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Police Shut Down Anti-Violence Fundraiser Over Rapper's Hologram

An anonymous reader writes: A Chicago rapper by the name of Chief Keef has been making headlines recently after the city launched a campaign to deny his performance at an anti-violence event. The event was organized to raise funds for victims of recent Chicago murders in which another rapper was slain. Keef is currently wanted on warrants in the region but is living on the East Coast. He was expected to perform via a live stream projection. While Chicago officials worked to deny his performance from occurring in the city, promoters vowed that he would still perform.

A recent concert called Craze Fest was just held at the Wolf Lake Pavilion in Hammond, Indiana. The Pavilion is part of a public park. The city of Hammond refused to let promoters hold the event unless they agreed that Chief Keef would not be allowed to perform. Instead, the promoters setup a live stream projection of the rapper and showed it at the end of the concert. Once the Hologram of Keef began performing, police rushed in and began shutting down the event. This raises some interesting questions about free speech and the role of technology in it. Here's a local news article, and some brief cellphone footage of the event.

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  1. Raising questions about freedom of speech? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This doesn't raise any questions about freedom of speech. This demonstrates that freedom of speech doesn't exist.

    1. Re:Raising questions about freedom of speech? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution that restricts freedom of speech or the right to assemble only to those individuals of upstanding character, or denies these rights to individuals exhibiting some moral turpitude.

    2. Re:Raising questions about freedom of speech? by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are correct.

      There is also nothing in the constitution that says any entity must allow you to use their property at the exclusion of others in order to express your speech. That's what this is. They want to have a concert on public grounds that will in essence restrict other from freely using the same said grounds and the city said no if a wanted criminal and fugitive from law would be a party of it.

    3. Re:Raising questions about freedom of speech? by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1, Insightful

      He was free to spout off in whatever location he found himself. The Constitution doesn't promise to provide a platform, which is what the organizers requested when they applied for a permit.

    4. Re:Raising questions about freedom of speech? by physicsphairy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is also nothing in the constitution that says any entity must allow you to use their property at the exclusion of others in order to express your speech.

      Correct. Only a government entity (such as the city) must allow you equal access to their public resources (such as this park) without using forceful intervention (such as sending in police) to suppress it.

      the city said no if a wanted criminal and fugitive from law would be a party of it.

      Free speech is about the speech, not the person speaking. Otherwise we should not have any problem, e.g., banning Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. After all, Marx is dead -- and was never a citizen -- so surely his right to free speech would not be infringed by the ban.

  2. Under what authority? by jodido · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps someone who knows some law could explain under what authority the mayor or the cops can shut down a concert because they don't like one of the performers? Is this going to be the new normal? They'll shut down the next one because it "promotes terrorism"?

    1. Re:Under what authority? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Honestly, these days the law seems to be "whatever the fuck the police say it is until a court tells them otherwise".

      They don't care what is legal. They don't care what is Constitutional. They seem to believe they have limitless magical powers unconstrained by reality.

      My only conclusion it is time to stop treating the cops as the ones who know and enforce the law. The cops enforce the law selectively, incorrectly, or in ways they know to be blatantly false.

      From demanding you stop recording them or delete images, to charging you with resisting arrest when you weren't being arrested in the first place ... the police seem to neither know nor care what the fucking law says.

      Which means all of them need to be wearing body cameras at all times, and much more aggressively charged when they break the law. Enough with this the police are above the law and can make it up as they go.

      Start putting more of them in prison with the rest of the crooks, and maybe we'll see change.

      But the last decade or so has pretty much demonstrated they simply do not adhere to the law. Either by committing perjury with "parallel construction" , or by hiding unconstitutional wiretaps with devices they won't admit to using ... the trend has been for police to stop giving a damn about the law.

      Which means it's time we stopped giving them the benefit of the doubt of being honest players. Increasingly, they're anything but.

      And since it's impossible to separate the good from the bad, and they won't do it themselves, it's time to treat them as if they all have a higher burden of proof for their actions.

      None of this "because we said so shit", because that usually gets proven false when the video comes out.

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    2. Re:Under what authority? by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Their permit said that they would not have this wanted fugitive perform. They violated the terms of their permit, so were shut down. This is pretty straightforward and they had to know this would happen - they probably wanted the publicity.

