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Kentucky Man Arrested After Shooting Down Drone

McGruber writes: Hillview, Kentucky resident William H. Merideth describes his weekend: "Sunday afternoon, the kids – my girls – were out on the back deck, and the neighbors were out in their yard. And they come in and said, 'Dad, there's a drone out here, flying over everybody's yard.'" Merideth's neighbors saw it too. "It was just hovering above our house and it stayed for a few moments and then she finally waved and it took off," said neighbor Kim VanMeter. Merideth grabbed his shotgun and waited to see if the drone crossed over his property. When it did, he took aim and shot it out of the sky.

The owners showed up shortly, and the police right after. He was arrested and charged with first degree criminal mischief and first degree wanton endangerment before being released the next day. Merideth says he will pursue legal action against the drone's owner: "He didn't just fly over. If he had been moving and just kept moving, that would have been one thing -- but when he come directly over our heads, and just hovered there, I felt like I had the right. You know, when you're in your own property, within a six-foot privacy fence, you have the expectation of privacy. We don't know if he was looking at the girls. We don't know if he was looking for something to steal. To me, it was the same as trespassing."

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  1. Right to Privacy in One's Backyard? by McGruber · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here's a key detail from the article:

    Merideth's neighbors saw it too. "It was just hovering above our house and it stayed for a few moments and then she finally waved and it took off," said neighbor Kim VanMeter. VanMeter has a 16-year-old daughter who lays out at their pool. She says a drone hovering with a camera is creepy and weird. "I just think you should have privacy in your own backyard," she said.

    1. Re:Right to Privacy in One's Backyard? by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course he has the right to privacy in his own backyard. How on earth could anybody question that?

      And yes, I personally also think that shooting down the drone was also justified. There should be jammers that bring down these things and it should be legal to possess and use them in the appropriate circumstances such as a drone hovering over your backyard.

    2. Re:Right to Privacy in One's Backyard? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 5, Informative

      Firing a weapon in a populated area except in defense of life and limb is a colossally stupid idea

      Shotgun pellets don't have a lethal return velocity, unlike a bullet. If he was firing upwards at a drone, then nobody else was in danger. I've been peppered by falling shotgun pellets while hunting once (many people have,) it's just like somebody dropped a bunch of BBs on your head from 10 feet up.

      and patently against the law

      No, it's not. It depends on where you live. Not every town has ordinances against that, and those that do have certain guidelines for where it is permissible (for example, an indoor or outdoor firing range that meets certain parameters.)

    3. Re:Right to Privacy in One's Backyard? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ok that's very aggressive.

      No, it's not. It would be aggressive if he began brandishing the weapon prior to them taking any action. However because they began advancing first, and he issued a warning afterwards without taking any action, that's being defensive. If anything, the other party was being aggressive, because they confronted him first.

    4. Re:Right to Privacy in One's Backyard? by mpercy · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Private landowners retain their right to exclusive use of the airspace for the reasonable enjoyment of their property up to 500 feet above their lands.[3]"

      FAA airspace begins above 500 feet. No shotgun will knock down a drone at 500 ft, so the drone must have been below that, probably more like 50 feet, well within the "exclusive" zone.

  2. Re:"...the same as trespassing." by digsbo · · Score: 5, Informative

    In some states, castle doctrine applies outside of the boundaries of the home. Also, if someone leaves a recording device on your property in an area where you have an expectation of privacy, you would generally be assumed to have a right to destroy it if it were on the ground.

  3. Re:Or... just hear me out here... by digsbo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And generally the police will look at the sky, see no object, and say, "If it happens again, call us," and will never do anything.

  4. Re:"...the same as trespassing." by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Except that you can't ask a drone questions.

    I expect this to be a legal mess for a long time. This will probably come down to property rights.

    The area above the property is private, but the extent of that ownership is not entirely defined. Cases like this will probably define it.

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  5. Re:I agree with the shooter by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The fact that the owner(s) showed up before the police did is proof that they knew where the drone was and what it was doing, and that they were in control of it: in other words, an admission of criminal trespassing.

  6. Misleading headline by HangingChad · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hillview Police detective Charles McWhirter of says you can't fire your gun in the city.

    He wasn't charged for shooting a drone, he was charged to discharging a gun within city limits. Reckless endangerment doesn't have anything to do with drones it means he was being a risk to public safety.

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  7. Third Dimension by duckintheface · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We are accustomed to living in a 2D world (unless you live in a tall apartment in NY... and even then) but drones add a third dimension that we are not used to. I think the FAA has been far too lax in allowing drones to operate in unrestricted space and in not applying radio controlled airplane regulations to drones. Already we have drones crashing into buildings, falling on people, endangering commercial and emergency response airplanes etc, etc)

    A good starting point would be to recognize the airspace above private property as part of the property, up to the level allowed to commercial aircraft. That would mean that drones could only fly above designated land surfaces.

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    1. Re:Third Dimension by Alioth · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Drones are subject to the same rules that RC aircraft are subject to.

      It is however extremely hard to enforce. RC users are generally pretty responsible - they've probably spent many hours building their aircraft, and during this time it has sunk in the dangers they can pose, and usually they've joined a local club to help them learn to fly their new expensive aircraft and the club will also coach them on safely operating their aircraft.

      Drone users not so much. Many of the ready-to-fly drones require pretty much zero skill to operate, so people can take off and cause mischief pretty much straight away.

    2. Re:Third Dimension by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      up to the level allowed to commercial aircraft

      That is too high.

      • 1 - Passenger-carrying fixed-wing aircraft. They have no place being near the ground except for takeoff or landing, light aircraft obviously fly much lower than jets. It ain't broke, don't fix it.
      • 2 - Helicopters. They fly a lot lower and make a lot of noise, at least they are expensive and dangerous enough that they are not ubiquitous.
      • 3 - Drones. They should be below the helicopters.

      But what can - say - Gisele Bündchen do if some obnoxious prat has a camera-carrying drone hovering over her home? No "Lex Bündchen" here, anyone else should have the same expectation of privacy at their home.
      Drones have been adapted to carry firearms, how close should they be allowed to approach?

      If people are telling the truth here, taking a shotgun to it was a fair response.

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    3. Re:Third Dimension by mbeckman · · Score: 5, Informative

      This instance was illegal. I'm an RC modeler, a licensed helicopter pilot, and a drone builder. This drone was flying illegally by all existing laws.

  8. Re:"...the same as trespassing." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    you _do_ know that outside of physics class we take air resistance into account, right?

  9. Faa rules for RC planes by thbigr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So below are all the rules for flying an RC plane. Why don't we simply apply the rules to drones? As a matter of fact, you have to explain to me why the don't automatically apply anyway?

    Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of surrounding obstacles
    Keep the aircraft within visual line of sight at all times
    Remain well clear of and do not interfere with manned aircraft operations
    Don't fly within 5 miles of an airport unless you contact the airport and control tower before flying
    Don't fly near people or stadiums
    Don't fly an aircraft that weighs more than 55 lbs
    Don't be careless or reckless with your unmanned aircraft â" you could be fined for endangering people or other aircraft

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  10. Re:I agree with the shooter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    His drone just got shot down, and his first thought was to go knock on the shotgun-toting property owner's door?! Brilliant.