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The Rise of the New Crypto War

blottsie writes: For more than 20 years, the U.S. government has been waging a war on encryption, with the security and privacy of all Americans at stake. Despite repeated warnings from security experts, the FBI and other agencies continue to push tech companies to add "backdoors" to their encryption. The government's efforts, which have angered tech companies and researchers, are part of a long-running campaign to pry into every secure system—no matter what the consequences. This article takes readers from the first Crypto War of the early 1990s to the present-day political battle to keep everyone who uses the Internet safe.

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  1. "...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    yeah. right.

    1. Re:"...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From whom? Our neighbors, the government, or ourselves?

    2. Re:"...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All people, not just "Americans".

      -an "American"

      captcha:conifer

    3. Re:"...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by Rasperin · · Score: 2

      Did the fourth amendment rights ever get worked out in relation to them hacking into computer systems (or wouldn't this law be in direct violation?)?

      I ask in earnest to see if these things were ever challenged in the past.

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    4. Re: "...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Wording of laws no longer marters. The Scouts ignored the wording and intent of the wording in the ACA to make it better for the feds. Don't ever expect them to rule fair again.

    5. Re: "...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wording of laws no longer marters. The Scouts ignored the wording and intent of the wording in the ACA to make it better for the feds. Don't ever expect them to rule fair again.

      The clear intent of the law was to provide affordable heath care. Subsidies for those who needed it were at the heart of it. Most everything else was just the mess that comes with getting something controversial passed. Do you think they wanted state exchanges? That that was their ultimate goal? Heck no. They wanted basically a socialized system. There should have been a public option, but that was tossed out because it would be unfair to the insurance companies, which is more important than being unfair to the people. Don't forget when the republicans keep parroting the % of people who don't like the law, they fail to include those who don't like it because it did not go far enough. Also, to be fair, if you are told a lie often enough it is believed.

      Pretending that their intent was to make life difficult for people over who live in a republican led state that didn't build an exchange is insanity... It doesn't pass the smell test.

    6. Re:"...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

      Like an open back door into your home usable by the US Govt. would make you safer, right? Right FBI director James Comey?

    7. Re: "...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by Rasperin · · Score: 2

      My opinions of the ACA not-withstanding, what do you call 17 U.S. 518 (1819) and 118 U.S. 394 (1886).

      I used wikipedia for easy access, but I provide the reference numbers if you like to look them up. And these aren't the only cases, (note one is 1819 so don't even begin to say this wasn't established in the early years of the US). The SCOTUS job _IS_ to interpret the law, actually it's not just limited to the SCOTUS but the judical branch interprets, lower courts are forced to take a higher courts interpretation though.

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    8. Re:"...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 2

      It will only keep happening as long as people don't complain. Whenever enough people complain enough, things change.

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    9. Re: "...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by khallow · · Score: 1

      Pretending that their intent was to make life difficult for people over who live in a republican led state that didn't build an exchange is insanity...

      That didn't happen. Nobody is claiming that these Supreme Court rulings were done to make things hard for average people or for certain states. Consequence != intent.

    10. Re: "...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The clear and plain language of the law said that only exchanges set up by the states would offer tax credits. If they can't get the text of the law right how can you presume to know what the intent was? Especially when pretty much everything we were told about how it would work and the benefits it would provide have turned out to be a lie.

      - If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance - except that it turns out that you couldn't
      - This will reduce insurance and health care costs and increase coverage for all Americans - except for the vast majority of people who already had insurance who saw their costs go up and their coverage go down.

      That is the two biggest ones that come to mind, I'm to lazy to go back and look up any of the others.

    11. Re: "...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      video

      Here is the guy who WROTE the ACA saying the the intent was that states provide exchanges or citizens of the state do not get tax credits. Yep, that was the INTENT and the WORDING from the guy who actually wrote the thing.

      So you basically came here and lied to make your point, just like every single ACA supporter has to do.

    12. Re: "...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The choice was between interpreting the law so it could fulfil its intended purpose, or interpreting the law so it could fulfil the republican party's intended purpose. Sanity won, barely. In this issue the supreme court should not have mattered. The politicians should have been tripping over themselves to fix a stupid mistake, but they were not, they were tripping over themselves to exploit a stupid mistake for political purposes, even though it would have the direct consequence of thousands dying and likely millions losing health insurance.

      You can argue that consequences != intent, but saying, "We didn't intend our decision to result in death, pain and misery. Sure we could see it coming a mile wide and knew exactly what would happen, but our job was just to interpret things narrowly regardless of whether doing so basically goes directly against the intent of the law."

      Now, if you want to argue it would have been better if the politicians cleaned up their own mess, preferably before the case was even heard, then that I will agree with.

    13. Re: "...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by khallow · · Score: 1

      The choice was between interpreting the law so it could fulfil its intended purpose

      Lack of severability (that is, the law was intended to stand as a whole, not be reinterpreted piecemeal) was one such intent and that was disregarded by the Court.

    14. Re: "...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they can't get the text of the law right how can you presume to know what the intent was?

      Were you asleep during the debate on the law? It seems that you were.

