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There Is No "Next Great Copyright Act", Remain Calm

Lirodon writes: A YouTube video has gone viral, particularly around the art community (and the subsection of the art community populated by the same type of people who tend to spread these around to begin with), making bold claims that a revision to U.S. copyright law is being considered, with a particular focus on orphan works. Among other things, this video claims that it would require all works to be registered with a for-profit registry to be protected, that unregistered works would be "orphaned" and be usable by "good faith infringers" and allow others to make derivative works that they would own entirely. Thankfully, this is all just hyperbole proliferated by a misinterpretation of a report on orphan works by the U.S. Copyright Office, as Graphic Policy explains.

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  1. Shocking. by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Random Youtube video found to be distorting facts and be less than insightful. I never saw THAT coming.

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    1. Re:Shocking. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's almost like you can't get your information from random strangers based totally on your friends/family saying "Hey did you hear about this" anymore.

      Next, you're going to tell me that Bill Gates really doesn't enter me in the International Lottery every time I forward cat videos to Nigerian Princes. (Hey, those guys keep dying. If anyone needs mindless entertainment, it's them!)

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    2. Re:Shocking. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You seriously think the Republicans will reform copyright if they get in office? If they do, it'll be in favour of their corporate overlords, and We The People will git shafted even more.

      I think they're a little more likely to. Freshwater economists (who the Republicans favor) are generally against long copyrights and protectionism/mercantilism of any form (Milton Friedman was one among several who signed a letter urging congress to vote against the Mickey Mouse Protection Act, saying that it's a "no brainer" that it shouldn't be passed.)

      Keynesian (aka salt water) economists, which Democrats often favor, tend to like that kind of thing however, along with other protectionist measures (e.g. tariffs, "make work" projects, and the like.) Also, the Democrats are basically owned by Hollywood.

    3. Re:Shocking. by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I meant corporations are pulling the strings in both parties. The corporations are pretty much in control now, just ask any politician who is grubbing for money on Wall Street. I see virtually no difference between the two major parties at this point. They spout different red meat rhetoric, but they bow to the same master.

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  2. WHUT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Thankfully, this is all just hyperbole proliferated by a misinterpretation of a report on orphan works by the U.S. Copyright Office"

    Why 'thankfully'?

  3. Re:that's a shame by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you don't register a work you can never receive monetary damages from infringers, only an injunction.

    No. If you don't have the work registered, you can only go for the injunction, and for your customary rates/invoicing on the work in question. What having the work registered does is allow you to take the infringement case to federal court, and to seek punitive damages.

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  4. Re:The next great copyright scam by suutar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    but if it doesn't make that back in 14 years, is it ever going to?

  5. Re:Copyright needs reform by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about back down to what they were originally in this country: 14 years with an optional 14 year extension that you had to specifically file for.

    If I were able to reshape copyright law myself, I'd do three things:

    1) All new works are copyrighted for 14 years plus a one-time 14 year extension that you must file for.

    2) All non-commercial infringing (i.e. no profit motive - and, no, ads don't count) would carry a penalty of $100 times the market value of the work. For example, get caught distributing 500 MP3s? Your fine would be around $50,000 (500 * $1). Still high, but not "bankrupt you for life" high.

    3) All existing copyrights would phase out gradually. (This would be a concession to businesses.) Starting with the oldest material, five years' worth of material would enter the public domain every year until all material was under the new copyright length. This should give companies plenty of time to plan for the public domain.

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  6. But there is a "Next Great Copyright Act" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's called the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Extends the copyright term to 120 years, eliminates fair use as a copyright infringement defense, and institutes extrajudicial legal proceedings that allow copyright holders to seize your property if it is being used to "infringe."

  7. Are we reading the same US code? by Xenographic · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, if you haven't registered the work, you're only able to get actual damages (which is something like your 'customary rates' but it depends on what you can prove) rather than statutory damages and attorney's fees. Actual damages are close to what you said, but statutory damages are not "punitive" damages at all.

    But don't take my word for it, read the actual law on the subject.

    Oh, and it so happens that you can register just before filing suit, but a registration that isn't timely doesn't have the same presumption of validity that it would if you were registering long before there was a lawsuit close on the horizon.

  8. Re:The next great copyright scam by davester666 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some francise-oriented work goes on for 14 years. Not a lot.

    And they aren't going "well, this first one bombed, but we'll go ahead with the other 6 anyway".

    The first one makes a jillion, then they go ahead with #2. And sometimes, if #1 is a really huge hit, they'll go ahead and film #2 & #3 at the same time, particularly to make the movies cheaper and retain the characters at the same age. If #1 bombs, the rest don't ever see the light of day.

    The VAST majority of the money received for 99.99% of all movies are received in the first couple of years after the movie is released.

    Past that, for movies, music and books, it's a lottery ticket. Every once in awhile, it winds up being popular for longer than that, or it comes back into vogue. Basically a fluke.

    Nobody OK's a movie based on the financial returns of a 90 year copyright term. They go ahead if it projects to making a good profit inside a couple of years. After that, it's straightup gravy.

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  9. Re:The next great copyright scam by Oligonicella · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "... because the typical person does not benefit." Utter bullshit. Anyone creative enough can obtain a copyright, patent or trademark and benefit from it. If someone writes a book, without copyright protection the first lazy moron who comes along can take it and publish it as their own.

    "People get paid by the fact that only they can create a particular piece of art or item, up against true competition." This time shallow bullshit. Without protections, the moment any creative item is available a *corporation* could simply abscond with it, out produce the individual and take it from them.

    Same old screed from those who can't create - "I want access to yours for nothing."

  10. In favor of paid copyright protection by johannesg · · Score: 2

    This is how copyright should be changed: give every 'work' ten years of free protection - plenty to understand whether it is making money or not. And beyond that, allow for infinitely repeatable five-year terms, paid for at a progressive rate. That way everyone can be happy: basic protection is in place for free, and anything that is valuable can be protected up to its economic value but not beyond.

    Copyright owners can be happy: they finally have their infinite copyright - or at least as it makes sense economically.
    The public can be happy, as older works will eventually fall into public domain.
    The government can be happy, as copyrighted works become a steady source of income.

    See, everybody is happy!

    1. Re:In favor of paid copyright protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We already have a system where copyright is extended indefinitely in exchange for money. It's called lobbying.

  11. Re:The next great copyright scam by strstr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So what is wrong with the first lazy slob coming along and copying it?

    I just don't see why book writers won't continue to write books but do it for free or little return.

    I also believe in ditching capitolism entirely and moving to pure communism. The kind where there is no money or class system, and everyone works for free but also gets everything provided for free such as housing, food, education, healthcare, clothes, transportation, and everyone gets the same amount of it.

    Pure communism has never existed but it is the best most advanced form of socialism. And better than capitolism. Capitolism is an enslavement system, where people with egos get to think and live that "we are better than everyone else" when they really aren't better than anyone.

  12. Re:The next great copyright scam by nmb3000 · · Score: 2

    Then why should it get a benefit of a monopoly rent and free government support at the expense of free expression?

    For the same reason that you get it, when it comes to your own works.

    What kind of a reason is that? It sounds like you're saying that we should just set limits based on whatever the greediest want -- after all, it means it applies to everybody, so it must be fair, right?

    There's a phrase for that: tragedy of the commons. Our shared culture, of which creative works are a large part, is being gobbled up and locked away behind effectively infinite imaginary property laws. Just because anybody can do it doesn't make it right or acceptable.

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