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An anonymous reader writes: My boss and I were having a discussion about our users accessing the internet. He wants the users to be able to log in to the firewall to be able to access external websites that they are normally blocked from accessing. They would get a 45-minute window to do this, and then if they need more time, they need to re-login. (SonicWall does this). I told him that this type of procedure scares the crap out of me, as some users will just keep logging in and doing what we are trying to block them from doing, and they will also be able to access infected websites as well. I think it is in our (the IT staff's) best interest if we continue to allow access to users on a case-by-case basis -- and then turn it off when they have completed their task. I am just curious as to where others stand on this topic. If you are your workplace's BOFH, how much slack do you cut? If you're an employee with unreasonable restrictions, do you bother to get around them?
The boss's plan of allowing users to override the web page filter is absolutely the CORRECT plan. You have a rare boss who understands that the most important thing is that workers be able to work without interference from know-it-alls. Please get with the program!
Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion.
What do you consider "reasonable" access? I tend to be very conservative about it. If I can do my job, I consider that reasonable access. Anything not strictly required to do my job is simply a bonus. Under those definitions, I've never had a job that did not afford me reasonable access to the internet. I know that many people will consider "reasonable" access to include things like access to Facebook and twitter and their bank accounts, etc. I disagree. When I'm at work, I'm working. When I'm not at work, I'm not at work. I try very hard to keep the boundary distinct. the more I blur the line, the easier it is for my employer to want me to be always available.
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Outside of spam, dangerous websites with known trojan, and maybe obvious porn. Why would you want to block your employees? I've worked once for a big company like this. I left. A lot of websites were blocked. Even craigslist. Led to workarounds and other hacks. It was also quite counter-productive in many ways.
Honestly if you don't trust your employees don't hire them. If you have employees that aren't productive because they are doing things they shouldn't be doing then let them go.
I wouldn't work for you.
I've been an IT manager and an IT director so I'll make a few points from that perspective.
1) IT is there to serve the needs of the business and one of the needs of the business is to create / facilitate a productive and encouraging work environment. Now, this doesn't need to mean that you give people everything they ask for, but it does mean that you need to trust people. If there are legitimate reasons for concern then get a firewall product that can measure the amount of time someone is spending surfing the net; however, this is really a business concern and this capability is not for IT to worry about its for the different LOB managers to worry about. If they have that as a general concern then pursue it, otherwise it's not IT's concern.
2) What is IT's concern is the security, availability, and integrity of the computing environment and business data and that does mean taking reasonable measures to protect the assets under your control. That means that perhaps you need AV / Anti-Malware / etc. protections. Perhaps also a webfilter that blocks sites that are known for producing malware with the intent to exploit the visitors to that site. Those sites should come from security vendor watchlists and not some arbitrary list put together by the sysadmins.
3) Doing this is about finding an appropriate balance. That balance can only be maintained through constant communication and feedback with the business leaders (i.e. you need a governance process.) The business leadership / executive will need to decide what that balance is. IT's job is to appropriately communicate the risks, consequences and options and let the executive make the decision on how much risk they are willing to take on. This is why communication is crucial, especially in IT, and why often managers who are non-technical or barely technical, get those positions instead of the very technical people who "know better."
The question is "Why block at all?" not "Should we block at all?" In other words, "What is the specific goal of blocking?" If it's to prevent malware, it requires a different approach than if it's to prevent watching porn. If it's to protect sensitive information, it requires a very different approach, and may well involve blocking in both directions.
So, no, it isn't that idiots as "why block at all" so much as only idiots don't distinguish between "why" and "should we".
"This website is blocked.
Category: Whatever.
If you wish to unblock, please contact Administrator."
Anything else is just open to abuse and you may as well not have a web filter at all (P.S. This has NOTHING to do with your firewall).
Trying to solve HR problems with technology is doomed to futility.
At my company, I don't block web sites. If I walked by someone's desk and saw him[1] looking at porn, I'd say "don't do that." If it got out of hand, I'd discipline the person.
Sometimes I walk past the desks of the tech support guys and I see them on Facebook or playing solitaire. Well, what else are they supposed to be doing if there are no support tickets open or support calls coming in? I don't care if they take breaks every now and then as long as they get their work done.
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[1] I suspect it's almost all guys who look at online porn.
B0xen? Seriously?
Meanwhile, your post is not insightful at all.
All my liberal friends think I'm a conservative, all my conservative friends think I'm a liberal.
You can not trust your employee not to infect a machine by surfing a random website like facebook.
After all every image can have a troyan/virus embedded exploiting the jpg library of your browser/OS.
It has nothing to do with the employees, its the sites that are the problem, so you block everything except a white list.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Not only that, but only one b0xen.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
The answer to "What, if anything, should we block" versus "What, if anything, should we allow" is "it varies":
Scenario 1: Receiving. Give the guy a Citrix or App-V console into a machine that can browse the Internet unfettered, but doesn't allow files to be transferred to the internal machine. Now the user has access to websites, there is something substantial keeping the actual machine from being compromised.
Scenario 2: Finance. Again, these machines are touching sensitive data, so they, by themselves, don't see the outside world, but the user can always use a VDI implement to browse the web, making the isolation a non-issue.
Scenario 3: General company (dev, QA, sales) use. The above in reverse. Allow traffic out, have a good IDS/IPS in place (this should be in place everywhere, but especially with this), and stick the real sensitive stuff behind a RDP firewall, or a "hop box". The user can manipulate the data, but malware on their machine will have a hard time (though not impossible) to grab the entire database for upload to a blackhat's site.
Scenario 4: Point of sale registers. These have no reason to be connected to the outside Internet, other than through a server for credit card validation.
Of course, these are generic, off-the-top-of-my-head scenarios, but there is no one size fits all solution, other than that it helps to have some type of VDI for separation of data.
Treat your workers like they're fucking responsible adults. Block 2, maybe 3 categories at the proxy, and nothing more:
1) Pornography (leave that stuff at home, and also to prevent hostile work environment claims)
2) Known spyware/malware/command & control sites (should be pretty self-explanatory)
3) Ads (optional, but could save significantly on bandwidth and potential spyware/malware infection sources; may break certain crappy sites, however)
That's it. Don't block anything else. Treat your employees like responsible adults. If they act irresponsibly, then that's a management issue that needs to be addressed between the employee and the employee's manager. I'm so fucking sick of companies treating employees like little kids and instituting draconian policies blanketly across the entire workforce because they can't/won't address personnel issues at the employee/manager level. The more sites/categories that get blocked, the harder it is for employees to research and do their jobs, and the more likely it makes them to circumvent controls.