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FBI Helps Shut Down Piracy Sites In Romania

An anonymous reader writes: The FBI has taken a major role in the shutting down of at least two popular piracy-torrent sites in Romania, according to a report from Romania's High Court of Cassation and Justice. The popular torrenting domains serialepenet.ro and fisierulmeu.ro are now offline after a series of raids on individuals and companies, including a hosting company in Bucharest thought to have some involvement with the pirate operation.

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  1. of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Now that Russia is making progress expanding towards NATO ex-communist countries there is no surprise that USA is cleaning up a bit Romania starting with corruption and ending with file sharing.

  2. Thank you FBI! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Once again the world is safe!

  3. Deinitely should read the first article by Crashmarik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    FBI programs in Romania have spent more than $4.6mn [PDF] (£2.9mn) in interdepartmental programs and initiatives with Romania-based authorities since 2007, which costs include the placement of an agent within the country’s Organised Crime Directorate – an organization within the Romanian police force – and additional personnel at the Southeast European Cooperative Initiative (SECI) centre, an investment amounting to $3.4mn (£2.1mn).

    Looks like 8 million in tax dollars or additional debt spent on this program. I wonder if they have any numbers on the return on investment defending hollywood's interests overseas.

    1. Re:Deinitely should read the first article by KGIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can say, with some certainty, that shutting these sites down has accomplished nothing. The files are still there and three clicks later you have now set a new torrent up at TPB or another torrent site. I do not mind paying taxes (I do avoid them, as is my obligation - I donate to causes I prefer instead) but I do mind when my taxes are misspent.

      Taxes are not like a gift. If you gift something they can give it away or do anything they want with it - you gave it to them and it is now their property. Taxes are paying for services, services that will benefit the taxed and citizens at large. This has done absolutely nothing to assist, promote, or further the American taxpayer. There is no excuse, there is no acceptable level, this is just wrong.

      I hate to play this card but, really, how many people would that money have fed, housed, treated medically, educated, or heated in the cold of night? How far could NASA have gone with this? CERN? DARPA? Securing our boarders? Gift and install free solar panels? I do not care... At least the money would have, ostensibly, been kept here, where it belongs, where it benefits the taxpayer.

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    2. Re:Deinitely should read the first article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alleged.
      Given the organized crime in Romania, one would say there is a massive miss-allocation of resources where they are needed most.
      Estonia, Russia and Seychelles will be happy, because now they will rake in all the hard currency, and future growth = .ro having committed early eco-cyber-suicide. You don't want the money, other countries will take it - even Switzerland and Norway are taking an 'honest banker' approach.
      A crummy 3 mil in exchange for potentially 100's mils of hard currency - well done, losers.

      Play whack a mole - some other country will scoop in the bucks, say Somalia and Syria, as long as 20% is donated - have the potential to grow, if Greece decides too, that it does not need foreign income over and above olive and goat cheese exports.Like to see the FBI throw its weight about in Sicily for that matter too. The table of shame goes .nz, .au, .ro and soon .uk as bootlickers go.

    3. Re:Deinitely should read the first article by tomhath · · Score: 1

      I doubt that file sharing is the only organized crime activity in that country.

    4. Re:Deinitely should read the first article by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, Hollywood is getting a great ROI.

      Look, American law enforcement has become an enforcement arm for copyright and defending business interests.

      DHS is now responsible for monitoring for copyright infringement, and the customs agents are responsible for doing search and seizure.

      They're doing their job ... defending the oligarchy they now work for.

      If you haven't been paying attention to the fact that the US government is literally doing IP enforcement on behalf of the copyright cartel, you've not been paying attention.

      Hell, US foreign policy/trade policy is both written by, and in the service of, the copyright cartel.

      Don't you know the US government works for multinational corporations now to ensure maximizing corporate profits?

      I really wish I was joking, but I'm not.

      This is hardly the first time US agencies have expended lots of resources to protect copyright ... Kim.com for instance. It sure as hell won't be the last.

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    5. Re:Deinitely should read the first article by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 0

      Taxes are not like a gift.

      Quite so. More like extortion, really - "Give us your money or bad things will happen to you"....