      If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance - except that it turns out that you couldn't

      Now here is one of the good old republican talking points. It has a kernel of truth but implies what is basically a lie, in that it implies some great swath of americans lost their health insurance when it is just not true. http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-insurance/

      Is Obama guilty of lying? No. What he is guilty of is oversimplifying. He should have said, ``If you have a decent health insurance policy then there will be no changes whatsoever. If you have a junk policy, well you will have to pick a new one."

      I blame America's sound byte politics. To get a message out you often have to simplify it to the point where it loses all true meaning. I think it is part of the reason that, sadly, Donald Trump is doing well in polls.

      Now, let's consider the two statements. First you have Obama's original quote where if you like your policy you can keep it. That technically was not true for a small percentage of people with junk policies. According to a quick google hit there were apparently about 6% of the populous that bought insurance on the open market so that would affect some subset of that Furthermore there was a grandfather clause for insurance that was in place prior to the laws enactment, but yes for some small subset of the 6% there were those that were unable to keep what was essentially a junk policy, since the policy did not meet minimum standards. Of that small subset you have many that could get better coverage for the same price when you add in subsidies. At any rate, I didn't see an exact figure in my quick look but I'm guessing the true percent of people that might have been negatively affected by believing that statement is likely less than 2% of the populous, and even then many of those may have better health outcomes from now having a non junk policy, so it is difficult to say for sure that it was a negative impact.

      Compare that instead with the GOP talking point which basically makes the entire statement out to be a lie, implying that some vast percentage of americans were directly harmed by being forced to buy different health insurance. To be generous assume they meant 50%.

      In short the GOP distortion of that quote is likely 25 X less accurate than the original quote!

      So anyway, while I will agree that Obama oversimplified to the point where his statement was no longer true for every American, it does not excuse the attack on that statement which oversimplified in ways that were far more inaccurate.

    15. Re: "...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by tricorn · · Score: 1

      the Secretary shall ... establish and operate such Exchange within the State and the Secretary shall take such actions as are necessary to implement such other requirements.

      There are plenty of places in the law (in general) where references to things are somewhat indirect. If I'm operating on behalf of someone with power of attorney, there are regulations referring to the person I'm representing, but the they actually apply to me.

      I see the wording of the above section of the ACA as being effectively setting up "an exchange established by the State" on behalf of the State when it won't do it for itself.

      It also is beyond reasonable to believe that the if the intention was to create such a major difference in the case of the Secretary establishing the Exchange, it wouldn't have been explicit. There are no references to "Exchange established by the Secretary", there are no restrictions put on such Exchanges in section 1311. All of the references are to "an Exchange established by the State under section 1311 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" (6 of them exactly that, one "this section", one dropping "section").

      If some of the other references don't include Exchanges established by the Secretary, then such Exchanges would have some serious deficiencies. If the intent was to severely cripple such Exchanges, why would they be established at all?

    16. Re:"...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      No one. The existence of a master key for any given system renders everything in that system less safe. Period. I am far more afraid of a compromised master key for something that I am forced to use, than I am afraid of "teh terrorists". Are you listening, Congressman? Do not fuck with my privacy. The smart people are trying to tell you something. You don't understand the technology and the implications of what well-meaning law-enforcement types are asking for.

    17. Re: "...keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." by Kelsen · · Score: 0

      "video

      Here is the guy who WROTE the ACA saying the the intent was that states provide exchanges or citizens of the state do not get tax credits. Yep, that was the INTENT and the WORDING from the guy who actually wrote the thing.

      So you basically came here and lied to make your point, just like every single ACA supporter has to do."



      From the video: "In the law it says that if the states don't provide them, the federal backstop will."

      Do you have the first clue?


      Dave Kelsen
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  2. Justify the Budget, Keep Peasants In Fear by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1984 was right, it was just 20 years early, and this is the script they are working off of.

    Look, we all know where the terrorists are and who is spreading it, and how to track and follow them. Encryption is no more a threat than a candy bar behind a locked glass case in a supermarket too high for kids to reach is.

    The reason they defeat the spies is the spies are too stupid, and ignore the real threats due to the massive overkill of non-relevant data and metadata that obfuscates the actual threats.

    They already have access to your phones and already subvert them for target cases, so it's just more justification for insane stuff we don't need.

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  3. Not really a new war by Rasperin · · Score: 1

    Just a continuation of the war, maybe a new battle?

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  4. Knowledge is a weapon by weilawei · · Score: 1

    Learn how things work. Learn why things work. Build things, experiment, and never make an assumption without clearly identifying it as such, even if it's only a mental note.

    Don't take someone else's word--look it up and verify it. Try it out. Play with concepts. I don't recommend using your own crypto in production (at all, since the odds are against you being a qualified cryptographer), but implementing known algorithms for educational purposes and then running attacks against them will give you a much better idea how everything fits together and what should and should not be done.

    Shit, is that too hard? Sadly, it probably is. Also, don't give me the "I have no time" excuse. Stop watching your fucking boob tube and spend that time educating yourself and helping those around you.

    1. Re:Knowledge is a weapon by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      I use ROT26. So far, all my communications have gone unnoticed.

    2. Re:Knowledge is a weapon by weilawei · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, could you say that again?

