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Giving Doctors Grades Has Backfired

HughPickens.com writes: Beginning in the early 1990s a quality-improvement program began in New York State and has since spread to many other states where report cards were issued to improve cardiac surgery by tracking surgical outcomes, sharing the results with hospitals and the public, and when necessary, placing surgeons or surgical programs on probation. But Sandeep Jauhar writes in the NYT that the report cards have backfired. "They often penalized surgeons, like the senior surgeon at my hospital, who were aggressive about treating very sick patients and thus incurred higher mortality rates," says Jauhar. "When the statistics were publicized, some talented surgeons with higher-than-expected mortality statistics lost their operating privileges, while others, whose risk aversion had earned them lower-than-predicted rates, used the report cards to promote their services in advertisements."

Surveys of cardiac surgeons in The New England Journal of Medicine have confirmed that reports like the Consumer Guide to Coronary Artery Bypass Graft Surgery have limited credibility among cardiovascular specialists, little influence on referral recommendations and may introduce a barrier to care for severely ill patients. According to Jauhar, there is little evidence that the public — as opposed to state agencies and hospitals — pays much attention to surgical report cards anyway. A recent survey found that only 6 percent of patients used such information in making medical decisions. "Surgical report cards are a classic example of how a well-meaning program in medicine can have unintended consequences," concludes Jauhar. "It would appear that doctors, not patients, are the ones focused on doctors' grades — and their focus is distorted and blurry at best."

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  1. Seriously... by Last_Available_Usern · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How could no one have foreseen the potential abuse and pitfalls of a system like this? Without even reading any further than "Giving Doctors Grades..." I immediately conjured images of a bunch of doctors huddled around each other saying, "I don't want that one." "Well I don't want that one either. My feedback is back at 85% and I can't risk another death screwing me over."

    1. Re:Seriously... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You attribute far too much planning and foresight to the people who implemented it.

      Pretty much every metric I've seen like this leads to people trying to maximize their score instead of doing the things being measured in the score.

      Think standardized testing, where suddenly teachers are only teaching what you need to pass the standardized test.

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    2. Re:Seriously... by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Simplistic solutions are attractive to bean counters, politicians, and even voters. All three groups are frequently unoccupied by unsophisticated people who may have certain degrees of tactical intelligence, but tend not be able to think through a given proposal, but rather look for things that are somehow emotionally or ideologically pleasing.

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    3. Re:Seriously... by Ichijo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Could you provide an example of something that teachers should teach but that cannot be tested?

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    4. Re:Seriously... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      How could no one have foreseen the potential abuse and pitfalls of a system like this? Without even reading any further than "Giving Doctors Grades..." I immediately conjured images of a bunch of doctors huddled around each other saying, "I don't want that one." "Well I don't want that one either. My feedback is back at 85% and I can't risk another death screwing me over."

      Given the enthusiasm for what is more or less exactly the same plan applied to teachers, it's hard to be too surprised that somebody would think that this is a good idea; though it doesn't shed any light on why they would have ignored the obvious pitfalls.

      I can only assume that it's yet another instance of the "We want to measure stuff; but what we really want to measure is hard, so we'll settle for something that is easy to measure but not actually helpful" problem that bedevils quantification efforts of all kinds.

    5. Re:Seriously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Any test for critical thinking, creativity, or learning skills. You know, the things that matter the most and are taught the least, because they can't be test, aren't tested, and it's the test results that matter. So here some rote material you need to get a good score on the test we *can* write.

    6. Re:Seriously... by Sowelu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The argument isn't against testing, it's against standardized testing, and over-reliance on testing. If the standardized tests for history are based on a specific curriculum, that means everyone has to teach the same parts of history, with the same emphasis (which is a great way to indoctrinate people). It also means you can't focus on assignments and on general knowledge; a kid who has a broad understanding of world history and why things happened, but who doesn't have dates memorized, could get high grades in essay assignments but tank on standardized tests. Someone who's objectively better educated can still be rated very low by tests administered by someone who doesn't know their curriculum.

    7. Re:Seriously... by firewrought · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The argument isn't against testing, it's against standardized testing, and over-reliance on testing.

      I like the term high-stakes testing, because issuing a standardized test once a year is a fine to gain visibility into trends and patterns (and maybe figure out where extra help is needed), but once you start tying compensation and school budgets directly to the score, it's over. People are going to game the system.

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    8. Re:Seriously... by Ichijo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      critical thinking

      Why can't the student's knowledge of logical fallacies be tested?

      creativity

      Some say creativity can in fact be tested.

      or learning skills.

      Learning skills such as critical thinking and creativity? (See above.)

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    9. Re:Seriously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Metrics are amazingly important. However what is being measured and why are vital components of any metric and determine if the metric is useful or not. The problem with standardized testing in schools is that the purpose of the metric is ill conceived. We are testing the students to determine the quality of the teachers. Since the tests are not normalized to include the quality of the students the metrics are meaningless. Likewise unless the metric for doctors takes into account the survival risks of the patients the metrics are meaningless.
      Anyone who understands how metrics work knows that. So in a real sense none of these consequences are unforeseeable, even if they are unintended from the point of view of the clueless incompetent bureaucrats who created the system.

