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Indian Ocean Debris Believed To Come From Missing Flight MH370

McGruber writes that air crash investigators, though maintaining that it is "too early to tell" with certainty, have 'a high degree of confidence' that a piece of wreckage found on the Indian Ocean island of La Reunion is from a Boeing 777 — the same model as the doomed MH370 which disappeared in March 2014. Investigators will need to examine closely the wreckage to link it to MH370, but MH370 was the only Boeing 777 ever lost over water.

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  1. A "Badly-Damaged" Suitcase has also been found by McGruber · · Score: 5, Informative

    A 'badly-damaged' suitcase has also been found in the same area: Google Translation of French-Language news report

    1. Re:A "Badly-Damaged" Suitcase has also been found by McGruber · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you open the link, scroll down to the bottom of the page -- there are three pictures posted there, underneath the video of talking-heads.

    2. Re:A "Badly-Damaged" Suitcase has also been found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's what a suitcase looks like, I bet the people didn't look much better. (I mean, before months and months went by, conspiracy theories aside.)

      You'd think someone would recognize their loved one's valise.

    3. Re:A "Badly-Damaged" Suitcase has also been found by TWX · · Score: 1

      I hope they find significant pieces that don't lend themselves to being easily transported. Unfortunately a single relatively small piece of plane is not enough evidence to prove that the plane went down in the ocean, only to prove that a single, relatively small piece of plane was found in/near the ocean.

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    4. Re:A "Badly-Damaged" Suitcase has also been found by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

      With that amount of damage, I'd say it must have come from a United flight.

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    5. Re: A "Badly-Damaged" Suitcase has also been found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But those same things would be that which would stay at the crash site. Which is unlikely to be found, as it is at the ocean bottom.

    6. Re:A "Badly-Damaged" Suitcase has also been found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unfortunately a single relatively small piece of plane is not enough evidence to prove that the plane went down in the ocean

      A verified piece of a 777, barnacle encrusted (been in the ocean for months), but not weed encrusted (hasn't been there for years), given that exactly one 777 is missing in the world, would be enough evidence to show that in all statistical likelihood (beyond reasonable doubt), it is a part of the missing plane, and that it crashed in the ocean.

      Now hopefully, there will be serial numbers on this wing component which will identify it explicitly with this aircraft.

      Those who look for "100% proof" are the people that continually make up conspiracy theories. They won't be happy even with a personal submarine trip down to the plane.

    7. Re:A "Badly-Damaged" Suitcase has also been found by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Finding a structural piece like a high speed flap does tend to rule out the plain surviving.....

    8. Re:A "Badly-Damaged" Suitcase has also been found by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 1

      "Badly-Damaged" suitcase? It's the zipper and some reinforcing. That is like holding up the aircraft flaperon that was found and declaring it to be a "badly-damaged" airliner.

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    9. Re:A "Badly-Damaged" Suitcase has also been found by fisted · · Score: 2

      holding up the aircraft flaperon that was found and declaring it to be a "badly-damaged" airliner.

      Well technically it is. Extremely badly damaged, even.

    10. Re:A "Badly-Damaged" Suitcase has also been found by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      It's looking increasingly likely. Apparently a Chinese water bottle and some Indonesian cleaning products have now washed up on Reunion as well.

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    11. Re:A "Badly-Damaged" Suitcase has also been found by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      No link to the song United Breaks Guitars? For shame! :)

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    12. Re: A "Badly-Damaged" Suitcase has also been found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are aware that the term 'conspiracy theory' was a PR thing made up by the CIA to discredit people who disbelieved the pack of lies surrounding the JFK assassination, right? Go look it up, and then ponder why it is you're such a tool for continuing to engage in pre-emptive ad hominem attacks against people who think that government officials and corporations might just not tell the truth all the time.

      One might ask just exactly what level of evidence you require before you understand that concept? There's certainly enough of it even recently. People were called conspiracy theorists and tinfoil hat wearers who knew and even had some proof of the NSA's misdeeds before Snowden proved them true, but even that didn't stop the insults against people who question things.

      Are there nut jobs out there? Yep. Some nut jobs believe in rather odd things. Still others believe in the myth that the US is some kind of global force for good and would never do anything wrong or lie to its population about misdeeds.

    13. Re: A "Badly-Damaged" Suitcase has also been found by KGIII · · Score: 1

      No, it predates Kennedy. However, after JFK is when it got its derogatory meaning. Of course, this could be conspiracy and not Wikipedia or Wikipedia could be in on the conspiracy... Maybe you should try editing the Wikipedia article to find out.