    3. Re:Knowledge is a weapon by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Whoops, I'm sorry. I used ROT26 twice in my previous post.

    4. Re:Knowledge is a weapon by TimSSG · · Score: 1

      Whoops, I'm sorry. I used ROT26 twice in my previous post.

      Is NOT the joke supposed to be " I used ROT13 twice ..."? Tim S.

    5. Re:Knowledge is a weapon by fnj · · Score: 2

      I used ROT520 twice for much extra security.

    6. Re: Knowledge is a weapon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you use the main at ream cryptography code, you will be pwned with 100% probability.

      See openssl.

  5. "Saving Lives" is their claimed priority... by ameline · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If that were actually true that saving lives or keeping people safe were their true priority, they could be vastly more effective by spending their money on reducing the highway traffic fatality rate. Over 30,000 people die on the roads of America every year. Reduce that by 10% and you'll save the equivalent of a 9/11 attack *every* year.

    Of course safety and saving lives is not their primary purpose -- it's entrenching their power structures. The ability to pry into everyone's communications and files is (in their opinion) essential to that.

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    1. Re:"Saving Lives" is their claimed priority... by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The same kind of numbers could be used against tobacco, alcohol, food with excessive amounts of fat/sodium/etc. Except there's money to be made with those, so the number of deaths doesn't matter.

    2. Re:"Saving Lives" is their claimed priority... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Want to know how to spend money to save lives? Stop bashing the younger generations and give them some career path.

      What I feared most, a brain drain, is already happening. Americans [1] are bailing to Latin American countries because they can't find any jobs, and student loan debt guarantees a shitty credit record for life. So, it is either live like a mendicant, commit suicide, or move to a country that wants intelligent people that will better themselves.

      We have an entire segment of disaffected people. What happens when there finally is no hope? Look at Egypt and the Arab Spring. Occupy may be dead, but those people are still there. All and all, it would be a lot cheaper to fund something like the WPA and give meaningful labor than to pay for what it would take to handle a constant, protracted insurgency.

      As for security, demanding backdoors is retarded (yes, the "R" word.) After Snowden sold out the NSA, this drove a wedge between the US and close allies. Security companies that get harassed in the US can easily set up shop in other nations, with that country's intelligence department calling the shots [2].

      Further demands on backdoors in security are just masterful foot-shooting. If this keeps being pressured, I'm sure most companies have moved their security coding offshore, or even spawned separate companies that are not under the US flag. Then, the only thing that can be done is bar secure crypto from being imported or used, which can be easily done with a stroke of a pen.

      [1]: Technically residents of the United States of America, but Americans is a phrase used here.

      [2]: Want to do business in China? Some firm over there has to own 51% of any venture on their soil.

    3. Re:"Saving Lives" is their claimed priority... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      it's entrenching their power structures.

      I'm sorry but every time I see this get modded up, I have remind everybody that it cannot happen without us. If you're going to continue voting for the same old shit over and over, please understand that your complaints really can't be taken seriously.

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    4. Re:"Saving Lives" is their claimed priority... by sribe · · Score: 1

      If that were actually true that saving lives or keeping people safe were their true priority, they could be vastly more effective by spending their money on reducing the highway traffic fatality rate.

      Ahem, look particularly at column 4, fatalities per 100,000,000 vehicle miles traveled.

    5. Re:"Saving Lives" is their claimed priority... by ameline · · Score: 2

      I didn't say it wasn't getting better (mainly through better safety features and better design in cars), but that spending money on the security state is an incredibly inefficient way to make people safer and save lives. Doing almost anything *other* than just lighting the money on fire (you know -- sending a message :-) would likely be a more effective way to make people safer.

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    6. Re:"Saving Lives" is their claimed priority... by ameline · · Score: 2
      I'm Canadian -- I can't vote in American elections.

      I can and do vote here in Canada, and in our upcoming election we have an option (NDP) who have promised to repeal the horribly flawed bill C51 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-terrorism_Act,_2015). I encourage all like minded Canadians to get out and vote this fall.

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    7. Re:"Saving Lives" is their claimed priority... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Users of tobacco, alcohol, unhealthy food, etc., are consciously choosing to harm themselves.

      In an automobile accident, someone who was following the rules can get harmed/killed by someone else, without consent.

      Limiting the former is a nanny state tactic, wherein the government knows better than you what choices you should make for your own life. It is not the right balance between freedom and security.

      Ensuring that people who don't follow the rules can't drive, on the other hand, is actively protecting innocent drivers from outside threats.

      This distinction should be obvious.

    8. Re:"Saving Lives" is their claimed priority... by xelah · · Score: 1

      Health care is generally a better bet than road safety, with many interventions saving money rather than costing it, but road safety is certainly near the top. Here's an impressively comprehensive list (but, sadly, rather old): http://www.ce.cmu.edu/~hsm/bca...

    9. Re:"Saving Lives" is their claimed priority... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Wrong, wrong, wrong. Wholly owned foreign enterprises (WOFE) have been available in China since China joined the WTO way back when. These limited corporations are fully owned by the foreign investor. There is another structure called a Joint Venture (JV) that does require a 51% share by the Chinese side, but these are typically used in restricted industries like publishing or mining where WOFEs are not allowed. They are stupid and I don't know why any foreign company ever does them.

