are a lot of people now doing duplicate jobs, who job can scale up, to support a larger organization. Lets say a system administrator, a good one can say handle 100 servers nearly just as well as 200, their ability won't be cut in half, because they will have/make tools that allows him to monitor and run maintenance in bulk. So we now have 2x the System admins where with the increased size we will only need 1.25x. So chances are someone is going to end up gone.
      Acquisitions - depending on which end you are on. For the most part if your company is the buyer you are usually safe, if you are the one being bought you could be in trouble.
      Acquisitions usually happen for following reasons, a failing company is bought to get its customer base: If you work there your job is in serious jeopardy. You will be there until the customers get indoctrinated with the parent company. Then for the most part you are part of the looser company.
      The larger company who is slowing down buys a fast growing company: Now this is where a lot of Really stupid stuff happens. The buyer often doesn't realize that growth is strongly due to a good corporate culture. And implements their bad culture that no longer works in, just because they are bigger.
      You are bought because you offer a unique service to complement the company: You job if you are focused on the unique part, is safe, other jobs the company doesn't care about, isn't.

      Finally re-orgs: Let hope you made friends with other departments, and worked well with other units and projects. Or you are on a project that is bringing in a lot of money and has a good growth potential. Otherwise you will have no idea on what will go on.

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  7. She was busy using Mcafee's other product... by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

    his infamous bath salts.

  8. Id fire you for buying a copy of McAfee by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 1

    but the company?? Are you kidding me?

    Dont act surprised when that re-org happens and you dont have a seat.

  9. James Never Fit In As President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The reality is that James never fit in as Intel's president, and they are likely better off with her being gone.

    Intel was and still is a hardware company first and foremost. The world's leading foundry and pretty good chip designers too. However James came from the side of Intel that handled software and services; she was a software person through and through. And while I disagree with TFA that the McAfee acquisition was a complete folly - it was a good fit for Intel's computer management technology development - it doesn't change the fact that it's but a small part of what Intel does.

    Promoting someone likes James to such a high position in the company, overseeing both hardware and software, was a mistake. James was out of her element, and while she didn't do anything fatal, she lacked the background necessary to lead a hardware company like Intel. She would be better off at an Oracle or HP-like company, where software and services are a greater focus and her skills would be more applicable.

    1. Re:James Never Fit In As President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intel wants to be a vertical platform company. Right now, for things like IoT you really need to be involved in the software and having someone who knows both sides I think is important. So, I disagree with your analysis.

  10. Diversity officers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For some reason, in most companies the diversity officers (or whatever's their job title) seem to be the dumbest executives around. Seen more than a few examples. Probably not a big loss for Intel.

  11. Headline ends in question mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Answer is probably no.

  12. Fire for installing it let alone buying company! by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone with enough technological know-how to reboot a computer knows that McAfee is one of the worst things you can do to a computer. So even if Intel fully intended to throw out that bloated sack of excrement and recode it from scratch the reputation it has earned pretty well makes its brand worth negative money. If anything it would make intel look worse.

    The only thing that made McAfee software was an evil business model. Thus Intel had two choices. maintain the evil business model to retain any monetary value from their purchase, or to abandon the model and forego any profits/revenues that McAfee would bring in.

    To me the only value that I would see in McAfee would be to do a historical analysis to figure out how they became so broken so as to be able to form a checklist that Intel could use going forward to make sure that they never follow the same path.

    My fear for Intel is that some psychopathic executives have made the jump from McAfee to Intel and are like ebola being released into a kindergarten. They will flourish and spread while leaving Intel a twitching bleeding from every orifice corpse. I could see Intel executives thinking themselves cunning where they do a huge deal so as to get closer the next promotion whereas a McAfee executive would falsify data to shut down an entire department so that he gets a slightly better parking space.

  13. Re:Fire for installing it let alone buying company by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    My fear for Intel is that some psychopathic executives have made the jump from McAfee to Intel and are like ebola being released into a kindergarten. They will flourish and spread while leaving Intel a twitching bleeding from every orifice corpse. I could see Intel executives thinking themselves cunning where they do a huge deal so as to get closer the next promotion whereas a McAfee executive would falsify data to shut down an entire department so that he gets a slightly better parking space.