    10. Re:Seriously... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thinking outside the box ?

      That can be taught and tested. I have a meter long shelf with books full of puzzles that require "out of the box thinking" rather than conventional approaches, written by Martin Gardner, and other puzzle masters. I use problems from these books when I volunteer for after school enrichment programs. The kids love them, and they definitely get better at them with practice. The creative thinking exercises help them quickly come up with solutions in robotics and programming competitions.

    11. Re:Seriously... by bondsbw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not always that they cannot be tested, just that they are not tested.

      One reason is because using a Scantron to grade multiple choice answers costs much less than paying graders to read free-form answers.

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    12. Re:Seriously... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The argument isn't against testing, it's against standardized testing

      If the tests are not standardized, then there is no way to compare results, which makes them meaningless for improving the schools through accountability.

      If the standardized tests for history are based on a specific curriculum ...

      They are not. So that is a phoney objection. However, the standardized test for reading and math ARE based on specific knowledge, like being about to add, subtract, multiply, and recognize and know the meaning of specific words. Do you also object to that as "indoctrination"?

    13. Re:Seriously... by alannon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem, as I understand it, in standardized (CORE) testing in mathematics is not that ALL the students are made to learn how to add, subtract and multiply, but that the test makes extremely specific assumptions about PRECISELY what method that the student was taught in order to make use of those operations. For example, I believe it is common for the standardized tests to assume that students do all of their basic arithmetic by using number-lines in a very specific way. If, instead, the student was taught to do arithmetic using any of the MANY, MANY other methods out there instead of the number-line method (which I personally think is slow and stupid) they will flunk because they must show every step of the problem on a number-line, regardless of the resulting answer the student supplies.
      I can't imagine a more soul-sucking task for a teacher then to have to re-teach their students how to do their math problems in an objectively WORSE manner than the one that the teacher had been, JUST so that the class doesn't fail their standardized tests and the teacher/school isn't penalized. This is exactly how you discourage passionate individuals from becoming teachers.

    14. Re:Seriously... by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why can't the student's knowledge of logical fallacies be tested?

      Because knowledge of rhetoical games is not a good measure of thinking. It'd be like a test of the rules of football and claiming it measures the ability to play the game.

  2. Re:Just like Teacher "Grades" by shankarunni · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's actually much worse. Teachers who toil away in schools where the students get little or no parental or peer support for learning, get hurt very badly by these grades, because regardless of how hard they work on the students, they do less well on standardized tests (and improve less) than students who grow up in suburban environments that encourage learning.

    So it becomes a terribly dis-incentive for the best teachers to go to the schools that need them the most - they'll grab all the plum assignments in the nice, rich, suburban schools, while fresh teachers get sent to the inner-city schools (perpetuating this situation).

  3. its a scale of morality, not function. by nimbius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    competence isnt being measured here. the altruistic goals, "live" or "dead" instead are supplanting good science to determine which doctors are and are not performing well. Death is not objectively bad in cases where it is an unavoidable consequence of environment or genetics. Quality of care and quality of life, the two metrics doctors have always used, is a far better judge of performance. If a 78 year old chronic smoker dies from emphysema then it is of little use to chastise a surgical team or doctor for the death.

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  4. Still A Good Idea by maz2331 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's still a good idea, but the metrics need to be better thought-out to account for the patients that are being seen. A proper system will also "grade" each patient based on how bad their condition is, and then combine the mortality rates to come up with a metric that reflects how well the doctor is doing at improving outcomes where it is possible to do so.

  5. Re:High Risk + Low Success = High Cost by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think there's a ton of money being dumped into the walking dead.

    When my mom was at stage 4 of metastasized breast cancer, we had a family meeting with the oncologist to discuss my mom's situation. When asked what -- if any -- chances she had for life extension (not a cure, but more than 12 months) he was totally equivocal about it and was basically looking to start another round of chemotherapy. I felt like he was just looking for another round of payments before she died. They give you the thinnest hope to try to get you to keep using their services.

    I've heard similar stories before from other people with older relatives, very sick and unlikely to every recover in any meaningful sense of the word yet the doctors insist on expensive and invasive treatments. The only explanation I can think of is that it's good business for them.

  6. Re:Just like Teacher "Grades" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe some of the administrators whose job it actually is to evaluate their teachers should have their feet held to the fire. The city I live in, every principal in every school must spend two hours a year in each teacher's classroom evaluating their teaching methods and performance.

    Two. Hours. A year.

    Since they won't do their jobs, they're falling back on ridiculous metrics to do it for them. They get paid 2-3x as much as the teachers they're supposed to be evaluating too. Seems that all of these new programs are meant to support the administrative jobs much more than the learning the students receives.