      Americans are fleeing to Latin America? Really? This is the first I've heard of it. The same Latin America that is so dysfunctional that its people are fleeing in droves to barrios in our inner cities? Think about it...our prisons offer a better quality of life than their entire countries. Sad, isn't it?

      Residents of the United States of America are called Americans and have been for hundreds of years. I'm not really sure where the confusion comes from here, just ask any non-Americans and they'll tell you.

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    10. Re:"Saving Lives" is their claimed priority... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a great indicator of progress in a certain tech. It is to be commended. But column 6 is what really matters. The news is good there too, I'll admit, but not as spectacular.

      f I can hop on a train or have the Enterprise's transporter beam me something or print it at home, I'm also more likely to get in the car and go off stupidly killing myself. It's all good.

      So when you talk about government throwing power+money at things, then manipulating the third column becomes an option, and that spills into everything.

      BTW, great link.

    11. Re:"Saving Lives" is their claimed priority... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right on, with the brain drain! Just look at /.'ssignal to noise ratio!

  6. Ding dong, the witch is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/619617733982978048

  7. TIFTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...are part of a long-running campaign to pry into every secure system...

    More like part of a long-running campaign to pry into the private lives of everyone in America and abroad.

  8. 2nd attempt :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if the security agency of your country hasn't told a lie in front of parliament/congress/whatever and found out about it and got away with it... Raise your hands.
    I think you're in a minority, but I could be wrong.

    1) Belgium, Eddy Testelmans (Lied about 3 terror attacks prevented by the nsa prism program, later had to recant)

  9. No Way Jose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't give out copies of my car and house keys to the government. They sure as hell are not getting keys to all of my electronics.

    1. Re: No Way Jose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are or they will, and there is nothing you can do about it.

    2. Re: No Way Jose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go fuck yourself you lowlife neckbeard

    3. Re: No Way Jose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oooo the truth hurts doesn't it?!

  10. This could not be worded any worse by jpiratefish · · Score: 1, Insightful

    In the header for this, your last sentence: "This article takes readers from the first Crypto War of the early 1990s to the present-day political battle to keep everyone who uses the Internet safe." The present day battle is not about keeping people safe - it's breaking down people's ability to keep secrets. The cost for this level of protection is way too high.

  11. Death OR Taxes by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    If that were actually true that saving lives or keeping people safe were their true priority, they could be vastly more effective by spending their money on reducing the highway traffic fatality...

    The most effective way to do that is put more troopers on the road and better highway design/maintenance. But that requires higher taxes, and a good portion of America would rather risk death than pay more taxes. "Freedom to die".

    1. Re:Death OR Taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Call me crazy, but I wonder about an idea. The Federal government should create a tax rate that is 5% higher than the normal one. This would be optional, and the taxes used would go for infrastructure, parks, programs like the WPA, and other items. The fact that someone pays a higher tax could be confirmed.

      It wouldn't be that much difference... but get 360 million people, and it would reverse a shitload of damage done to the nation.

    2. Re: Death OR Taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do we the people have to pay for damages to our roads caused by corporations.

      Corporations are people too. They can afford another 5%.

  12. Re:Modern Crypt Backdoored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Baseless conspiracy theory. Take DES for instance. It was invented 45 years ago and we still don't know any practical attacks that do much better than bruteforce. The gap between civilian and intelligence crypto skills is not that large, especially as fewer and fewer crypto gurus are willing to be associated with government agencies.

  13. crypto war 3.0 you mean? by Kishin · · Score: 2

    I keep saying we should call it the Third Crypto Wars because NSA + GHCQ already won the Second. They did that in a secret war on all systems and cryptography with aid from post-9/11 legislation. The Snowden leaks attest to what they accomplished. Most crypto out there doesn't deliver on its claims because they backdoored, weakened, or bypassed (endpoints) it. Now, from a position of dominance, NSA and FBI are launching a Third War on Crypto which is a mixture of public (see article) and secret (try to see TPP). This is an attempt to automatically achieve what they currently work hard for. We're not going to stand a chance of winning this third round if we don't acknowledge they already won the second. And did it without hardly anyone noticing pre-Snowden. That's how bad our current position is and why we need to fight that much harder for strong security across the whole stack.

    Note: I've only seen a few strong constructions ever posted on Slashdot or most other IT news sites. *Those* kinds of things don't get popular. NSA etc love that. It's why the majority doesn't stand a chance whether using proprietary or FOSS. Rare exceptions to that.

    Nick P

    1. Re:crypto war 3.0 you mean? by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 2

      Bullshit. One of the most interesting things to come out of the Snowden revelations was the discovery that the NSA doesn't have any secret ways into properly done crypto -- Schneier even noted as much in his interview with Snowden.

      You're right that most people's communications aren't encrypted -- that's an artifact of people trusting large corporations like Google and Apple with their data. But dm-crypt and loop-AES on Linux have been safe for a long time, and, though I wouldn't personally trust BitLocker and Apple's equivalent, I've seen no concrete evidence they're backdoored, either. And then there's TrueCrypt and its successors, which are brilliant pieces of work. TrueCrypt has even been audited and found solid.

