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Purism Offers Free (as in Freedom) Laptops (Video)

Purism uses its own OS, PureOS, which is a Debian derivative by way of Ubuntu and other members of the Debian-derivative family, but with no taint of proprietary code. Now imagine all the binaries stripped out of the Linux kernel, making it closer to the FSF ideal of a 100% free operating system than the Linux kernel in use almost everywhere else.

They're still using a proprietary BIOS, but have people working on a Free one. The main thing, though, is that Purism is working to give you all the privacy and freedom they can -- with more coming as they keep working to replace proprietary bits of the OS, BIOS, and hardware drivers with Free Software. Best of all, even if you don't need a new laptop right now, you can download PureOS and run it on any compatible hardware you already own.

77 comments

  1. free as in beer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell is free as in freedom? Freedom of use? Freedom of options? and no, I did not RTFA or WTFV

    1. Re:free as in beer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Purism uses its own OS, PureOS, which is a Debian derivative by way of Ubuntu and other members of the Debian-derivative family, but with no taint of proprietary code.

      But I bet it still has systemd. Dead from the start.

    2. Re:free as in beer? by Narcocide · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Free" as in speech.

    3. Re:free as in beer? by QRDeNameland · · Score: 1

      I just checked the website, and at $1,849 for a middling spec laptop, it must be true that "freedom isn't free."

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    4. Re:free as in beer? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      You must be new around here. Free as in the four freedoms.

    5. Re:free as in beer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      hahaha, not in America where the politically correct left is culling the English language by re-defining almost everything as hate speech. Calling someone an American could be problematic:

      http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=6697

    6. Re:free as in beer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, of course it's true! Freedom costs a buck o'five.

    7. Re:free as in beer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's actually +$25 for it since you are forced to pay $25 for an empty drive bay. There isn't a no added cost option there. I am assuming that's their way of recouping the $25 credit you get from the Librem coupon.

    8. Re:free as in beer? by znrt · · Score: 1

      didn't you watch the comercial? it's *beautiful* freedom, you insensitive clod!

    9. Re:free as in beer? by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      Freedom from porn. No proprietary codecs....

    10. Re:free as in beer? by codeButcher · · Score: 1

      Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.

      Oh wait, it's in my sig.

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      Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
  2. I have one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have one of these. I am confident in knowing that I am free of malware and corporate interests. I am...pure...just like the name says!

    1. Re:I have one by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 0

      Free of apps.. free of distractingly being able to do something constructive on your computer...

    2. Re:I have one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ignorant, troll, or one of those Millennials who think "app" has something to do with running on a phone?

    3. Re:I have one by mattventura · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except for little, unimportant things like the BIOS, HDD/SSD firmware, and probably tons of other internal devices. They'd probably be much better off taking an existing laptop and replacing proprietary firmwares than putting out a completely new laptop with terrible value that isn't even free. Their biggest accomplishment isn't the freedom, it's that they managed to make Macs look cheap.

    4. Re:I have one by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Since it's Debian, one would presumably be able to install SteamOS on it?

  3. Wow I'd love to check this out. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    Flash video?? Too bad... am I wrong or does Slashdot really not support HTML5 video yet?

    1. Re:Wow I'd love to check this out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will have to look soon into why it looks so complicated to actually migrate (or should I say swap) a flash video player to html5. This is still a mystery to me. But maybe it's because I'm not a website developer.

    2. Re:Wow I'd love to check this out. by nullchar · · Score: 1

      It does not look difficult: http://diveintohtml5.info/vide...

    3. Re:Wow I'd love to check this out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their ads seem to support it...

  4. Bad URL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could someone post a valid URL?
    https://purihm/pureos/
    doesn't seem to work.

    1. Re:Bad URL by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      https://puri.sm/pureos/

      Though actually not a lot there.

  5. Yet another Wi-Fi-won't-work distro by xenoc_1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't we already have Trisquel for those who want a "free as in freedom, free as in free from working" distro?

    I know, buy a different laptop. Buy an otherwise totally unnecessary and port-wasting, marginal-power-use-increasing, external adaptor with politically correct firmware, because, freedom.

    Sticking with politically incorrect, it-just-works, Linux Mint.

    Gnu can bite me.

    1. Re:Yet another Wi-Fi-won't-work distro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The wireless card in the laptop is Atheros. The entire lower mac is in hardware in this card, so binary blobs are not needed. Wifi should work fine. Obviously the card can DMA over PCIe to the main memory so it could still compromise the machine.