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  2. Wow by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

    That's 3800 miles (6100 km) from where the plane was last seen. I wonder if they'll be able to figure out how far the plane flew and how far the debris drifted.

    1. Re: Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was thinking they may be able to have a better location of the wreck based on ocean currents and the time it drifted for distance.

    2. Re: Wow by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      One of the early postulates was that

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    3. Re: Wow by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      One of the early postulates was that a software bug caused the autopilot to fly along 90 E towards 0/0. If it ran out of fuel on that course ... I wonder what Indian Ocean currents look like. Given the time and some current mapping it might be possible to estimate the splash zone now.

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    4. Re: Wow by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wouldn't be surprised if they could get some more specific clues on what water it's been in - for example, marine growth species types or isotopic ratios - to help pin it down better than just general drift calculations (lots of places could dump debris on Réunion). There are could also be potential clues on how much sun or what temperatures it's been exposed to, such as rates of plastic degradation, and perhaps that might also help give them better ideas of what areas it's been in based on weather patterns since the flight was lost.

      There are so many potential clues... each one rather vague on its own, but all together, I imagine they'll get pointed in the right direction.

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    5. Re:Wow by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Interesting

      there's marine life attached to the wing

      i was wondering two things:

      1. if not by species, then maybe by subspecies, or some sublte variation within a species, that they could attach an area to where the wing developed the attached creatures

      2. if there are variations in isotopes the marine species would absorb differentially by area, if that can be pinpointed to an area. that would probably be very subtle and not helpful. just an idea

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    6. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was wondering one thing:

      Why don't you use caps?

    7. Re: Wow by segedunum · · Score: 2

      So an autopilot malfunction caused the plane to lose all contact with the outside world completely and fly in a corridor, in three dimensions at the right altitude, precisely where different air traffic controls would think it was each other's responsibility and allow it passage? You think that if it gives you comfort. However, there is no getting away from the fact that this is the most alarming plane disappearance in history and even finding wreckage is unlikely to yield the answers required.

    8. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He has a luxuriant head of hair and doesn't need to cover a bald spot.

    9. Re: Wow by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      That course would have ended up at Zero Zero Island and Colonel Bleep had to take action to keep his headquarters secret.

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    10. Re:Wow by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      thank you

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    11. Re: Wow by xevioso · · Score: 0

      You are seriously dating yourself with this reference.

    12. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on posting timing: I'm welcome.

    13. Re: Wow by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      And your point is? At least I included a link to the reference because even I don't expect most Slashdotters to recognize that one! (To be honest, what I remembered was the name of the island, and worked from there.)

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    14. Re: Wow by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that. That was way before my time but I've got quite a fondness for that era. Like the whole late-1950s to 1970s.

      " In the early 1970s, while Jack Schleh was closing Soundac and moving the company's materials to a van, car thieves stole the van, which was never found."

      So sad, and mysterious. I wonder if we'll find film rolls as people pass on?

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    15. Re: Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are seriously dating yourself with this reference.

      This is slashdot. People "date" themselves all the time, ifyaknowwhatImean.

  3. Bad news for recovery of the black boxes by Rigel47 · · Score: 2

    If big wing sections broke off it suggests the onboard computer was not able to cruise the plane to a gentl landing (or maybe it tried and slammed into a giant wave). Anyways, if the plane broke up then the sonar signature for the jet is probably not what they're looking for and the pieces of the plane could be scattered over a very wide area. I imagine jet wings that are empty of fuel will float around for a while.

    1. Re:Bad news for recovery of the black boxes by Thelasko · · Score: 4, Informative

      I imagine jet wings that are empty of fuel will float around for a while.

      Wings that are full of fuel will float too, because jet fuel has a lower density than water.

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    2. Re:Bad news for recovery of the black boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, but the wing itself doesn't...

    3. Re:Bad news for recovery of the black boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Uh, no autopilot has the ability to land a plane (intact) on water. Heck, I wonder if the data currently gathered by sensors and instruments would suffice to program one - the difficulty is assessing height and with no ILS beams to guide the AP, the radar altimeter is the only choice and probably not accurate enough for determining precisely when to flare (forget GPS and altimeter). Landing on water is so difficult that whilst it might seem preferable to land if no runway is in the vicinity when you need it, almost any somewhat flat terrain is better because then the landing gear can be used to absorb the impact. Water is hard as concrete at that speed (as you should know). And calm water is bad because it's harder for pilots to see their height by looking at it.

