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Studies Find Genetic Signature of Native Australians In the Americas
Applehu Akbar writes: Two new research papers claim to have found an Australo-Melanesian DNA signal in the genetic makeup of Native Americans, dating to about the time of the last glacial maximum. This may move the speculation around the Clovis people and Kennewick man to an entirely new level. Let's hope that it at least shakes loose some more funding for North American archaeology. Ars reports: "The exact process by which humanity introduced itself to the Americas has always been controversial. While there's general agreement on the most important migration—across the Bering land bridge at the end of the last ice age—there's a lot of arguing over the details. Now, two new papers clarify some of the bigger picture but also introduce a new wrinkle: there's DNA from the distant Pacific floating around in the genomes of Native Americans. And the two groups disagree about how it got there."
May I venture a guess that some intercourse was involved in the DNA getting there?
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...and needed some people to work there.
That's a low commwnt.
It must have been fairly common that fishermen/fisherwomen in small boats occasionally got lost or caught in a storm, and eventually ended up in the Americas. They could keep themselves alive for such a long journey by fishing and capturing rain, with a little luck.
Those who settled in Australia were probably relatively skilled at boating already, or else they wouldn't have ended up in Australia. Thus, it could be the same group & niche at work in both continents.
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Scientific progress thrives in a diverse climate of research projects. Also, direct utility is in genetic disposition to disease showing patterns in existing populations.
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That you're imagination is so limited should not reflect on science's need for basic research. Unless you have a crystal ball that accurately reports what basic research taking place now is going to blossom into value further down the road, all you have is a pretty goddamned mindless anti-intellectual rant.
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We know there were Polynesians on Easter Island which is closer to South America than it is to Australia. Maybe some of them made it to South America long ago.
The study actually shows that the Americas and Australia each have inhabitants with DNA in common ... because both places were wandered to from elsewhere in Asia. It's not Aussie DNA in the Americans, it's the same Asian DNA in Australia and the Americas.
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The post above yours was a much better response. A lot of research like this is funded by the National Science Foundation. Whenever you apply for NSF funding, you're required to explain the "broader impacts" of the research. That's what I asked about, because the broader impacts of this work is far less obvious than many other avenues of scientific research. The justification of understanding the distribution of genetic material and its relationship to the spread of disease is a good answer to the question. I hadn't thought of it when I made my post. I also understand that sometimes the benefits aren't immediately clear. I specifically mentioned the space program for this reason. However, any scientist should be able to explain the broader impacts of their research. It's a basic question that nobody should be angry about being asked.
they got to south america
it's just a matter of trusting your life to the winds
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More samples is good, but I question your statement that the sample size in question isn't large enough. The fact is that the DNA is present, it shows a link to a previously unknown Asian progenitor population, a population that also bequeathed their DNA to some south Asian populations and to indigenous Australians. Better sampling may identify other areas of the Americas where these genes ended up, which would help understand migration patterns not only from Asia to the Americas, but also within the Americas themselves.
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Why eat rich food when you can eat bland one?
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Because archaeology is not a high-cost science, we could do a lot of basic research for not much money. It just takes a focusing of interest, raised by questions like this one. My local area (rural northern Arizona) contains several hundred ruin sites, both cliff dwellings and pit houses, representing a rich culture that in approximately 1200 simply vanished. No one really knows why. It established relations sufficiently distant that red macaw feathers have been found among their trade goods. We need to do more digging.
Also, direct utility is in genetic disposition to disease showing patterns in existing populations.
Yes, but massive understatement.
It's now possible to get your entire genome sequenced for only $1,000 - by sending (e.g. FedEx) a small tube of saliva to a sequencing facility (e.g. Macrogen in Korea). In another few years, millions of people are going to have had their genomes sequenced. And people are going to be using their genome sequences to understand everything from rare genetic disorders (i.e. inherited birth defects) to the most effective treatment for their cancer.
In most cases, you're going to want to compare your own genome to a reference genome. And this comparison will be more informative if you can choose a reference that matches your whatever ancestral population(s) you are descended from.