    2. Re: Yet another Wi-Fi-won't-work distro by xenoc_1 · · Score: 1

      I'm referring to the distro rather than the brand of machine. Alert mentions both. I question why yet another distro is needed when there already are "free as in freedom" ones that are better known and also of the Debian-via-Ubuntu base.

      Given they have this new PureOS distro, I would expect it'll be used on other magic, because freedom. With the usual freedom from Wi-Fi results if the card needs proprietary drivers. We already have enough of those politically correct distros.

    3. Re:Yet another Wi-Fi-won't-work distro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is wrong. All wrong. It's the other way around. The laptops that are depending on the proprietary bits are problematic. The companies behind the drivers eventually discontinue these pieces and you lose support. Often they don't have proper support to begin with because they can't interoperate properly with the mainline kernel. Compare that to Trisquel which makes it abundantly clear what components are likely to be problematic. While that doesn't in and of itself mean there can't be problems it's a good step toward a more stable better supported system.

      I don't use an FSF endorsed distribution, but I do always by free as in freedom software friendly hardware. It's the only way to go if you care about stability, bug fixes, proper support, etc.

    4. Re: Yet another Wi-Fi-won't-work distro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > With the usual freedom from $PROPER_FUNCTIONING results if the card needs proprietary drivers.

      FTFY

      I mean, really. Why would you even say this? Trying to drum up post counts to entice buyers for Slashdot Media?

    5. Re:Yet another Wi-Fi-won't-work distro by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      The wireless card in the laptop is Atheros. The entire lower mac is in hardware in this card, so binary blobs are not needed. Wifi should work fine. Obviously the card can DMA over PCIe to the main memory so it could still compromise the machine.

      Which really makes the whole "freedom" thing kind of a cheat.

      I mean, if I stick RAM on my hardware, and have the driver load that RAM with firmware, it's seen as "non-free" because there's this binary blob on there.

      Yet, if I stick some flash on it, pre-load that at the factory with the same binary blob, it's see as "free" because the driver is open and doesn't have to load a binary blob.

      I can keep the driver and everything else the same - one is seen as "non-free" because the driver has to load a binary blob into hardware, and the other is seen as "free" because it doesn't.

    6. Re:Yet another Wi-Fi-won't-work distro by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I like Mint. It is my favorite current distro. I call it Linux for Retards because, well, it is. You can just install and be done with it on every single configuration I have tried. There is something to be said for that. I also like CentOS lately, but that is a bit bloated.

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    7. Re:Yet another Wi-Fi-won't-work distro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weird naming aside, I see it as totally reasonable in this way:

      If it's on ROM from the factory, one person can analyze it and see that there are no backdoors.

      Everyone else then can be sure that there are no backdoors and there never will be since it can't be updated.

      So I actually prefer cards where the firmware is on ROM since then at least it's not a moving target.

  6. What about free as in free from hardware? by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

    Not even a 'free' BIOS can prevent compromised microcode.

  7. Say "actually" again.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dare you.

  8. More sloppy than normal? by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

    So besides the mild irony of a Flash Video (and I'm sure Flash is not allowed on PureOS) the URL for the OS has both a typo AND a missing period. It's https://puri.sm/pureos/

    And people have shown over and over that Free as in Speech takes a back seat to actually getting things done. I'm glad for the people releasing this, I hope they have fun, but it will be a small circle of people patting each other on the back as everyone else goes to mobile.

  9. systemD ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will PureOS use systemD?

    If it was based on Devuan GNU/Linux rather than Debian SystemD/Linux, then it would be a bit more pure ...

  10. Stop promoting this fraudster! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Todd, the founder of Purism, had defrauded hundreds of people out of hard earned money. He's pulled numerous scams and is STILL bilking people who don't know better out of money. Despite the fact that numerous respectable developers and other leaders in the Linux and free software community pointing this out the message hasn't gotten through. He's a fraud! His claims are nothing more than nonsensical and contradictory. He's a back-peddling thief.

    Todd is what you would call a confidence king. This is where someone convinces you there doing something good and takes your money without delivering on there promises. Purism does not have the Free Software Foundation's endorsement, nor can he get it. There are critical proprietary pieces that can't be freed in modern Intel/AMD computers. Intel is licensing pieces from a third party which it does not have the rights to free.

    The 500 or so computers Todd has arranged to have manufactured is nowhere near enough to get Intel to cooperate. A sales rep does not have the authority to release code and this is the extent of Todds talks with Intel. Google with its millions of Chromebooks has been unable to get this code released. The Coreboot developers have stated this much numerous times:

    http://blogs.coreboot.org/blog/2015/02/23/the-truth-about-purism-why-librem-is-not-the-same-as-libre/

    Despite the claims Todd did not ship the Librem 15 with CoreBoot (which itself isn't free) and if he had it would not have made the laptop any more free as it would merely have been a payload. The reality is the Librem 15 shipped with a stock proprietary AMI BIOS. If it were even possible to free the BIOS Todd would have needed to use LibreBoot. Not CoreBoot.