      The more interesting question is if they can decipher whether it started breaking up in the air. Wings are very robust and due to their shape they fall slower in in-flight breakups so a large chunk of a wing like that requires more examination - and I'd guess they also check for signs of a fire when that has been one of the more credible theories (+ one possible sighting of a burning aircraft from a sailboat under the believed flightpath). But then too the question is whether it was before or after impact.

    4. Re:Bad news for recovery of the black boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strange, vertical fins do... oh yeah, all the foam.. There should be lots of that kind of stuff floating around somewhere. Guess we can't reveal our capabilities of spotting stuff that easily. I mean, what does it matter? They're all dead anyway, right? Everybody please, just go home and accept your loss. You're asking too many impertinent questions.

    5. Re:Bad news for recovery of the black boxes by jittles · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right, but the wing itself doesn't...

      Surely you jest. The inside of a wing is almost all empty space or fuel storage. The wing is not a solid piece of aluminum. It's full of sealed air pockets. The flaperon (as it was not the entire wing that they found) is just a small portion of the wing. It is very light and far less dense than water as it would not have any fuel storage, wiring, or other materials inside of it. Unless the outer shell was compromised across several of the inner compartments, it would float quite easily.

    6. Re:Bad news for recovery of the black boxes by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Uh, no autopilot has the ability to land a plane (intact) on water.

      Matter of fact, no human pilot does, consistently, at sea. Even the largest seaplanes depend on protected water (harbors, lagoons, rivers etc.) for normal operations, and an open-sea landing is an emergency procedure.

      When the USS Indianapolis survivors were found, 70 years ago this week, a PBY landed near them with no hope of taking off; it simply served as an improved lifeboat until surface vessels arrived, and was then sunk.

    7. Re:Bad news for recovery of the black boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless the outer shell was compromised across several of the inner compartments, it would float quite easily.

      Eureka! an iceberg must have done it.

    8. Re:Bad news for recovery of the black boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to Wikipedia, it couldn't take off because they lashed survivors to the wings with paracord, which ultimately damaged the wings rendering the PBY unflyable.

    9. Re:Bad news for recovery of the black boxes by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Watch this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?... - Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961. Water is terrible to land on. Let alone exposed middle of the indian ocean chopped up by the wind water.

    10. Re:Bad news for recovery of the black boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wikipedia is hardly a valid document for contradicting another source. I'm a pilot with a seaplane rating. You don't land on the open ocean with the intent of taking off again. Interviews with the crew of the PBY and the ship it flew from both say the same thing; they went to be a lifeboat for as many survivors as they could.

    11. Re:Bad news for recovery of the black boxes by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 0

      The only reason that one ended up so bad was because the airplane actually hit a rock that was sticking slightly above the surface. Otherwise it could have glided along the water.

    12. Re:Bad news for recovery of the black boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both you and the parent are wrong! The real reason was that the captain was wrestling for control with one of the hijackers. Watch some of the many documentaries about the hijacking. That said, I've made another comment pointing out that it indeed is extremely difficult to land on water and that autopilots aren't programmed to do it. However, a case in which a hijacker tries to crash the plane at the same time is not a valid comparison.

    13. Re:Bad news for recovery of the black boxes by Aviation+Pete · · Score: 1

      The inside of the flaperon is vented so that air pressure changes will not cause additional stress. There is no sealed inside volume, and full of water the flaperon should sink quickly. Somehow the venting holes must have been above the waterline most of the time. It is pure luck that it drifted so long, and most of the other stuff from the plane should since long rest at the bottom of the ocean.

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    14. Re:Bad news for recovery of the black boxes by Aviation+Pete · · Score: 1

      Uh, no autopilot has the ability to land a plane (intact) on water.

      Only if the engines are running, driving the generators and hydraulic pumps. An autopilot set for cruise will maintain altitude as long as possible (read: Until all fuel is exhausted), and then run for some time on battery power. If the Ram Air Turbine is not deployed quickly (and the autopilot by itself is incapable of doing this), the hydraulics will soon fail to work and whatever commands the autopilot sends will be ignored by the control system. Bottom line: The plane will descend uncontrollably. Not land, but crash.

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  4. No Flotsam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    But lots of JETsam.

