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DHI Group Inc. Announces Plans to Sell Slashdot Media

An anonymous reader writes: DHI Group Inc. (formerly known as Dice Holdings Inc.) announced plans to sell Slashdot Media (slashdot.org & sourceforge.net) in their Q2 financial report. This is being reported by multiple sources. Editor's note: Yep, looks like we're being sold again. We'll keep you folks updated, but for now I don't have any more information than is contained in the press release. Business as usual until we find a buyer (and hopefully after). The company prepared a statement for our blog as well — feel free to discuss the news here, there, or in both places.

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  1. Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Apharmd · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stay tuned!

    1. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bennett Haselton could always buy it.

    2. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 3, Funny

      The cure is worse than the disease!

    3. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Nimloth · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hear Donald Trump is interested as well.

    4. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by JazzLad · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Can we buy it with funding via kickstarter? How much do we need to raise?

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    5. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Donkey_Hotey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure it could. HuffPoo, anybody?

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    6. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bill Gates.

      Replaces the front page of /. with a picture of him naked, rolling in money, pointing at you and laughing.

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    7. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Watch Fox News buy it and bring back myspace."

      Worse, Slate could buy it, trying out a succession of new commenting systems that don't work properly. At the end the first year, we'll be wishing we had Beta back.

    8. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by will_die · · Score: 5, Funny

      Adobe wants to purchase it and make it the showpiece for flash.

    9. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Stay tuned!

      Yay! It will either get better, or finally die.

      Honestly, I'd rather see it die than muddle along like this. And, it could be great again!

      I see it as win-win. I'll either come here more, like I used to, or less, like I should already.

    10. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That was the `80s Bill. I think he has actual hobbies now, like fighting malaria and ruining education.

    11. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by omnichad · · Score: 3, Funny

      Flashdot?

    12. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Yay! It will either get better, or finally die.

      That is NOT the only option. It could get worse AND stick around for a very long time.

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    13. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Funny

      If Bill Gates purchased Slashdot, wouldn't the logo be the classic "Gates as Borg" with the caption "You have been assimilated"?

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  2. Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Kunedog · · Score: 3, Insightful
    For me, the three* agendas of this /. regime that best demonstrate how out-of-touch it's been with the users (if not outright saying "fuck you" to them) are:

    1. ramrodding of Beta down everyone's throats
    2. shameful attempt to ignore Gamergate (still not a single article on /. covering the journalism scandal, when there should have been at least one for each of a dozen or so events/milestones), and later (after the cover-up and news blackout didn't work) joining the campaign to intimidate and libel those who spoke out against the corruption
    3. constant stories about women being less represented in STEM vs. the general population, with analysis of the cause always limited to accusations of sexism (and devoid of analysis of innate female preferences, or corporate agendas designed to inflate the workforce)
    * Honorable mention for Bennett Haselton

    The Company, however, has not successfully leveraged the Slashdot user base to further Dice's digital recruitment business

    I, for one, am damn proud you were also unable to "leverage" the user base against Gamergate in order to protect corrupt journalists and fall in line with rest of the colluding outlets who tried to cover up the scandal and smear the dissenters (fuck knows why you thought it was a good idea to try). Countless other forums outright banned pro-GG discussion, and Slashdot's long history of user moderation and fierce opposition to censorship must have been a much-needed thorn in your side.

    1. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fuck your gamergate. Nobody even knows what it's about except for a bunch of people trying to make it more mainstream than it is. It's not important. It doesn't affect actual (pro e-sport or casual) gamers. It's nothing, and it's NOT worthy of news.

    2. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pretty much. The quality of articles seems to have gone down significantly, with a very strong bias towards pushing "synergy" with the rest of Dice. They weren't even subtle about it, either. Add to that the whole clusterfuck debacle with them trying to push Beta...

    3. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by LaurenCates · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As someone who ends up on the side of the pro-GG side of the argument more often than not, I can't imagine that Gamergate is all that important to anyone that far removed from either the people directly affected or anyone willing to jump in and be a part of it.

      In fact, the reason I ended up doing any research on the matter at all is because another site I frequent tends to use terms like "Gamergater" as a derogatory term without any context as a reminder that we're supposed to think of that guy as bad (much the same way that "MRA" is used and misused) and thus disregard any opinions that the accused has for fear of catching the plague.