    He's badmouthing other companies who actually have pushed things forward, specifically ThinkPenguin, Gluglug, and others who have worked with companies to free chipsets, free coreboot, actually begin to design laptops, and not just building off stock reference designs. These companies have actual products out the door which are Respect Your Freedom certified. Something that Todds laptop will never be. It was originally so badly designed that he was including chipsets that only had proprietary graphics driver support. The NVIDIA graphics chip he was including had zero (not even rudimentary) support from the free nouveau driver, not even had he gone with the prior version of the chip!

    Here are some of the stories from leading coreboot developers and other free software activists:

    Purism Librem Laptops Remain Blobbed Up, Less Than Interesting
    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Purism-Librem-Still-Blobbed

    Libreboot exposes the purism librem as fraud
    http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ew6pz/libreboot_exposes_the_purism_librem_as_fraud/

    The truth about Purism: Why Librem is not the same as libre
    http://blogs.coreboot.org/blog/2015/02/23/the-truth-about-purism-why-librem-is-not-the-same-as-libre/

    1. Re:Stop promoting this fraudster! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ah, that explain why they would claim a 32 GB max memory support on a chip (i7-5557U) which only supports 16 GB.
      Oh well.

    2. Re:Stop promoting this fraudster! by Antity-H · · Score: 1

      I dont care all that much about the claims of the laptop being fully "libre" and I understand that a compromised microcode or FSP can compromise the entire PC, I do believe though that the less binary and closed components their are, the less attack vectors are available.
      It may not be perfect but its better than every thing else which is available and it is a step in the right direction. Showing that some buyers DO care about such things demonstrates that a market exists for such machines even at a higher price.
      If this can bring us good laptops which are not riddled by malware from day1 as most windows laptop are today, I say go for it.

      Yes compromised microcode is still bad, puri.sm is supposedly working on a coreboot base for rev2 (they do acknowledge that rev1 shipped with an AMD Bios here : https://puri.sm/posts/librem-1...)
      And yes they are still talking about coreboot instead of libreboot and I haven't had time to read up on what they are and why I should care. They also say that they are working with Intel to free the remaining bits which is laudable at least.

      Regarding the memory, they have provided explanations regarding this exact point in their blog
      "We heard from a backer that Intelligent Memory can run 32GB even though the specification states 16GB! This was corroborated by both PCWorld and our direct contact at Intelligent Memory this morning. We are back to offering 32GB, and will not change the existing orders down to 16GB."
      See https://puri.sm/posts/32gb-is-... for a link to the pcworld bit

      I am monitoring the librem 15 news very closely because on paper this is the laptop I want to buy except I haven't :)
      All the reviews I have been able to find were done using prototypes, I have been unable to find any article on the production hardware for rev1, I have not seen anyone bragging that they had actually recieved their rev1 either. no pictures, no hands-on impressions etc no actual feedback on the build quality from non marketing sources.

      While I don't mind the price for a really good quality laptop, I am unwilling to put it for a machine from a vendor with 0 track record on build quality, delivery, support, etc with no obvious return policy if the laptop doens't meet my standards
      (a situation which is made even worse by my being european and puri.sm being an SF based startup which makes the chances of proper support / return pretty slim.)

    3. Re:Stop promoting this fraudster! by sasparillascott · · Score: 1

      Todd, the founder of Purism, had defrauded hundreds of people out of hard earned money. He's pulled numerous scams and is STILL bilking people who don't know better out of money.

      Seems like quite a personal rant you have there - which might be all true, but how would we know its not just a smear... Any supporting links about his numerous scams?

    4. Re:Stop promoting this fraudster! by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      He feeds idiots who think having an all 'libre' laptop is important. I'm not really seeing a problem with that. He's a poacher of fanboys who can't think critically.

      Both sides win in that deal. The fanboy get to rant on about their Stallman fetishes and Todd gets to part them of their money.

      The way I see it, its a match made in heaven, they deserve each other.

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    5. Re: Stop promoting this fraudster! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you kidding? He posted 3 fucking links supporting his claims. Christ sakes man.

    6. Re:Stop promoting this fraudster! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think your missing the problem. Todd's been lying about these things from the very beginning and cleaning up after he's called on them. He's been very deceitful about things like connections. The FSF has NO relationship with him what-so-ever. I should know. I'm someone in communications with near everybody important in the free software world. He's coming up with explanations for stuff, but they're built off lies. He's got lies on top of lies. There are people working on free software laptops. He isn't one of these people. Why would you trust him to even deliver on *anything*.

