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Rich and American? Australia Wants You

An anonymous reader writes: Following the success of a millionaire visa program to attract wealthy Chinese, Australia has launched an invite-only visa program that promises citizenship to rich American entrepreneurs. To meet the requirements of the Premium Investment Visa plan Americans must first invest around 15 million Australian dollars. Reuters reports: "Investment advisors who have been briefed on the plan by government officials expressed doubts about the wisdom of targeting Americans, with several telling Reuters the more obvious place to start was Australia's Asian neighbors. After all, why would a successful U.S. entrepreneur want to invest a large chunk of cash in Australia — a country very similar to the United States, just further away from everything — in exchange for a passport that carries few additional benefits to their own? 'The U.S. has some problems that Australia doesn't have. It's got a lot more racial crimes, it's got a lot more gun-related crimes, but I don't think that is going to drive a whole bunch of ultra-rich Americans out of their country,' said Bill Fuggle, a partner at law firm Baker & McKenzie who advises wealthy Chinese migrating to Australia."

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  1. Abbot probably watches a lot of Fox... by NicBenjamin · · Score: 2

    Which is owned by an ex-Aussie, and is convinced that Obama's such a disaster that the rich are clamoring to leave.

    And I won't be surprised if that gets them some takers. Particularly if the GOP can't get it together and start getting a consistent lead on Hillary.

    There'll probably be a few more who do it because they want a rich democracy's passport,and don't like the fact the US taxes on global income (ie: if you make $1 Million in China and you;re Swedish you pay no Swedish taxes on it, just Chines; if you're American you pay both).

  2. Aussie freedoms are inferior by Karmashock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... Don't take it the wrong way... but I like the bill of rights. Put something in place that forbids the government from overstepping its bounds to any extent and Australia will be very interesting.

    Short of that... you're an interesting vacation destination. A nice place to visit but I need something like the Bill of Rights to call a country home.

    Too many people died to institute and then preserve that... and far more will die in futures to come.

    Australia does things all the time that just casually violate what I consider to be sacred rights. They just ban things... for the children. I can't have that. The gun thing is also important. I'm not a gun nut... but I believe I have a right to be dangerous in my own country and in my home. Not for hunting... not even for self defense... to be DANGEROUS. I feel that is an important check on anyone that would try to intimidate the people. If they understand that the people can and will turn on them with an instant militia of millions. That forces the elites to be careful.

    I know my views are incomprehensible to many. And that's fine. Its what I need to immigrate. Without that... I refuse. You're not offering me real citizenship in my opinion if you don't offer me a reasonable set of iron clad rights in the package.

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    1. Re:Aussie freedoms are inferior by quenda · · Score: 2

      ... Don't take it the wrong way... but I like the bill of rights. Put something in place that forbids the government from overstepping its bounds to any extent and Australia will be very interesting.

      Short of that... you're an interesting vacation destination. A nice place to visit but I need something like the Bill of Rights to call a country home.

      Well, you'd be quite at home in Russia then. Zimbabwe has a bill or rights too.

      What you really want is a thing called "rule of law". Australia has mostly the same rights as the US, unsurprising since both countries legal systems are based on British common law. We can all trace our rights back to the Magna Carta and beyond.

      I can get by without a bill of rights, but it was annoying having to quarter those soldiers in my house last year.

    2. Re:Aussie freedoms are inferior by Xiaran · · Score: 2

      Do you really think that a "instant militia of millions"(untrained fat blokes with hunting rifles and the occasional AR-15 wielding loon) is even vaguely a threat to the US military. The Iraqi army in the first gulf war was far better equipped, trained and experienced and they lasted about 45mins.

    3. Re:Aussie freedoms are inferior by Karmashock · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Given that the US military is mostly made up of their sons and brothers... yeah.

      What is more... we're everywhere. You can't defend a city from the people that live in it.

      The concept is sound, sir.

      And before you bad mouth it, consider that the Swiss literally give all the men in their society a machine gun and a bag full of bullets.

      The anti gun stuff is largely propaganda. You don't understand the issue.

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    4. Re:Aussie freedoms are inferior by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Put something in place that forbids the government from overstepping its bounds to any extent and Australia will be very interesting.

      And how well has that been working for you Americans recently?

      You have declared "constitution free zones".
      You detain and torture people in prisons with little to no judicial oversight or recourse.
      Your own president has executed a citizen under the guise of terrorism overseas by air-strike without any due process.
      Your idea of due process when you think you get it happens behind closed doors in secret courts.
      And even when someone in power occasionally has an idea that is positive to your freedoms it gets struck down in congress, in the white house, or better yet just simply gets done anyway without oversight by a three letter agency.