      So I researched it. I had to do more work than I wanted to, really, particularly in proportion to how big it is. And it's not big. It's a teeny-tiny little world that to escape, all I have to do is browse away from any site talking about it and it's gone from my sight.

      Point being, I'm actually quite glad that Slashdot didn't add Gamergate to the stinking, festering pile of identity politics it already took upon itself to be responsible for.

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    4. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1. The complaints about beta I felt were misplaced. They shouldn't have made the beta default for anyone (and perhaps they should have refined it just a little more first...) but I think Slashdotters seriously overreacted to what was an easy to opt-out of test of a new UI. (And frankly, with D1 broken - thanks Pudge - and D2 horrible, I was looking forward to someone doing something about the /. UI.)

      2. I'm pretty sure that if they'd covered GamerGate in depth, you'd - based upon what you've written here - been so unhappy you'd never have come back.

      3. I go the other way - there was a failure to ensure discussions wouldn't be derailed by trolls and anti-diversity fanatics, especially in the aftermath of a somewhat extreme anti-diversity campaign in one corner of tech. Slashdot's articles were of interest to some of us, unfortunately the massive wave of abusive moderation and anti-diversity crapflooders meant we couldn't have an adult discussion about the issues.

      Where we agree however is that, much as I'm reluctant to attack anyone by name, the types of articles that were posted by Haselton were never right for Slashdot.

      Haselton wasn't even the first time they did this. Real Slashdotters remember a guy called Jon Katz who Malda brought in largely to introduce original commentary - just like Haselton. It was a disaster. Slashdotters became increasingly annoyed by the posts, just as with Haselton.

      Why did Slashdot do it again? No idea. I'm guessing they thought it might be worth a try again, perhaps thinking it was Katz, not this kind of commentary, people disliked.

      As an aside, when I used to blog more actively, people (nobody working for Slashdot I might add) asked me if I should offer to write similar pieces for Slashdot et al. Leaving aside my appalling writing skills, this is why...

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    5. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nobody even knows what it's about except for a bunch of people trying to make it more mainstream than it

      Like the fucking mainstream press? If the mainstream press wouldn't continue to keep gamedropping and featuring the con artists involved, gamergate would have disappeared last year. But it continues to draw the clicks, so it keeps showing up in just about every story having to do with video games. Which is just fine, because the longer it goes on, the more people are red pilled and SJW's and their press lackeys continue to lose their grip on The Narrative, kek.

    6. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1. The complaints about beta I felt were misplaced. They shouldn't have made the beta default for anyone (and perhaps they should have refined it just a little more first...) but I think Slashdotters seriously overreacted to what was an easy to opt-out of test of a new UI. (And frankly, with D1 broken - thanks Pudge - and D2 horrible, I was looking forward to someone doing something about the /. UI.)

      I agree with you on #2 and #3 but disagree on the issue of Slashdot Beta. Slashdot beta was part of an industrywide UX antipattern. It goes something like this.

      1) You have a functional site or application and a large userbase.
      2) You hire some UXtards whose job it is to change things for change's sake.
      3) The UXtards implement changes like those involved in Digg v3. GNOME 3. Firefox 4-without-the-status bar through Australis inclusive. Windows 8. Google Maps. And, of course, Slashdot beta.
      4) The users revolt.
      5) The devs' jobs depend on constantly learning new frameworks/tech and polishing up their resumes for their next job. The UXtard's job depends on implementing "the vision." The UX manager's career relies on not having the UX redesign project fail. The CEO's career depends on monetization, and he/she is told by the CTO and VPs of engineering that the UX redesign is part and parcel of this. Everywhere along the chain of command, somebody's personal career goals are in direct conflict with the overwhelming negative user feedback.
      6) Everyone in the chain of command issues patronizing puff pieces and blog posts with verbiage like "we're making it better for you!" which are intended to placate the userbase, but which only anger it more, because the users aren't that stupid.
      7) The user feedback is ignored, pageviews/clicks/marketshare, and revenue, plummets.
      8) Nobody gets fired, because everybody was just doing their jobs / covering their asses. Devs implemented the UX team's spec and got to play with cool tech. UX team got buy-in from marketing. Marketing had orders from C-suite. C-suite wanted to monetize. Everybody gets their paycheck, even if all they accomplished was ruining the underlying asset.