And you're also going to want to know about pathogenic variants that may cause disease for you or your descendants. So, let's say your have an A at position 12,143,021 on chromosome 15 where most people have a T. In fact, let's say that 10 million genomes have been sequenced at that point and only 100 people share that variant. Well, maybe all those people are a little bit sick with the same symptoms that you have. But suppose you know more about the populations. Suppose you know that all those 100 people are members of a larger population of 10 million people - and that this variant is likely to occur in most of the 10 million people in that population. In that case, you can be pretty sure that the variant is benign - that it's not the cause of your symptoms.
Clinical genome sequencing is going to be one of the biggest revolutions in the history of medicine - right up there with aseptic surgery and antibiotics. And understanding how human genetic variation is distributed across populations is going to be key to interpreting these genomes.
they got to south america
it's just a matter of trusting your life to the winds
Are you sure you have that the correct way around? Kon Tiki - From South America to the Pacific Islands.
Noted that journeys were made from the Pacific Islands to other countries. New Zealand is a case in point.
the pacific has a north and a south cyclone of prevailing wind (and also an oceanic gyre if you're just floating with no wind). it's just a matter of what latitude you use for the prevailing direction
thor's journey is awesome, and we do find native american dna at easter island, but the vast majority of the south pacific is austromelanesian. easter island's people came from the west, not from the east
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Someone had to show you guys how to surf ocean waves
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
The article says there's scholarly agreement about the most important migration being across the Bering land bridge, which is completely bogus if we're talking about the current century: see Wikipedia for a briefing on the contemporary debate. Fuckin' amateurs.
So those frisky Australo-Melanesians weren't "just browsing" their Ashley Madison accounts after all! Caught!
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Clinical genome sequencing is going to be one of the biggest revolutions in the history of medicine - right up there with aseptic surgery and antibiotics.
Even though I sort of knew this, it wasn't until you wrote it down that it hit me. As much as it sounds like a bad time travel movie script, I think our ancestors will look back on this as a golden age. Man on the moon, the PC/Internet, Genome/DNA, AI etc. Epoch defining firsts for technology that will be remembered for Millenia
the pacific has a north and a south cyclone of prevailing wind (and also an oceanic gyre if you're just floating with no wind). it's just a matter of what latitude you use for the prevailing direction
thor's journey is awesome, and we do find native american dna at easter island,
Agreed (to all points).
but the vast majority of the south pacific is austromelanesian.
Also agreed.
easter island's people came from the west, not from the east
Do you have a source for that please? I "suspect" they came from the North, or the East (not the West).
Science boo!
Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
when i said the west, i meant, literally from the west of easter island, which would be what we call the eastern part of the world
sorry if that was misleading
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
+ affordable oil and a non-screwep up climate.
Golden age indeed.
They rode on ribs?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
when i said the west, i meant, literally from the west of easter island, which would be what we call the eastern part of the world
sorry if that was misleading
No worries.
No he isn't.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
If we can proof with archaeological studies that we are nothing more than the descendants of one and the same tribe that was lucky to survive in a post-apocalyptic world, we might offer a (scientific) alternative to the tales written by star worshipers a couple of millenniums ago that claim that one tribe is chosen above the other by some imaginary super natural being. It's partly because of digging in history through archeology that western society managed to become enlightened.
Of course the religions you rail against believe that all humans descended from one couple, and yet still believe that "one tribe is chosen above the other", so your chances of convincing anyone are well below negative infinity.
In other words, that you could even spout such nonsense shows that you don't have the brains God gave the religious fanatic.
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Ribs? The Bible was right!!!
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Did you invent the handgun? Did you invent gunpowder? Did you invent fire? No, no and no, yet you benefit from the chain of invention that led from the last to the first, irrespective of your personal level of intelligence. Technology is not genetic. Aboriginal Australians were isolated from the development of technology elsewhere having migrated before even the invention of counting. Just as fertile ground produces no food until a seed is planted, so does an intelligent mind need external input.
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