    Actually, that won't work at Intel: there are no assigned parking spaces there, and the executives have cubicles just like everyone else. The CEO has to park in the same parking lot that everyone else does, and fight for a good space with them. It's really a crappy company to work for if you're an executive who's used to generous perks like that.

    That is a good analogy with Ebola and kindergarten though. Hopefully McAfee's evil execs won't get out into the rest of the company and ruin it.

    As for McAfee's reputation, remember this is the company where their founder, John McAfee, has publicly called their product "the worst software on the planet". What kind of idiot would buy something like that? That would be like buying Microsoft products after Bill Gates himself ran around calling their products crap (not that he'd ever do that in real life), or buying Apple products after Steve Jobs (in an alternate universe where he didn't die of cancer) said that iDevices were the worst products on the planet.

  14. Re:Fire for installing it let alone buying company by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 2

    I think your quote "the worst software on the planet" is missing some swearing and hookers.

    As for the assigned parking spaces then the McAfee execs have two steps ahead of them. First get an assigned parking space policy, then they will be able to screw people out of their parking spaces.

    I visited a company once where there was a long wide hallway that ran from one end of the main building to the other and a rabbit's warren of hallways that ran parallel. A few execs had card reading door locks installed on either end of the hallway and on every door that entered into the hallway so that only they could use it. I am talking about 12 people out of around 900. When some auditors(from a potential suitor) asked them about this they said that they often had meetings while they walked and needed the private space.

    Prior to their little hallway coup there might have been a dozen people walking in that hall at any given time and it was actually packed during peak times such as lunch. After the lockout the other hallways were near mad max combat zones.

    I was so sad when that company didn't manage to IPO as I knew their days were numbered. But their IPO efforts failed and the company slowly shrunk over the years. They still exist but maybe have 200 people working there.

    The key being that these people were also scum of the earth and had all kinds of interesting techniques for making sales. One was that they were the exclusive regional salespeople of office gear for a couple of companies. The stuff had all these special connections and whatnot that were incompatible with everything else on the market. Their pricing was (making up the exact numbers) $1000 for your first unit, but $5,000 for your 500th unit. This way they would bid on government contracts and win the small ones. Then because of their exclusive product lines they would get "sole sourced" contracts from the government for all further office gear. This would completely end run the bidding process and for a long time they made boatloads of cash. Then the newspapers got wind of it and the whole thing came crashing down with all kinds of new rules about proprietary solutions not being preferred. But within the contracts themselves they had all kinds of little scumbag tricks. One was to outfit the office of the decision makers with a pile of crazy nice stuff but only for a "trial" run of a year or so. Keeping the "trial" going would be completely dependent upon further contracts which they had experts who would help the bureaucrat to "streamline" the entire purchase. i.e. Sole sourced.

    I very much doubt that the McAfee people were any different and letting people like that into your building is begging for disaster. I suspect the terrible software was just a symptom of a completely degenerate company.

  15. Re:Fire for installing it let alone buying company by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    I think your quote "the worst software on the planet" is missing some swearing and hookers.

    John McAfee is indeed a colorful character, but so was Steve Jobs. If he popped up tomorrow out of hiding, revealed that his death had been faked, and then proceeded to tell the world that Apple products are complete trash, what would that do to Apple's sales? Yet somehow, McAfee keeps selling their crapware.

    I very much doubt that the McAfee people were any different and letting people like that into your building is begging for disaster. I suspect the terrible software was just a symptom of a completely degenerate company.

    I totally agree. Unfortunately it seems like a lot of companies are run by people just like this. Evil sociopaths tend to climb to the top of many organizations. Though your office gear example seems especially bad.

  16. Re:Fire for installing it let alone buying company by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    I can be 100% sure that he is dead. Otherwise he would have come back and beat Ivy to death, not out of uncontrolled anger, but to prove a point that it is an oversized clunky pile of crap.