      It has happened over and over and over again, and seems to be the hallmark of this decade in tech: take a working project, rip out everything useful in order to make it "cleaner" or "simpler," ignore overwhelming feedback until long after the damage to the asset or brand is permanent, pretend nothing was ever wrong in the first place, liquidate.

    7. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by fightinfilipino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      that's because Gamergate wasn't about ethics in game journalism, hilarious memes be damned. it was PRECISELY about white men continuing to be gatekeepers against gaming opening up to other people, including women. in sum, get your paranoid persecution complex out of here.

    8. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Jodka · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The reason for this decision is that the Slashdot Media business no longer aligns with the broader DHI strategy, which has been refined to focus on providing digital recruitment tools and services to connect employers and recruiters with talent in multiple professional communities.

      What that means in plain English is that DHI thought they could use this place as a jobs board until they noticed that companies want to hire productive employees who do actual work instead of wasting time on Slashdot.

         

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    9. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Coren22 · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.wired.com/2014/11/a...

      Bad ethics in game journalism hurts the gamers. This isn't the only example, just a big one that happened recently. Ethical outlets would have released poor reviews that belonged being released in order for the games to get fixed, or allow people to not preorder a game that barely runs on high end hardware.

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    10. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Holi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a reason no one defended the idiot gamergate punks. You guys made sure you were indefensible. When no one called out the threats and the doxing you proved you had no moral leg to stand on. Not to mention that most of your allegations were proved false. It was your own actions that drowned out your words.

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    11. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have to agree. Not giving more than occasion coverage to game gate was about the most journalisticly responsible thing Slashdot could have done.

      GG is and never was anything more than a bunch of self righteous and self important bloggers on both sides spewing lies and distortions. There is so much bad information that really can't be fact checked out there it isn't possible its not possible to write an intelligent article on the subject let alone have a discussion about.

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    12. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by ninjagin · · Score: 3, Informative

      I work in tech, only for about 25 years, though, and I see (and have seen) women being treated badly all the time. They have a much harder time getting their ideas into play, their opinions heard & listened to, and their work and credibility accepted. It's very hard to push back against it, too, without risk. I could go on, but you don't seem to be open to other points of view on the subject.

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    13. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, it was totally suppressed.

      I think the worst suppression was when submissions like SourceForge and GIMP [Updated], nmap Maintainer Warns He Doesn't Control nmap SourceForge Mirror, SourceForge Responds To nmap Maintainer's Claims, and SourceForge Suspends Independent Project Mirroring ended up on the front page.

    14. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are problems with ethics in game journalism, but that's not what GamerGate is about. Don't forget that the original claim was that a developer slept with a journalist in exchange for positive coverage of her game, which turned out to be completely and demonstrably untrue. Even now, if you head over to Reddit or 8chan, that lie is still being pushed. If GamerGate really cared about ethics the first thing it would do is put its own house in order and apologise.

      GamerGate uses the ethics angle as an excuse to harass. When confronted the harassers can point to the people posting about ethics as a way to deflect criticism and disown their actions. If you really care about ethics in journalism, you need to either find a new hashtag or make a real effort to clean up GamerGate. Get over to Reddit and heavily down-mod all those misogynist posts on the GG boards, for example. That isn't happening right now, completely discrediting the ethics angle.

      In short, if you want to complain about ethics, you need to have them yourself first.

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  3. My $.02 by Zibodiz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would love to see Slashdot purchased by an open-source-minded non-profit. That's the core audience, why not let the lunatics run the asylum?

    1. Re:My $.02 by Soulskill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That would be awesome.

    2. Re:My $.02 by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's the price? The community could conceivably use some crowd-funding platform and everyone could pitch in $5 if they wanted to. I would imagine that ads could cover most of the hosting and bandwidth expenses and the community can just take turns filling the editor role such that the ongoing costs should be minimal. Anything extra could always go towards supporting open source development efforts.

    3. Re:My $.02 by jandrese · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seems like it would be cheaper to just stand up your own Slashcode server and call it NextDot or something. I'd rather spend the money on hosting than give it to Dice.

