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Multiple Sources Confirm Windows 10 has Reached RTM

Ammalgam writes: Multiple sources are reporting that Microsoft has finally hit the release to manufacturing (RTM) milestone with Windows 10. A new build of Windows 10, number 10240, is available to Windows Insiders on both the fast and slow track. Microsoft has made no official statement yet.

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  1. Funny by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's Windows 10 and the build number for the RTM is exactly 1024 * 10, and it takes 10 bits to reach 1024.

    1. Re:Funny by nmb3000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's Windows 10 and the build number for the RTM is exactly 1024 * 10, and it takes 10 bits to reach 1024.

      It's something of a tradition for Windows releases to have cute build numbers.

      Windows 95: 950
      Windows 98: 1,998
      Windows 98 SE: 2,222
      Windows ME: 3,000
      Windows 2000: 2195 (the NT folks tried to stay boring)
      Windows XP: 2,600
      Windows Vista: 6000
      Windows 7: 7,600
      Windows 8: 9,200 (they wanted it to be 8,888, but that is not a multiple of 16).

      Windows 10 being 10240 is certainly cute, being 10 * 2^10.

      But I wouldn't get too worked up over it. As Raymond says:

      There’s not much point in trying to “conserve” build numbers. They’re just numbers. They don’t cost anything. The important thing is that no two builds are given the same build number.

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  2. Re:I've got the DVDs waiting to burn .ISOs by gigaherz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is a known fact (or well, highly guessable at least), that Microsoft's goal has shifted from selling Operating Systems, to having a mostly free platform ("free" in this case implies the user has paid the "Microsoft Tax" at least once in the life of the device), as a means to make the Windows Store as accessible as possible.

    All of the new features in Visual Studio 2015 regarding porting apps from Android/iOS, all the rumors that there may be Windows 10 phones "soon", etc. simply confirm this. Microsoft's goal is to make it as easy as possible to purchase things from the Store, so that they can get their cut of the sales.

  3. Re:I've got the DVDs waiting to burn .ISOs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Meaning...what exactly?

    You seem to be suggesting, despite injecting the word "prophetic" into the sentence without apparently knowing what it means, that Windows 10 won't be free as advertised. So put your cards on the table, then, what do you think they're going to do exactly? They're going to offer it for free and then send the leg-breakers around to people's houses in a year asking for protection money? They're going to spring a monthly fee rental on people after they've installed it, and when people complain and threaten to sue they're going to laugh maniacally?

    What "hot mess" are you referring to? What information are you privy to that the rest of us aren't?

  4. Re:Looking over the cliff. Jump? by PRMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So what does the free upgrade to 10 from 7 get me?

    As I said above: Speed. Battery life. DirectX12. 3 more years of bug-fix support.

    Will I have a normal UI, i.e. non-tablet/phone?

    Yes. It boots to a desktop just like Windows 7.

    Will programs including games break?

    All of my programs work perfectly. I don't game on my laptop, but many gamers are saying it works great.

    Drivers for basic stuff like sound and Geforcd 3D card?

    The driver model hasn't changed since Vista, so 99% of all drivers should work just fine as is (there's always that 1% of driver developers that did something REALLY stupid). If you can't find "Windows 10" driver for something, just try the newest Vista/7/8 driver instead. Should work just fine. NVidia has been advertising Windows 10 support in their last several releases, so I'm sure you are good there.

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  5. Re:I've got the DVDs waiting to burn .ISOs by nine-times · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think there's another possibility: Windows will become permanently free (gratis) for home and non-commercial use.

    I actually think this would be a really smart move for Microsoft at this time. Apple and Google have beaten them in the mobile area, and Apple has been making inroads on the desktop, even in businesses. Some businesses and schools are even opting for Chromebooks. Windows doesn't provide them with the sort of leverage and dominance that it used to.

    As people move away from Windows, not only does Microsoft lose the revenue from licensing, they also start losing an advantage in selling their other products/services. If you run a business and all of your desktops are Macs or Chromebooks, then having a Windows domain isn't nearly as useful. If you're not running Outlook on Windows, then the value of Exchange Server is diminished. (They have Outlook for Mac, but it's not as good, and they have no Outlook for Linux) A lot of their expensive management tools and services become much more effective when your network is all Windows servers and Windows desktops/laptops.

    In that sense, I could see an argument that Microsoft should give away Windows to consumers (and maybe even businesses) as a loss leader in order to sell various services, similar to the way that Apple provides OSX and the iLife/iWork software "free" as a way to sell their hardware. Personally, I think they should restructure Office 365 to include various management tools, like MDM, RMM, SSO, and remote control similar to LogMeIn. Turn it into a one-stop shop for IT departments to control all of their servers and desktops, with an eye toward eventually enabling IT to replace onsite domain controllers and file servers with a completely hosted cloud solution, where that would be desirable. Provide similar (but simplified) functionality for home users, including update management, cloud managed AV, find-my-phone (or laptop), remote control, cloud backup, etc.

    I think that's the best move for long-term growth: give away Windows, come up with a well defined set of subscription services that provide useful features that integrate well with Windows, and price those subscriptions cheaply enough that IT departments and home users will say, "why not?", and then try to make money on volume.

    Besides, making Windows free removes the biggest reason people have to stay on old versions of Windows, and old versions of Windows are more expensive for Microsoft to support. I think that's why Apple started making their OS upgrades free.

  6. Re:I know by WheezyJoe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not me. Been beta-testing the preview builds for the last bunch of months, and I'm honestly unhappy to say there's no must-have, great, or even kinda-cool feature in 10 that compels me to upgrade from 7 (other than the stick-it-to-ya of planned obsolescence).

    OTOH, there's a lot in Windows 10 that's just irritating. The lack of customizability in the UI (if you don't like the flat, playskool look, you're SOL). The yanking out of some of the fun time-wasting games (some have been replaced with "modern" versions for... what exactly? to acclimate users to the "modern" look? to force users to browse through the Store to find Minesweeper?). The unpolished split between the "modern" Settings app and the Control Panel for getting real work done. The insistence that you sign into a Microsoft account. The click-bait-laden live-tiles. The defaults to the use of ugly, too-big, less-capable "modern" apps for basic functions like PDF viewing, photo viewing, or even a simple calculator.

    If I think about it,if I move from 7 because 7 is at EOL, I am going to spend my first bunch of hours shutting off everything that 10 offers. I would ditch Edge/Project Spartan for Chrome, first thing. Dull down the colors any way I can. Install classic-shell. Shut off the click-bait live-tiles from aggravating my ADHD with TMZ OMG bullcrap. Un-modernize everything by installing and making default 7-versions of the calculator, a PDF viewer, minesweeper, VLC, rainmeter, WinAero Tweaker, Picassa, etc. And then probably go looking for some skinning hacks, if any work on 10, because I can't stand that awful playskool look.

    In other words, spend hours undoing everything that makes 10 look and act like 10. That's a helluva lot of wasted time for what's supposed to be an "upgrade". And for what? Touch? I don't use touch. DirectX 12? I don't game enough AAA titles to know the difference. The only reason I see to go to 10 is because Microsoft plans on pulling the plug on 7. Eventually. Or maybe if 10 handles scaling properly on ultra-high-res screens. Eventually.

    If Windows to you is merely a platform from which to launch Steam and your favorite full-screen game(s), you probably have nothing to lose with 10. If you have a Surface, the "modern" apps make some sense (although when I tried them, Android and iOS equivalents are more polished and work better). But if you actually have to get real work done on the desktop like you do in 7 every day, 10 don't offer not one damn thing for the trouble. None that I can tell, anyway.

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