      This is the second crypto war. The government lost the first with Clipper and Skipjack, but the low priority most people put on security and the general low level of intelligence of criminals meant that they didn't often run into problems, despite their loss. Most people accept the defaults on software, and encryption isn't the default.

      Now, Google and Apple are announcing that they will make encryption the default on their phones. This is the cause for the government's alarm: encryption by default would be very inconvenient for them. They've always known this, which is why they fought the first crypto war. They lost, and encryption slowly but surely became more and more prevalent. Now it promises to be Android+iOS-level prevalent. They don't want that, for obvious reasons. This is their last stand. And they will lose, for the same reason they lost the first crypto war: encryption is a fait accompli.

      Unfortunately, they have a point. Not being able to read legitimate criminals' communications will likely make the police's job harder. We have a system of privacy protections that attempts to strike a balance between privacy and law enforcement, and encryption tilts the scale all the way in favor of privacy and against law enforcement. There's nothing anyone can really do to fix that; it's just how the world works now. But it's worth acknowledging that there is a problem here, even though we don't have a solution to the issue, and even though the FBI's proposed solution is completely insane.

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    2. Re:crypto war 3.0 you mean? by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Re "revelations was the discovery that the NSA doesn't have any secret ways into properly done crypto "
      The NSA and GCHQ have enough hold over emerging academics, crypto, open source and crypto history to shape any useful standards.
      Before Snowden the idea was that some one or something to do with academics, open source, political scandal, private sector legal leadership, private sector risk, the press or very smart people or antivirus protection teams would notice "something" about weak international crypto standards and the computer press globally would ensure a rapid international exposure and correction.
      Nothing was noticed in the banking and telco networks of the 1960's, 70's? into the home computers of the 1980s, the emerging social and security standards, beyond 2000... company and university experts and their endless funding and grants.
      The UK enjoyed plain text decryption in pre ww2 Europe and into the 1950's. The US expected the same on any emerging networks.
      NATO nations and any country with links to the West got expert help to secure their systems and new networks. Totally secure along the network. Reverting to plain text in realtime for the NSA and GCHQ every upgrade and decade.
      Re "This is the cause for the government's alarm: encryption by default would be very inconvenient for them."
      The hardware and low level text input will always revert to plain text to be displayed or entered by the user. Law enforcement will always have access to that if the device is to be sold in the US or UK. The user can run any application they want and developer can compile, sell any application they like on top but the voice and text at its most readable level always reverts to a form that is wiretap friendly as sold within the device by design as sold.
      Compile, design, encrypt, its the hardware and OS that will always be ready to report back when needed every time a cell or other network connection is made.
      re "There's nothing anyone can really do to fix that"
      The Soviet Union fixed the issue by using one time pads in the 1950's for a short time but had to give up as it had so much data to move globally. Once upgraded entire networks where again fully open to the NSA and GCHQ at all levels over decades.
      France had all its diplomatic traffic intercepted by the US and UK in the 1950's. Hardware fixes in the 1960's helped but then the amazing upgrade offers from the GCHQ in the early 1970's opened most interesting French networks to the US and UK again.
      re "The government lost the first with Clipper" The US and UK had hardware, networks and software standards as shipped. A generation was distracted from understanding the lower layers of popular OS or networks standard as shipped by ideas that an extra 'special' chip was needed.
      The sale and use of home computer or cell phone at a low cost was all that was needed.
      re "There's nothing anyone can really do to fix that" The world is slowly understanding that decades of weak networks and junk crypto standards are not just open to 5 eye nations. Smart people, dual citizens and other trusted nations with other regional goals all now know of the the same methods and ideas and have have been enjoying the same access.
      Companies and people with good emerging products and ideas need anonymity and privacy so they can bring a product to market. Having competing nations read deals, grants and support requests is going to result in loss to established competing brands.
      The fix is for nations and their own brands to get their internal anonymity and privacy back. More back doors in every computer and networks open as shipped is not going to help with that.
      The crypto war was lost in the 1920's with telephone networks and embassy networks. No emerging network was ever out of reach again.

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    3. Re:crypto war 3.0 you mean? by Kishin · · Score: 1

      "Bullshit. One of the most interesting things to come out of the Snowden revelations was the discovery that the NSA doesn't have any secret ways into properly done crypto -- Schneier even noted as much in his interview with Snowden."

      I think you missed the whole point: NSA has been secretly beating many crypto you cite for years with a myriad of bypasses. They piled up attacks on applications, OS's, firmwares, and so on. They have it to the point that it's automated with QUANTUM. Linux's fragmentation gave non-mainstream distro's certain protection. I did that directly in previous work in what I called Security via Diversity. Academia has re-discovered that concept and regularly publishes it under banner "moving target." Yet, most people could've been smashed by NSA this entire time without realizing it.