      10 years ago I would have agreed with you, but quite frankly your bill of rights these days holds about as much weight as the old parchment it is written on. The only thing that the government truly understands is that the instant militia is too busy watching Fox News and Lip Sync Battle to care about attacking their government, and even if they did your small militia is up against the might of the government's own army, the mightiest in the world, unless you can get them to disagree with their own leaders in which case you have a coup which history has shown always works out really well (/sarcasm).

    5. Re:Aussie freedoms are inferior by MrKaos · · Score: 3, Informative

      A nice place to visit but I need something like the Bill of Rights to call a country home.

      Many locals would agree and it is a long sort over goal for the country. When the country was presented an opportunity for its own Bill of Right in the 1980s many of the shock jock radio announcers lobbied heavily against it and it was defeated.

      I hope that some day one of those radio announcers are on the business end of not having those rights. As for the many morons who voted against the Bill it just shows how sadly apathetic many Australians have become, largely due to Murdoch and the News empire that grew up in Australia before becoming an American company.

      Faux News is the enemy of freedom in the land of the free.

      Australia does things all the time that just casually violate what I consider to be sacred rights.

      Yes, and many times it happens to promote American interests because our politicians are too spineless to stand up for themselves. No one likes it and the Trans Pacific Partnership is a fine example. We are not even allowed to see the text of a bill that is to be passed into law.

      They are things that everyday Australians object to and I'm certain everyday Americans would find it offensive too.

      I know my views are incomprehensible to many.

      No they are not and many reasonable educated Australians would agree with you. We need a Bill of Rights more than ever. If you are prepared to make your views known to Australian politicians it would be most welcome.

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    6. Re:Aussie freedoms are inferior by Major+Blud · · Score: 2

      "The Iraqi army in the first gulf war was far better equipped, trained and experienced and they lasted about 45mins."

      So that explains why the present situation in Iraq has been a cakewalk for the past 10 years?

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    7. Re:Aussie freedoms are inferior by Karmashock · · Score: 2

      Cite the constitution free zones?

      Our constitution makes no provision for torturing terrorists etc. So I don't know what you're talking about. And really calling waterboarding torture is a bit of a stretch. Regardless, all that whine does is force us to go back to Cold War methods which means either truth drugs or we give the fellow to a willing allied power that will do the deed for us while we take notes. Either way... you're denied your political ammunition which is really all you care about in the first place.

      As to killing an enemy in the field, you don't need to have a trial for that. If during WW2, someone joined the Nazis and started helping them with something... it would have been fine to kill them in Germany or where ever on the spot.This is a well understood concept and is not in dispute by any but the comically ignorant or irredeemably deceitful.

      As to secret courts, you have a very good point here for once. And I agree with you. However, problems and struggles do not negate the whole character of the nation or its laws.

      As to problems in our congress... this is a price you pay when you have a real democracy. People don't always agree. If you want everyone to march in step, then have yourself a dictatorship. Go to North Korea and listen to them all clap in unison. Every freedom has a price. If you have to ask the price then you can't afford it. Put the chains on and leave those burdens to your betters... I choose to pay the price. Freedom is worth everything or someone will talk you into slavery.

      As to this notion that the army is going to engage a rebellion directly... the context is wrong. yes... the people all together would not be able to defeat the US military if it held disapline and followed orders and there were no defections. But it do none of those things.

      And beyond that you're missing that we're everywhere. If things get that crazy the insurgency will be unstoppable. You saw how much trouble the US military had in Iraq with insurgents. Imagine that with the US population.

      You're thinking in terms of pitched battles. Since when have the American PEOPLE ever fought that way? We didn't fight that way against the British and we wouldn't fight against any other oppressive military force that way either.

      Hit and run. Strike and vanish.

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    8. Re: Aussie freedoms are inferior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      America self corrects towards freedom/liberty. Australia does not.

    9. Re:Aussie freedoms are inferior by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      Death penalty it is. Even Russia doesn't execute.
      And yes, here in Germany, there is right to roam. I am allowed to walk and cycle even through private forests and field paths. In Nordic countries, for example, the right to roam is even much more extensive.

      Public parks, ha! A country where I cannot wander around as I want is an unfree country which I won't ever visit on my spare time (also I don't want to be arrested for walking, like it happened to Bob Dylan).

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    10. Re:Aussie freedoms are inferior by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

      There are no rights but natural rights.

      I get it: for you to break out of the European theocratic tradition of limited, divinely-granted human rights is really, really hard.

  3. Re: Sounds like a good deal! by therufus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't bother. We're full. We have a housing crisis and the cost of living in a major city is criminal.

    I pay $450/wk rent for a two bedroom unit 40 mins from Sydney. Young people growing up here have no chance of owning a house because we have an influx of Asians who have moved over and bought all our property, paid for by their rich parents.