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    4. Re:My $.02 by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, maybe float the idea to the powers that be. I remember the Free Blender movement on /. being one of the first successful crowdsourcing efforts and thought a similar strategy would get as much (or better!) support here.

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    5. Re:My $.02 by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Seems like it would be cheaper to just stand up your own Slashcode server and call it NextDot or something. I'd rather spend the money on hosting than give it to Dice.

      But then your 3-digit UID would be worthless! And my 6-digit one!! And think of the lost karma! Oh, the humanity!

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  4. Now it's Zoidberg's turn! by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a website read by NERDS, not people wearing business suits.

    If you want to make money with this website, don't do the same stupid mistakes as DHI Group Inc.

    Keep the news and topics nerds-related. Make sure you have nerds on your staff to manage the website and keep your hands off everything.

  5. Kickstarter? by moosehooey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe we can buy it and make it not-for-profit or something. Does anyone know how much they're asking?

    1. Re:Kickstarter? by Dadoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Does anyone know how much they're asking?

      Given the rough estimate of a company's value (if it's not publicly traded) is about 4 times its yearly profits, I'd say Slashdot is worth somewhere between $12m and $16m.

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    2. Re:Kickstarter? by Holi · · Score: 4, Funny

      So it really is worth nothing then?

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    3. Re:Kickstarter? by Zmee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd say Slashdot is worth somewhere between $12m and $16m.

      So in roughly 3 years, Dice/DHI slashed Slashdot's value by $4M to $8M (or 20% to 40%) from when it was purchased at $20M (Dice buys ... Slashdot ... in $20M deal).

    4. Re:Kickstarter? by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Except that they're coming in way below their yearly outlook which said:

      Revenue:
      $18 - $20 mm
      Adjusted EBITDA:
      $5 - $6 mm
      Net income:
      $3 - $4 mm

      But later they're giving Q2 figures saying for the last 6 months:

      Revenue:
      7,667 mm
      Adjusted EBITDA:
      0,852 mm
      Net income:
      0,316 mm

      If the last half of the year is the same, they're only making about 15%-20% of their planned net income. In fact, the last quarter they made no money at all. So I'm thinking way, way less.

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  6. Beta... by bengoerz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even Dice hates it now.

  7. Sugar Daddies? by Hartree · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hey, any of you Slashdot geeks won the lottery lately and have lotsa money you don't know what to do with?

    Just think, you could be the new hero riding in on your shining horse to save us all! (Until we all become disillusioned with you, and we'll flame you like we have everyone else. :) )

  8. Does this mean Bennett Haselton will be fired? by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 5, Funny

    From a cannon, perhaps? Please?!?

  9. Re:I hope they don't fire the editors by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

    No kidding. They need to be dropped on to the street from a very high altitude.

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  10. assumed it would. by nimbius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Beta is awful, thats just a fact of life and so many others have confirmed it in this thread. Among other reasons this turd is being sent to auction:

    s/audience/community. you did that to yourselves, you could have undone it any time you wanted to. we're respected professionals, not a captive audience. we are intelligent enough to run this site. and many, many others like it.

    slashvertisements. how much more do you need to milk from this site. Theres a reason people put "slashdot without adblock is awful" in their sigs. we never asked for videos.

    The layout has gone to shit. Look at soylentnews.org, now back at yourself, now back at soylentnews. note how soylent listened to its users and implemented SSL? they never added tags, they never forced new icons for every iota of topic, and nobody pushed like and share on all social media abilities.

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  11. Re:Ya think, DiNozzo? by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As bad as what they did to Slashdot has been, I feel Sourceforge got shafted far, far worse.

    I mean, the Slashvertisements and other abortive attempts to ram Dice content down our throats really weren't all that surprising. If anything, the only surprise was that they thought it work in the first place, especially given how ham-handed they were about doing it.

    With Sourceforge, however, they were basically caught injecting malware/crapware into downloads. That's about as shady as it gets, and it's going to be extremely hard to get anyone to trust code from there in the future. It would be like... I don't know, maybe if Slashdot was discovered to have been running disinformation/propaganda campaigns for the government/intelligence agencies or something that were paying Dice for it.