  5. It is exactly where I said it was... by NathanWoodruff · · Score: 0

    More than a year ago... http://slashdot.org/comments.p... Nathan

    1. Re:It is exactly where I said it was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations.

      Is that what you wanted^H^H^H^H^H^Hneeded to hear?

  6. that belongs to Louise Baltimore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's not a valise, that's an IBM 5110!

  7. Here we go again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously waiting for the analysis to be completed is out of the question so I postulate the piece of wing was planted in Reunion so the media can start this all over again.

    1. Re: Here we go again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For-profit news media corporations have a huge motive to generate click worthy events. Reminds me of the Action News skit on Almost Live where the desperate reporters started fires and fired rifles from rooftops to "report" on.

  8. Currents by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you look at the currents in the Indian Ocean, and trace backwards from Reunion (it and Mauritius are the two dots east of Madagascar), you pass right through the area they've been searching off of Australia.

    1. Re:Currents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you look at the currents in the Indian Ocean, and trace backwards from Reunion (it and Mauritius are the two dots east of Madagascar), you pass right through the area they've been searching off of Australia.

      I'm afraid ocean currents are not as neat as that. They are pretty messy >> http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surface/currents/orthographic=79.61,-7.51,591

    2. Re:Currents by Deadstick · · Score: 2

      Another edifying link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    3. Re:Currents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of paying so much attention to abstruse mathematical models, maybe the authorities should have believed human eyewitnesses more.

      "Maldive islanders have claimed that they of saw a low-flying aircraft head away from them in a south-westerly direction - towards Mauritius and La Reunion."
      Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3179584/Malaysia-certain-MH370-Investigators-despatched-Indian-Ocean-island-prove-six-foot-wing-flap-belongs-Boeing-777.html

  9. CNN has another 4 months of programming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The need to rename that network.

    1. Re:CNN has another 4 months of programming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chicken Noodle News?

    2. Re:CNN has another 4 months of programming by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      'Clinton News Network' same as it's always been.

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  10. Well, now we actually know several things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    First, we know this is from the aircraft in question. How? It has been visually verified to be a part that is unique to a Boeing 777. The 777 has a remarkable safety record, with only one being lost at/over sea. Therefore, unless a shipload of 777 wing parts sank without Boeing's knowledge, this is from the incident airframe.

    Second, we can now be certain of what was gleaned from the satellite data, that the crew flew the plane off course. How? The part washed-up from the Indian Ocean rather than the Pacific somewhere near China or Japan etc. This also tells us that whatever the famous oil rig worker saw, it had nothing to do with this flight.

    Third, we can probably deduce that the part was separated from the rest of the airframe above the water or on a hard impact with the surface. Had this part been on the plane at the time of a "gentle" ditching, it likely would have been dragged to the bottom with the rest. Had this part (made of heavier-than-water materials) been dragged to the bottom, most of the air within it would have leaked out (these elements are not air-tight because if they were, they'd explode when planes climb to cruise altitude) and and any trapped air remaining would compress too much to provide buoyancy so it would not have risen to the surface to float around the ocean.

    1. Re:Well, now we actually know several things by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Had this part been on the plane at the time of a "gentle" ditching, it likely would have been dragged to the bottom with the rest.

      It's a flap (and high-speed aileron). In a 'gentle' ditching, it would have been one of the first things to hit the sea, at over 100mph. I'd be amazed if it wouldn't be one of the first things to be torn off the plane, after the engines.

      Hopefully Boeing can work out whether the damage is consistent with ditching or an uncontrolled impact, but I wouldn't make any claims yet myself.

    2. Re:Well, now we actually know several things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully Boeing can work out whether the damage is consistent with ditching or an uncontrolled impact, but I wouldn't make any claims yet myself.

      I suspect Boeing and the various investigative agencies can make some statistically likely "guesses". They always prefer more than one piece of debris (that is why they collect every piece than can) to increase the supporting evidence. But you do what you can with what you have.

    3. Re:Well, now we actually know several things by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Please watch this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?... This is the video of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 trying to land on the ocean. THAT is a close to a gentle ditching as you are going to get and you think it would have remained intact???

    4. Re:Well, now we actually know several things by Deadstick · · Score: 2

      THAT is a close to a gentle ditching as you are going to get

      Well, no it isn't, actually; US Airways 1549 is. That one took place on smooth water, not the high seas, but there have been numerous other ditchings in moderately higher sea states that were non-catastrophic. It's a crapshoot.