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      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    6. Re:Deinitely should read the first article by hooiberg · · Score: 1

      They can always join the latest hype and dump all the money in Greece. Dumping tax money abroad is totally fashionable these days

    7. Re:Deinitely should read the first article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real kicker is hollywood is well known for "hollywood accounting" and dont pay taxes yet consume milllions of dollars in taxpayer funded resources which could have went to solving real crimes that people who do pay taxes want solved.

    8. Re:Deinitely should read the first article by CurryCamel · · Score: 1

      This has done absolutely nothing to assist, promote, or further the American taxpayer. [...] How far could NASA have gone with this? CERN? DARPA? Securing our boarders? Gift and install free solar panels? I do not care... At least the money would have, ostensibly, been kept here, where it belongs, where it benefits the taxpayer.

      My vote goes for the CERN option!

    9. Re:Deinitely should read the first article by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      No, but Transylvanians have been renowned especially for leeching.

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    10. Re: Deinitely should read the first article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporations are people now. Haven't you heard that yet?

    11. Re:Deinitely should read the first article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taxes are not like a gift, just like robbery is not like a gift.

    12. Re:Deinitely should read the first article by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That sounds reasonable to me. I am not picky. There is almost nowhere/no way they could have spent this money in a more meaningless way.

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    13. Re:Deinitely should read the first article by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      "three clicks later"

      Be careful with that, remember you're never more than TWO clicks away from black cocks!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j4Y5Js-mcA

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    14. Re:Deinitely should read the first article by CurryCamel · · Score: 1

      "Woosh", I believe is the term.
      Or does CERN stand for something else than Conseil Europeen pour la Recherche Nucleaire back there?
      (pardon my french, /. text encodings seem broken)

    15. Re:Deinitely should read the first article by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I had meant Fermilab but, alas, that is not what I typed and, strangely, I never noticed my mistake until you pointed it out. Ah well. ;) I will make more and better mistakes in the future.

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  4. So wait... by silentcoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since when does the FBI have jurisdiction over citizens of Romania ?

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    1. Re:So wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. If I was a Romanian I'd pretty much be thinking that my government just sold me out to foreigners, some government that is.

    2. Re:So wait... by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "Since when does the FBI have jurisdiction over citizens of Romania ?"

      Since when are pirates and parrots in Romania?

    3. Re:So wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA, retard.

    4. Re: So wait... by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      You must be new here...

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    5. Re:So wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when does the FBI have jurisdiction over citizens of Romania ?

      Assisting law enforcement agencies in other countries is not the same thing as exercising jurisdiction over the citizens of said countries.

    6. Re:So wait... by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      We have jurisdiction over any country that threatens our profits. If you think otherwise, feel free to point out any country that does not respect our patents and copyrights.

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    7. Re:So wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they don't have jurisdiction, however, they are ''protecting'' predominantly assets of u.s.-based media empires (who pay-off the lawmakers who set the f.b.i. budget, among other things) so they 'work with' local authorities and at their 'invitation to operate on their soil'... and well, the u.s. likes to stick their nose into everything everywhere anyway... not like they 'need' a reason.

    8. Re: So wait... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Some of us are professionals. We do not even read the summary. Or stay on topic... It's "how we do." (I kind of sort of think that is the jargon. I am not fluent in current vernacular and I'd appreciate it kindly if the kids would stop shitting on my lawn.)

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    9. Re:So wait... by tshawkins · · Score: 2

      China... big fat middle finger straight up in the air.........

    10. Re:So wait... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Somalia, North Korea, China, Cuba, etc...

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    11. Re:So wait... by iTrawl · · Score: 1

      They don't have jurisdiction and they don't need jurisdiction. They just play consultant to the Romanian authorities, who apply local law. Sure, the FBI prods the authorities to apply that law, but it's the authorities that do that, not the FBI. Also, this might be a "collect call consulting" type of affair, where the FBI pays the Romanian government a fee to be allowed to consult and "help out" in the investigations.

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    12. Re:So wait... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      They don't. Foreign countries ask the FBI for help all the time, because they have huge resources and the foreign countries don't. But don't let me interrupt the Two Minutes' Hate you've got going on...