      So, after NSA *lost*, they waited for an opportunity. 9/11 provided it. Then, they started tapping the Tier 1 providers, intercepting whole datacenters worth of stuff, covert partnerships with U.S./foreign companies, coercive relationships with FBI support, infiltration of foreign companies/sites, weakening of crypto standards, insertion of 0-day's, deliberately leaving in 0-days, and buying up even more 0-days + attack kits for automated use. The combination of Snowden leaks and Equation Group report show they have utterly been dominating their opponents... without them even knowing... for over a decade.

      In short, they went to war on everything (see BULLRUN) in secret, they won enough to create a "golden age of surveillance," and post-Snowden we're launching a new set of battle with new criteria to stop them. That's a... third... fight. Strange how security experts can say a quasi-military organization attacked, hacked, and subverted almost everything in wide use without saying they lost a war to them. They did loose. Many of us told them exactly what they were hitting pre-Snowden given it had to be anything in a system that ran code or could be reached by code (obvious eh?). We were told various things: too paranoid; that's impractical; nobody is reporting those hacks so they aren't happening; FBI & NSA are saying in public they can't do that. And on and on. They talked like they were safe on their FOSS & "secured" Windows boxes while they were getting stomped for years on end.

      So, if anyone's calling bullshit, it's me on mainstream INFOSEC industry and security "experts" who didn't see this shit coming despite me outlining it nicely for years. My framework still exists (below) showing all the rigor it takes at every layer to stand a chance at beating them. Secure code or good crypto apps aren't enough. My framework is taken right out of the government's requirements for the ultra-secure systems (Type 1, EAL6/7) they use at most sensitive sites but won't let us have. Want to eliminate risk in your software and stick it to NSA? The opportunity is right there below waiting for your effort.

      http://pastebin.com/y3PufJ0V

    4. Re:crypto war 3.0 you mean? by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      I think we're talking past each other. Internet vulnerabilities don't really matter that much to me in the analysis; there is no reason one can't do his crypto on a computer not connected to the Internet if he's concerned about Internet exploits. And the FBI/NSA resorting to 0-days is a rearguard action. They can only afford to do that to high-value targets, because using a 0-day and getting caught means you lose the 0-day.

      And of course mainstream security is low. If we're going to say that we "lost the crypto war" as long as there are holes in Flash, we'll never win. There will always be holes in Flash, and there will occasionally be holes in Firefox. Honestly the biggest win for government is when the FBI took over a child porn server on Tor and de-anonymized people through a buffer overflow in Firefox. And you know what? They lost that 0-day after that.

      Also, their 0-day wouldn't have worked if the Tor user was using Whonix. One way to get security is through layers; the more layers, the harder it is to break through all of them.

      Still, think about that. The worst compromise in recent history we know about is the FBI using a 0-day in an old version of Firefox/Tor Browser. Oh yeah, did I mention the 0-day only existed in an ALREADY OBSOLETE version of the Tor Browser? I guess the FBI didn't have any current 0-days on hand for Firefox, or didn't think catching pedophiles was worth burning it. Too bad the sickos who visited Freedom Hosting child porn sites and also kept their browser up to date didn't get caught by that sting. Still, that was pretty clever of the FBI. They deserve credit.

      BUT: if that's the best they can do, then, for better or for worse, the government has definitely, without a shadow the doubt, "lost the crypto war".

      And btw, we probably do want the FBI to catch child rapists and be able to decrypt say human traffickers' hard drives when they have a warrant. And they can't. And that is bad. It's just that breaking security for everyone is not a reasonable solution to that problem. As far as I can see, though, there is no solution to that problem. Living with criminals being able to keep their secrets is likely just a cost of progress.

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      vi ~/.emacs # I'm probably going to Hell for this.
    5. Re:crypto war 3.0 you mean? by Kishin · · Score: 1

      You have points on the 0-days being on the lower end compared to pervasive backdoors. Far as worst compromise, it's actually NSA compromising insane numbers of hosts using automated QUANTUM hits and drones via WiFi attacks. Much worse than manual stuff FBI does. That they continue to subvert things with little challenge is in their favor, as well. Far as crypto, NSA promoted strong algorithms while hiding all the ways their implementation could be busted (eg side channels). AES was actually more prone to these than some others. They also had the methods and tech to design nearly bulletproof stuff (eg Type 1, EAL6-7, TEMPEST). That they deliberately kept us in the dark and made those difficult to impossible to get weakened our security posture greatly across the board. They could've subsidized a few guards, VPN's, and endpoints to give us a chance but had other, devious ideas.

      Anyway, your critique might be right on us *mostly* winning on the crypto side. Yet, they won in most other respects in being on top. I guess I need to change the claim to match that. Maybe the NSA's War on Security, starting when they killed the high assurance market (below). Crypto War would be battles within the greater framework. Main war still going on obviously. Recently being challenged by private parties and especially DARPA-funded research (eg crash-safe.org, CHERI). Gotta love DARPA: enemy's R&D organization will probably give us our best chances of defeating them. :)

      http://lukemuehlhauser.com/wp-content/uploads/Bell-Looking-Back-Addendum.pdf

    6. Re:crypto war 3.0 you mean? by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      The stuff you're talking about is the stuff there is less public information about, so it's hard to know how effective it is. QUANTUM certainly sounds scary in principle, but we know very little about how effective it is. And, since it's using 0-days, they can't just use it against anyone they want without potentially burning the 0-day. The exploit can be automated, but the decision to deploy it can't be. Untargeted "dragnet surveillance" -- the most politically problematic part of Snowden's revelations -- is also the easiest to get around for anyone with the knowledge to do so.

