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Tallying the Mistakes and Malfunctions of Robot Surgeons
An anonymous reader writes: El Reg reports on a new study (PDF) that looked into malfunction and injury reports for medical procedures that used robot surgeons. From 2007 to 2013, 1.74 million such procedures were carried out, 86% of which were related to urology and gynecology. Of those, the study looked at reports of "adverse events," which were sent to the FDA. In that time period, there were 144 deaths, 1,391 patient injuries, and 8,061 device malfunctions. The malfunctions included "falling of burnt/broken pieces of instruments into the patient (14.7%), electrical arcing of instruments (10.5%), unintended operation of instruments (8.6%), system errors (5%), and video/imaging problems (2.6%)."
The more complicated surgeries involving vital organs were naturally the most dangerous. Head and neck surgeries accounted for 19.7% of all adverse results, and cardiothoracic procedures accounted for 6.4%. The much more common urology and gynecology procedures had adverse event rates of 1.4% and 1.9%. The researchers are quick to note that despite the high number of malfunctions, a vastly higher number of robotic procedures went off without a hitch. They say increased adoption of these techniques will go a long way toward resolving bugs and device failures.
The more complicated surgeries involving vital organs were naturally the most dangerous. Head and neck surgeries accounted for 19.7% of all adverse results, and cardiothoracic procedures accounted for 6.4%. The much more common urology and gynecology procedures had adverse event rates of 1.4% and 1.9%. The researchers are quick to note that despite the high number of malfunctions, a vastly higher number of robotic procedures went off without a hitch. They say increased adoption of these techniques will go a long way toward resolving bugs and device failures.
They're remote manipulator arms, not "robot surgeons".
In this case, we obviously need to know the error rate for normal surgeries.
It might be that the 'high' rate for robot surgery is in fact low when compared to non-robot surgery.
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With traditional surgery methods?
Well, except it was the future. YOUR FUTURE!
That is what is important today. What were the races and penis carrying capacity of the robots involved in said operations. How about the individuals being operated on. Was there a noticeably higher accident rate when old baldling white male robots were operating on mixed race transgender African Americans. Did the study take into account the socioeconomic factors involved. Surely a poor disenfranchised Latino Robot can be compared one for one with the old white balding male robots. Maybe they should hold back their results until they establish these scientific facts.
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What you can compare is outcomes, how often the patient recovers without complications. Robotic surgery is a clear winner there
You can only make that claim if you are comparing similar patient populations or can control for the differences. If robotic surgery is used on an patient population with less difficult conditions then it wouldn't be at all surprising if the outcomes were better. If the patient populations aren't statistically similar then any comparison which doesn't account for that difference is meaningless.
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so, in summation, falling parts and burnt pieces are all part of the plan. These in time will integrate perfectly until there comes a time when you are no more distinguishable from the machines we use to control government and weather.
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In my work (non-life and limb threatening), I would reject something with a sub-99% success rate. That would amount to multiple errors per day for me.
"falling of burnt/broken pieces of instruments into the patient (14.7%), electrical arcing of instruments (10.5%), unintended operation of instruments (8.6%)"
I know this sounds juvenile, but if it's related to urology/gynecology I'm pretty sure that us Slashdot folk would like to see a zero percent failure rate. Dr. after 'falling of burnt pieces into patient" failure: "We've reamed your prostate for you and all of the cancerous mass has been removed. Your continence will return in a few months, but don't worry - there are discreet diaper services... Oh yeah, uh, sorry about that gear-shaped burn scar in your ass. At least no one can see it, right? Am I right?"
ZERO
PERCENT
Please...
"They say increased adoption of these techniques will go a long way toward resolving bugs and device failures."
Translation: Buy more of our shit and we promise to fix it later.
Translation: Buy more of our shit.
Really, no amount of progress was ever made by kicking the problem down the road. We'll kick it as far as possible while we go off and play with another new/shinier ball. Version 2 will have twice the complexity and four times the bugs of version 1. Yada yada. The only promise being made here is your robot will be obsolete next year - be sure to toss it out along with your cellphone.
As far as I can see we're still pushing Windows patches 30 years later. How's the retroactive fixing coming along?
They say increased adoption of these techniques will go a long way toward resolving bugs and device failures
is not the same as
Adoption of advanced techniques in design and operation of robotic surgical systems may reduce these preventable incidents in the future
One is "create more demand and we'll hire more testers to improve the quality of our product "and the other is "better designs will improve the quality".
The most dangerous kind of robot surgery is cardiothoracic and head and neck surgeries (6.4 per cent and 19.7 per cent of adverse results respectively), compared to 1.4 per cent and 1.9 per cent for gynecology and urology operations.
It's meaningless to compare the percentages of failed cardiothoracic, etc. procedures wrt total number of failed procedures. What is the ratio of failed cardiothoracic procedures to number of cardiothoracic procedures?
electrical arcing of instruments
electrical arcing of instruments?
electrical ARCING of instruments?
No thanks, I'll take chances with Roberto. He may be crazy, but he just wants to stab you, not stab and electrocute you.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Curious to know if a patient knew which OS whether or not they would choose to have a Robotic assisted surgery or not. Would patients feel the same if it was Linux or MacOS or something else mainstream. Just one of those curious thoughts ......
Oh bugger, blue screen!!!