  12. WOOHOO!! by neo-mkrey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Finally news for nerds that matters.

  13. Re:DHI tried so hard to break /. but /. persists by Kobun · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd like to see someone buy all three of Slashdot, Reddit and Digg. "SlashRedDigg, where trolls are the news."

  14. Re:Goodbye Slashdot! Been a nice run by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not saying I know who's going to buy it, but a little birdie told me the new name is going to be "Trump News For Nerds".

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  15. You forgot the awful moderation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The moderation has been particularly awful lately. Many perfectly fine comments get modded down to -1. Usually they don't even show the reason for the downmod. It's even getting common to see stories with only a few comments, and all have been modded down. Moderation mistakes are to be expected, of course, but a lot of these downmoddings appear to be targeted. It isn't just GNAA or BSD-is-dying trolls being downmodded, but rather people who have dared to present an independent viewpoint. It's getting to be like Reddit or Hacker News, where if you don't barf out whatever has been deemed to be the "correct viewpoint" then you're treated as a pariah and downmodded without restraint. It wasn't always like this. Dissent and disagreement used to be one of the best parts of /.'s discussions.

  16. Buy a small lake, by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    then piss in it every day for three years or so, and invite your corporate buddies to do the same. Wonder why fewer and fewer people come by for a swim, and why you can't make any money from fishing in the lake. Sell it, probably at a loss, and move on to your next 'conquest'. Way to go Dice!

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  17. Re:Eventuality? by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hint:

    An article about yet-another-buyout / possible closedown of the site gets 150-ish comments, most of them crowing on how bad DHI have treated us.

    I'm pretty low-numbered nowadays, yet I used to be the "newbie" on here.

    The Reg gets more comments per article and has a lot more articles. Even SoylentNews gets not-much-less than Slashdot does and that's basically a startup Slash-clone.

    Site is not what it was, it would be quite a trick to bring it back now.

  18. Re:Eventuality? by jfengel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It has the advantage of once having been worth something. People have a fondness for it. It might tempt back some of the old users. Social networks have an advantage in that they're worth more when more people are there, and that history might just barely let them leverage that.

    The main value of the site, at least to me, was always its user base. I didn't RTFA because the commenters would often be able to give me a better summary of what was really going on. Especially when TFA was clickbait; I could see why it was clickbait without having to read it myself. Or for sciencey stuff that's out of my domain, Slashdot often had people who could explain it at my level. (That is, more than the average layman, but less than a grad student in that field.)

    I'm not gonna get my hopes up, but I'll note that I'm still here, though mostly lurking. There may be others waiting for an improvement to the site's management to contribute more.

  19. You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You've basically just described SoylentNews, a Slashdot clone that appeared when the Slashdot Beta shit really started heating up.

    And you know what? I think it's clear that it's an absolute hell-hole that's worse than Slashdot today, even!

    That community is small. It's small because many of the regular users there are best described as obnoxious extremists. They naturally drive away most normal users with their toxicity.

    The few remaining normal users tend to get modded out of the community quite quickly, merely for daring to express ideas that the extremists dislike.

    The submissions are affected, too. Many of them are pretty much identical copies of submissions that appeared on Slashdot hours or days earlier. The original submissions are typically from the extremists, and usually focus on some obscure and minor political controversy somewhere, typically without any relevant connection to science, or mathematics, or technology, or computing, or software. Good stories don't have a chance at making the front page there.

    We don't need the same sort of toxic environment developing here at Slashdot. As bad as things may seem here, they are nowhere near as bad as at SoylentNews, in my view. At least there are some normal users here. Letting the extremists run the show here, too, would just drive away these normal users, resulting in yet another imbalanced, biased environment where moderation is used to attack people with original or controversial opinions.

    1. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Looks like somebody's afraid of Soylent News. Your +5 post seemingly came out of nowhere, with no prompting. How about letting your users go there and see for themselves just how "extremist" it is?

      " And you know what? I think it's clear that it's an absolute hell-hole that's worse than Slashdot today, even! "

      No flags, no articles masquerading as stories, no users who are corporate sockpuppets as there are here.

      " That community is small. It's small because many of the regular users there are best described as obnoxious extremists. They naturally drive away most normal users with their toxicity. "

      It's small because the users are real, not corporate sockpuppets, and the community is still growing. It has a long way to go but it's already better than this place.