      Finally, anything the NSA finds through its secret programs can't be used in court except through parallel construction, which isn't always possible and is rightly starting to be seriously challenged by judges. So, I'd say the FBI's capabilities and criminal organizations' capabilities are more important to most people than those of a super-secret organization like the NSA. It doesn't matter so much if the NSA can invade your privacy if it doesn't have the ability to do anything about what it finds.

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      vi ~/.emacs # I'm probably going to Hell for this.
  14. Backdoor penetration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Promoted by the Left.
    Performed by the Right.

  15. Back door man by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the recent Hacker Team story has taught us, there is no such thing as a "secure back door". Just when you think you're cleverly safe creeping in a back door, there's someone else peering up your back door.

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    You are welcome on my lawn.
    1. Re:Back door man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly.

      Why does the US government insist so hard on handing over control of all our computers, servers, networks, and critical infrastructure to all other world governments and citizens?

    2. Re:Back door man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I just needs to check inside ya' ass hole." --James Comey

    3. Re:Back door man by srmalloy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the OPM breach has shown us even more clearly the consequences of failing to use the strongest encryption, security tools, and IA policies available. Using encryption technology that's designed to be bypassed at need, with that 'need' determined by anyone other than the owner of the data, is the electronic equivalent of hiding a spare key under the welcome mat and believing that your home is still secure when it's locked up.

    4. Re:Back door man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the electronic equivalent of hiding a spare key under the welcome mat

      Better to hide a spare door under the welcome mat, that way you can open it to get rid of salesmen or witnesses, esp. Jehovah's.

    5. Re: Back door man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did the hacking team gain access? Most likely they were taking advantage of a bug in software and not a designed "back door"

  16. So is the Internet considered Telecom or no? by diamondmagic · · Score: 1

    The EFF and other privacy groups immediately requested that the FCC stay its order. The FCC declined to do so.

    Wait a second, the EFF was just telling me the Internet is a Telecommunications Service, not an Information Service, in order to get the Title II regulations they were cheerleading for.

    When the FCC contorts CALEA, something only supposed to apply to telecommunications, against cryptography on the Internet, it's the end of days, the Internet is dead, ...

    When the FCC contorts Title II, something only supposed to apply to telecommunications, against your local ISP, praise the state! It's a miracle! It's justice!

    Please. Repeat after me: The FCC is not your friend. The EFF, or the FCC for that matter, can't even identify a single, concrete action by an ISP that Title II would have stopped. It's a pure power grab.

    Either the Internet is an Information Service (meaning Title II and CALEA don't apply), or it isn't (so it's a telecommunication service, and CALEA does apply), but you can't have it both ways.

    1. Re:So is the Internet considered Telecom or no? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      Wait a second, the EFF was just telling me the Internet is a Telecommunications Service, not an Information Service, in order to get the Title II regulations they were cheerleading for.

      Either the Internet is an Information Service (meaning Title II and CALEA don't apply), or it isn't (so it's a telecommunication service, and CALEA does apply), but you can't have it both ways.

      Providing access to the Internet is a telecommunications service. (Your ISP is acting as a telecommunications service)

      Offering content is an information service. (Wikipedia is an information service)

      It is also possible for a single company to act as both a telecommunications service and an information service. (Google provides Internet Access and offers Content)

      While all a part of the "Internet" here in the US each aspect is regulated differently. CAELA explicitly does not apply to information services such as Wikipedia. All US ISPs however are already obligated to comply with CAELA requests with or without Title II.

    2. Re:So is the Internet considered Telecom or no? by diamondmagic · · Score: 1

      That's a creative argument, but the problem is, the law doesn't make that distinction.

      In both cases, you're peering with another person and exchanging packets with them.

      Wikipedia exchanging packets with an ISP isn't any different than me exchanging packets with my ISP.

      Indeed, such an assertion would fly in the face of Net Neutrality that says all packets are equal. Wikipedia exchanging packets with me, isn't any different than Wikipedia exchanging packets with Cogent, isn't any different than Cogent exchanging packets with me.

    3. Re:So is the Internet considered Telecom or no? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia exchanging packets with an ISP isn't any different than me exchanging packets with my ISP.

      This isn't really all that difficult to understand.

      Wikipedia's ISP is subject to CALEA. Wikipedia itself acting as an information service is not.

    4. Re:So is the Internet considered Telecom or no? by diamondmagic · · Score: 1

      Only because the law was expanded in 2005: https://www.eff.org/issues/cal...

      The law still makes a distinction between ISPs (information services) and telecom: https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...

  17. Re:Modern Crypt Backdoored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take DES for instance. It was invented 45 years ago and we still don't know any practical attacks that do much better than bruteforce.

    Perhaps not (who knows what the NSA has in its back pocket), but there are commercially availabe special-purpose machines which can bruteforce DES in a day or so. NSA could easily afford (and no doubt already has) a roomful of these which could bruteforce it in a matter of minutes. Who needs a backdoor in that case?