      Underwing engines are held in place by shear pins that will break in a ditching and let them be carried away, so if everything goes just right, the wings won't be ripped off and the airplane will have a chance of floating for a while. Flaps, OTOH, would be down for minimum speed and would very likely come off.

    5. Re:Well, now we actually know several things by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      True, it wasn't a really accurate video but I thought offset the "it was water, plane should be fine" argument.

      I believe the plane probably hit the water unguided and un-powered. I suspect it flew along the guessed flight path on auto till the fuel ran out and then glided into the water. Meaning it would have come down nose in first if nothing else. Also in the period after the crash weather was disrupting the search and those storms had come in from where the plane was thoughts to have gone down. It would likely have meant that the sea would have been anything other than smooth like 1549's was.

    6. Re:Well, now we actually know several things by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 2

      This is the video of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 trying to land on the ocean. THAT is a close to a gentle ditching as you are going to get and you think it would have remained intact???

      A minor detail that derails your argument - the flight crew of Ethiopian Flight 961 were fighting hijackers in the cockpit while attempting to dead-stick the jet with no power after it ran out of fuel. The crew was a bit task-saturated, to put it mildly.

      Airliners can be ditched more or less intact in calm seas - that is why they are equipped with floatation devices, rafts, detachable inflatable escape slides. There are established check-list procedures for at-sea ditching.

      See U.S. Air 1549 for an example of a successful ditching. An engine did break off during the landing, but otherwise the aircraft was intact and all of the passengers and crew survived.

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    7. Re:Well, now we actually know several things by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      1549 was into a smooth river and there was a pilot in control and he had power. Realistically MH came down after running out of fuel, with no one controlling it. Auto pilot wouldn't have been able to detect the water level and who knows what it would have been trying to do with no power and a glide decent.

      The only argument where MH comes down in the Indian ocean with a live pilot at the stick would be either a suicidal pilot or a pilot under duress.

      More likely it hit the water nose down in an unpowered glide. It may or may not have hit flat, who knows. But it would have been coming into rough water which makes it much more likely it tumbled.

    8. Re:Well, now we actually know several things by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Informative

      Auto pilot wouldn't have been able to detect the water level and who knows what it would have been trying to do with no power and a glide decent.

      In that situation, with no power, the autopilot would have automatically disconnected, there is no way the aircraft would have been under autopilot control after the fuel ran out and the RAT (ram air turbine, the emergency power system) deployed.

    9. Re: Well, now we actually know several things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the only thing we know is that somebody found an airplane part and that the part appears consistent with a 777.

      Everything else you stated, while logical and probably close
        to the truth, rests on the assumption that this isn't somehow manufactured evidence for some purpose. Given that we've seen that sort of thing before, it is at least possible.

    10. Re:Well, now we actually know several things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if the autopilot has diconnected, does the 777 have something like the "normal law" mode of an airbus? Even with the autopilot off, how would the plane behave with no control inputs?

    11. Re:Well, now we actually know several things by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      In the situation where you have no power and the RAT is deployed, even an Airbus would no longer be in "normal law" - its well beyond that at that point.

      If the auto pilot is disconnected, the aircraft will not do anything itself to maintain speed, altitude, attitude or heading, unless it reaches one of the flight envelope limits and then it will attempt to adjust factors to accommodate the limit being reached, but in general the aircraft will leisurely roll and yaw based on external factors such as wind, turbulence etc.

      If the aircraft is in an abnormal law situation, with no power other than the RAT, the FBW system does nothing other than direct connection between input and control surfaces - so the aircraft will yaw and roll at will with no limit . It won't even attempt to accommodate any flight envelope limits being reached.

    12. Re:Well, now we actually know several things by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 1

      1549 was into a smooth river and there was a pilot in control and he had power.

      Please try Googling some facts before posting. US Airways 1549 lost both engines to bird strikes. The A320 can be flown on a single engine if one fails, but both were knocked out on 1549. Yes, he landed on a relatively smooth river, but he had only a few minutes to cope with the situation. It was an excellent bit of flying.

      Also, even if an airliner is able to ditch intact, 15 months in the ocean can tear apart structures. Just because we see a part has been torn off does not automatically mean it was torn off during a crash. It also doesn't mean that wasn't.

      My overall point is this - intact controlled ditching is an established emergency procedure, and executed properly in acceptable sea and weather conditions can lead to a survivable intact water entry. Ditching at sea does not mean an automatic crash leading to fatalities.