      " The few remaining normal users tend to get modded out of the community quite quickly, merely for daring to express ideas that the extremists dislike. "

      People don't get modded out of the community. They may be modded down, like here, but SN doesn't permaban people for expressing unpopular opinion like Slashdot does.

      " The submissions are affected, too. Many of them are pretty much identical copies of submissions that appeared on Slashdot hours or days earlier. The original submissions are typically from the extremists, and usually focus on some obscure and minor political controversy somewhere, typically without any relevant connection to science, or mathematics, or technology, or computing, or software. Good stories don't have a chance at making the front page there. "

      There is some overlap, but the more political stories encourage discussion from all (dissenting viewpoints included) and your assertion that stories are not about math/tech/computing/software are complete bullshit. As examples, this, this, this, this, and this all in the past 2 days alone.

      " We don't need the same sort of toxic environment developing here at Slashdot. As bad as things may seem here, they are nowhere near as bad as at SoylentNews, in my view. At least there are some normal users here. Letting the extremists run the show here, too, would just drive away these normal users, resulting in yet another imbalanced, biased environment where moderation is used to attack people with original or controversial opinions."

      There are plenty of "normal" users at Soylent News, in not only the unextreme sense but the "real-and-not-a-corporate-sockpuppet" sense. And most importantly, there aren't any corporate sponsors or advertisers who have a stake in deciding what can or can't go into and be modded down in the discussions. Now, whether or not SN will sell out to Dice in another 15 years, I can't say. What I can say is that a lot of the assertions you are making are bullshit, and you should leave it up to the few remaining non-corporate-sockpuppet users you have to decide for themselves.

      Signed,
      -- A Longtime Slashdot and now Soylent News Reader

    2. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by evilviper · · Score: 5, Informative

      You've basically just described SoylentNews, a Slashdot clone that appeared when the Slashdot Beta shit really started heating up.

      SoylentNews never aspired to be anything like slashdot. Instead NCommander stated clearly "SoylentNews intends to be a source of journalism", which just resulted in it becoming HuffingtonPost with discussion, instead of a /. replacement.

      The only direct replacement for /. that appeared was PipeDot. "pipedot intends to be a better slashdot". https://pipedot.org/comment/2C... Unfortunately, the word hardly got out, and readership over there is pretty low.

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    3. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by myrdos2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have to admit, your post does sound a little, well, angry and extremist.

      How about letting your users go there and see for themselves just how "extremist" it is?

      Do... do we have some way of stopping them?

      People don't get modded out of the community. They may be modded down, like here, but SN doesn't permaban people for expressing unpopular opinion like Slashdot does.

      I think what he meant is that people get tired of being modded down all the time and leave.

      What I can say is that a lot of the assertions you are making are bullshit, and you should leave it up to the few remaining non-corporate-sockpuppet users you have to decide for themselves.

      Now you have to admit, this smells of extremism. The hostility. The defensiveness. The strong emotional statements that don't seem based in reality. OTOH, I'm almost certainly a corporate shill who can be ignored? Because Slashdot.

  20. buy low sell high by Nick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I guess I should've taken that $2k offer my 3 digit UID when I chance. It's been a fun 18 years or so, but the future of /. doesn't seem to bright.

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    1. Re:buy low sell high by mrbester · · Score: 4, Interesting

      With regards to low UIDs, it's refreshing to see so many posts from sub 1E6 users. It's a pity that the quality of /. has gone so far downhill that it is only news that we're about to get fucked over again that brings them blinking into the light...