    A backdoor doesn't have to be something like a skeleton or master key, it could be a hidden weakness in an algorithm that lets it be bruteforced by purpose-built hardware in reasonable time.

  18. Core problem: backdoor = all messages in plaintext by MtnDeusExMachina · · Score: 2

    The article is quite good, and later on it points out that any back door leads to all of the bad guys having just as much or more access to communications as the government or law enforcement have. Comey, FBI, etc. are wishing for visibility into communications, but are not technical enough to realize that they are actually asking for there to be no encryption at all, since the presence of the backdoor renders the communication useless for sensitive information. Another topic that isn't addressed is protecting the public from misuse of the backdoor by government. The existence of pervasive surveillance eventually will lead to the creation of two classes of citizens: The first class "good" ones with law enforcement access to all communications, and the second class, who do not have such access to back doors.

  19. Re:Modern Crypt Backdoored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A functional brute force is a backdoor. it just requires the attacker to have better processing capability.

    Which is just what the OP described.

  20. Re:Modern Crypt Backdoored by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

    No, because the key length of DES was public and thus people had no problem understanding what kind of effort and costs it would take to break it by using brute force. Once it was felt that that threshold was near, 3DES was strapped together and that one is still not reachable by any brute force machine the NSA has now or in the foreseeable future.

  21. Re:Modern Crypt Backdoored by sharkbiter · · Score: 1

    "DES is now considered to be insecure for many applications. This is mainly due to the 56-bit key size being too small; in January, 1999, distributed.net and the Electronic Frontier Foundation collaborated to publicly break a DES key in 22 hours and 15 minutes (see chronology)."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Encryption_Standard

  22. Re:Modern Crypt Backdoored by randalware · · Score: 1

    I believe with modern hardware the NSA can break DES almost in realtime.

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    This is my opinion based on what little I know and understand of the rumors and lies Thanks, Randal
  23. Re:Modern Crypt Backdoored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, just be aware that you currently do not have any real security.

    This should be modded up, not down! Why can't people accept this? Are you all that afraid of the truth?

  24. Constitution does not guarantee privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get over yourselfs! The constitution does not gaurentee privacy in all cases

  25. Re:Core problem: backdoor = all messages in plaint by HiThere · · Score: 1

    You (and possibly the article) are making an improper distinction. Anyone who breaks into my computer or my putatively secure communications is a bad guy, whether they work for some government or other or not. And it doesn't matter which government. And, no, even if they had a warrant that wouldn't mean they weren't a bad guy, it would just mean they might not be operating illegally.

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  26. My retort is one word: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOVEINT.

    That is all.

    1. Re: My retort is one word: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize the amount of oversight on goverent agencies and those who do not follow policy are fired?

      Three words
      Check the facts

  27. Re: Core problem: backdoor = all messages in plain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do realize the amont of proof to get a warrant to get onto a computer is significant?

  28. It's not just the "bad guys"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've seen arguments to the erect of "we would give a backdoor to the NSA, except, others could exploit it". NOOOOO! The NSA are demonstrated liers, perjurers, torturers, and murderers. They cannot be trusted. The US government, and pretty much any government, cannot be given this power. They will abuse it. The only good government is a government constrained from doing evil. The US government needs more constraint, not less.

    1. Re: It's not just the "bad guys"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exaggerated often? Slander people often?

    2. Re: It's not just the "bad guys"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are those rhetorical questions?

  29. Bucket Loads Of Fear by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    The right wing rules the ignorant with fearful suggestions. The leadership of the right situates themselves in plush conditions and justifies their existence by claiming ever more need for security. The catch is that there is no absolute security. No matter how much spying that is done we will always be prone to either individuals or groups committing violence or mayhem. And it is obvious that terrorists are acutely aware of just how chronic terror attacks can be. Even if we get rid of all organized terror groups we will still have self styled lunatics setting off bombs and the like. Both Great Britain and France were driven out of Arab regions by ongoing terror tactics. The best thing Americans can do is to simply obey the law themselves, pay their taxes and be willing to report any unusual people or actions to the police. As far as stopping snooping by the authorities simply over load the net with constant encrypted or nonsensical messages such that machine time or human time make searching messages ineffective. Passing deeply encrypted nonsense messages with certain upsetting key words could keep agencies clogged to a state of nonfunction. For example pass a cake recipe with the words submarines in port embedded and then encrypt the message using numerous schemes and send it from person to person. Spy agencies would go nuts.

  30. Re:Core problem: backdoor = all messages in plaint by MtnDeusExMachina · · Score: 1

    No, I'm not saying that anyone who breaks into your computer is a bad guy. What I am saying is that if the FBI gets a back door to do good things, then they also greatly increase the chance of crimes being committed by criminals who use the same back door the FBI uses. I am also saying that is that without back doors, a rogue FBI agent violating his authority can do damage to people and the nation, but that a rogue FBI agent violating his authority and with back doors can do extremely large amounts of damage to people and the nation.

  31. Re:Core problem: backdoor = all messages in plaint by MtnDeusExMachina · · Score: 1

    Further proof that back doors will be hacked has already happened! http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...