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    13. Re:So wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China.

    14. Re:So wait... by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Since when does the FBI have jurisdiction over citizens of Romania ?

      Where in the summary or the news piece does it say they have jurisdiction in Romania? The original article even quotes Romanian prosecutors statement that this was a cooperative investigation. There is nothing that prevents the FBI from helping out the Romanian authorities by providing the intel and expertise needed to shut down these sites except the refusal of the Romanian authorities to accept FBI assistance. The FBI, DEA, Scotland Yard, Germany's BKA, France's Police Nationale and many other law enforcement agencies all participate in operations abroad and provide assistance to law enforcement in other countries. If you are going to chew out the FBI for cracking down on software pirates at least RTFA please feel free to exercise your 1st amendment right to do so, just try to find a more potent argument than that the FBI is engaging in the mundane every day task of *SHOCK/AWE*-cross border law enforcement cooperation!!

    15. Re:So wait... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Would that be the government guaranteeing them safety from Russia via NATO?

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    16. Re: So wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FBI deserves a lot more than two minutes. They spend money and lots of it on keeping corporate profits safe, they spend tons of money creating fake terrorists who they can then bust (easy when you supplied the idea, the plans, and the materials) and then they won't investigate crimes against ordinary people unless of course the amount of money involved is large.

      Oh, and let's not forget their historical role in keeping the country safe from people who want to be politically active in groups that aren't hard line right wing corporatist. Gotta infiltrate, discredit and bust that kind of thinking right up you know.

    17. Re:So wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean go off-site? We would not be here then in the first place if we wanted that.

    18. Re:So wait... by hooiberg · · Score: 1

      What is this 'copyright' of which you speak?

    19. Re:So wait... by Yomers · · Score: 1

      Yes, Russia 3-rd ultimate goal is to occupy Romania! First two are Honduras (Ha! Nobody expect ..) and a Falkland Islands (take that, Argentina and UK!). Right after that - Romania! Sneaky Russians seemingly not paying attention to Romania, harbouring secret hopes it will quit NATO, and then... BAM!

    20. Re:So wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      trick question...

      During the industrial revolution, can you name the country which was well known for wholesale IP Theft?

      Pot, meet kettle.

    21. Re:So wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Those Russkies are indeed sneaky.

      Look at the way they keep moving their country around NATO bases.

    22. Re:So wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somalia. I hear it's full of pirates there.

    23. Re:So wait... by dkman · · Score: 1

      Of course I didn't read the article, but I imagine it went down more like this:

      FBI: We know of some groups hosting what we deem to be illegal content within your borders and we'd like to shut them down. If you agree to tag along we can call this a cooperative effort. As a bonus you'll get to keep the servers we confiscate.

      RO: Well, OK.

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    24. Re:So wait... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "have jurisdiction over citizens of ... "
      Most of the gifts and joint efforts establish a long term foothold in other nations. A nation of interest gets upgrades to secure networks, fast new software that always needs "free" updates and upgrades.
      Local staff are then invited on fact finding trips to learn more about 'very' advance methods and return with new ideas and more news about emerging technology.
      Over time the trips become routine to meet with their new colleagues.
      Who uses the systems diligently or is much more cautious about sharing local methods and the best informant details long term. The question of local files or the vast shared network.
      Some advice can be offered over who has a good working relationship with and might get promoted locally.
      Hearts and minds over many decades. Free offers of further education, funding, trips go far. Military intelligence and all vital counter surveillance teams would be getting the same help.
      Jurisdiction becomes a friendly request between "international" staff who have known each other for years as their bosses did.

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    25. Re:So wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to Canada. Harper has sold out Canadians to the US government at every opportunity that he has gotten.

  5. Not torrent sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    serialepenet.ro was a streaming site and fisierulmeu.ro was a file sharing site (similar to rapidshare, mega, etc). Neither of those of are torrent sites. The major torrent trackers in Romania are doing bussines as usual.