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  21. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by Narcocide · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1) No, that's completely wrong. Think about that one a bit harder.
    2) You'll find this is the situation with moderators pretty much everywhere in real life; you must be young
    3) Also wrong, and obviously so; you know very well posting to a thread you moderated will undo the moderation, and frankly it matters very little since moderation can't completely remove any posts.
    4) You'll find this is also true of the internet in general.
    5) You'll find the distinction between these two types of posts is only clear if you're the one who posted it. This is a universal constant of society too; nothing to do with slashcode.
    6) You didn't think this one out very carefully either, obviously.
    7) See #6. What, do you think getting all your friends to help gang up and moderate some poor sucker's post to -1000 is gonna actually help this situation any? Careful... your hidden agenda is showing...
    8) see #5
    9) Seriously? all your complaints above and you actually still think someone is gonna use a "disagree" moderation when they can call it a troll or flamebait? you said yourself there's no accountability.... come on. if you want to actually address problems you have to actually think out your "solutions" to their logical conclusion. Even if you could enforce use of "disagree" moderation, there's absolutely no sane world where disagreeing with someone's post should be justification for being allowed to moderate it. In fact, quite the opposite; what your suggestion creates here is called a "conflict of interest." At best, this suggestion doesn't change anything at all and just adds server load and development costs. At worst, it actually causes/exacerbates a problem you claim to care about; that legitimate posts are unfairly moderated down.
    10) I'm not even sure what you mean by this. The moderator points are assigned clearly by past behavior. Don't post anonymously so much and you'll get more moderator points to spend. Simple. This point also appears to be wrong, but Its possible I just don't understand what you mean, or you meant to type something else.

    And then we have:

    11) I guess I don't know about any delays, but my guess is its a server-load/hosting-cost issue. Not all ACs are going to be the honorable gentlemen you envision them to be; many of them are actually trying to crash or infect Slashdot's servers 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. In the real world, I can't imagine any high profile website that allows users to post content anonymously without any sort of throttle whatsoever. You must not maintain web software for a living.
    12) Ok this one you're right about, and I actually agree with you. Someone clearly needs to brush up on their understanding of character sets and regular expressions, because the data handling of this text field is so amateur-hour 1996. Its pretty embarrassing to see it still behaving the same exact way in 2015. They should have put development man-hours into fixing this first, instead of that whole "Slashdot Beta" boondoggle.
    13) God help us all if you actually get your way on this one. The rest of us would rather NOT see every single user's stupid rich-content banner-ad signature. I'm certain the signature character limit was specifically chosen to prohibit the ability for the signatures to carry a Google tracking tag. Your other opinions might just be misguided, but this one makes me suspect you're actually a bad person, who seeks to do harm on those around him.

    And of course...

    14) Ok, I agree here too. The editing sucks. At least they could fix obvious typos and grammatical errors, missing links, outright inaccuracies, etc. Its pretty clear most of them take zero pride in their work, or else their parents just didn't discipline them enough as children.
    15) No, the firehose is there so all submissions are visible by the users. If you think its a waste of time just don't use it. Nobody ever implied you should in the first place. Your lack of self control isn't a justification for removing

  22. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by Narcocide · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Disagree != misunderstand.

    Nice advertisement in your signature.

  23. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 3, Insightful

    NO. Just no.

    I agree with you about the stupid character set problem and the need for better editors/editing, but almost everything else you complain about is actually what makes moderation here vastly superior to just about any other site. It's certainly not perfect, and there are perhaps tweaks to be done to moderation, but if we did what you suggest, it would completely fill the site with crap posts and allow the moderation to be gamed as on every other internet site.

    Most of your complaints could be solved by not posting AC and by contributing positively to the site (and thus getting good karma). If users can't be bothered to do that, I don't want to see their posts. I only want to see an AC if it's a really superior post, so the default moderation levels are about right. Again, it's not perfect, but it's superior to most sites and to almost everything you're proposing.

  24. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Slashdot only needs some slight tweaks to get back to being excellent again.

    1. 1 minute between posts
    2. User names of people who moderated a post listed
    3. Lower bar to entry for getting mod points, because at the moment you have to choose between commenting freely and gaming the system to get mod points
    4. Get rid of the share button

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  25. Re:The Accusation by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

    What you failed to mention is that Grayson was not in a relationship with Quinn at the time he wrote that list of 50 indie games. He didn't write the article about the game jam, unless you have previously undiscovered link to it.

    Anyway, the original claim was sex for a positive review. The review doesn't exist. If all she got was a mention in a list of 50 games and a screenshot at the top I'd say she got a pretty bad deal. If it were my girlfriend I think I'd try harder than that to help her out.

    Also of note is the fact that the guy who made the post with this claim in it is currently under restraining order preventing him from spreading more lies. There is a post on Reddit begging for another $3000 to appeal, if you feel like throwing some money away. Clearly the courts disagree with your position.

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