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    13. Re:Well, now we actually know several things by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      I believe by saying "he had power" the OP meant that the APU was running so the pilot had power to to flight control mechanisms.

    14. Re:Well, now we actually know several things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      also this aircraft had Airbus's flight envelope control software that helped the captain keep the dam thing flying as it lost speed.

      from wikipedia

      US Airways Flight 1549, an Airbus A320 experienced a dual engine failure after a bird strike and subsequently landed safely in the Hudson River. The NTSB accident report[11] mentions the effect of flight envelope protection: "The airplane’s airspeed in the last 150 feet of the descent was low enough to activate the alpha-protection mode of the airplane’s fly-by-wire envelope protection features... Because of these features, the airplane could not reach the maximum AOA attainable in pitch normal law for the airplane weight and configuration; however, the airplane did provide maximum performance for the weight and configuration at that time... The flight envelope protections allowed the captain to pull full aft on the sidestick without the risk of stalling the airplane."

    15. Re:Well, now we actually know several things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect Boeing and the various investigative agencies can make some statistically likely "guesses". They always prefer more than one piece of debris (that is why they collect every piece than can) to increase the supporting evidence. But you do what you can with what you have.

      The fact that this piece of debris was found on French territory is a slight boost for the investigation. The BEA is usually considered the best accident investigation agency in the world and known for their impartiality because unlike other agencies, their task is explicitly not to assign fault in their reports but to only state factual information and then it's up to a court to decide who - if anyone - is to blame (think expert witness in court). The BEA would probably have been consulted anyway no matter where it was found since the 777's flaperons are made by an Airbus subsidiary. However, when debris from an aircraft is found on territory belonging to a country, that country has the first choice to lead the investigation under international conventions.

  11. Identification as part of a 777 disputed by Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Identification of this piece as part of a 777 was initially disputed by Russia, until they realized Russia wasn't "suspected" of shooting down this one.

  12. Iceberg theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are the chances this plane sunk from hitting an iceberg? Some icebergs very hard to see until it's too late as most of the iceberg is actually under the water (think Titanic, etc.)
       

    1. Re:Iceberg theory by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      That would have been a VERY tall iceberg!

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    2. Re:Iceberg theory by quenda · · Score: 1

      Why do these crazy conspiracy theories always blame the Jews?

  13. Littering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As if they had enough problems, now Malaysian Airlines will get fined for littering

    1. Re:Littering by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      As if they had enough problems, now Malaysian Airlines will get fined for littering

      I flew on Malaysian airlines recently and got two empty seats next to me. That hasn't happened on a US plane in a long time.

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    2. Re:Littering by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Depends on the routes you fly - I fly regularly Amsterdam-Uganda and then Uganda-Kenya-Amsterdam as the return trip. The outbound leg is always 100% full. The flight back from Kenya to Amsterdam has always been a 777, and has always had less than 50 passengers on board for the entire aircraft. Its not so much having empty seats next to you but rather being the only person in 4 or 5 entire rows.

    3. Re:Littering by jittles · · Score: 1

      As if they had enough problems, now Malaysian Airlines will get fined for littering

      I flew on Malaysian airlines recently and got two empty seats next to me. That hasn't happened on a US plane in a long time.

      Back in 2008, I had an entire 737 all to myself (well there was one other passenger). Flight Attendant told us to sit wherever we wanted and that she wasn't going to do anything but read a book. If we wanted something we were to hit the call button and she would bring us whatever we wanted for free. But just a few weeks ago I had an empty row in economy plus to myself from Houston to San Francisco.

    4. Re:Littering by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >But just a few weeks ago I had an empty row in economy plus to myself from Houston to San Francisco.

      It's a sign of the end of times!

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  14. Error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The main portion of an airliner's wings provides space for fuel tanks, but non of the articulated portions (ailerons, flaps, flaperons, spoilers, slats) have any fuel in them. The part in question which washed-up on shore is an inboard flaperon (a dual-function control surface which can function as a flap and an aileron as required by the flight control system). Like all such parts, it is hollow (to be light-weight) but has no fuel in it and is not even air-tight (if it was air-tight it would burst as the plane rose from seal level to 30K ft in normal flights - it's not designed as a pressure vessel)

    1. Re:Error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The plane rose from seal level to 30K ft in normal flights - it's not designed as a pressure vessel)

      I so want this to become a thing!

  15. Puttin's War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0