  6. Context: by FlexPlexico · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This doesn't strike me as a massive crackdown, but it may pave the way for future actions. "serialepenet.ro" looked like a very dodgy attempt to set up an incredibly illegal pay-per-view online system for pirated material. I feel like it's the sort of thing that would be taken down instantly if it had been set up anywhere else than the backwoods of Eastern Europe. Plus, "fisierulmeu.ro" was likely just a free file hosting site that became popular for sharing pirated media (much like the defunct megaupload).

    The cynical view would be that this just an attempt to kill off competitors in preparation for launching a similar service. Something very similar happened a few years ago, when they took down the massively popular "vplay.ro" (essentially a free youtube clone that featured all the popular TV shows). Only a few days later, one of the local media moguls launched his own site "voyo.ro" providing the same things vplay had before, only now requiring a monthly subscription.

    Meanwhile, private torrent tracker "filelist.ro" is still alive and kicking, and it's gotten so immensely popular everyone's grandma and their dog have an account for it. This action will affect the most PC-illiterate pirates, but won't likely make a dent in overall piracy.

    1. Re:Context: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This action will affect the most PC-illiterate pirates, but won't likely make a dent in overall piracy.

      Doesn't matter, the event provides documentation that can be shown to shareholders that the piracy issue is dealt with.

  7. New Guantanamo Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the early 90's all Romanians were really happy to hear that the USA opened a military base on the Black Sea.
    They were happy because the Russians stopped yapping about Romania joining the "Commonwealth of Independent States", that is the former USSR.
    Now that base is on the main secret prisons mean to replace Guantanamo Bay.
    Really good job there.

    No surprise the FBI is so active in the country.

    1. Re:New Guantanamo Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All countries in that area bend and twist any way they can to get any kind of western support that will keep the fucking Russians at bay.

      Also, our laws on piracy are very very permissive. If those idiots got caught, then it was due to something highly illegal like money laundering which TFA mentions. There are plenty other and far more popular websites they're not touching. The piracy angle is cute, but nowhere near as important.

      PS. For some added perspective, the newschannel source of this piece is PROTV, equivalent to USA's FOX.

  8. God job grandpa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did not know it was still worth going after piracy.

  9. Living in Romania, I would gladly pay for content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I live in Romania and have used lots of pirating sites out of necessity, not out of unwillingness to pay for content. Romania has only a handful of internet content providers, HBO Go being one of the first (I'm a subscriber). We don't have Netflix, Amazon Prime is a pipedream, Google just recently opened up their ebooks and music store for the Romanian market (I'm already a subscriber for the music bit), but their movies store is still inaccessible here. There are some local online stores affiliated to local TV stations (SeeNow, Antena Play come to mind), but the quality is just as low as the TV stations sponsoring them. HBO Go at least has a reputation (even though they keep their offerings online for too short a time, and their mobile/tablet app severely lags behind the western counterpart in terms of stability and features -- e.g. chromecast support only recently added)

    I have no problem with law enforcement trying to put pressure on the pirate sites as long as I can get SOME decent content that I can pay a decent fee for. My problem is, the US should try to convince their media companies to open their offerings to Eastern European markets at the same time (or before) they pressure law enforcement to stop pirates that fill in the content void.

  10. They went after 2 sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that no one has ever heard of. Way to go.

    1. Re:They went after 2 sites by FlexPlexico · · Score: 1

      They went after 2 sites that no one has ever heard of. Way to go.

      You may not have heard of them, but they are fairly well known in the country and ranked fairly high in Google searches for common terms (although I don't remember ever using them myself).

      In a place where a Gigabit consumer internet connections are readily available for 14$/month, it's very easy to set up your own server to host pirated content to locals. This would generate an enormous amount of traffic and allow you to skim some money off of it by serving some well-placed ads. I'm guessing this is probably what got them the attention of the FBI.

      (source: http://www.rcs-rds.ro/internet...)

  11. And I almost thought GOOD by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Before I read the summary, I was honestly thinking they finally shut down a few Trojan C&C servers in Romania and thought "about FUCKING time!".

    Then I read the summary and realized that, nope, still not doing anything remotely beneficial for the public, our three letter friends.

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  12. thank you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly. We need USA money at home.

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