      Would the police also have shut them down if they started playing clips of Roman Polanski (wanted in the US for raping a 13 year old girl) movies?

      Sure, they can ban him from appearing. But "straightfoward", for effectively playing a movie by someone with an opinion they don't want heard? Yeah, I would call that straightforward - A straightforward violation of the first amendment.

    3. Re:Under what authority? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes. They could arrest him immediately on the warrants, which is separate. But as he did not physically appear, it amounts to needing pre-clearance from government, on content, to speak in a public forum, which a park is.

      And that is an easy win for the First Amendment. They should get nailed in a lawsuit.

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    4. Re:Under what authority? by operagost · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Funny, then, that citizens are supposed to know and understand every nuance of the law, lest they have their rights to liberty and property suspended.

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    5. Re: Under what authority? by Lehk228 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's totally different, Polanski is white

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  3. Unregulated speech, must stop at all costs! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Had he physically appeared, they could have arrested him as the warrants are independent of free speech. But you don't get to censor speech, even by people with warrants. Parks count as public fora with respect to speech.

    And as for "they agreed he would not perform" giving them leverage, that may work over the warrant issue, but as he did not physically appear, it amounts to needing to get pre-clearance from government on what you are going to speak about in a public forum, which is a no no. Good luck with that at the lawsuit trial.

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  4. Free speech does not exist. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In a world where we have "free speech zones" miles from events, and jack booted thugs called police that are too much of pussies to deal with crime instead of being assholes you dont get free speech.

    Unless you are rich enough to cause the police problems. Then you can have some.

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  5. Ironic by tompaulco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How ironic. You invite a known instigator of violence to an anti-violence concert.

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    1. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You invite a known instigator of violence...

      You must be referring to the police, considering the number of unarmed men they kill each year.

    2. Re:Ironic by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The government was not asked to give him a microphone. The promoters did that. Meanwhile, he was never at the park.

      The KKK and Neo Nazis march all the time with permits in hand because the government DOES have to let them. They are often jeered by bystanders when they do.

      I presume your sig is meant ironically?

  6. Re:The justification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, it is prior restraint on a known fugitive. If he wants to violate and then evade the law, as far as I'm concerned he's just another version of an illegal - doesn't have the brass to turn himself in and face the consequences of being a citizen of this country. If he can't do that, then he doesn't deserve freedom of speech, either. There's nothing in the Constitution that provides for freedom to ignore the law without consequences. You know why he's evading the law? He got a DUI over a year ago. He pleaded guilty but has repeatedly failed to show up to court for his hearing. Now he's made himself a fugitive. He can have free speech after his day in court.

  7. Re:The justification by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It amazes me how many rappers are gang-bangers first, and "musicians" second.

    Your amazement is a sign of privilege.

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  8. Re:Since when is a video a "hologram"? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a Pepper's Ghost of (probably) a projection. Very much 2D.

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  9. Re:The justification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You don't lose your right to free speech - even when convicted and imprisoned. Nice try.

  10. Way To Do It Wrong Chicago by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Allow his hologram to appear at the event and give his little performance then garnish his wages from the venue. If he wants to complain he can drive his happy ass to Chicago, walk into any courthouse and fill out the required forms. That way you make the issue clear, it's not about free speech or censorship; it's about the suspension of his right to generate revenue in a city where he is a wanted criminal. That way the people get the concert they paid for, the venue keeps its reputation and none of their equipment gets smashed and the only person who loses is the degenerate that is constantly causing trouble for the city. But instead we have this crap where they drag everyone involved into the situation and create a ton of extra work for themselves. What the heck? It's like they're not lazy enough to run a city properly.

  11. Errrrrrrr by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As much as I dislike Chief Keef and his musical stylings *cough*, I have to side with him on this one. Should an arrest warrant also restrict a person's free speech, or justify police intervention? I have to think it should not, regardless of how I feel about the person.

    If we don't protect the speech we don't like, then it's not "free speech" as I understand it. The fact is that we must protect the kind of speech we personally detest if it's to mean anything at all.

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  12. Re:Yes they probably could... by bsolar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Felons don't lose *all* their rights: they might lose *some* rights but free speech is not among them. This is even true if you break a bail bond contract: you will waive certain constitutional rights as consequence, but free speech is not among them.