    He's right. It's a trap!

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  4. What a load of horse shit by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 5, Insightful

    " a country very similar to the United States... The U.S. has some problems that Australia doesn't have. It's got a lot more racial crimes, it's got a lot more gun-related crimes"

    Australia has twice the burglary rate and a higher rape rate. Australia has a ban happy nanny-state government. Australia has a lot of race crimes against Aborigines that just aren't reported in their pop media. Australia's cost of living is almost twice what it is in the U.S. Australia still has a fucking queen.

    Australia is like the U.S. except with the fun and awesome parts removed, and instead replaced with the U.K.

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    1. Re:What a load of horse shit by chihowa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      However, Australia has almost no guns, or gun deaths. This is a good thing or a bad thing depending on your point of view.

      You guys seem to fixate on the lack of gun deaths like it's some sort of magnificent selling point, but it just isn't a relevant factor for the vast majority of Americans.

      Most Americans never face any sort of gun-related violence at all. I don't know anybody who's ever been shot or has shot anybody in the US. Gun violence in the US is largely perpetrated by the urban poor against other urban poor. Nobody else in the US, besides professional worriers, lives their life in fear of being shot.

      I notice that the poor, who are responsible for nearly all of the gun deaths in the US, are conspicuously absent from your invitation to immigrate to Australia, by the way.

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  5. Australian citizenship by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 4, Funny

    I tried applying for Australian citizenship once but they turned me down as I didn't have a criminal record.

  6. Guns by roninmagus · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't understand why guns always come up when non-Americans talk about America. I have lived here my entire 30 years, IN THE SOUTH, and have not seen a single gun in public except in the hands of a police officer. I own guns and most of my family do as well. But I've never seen them in public.

    1. Re:Guns by dfenstrate · · Score: 2

      Guns do nothing on their own, so calling them 'gun deaths' is disingenuous, and allows you to ignore a multitude of other relevant factors.

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  7. Re:Detroitland by j-beda · · Score: 2

    That's great! As soon as alllllll the richie richers leave, the entiiiiiire USA can be like Detroit! It's gonna be fucking awesome!!

    Not a problem. The US and Eritrea are pretty much the only countries in the world that taxes non-resident citizens. Usually I would question any policy only followed by a single other country, but in this situation I can see why a country might like to have such a policy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Giving up your US Citizenship might help your unborn children's tax situation, but might not help yours:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    "U.S. citizens who renounce their citizenship are subject under certain circumstances to an expatriation tax, which is meant to extract from the expatriate taxes that would have been paid had they remained a citizen: all property of a covered expatriate is deemed sold for its fair market value on the day before the expatriation date, which usually results in a capital gain, which is taxable income."

  8. Re:Detroitland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Many areas of the country are like that. Running as anything but a Republican in many red states is just as laughable as running as anything but a Democrat in Chicago. That, of course, assumes that there's even enough distinction between the parties to claim that we have a two-party system with a straight face.

  9. Re:Detroitland by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This synopsis says :

    'The U.S. has some problems that Australia doesn't have. It's got a lot more racial crimes,

    Seriously? C'mon, there aren't that many racial crimes in the US (I'm guessing a racial crime means white on black crime?).

    We've just had a few cases that have been blown up by the 24/7 news media. It isn't like we're over here beating each other up when we see someone different walking across the street. Geez.

    I'd dare say most people in the US couldn't give a fuck about what their fellow citizens are doing. Most of us are way too busy trying to support OUR own families and get ahead in life and enjoy life a bit.

    Most of us here don't have the time to go out of our way to suppress or commit crimes against another race different than ourselves.

    It isn't even on most of our citizens' daily life radar.

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  10. Re:Detroitland by rbrander · · Score: 2

    You have to love the " even higher taxes " as if the USA were a high-tax regime already and Australia barely manages to top it. For the "Rich people" at issue, the USA has some of the lowest taxes anywhere. Jamaica has lower top-tier taxes than the USA does (or anybody): only 15%. Why not move there? English spoken, close to the USA, sunny beaches.

    No, seriously, libertarian types: why not Jamaica? There is no "Galt's Gulch" in the real world (we're sorry) but you could move to Jamaica. I can't figure out why they don't.

  11. Re:Detroitland by fyngyrz · · Score: 2

    It's not a problem with black. It's a problem with gangster society, which transcends race - Whites, Hispanics, Orientals, Blacks, you name it, all have been pulled in.

    Racism is idiocy. Recognizing that a subculture is toxic is just common sense.

    Most people are too busy trying to appear politically correct to make any sense at all when these issues come up. A good number of the rest are far too deeply mired in their own prejudices to understand what is actually wrong. Between the two, it becomes very difficult indeed to have any hope for remediation.

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