    7. Re:Stop promoting this fraudster! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of the people who care about free software are buying this. Go check the Trisquel forums. Or hop on the FSF irc channel. Or hang out in LibreCMC. There are lots of places you can find out for yourself whats really happening. They're people discussing this fraud all over the place. The people he's defrauding are people who don't understand the technical details.

    8. Re: Stop promoting this fraudster! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those laptops are just Clevo rebrands anyway. Compare to System76's Ubuntu default products, namely the Galago.

      http://system76.com

      I'm very skeptical of a company that claims rebranded laptops as their own product.

    9. Re:Stop promoting this fraudster! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thank you, was gonna post this.
      glad you came first

  11. Broken link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pure OS link points to https://purihm/pureos/ which gives me a "Server not found", in the https://puri.sm/ the link goes to https://puri.sm/pureos/

  12. Not a very informed submission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There are a number of distros that eschew everything non-free. The FSF keeps a list: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html. They also have a "Respects Your Freedom" certification (https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom), given to Gluglug (http://shop.gluglug.org.uk/), which uses Libreboot (http://libreboot.org/) to replace the proprietary BIOS.

  13. Laptop for Ideologues by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

    Your views may differ but people that insist on ideological purity in the real world give me the heebeegeebees. They usually produce little aside from atrocities, and nearly 2k for a somewhat lowend laptop sure sounds like that.

    1. Re:Laptop for Ideologues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yuppp.

      What's this laptop good for? Bragging-rights of having a device which matches a silly ideology.
      What's this laptop not good for? Virtually any daily task and problem which has already been solved, but doesn't match the intended ideology.

    2. Re:Laptop for Ideologues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wrong. This laptop has a hardware switch that physically disable the microphone and webcam, and and a second hardware switch to physically disable wifi and bluetooth. That's huge, especially in a time when all webcams no longer have built-in lens covers. That alone makes this laptop better than anything on the market.

    3. Re:Laptop for Ideologues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could just spend two bucks on a roll of black electrical tape. Tough call.

      CAPTCHA: "purist" (I shit you not.)

  14. Mac Envy by twistedcubic · · Score: 1

    Ahh, brushed aluminum laptops. Copying Macs is such a waste of tiem and effort. Almost everybody does this badly. I'm amazed that no one bothers to copy the older, popular Thinkpads, which are no longer available new.

    1. Re:Mac Envy by tylikcat · · Score: 1

      ...and the thinkpad keyboards. And the thinkpad clitmice, with the hard buttons (goodness, that last almost makes me want to use one of the more polite forms of the name...) I looked at this briefly the last time I went shopping, but lack of input options made it seem awfully unattractive for some of my 3d modelling work.

      (So I have two Thinkpads, a w-series for when I'm doing serious simulations and don't mind the weight, and a yoga12 for running around with.)

    2. Re:Mac Envy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Macs are the epitome of style over substance. I want a trackpad with at least two physical buttons, so that I can right-click and left-click with certainly. (If it comes with a third button, so that I can middle-click, then that's even better!) I also want the option of an optical drive. Optical discs are still an important medium for content distribution. (The profitability of Redbox is a testament to this fact.)

      Incidentally, I'm puzzled that it is so difficult to find a laptop under 15 inches that has an optical drive. In 2003 I had a 13 inch laptop with an optical drive. But every year since then, the requirement that I have an optical drive has forced me to purchase larger-and-larger laptops. Why do my laptops have to keep getting larger, while the underlying technology is getting smaller?!??

    3. Re:Mac Envy by jstuxx · · Score: 1

      Because technology is not progressing it is regressing and declining haven't you noticed?

    4. Re:Mac Envy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Optical discs are still an important medium for content distribution.

      Okay, grampa!

    5. Re:Mac Envy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Optical discs are still an important medium for content distribution.

      Okay, grampa!

      There are many reasons why optical discs are still relevant.

      For example, how do you legally watch movies on an open source system that does not support the DRM in most streaming services? What if you have a slow internet connection that makes streaming impractical? How do you store a collection of approximately 200 movies? (Most laptop drives are not large enough to store that much data.) And if you're a serious music collector, old CDs might be the only way to get certain content (including liner notes) in a high-quality format.

  15. Phishing for Naive Freedom Activists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone who knows the most basic thing about how chips firmware and software work will see straight through this so not for the tech crowd right?

  16. Prism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't buy it. Purism and PRISM sounds too much alike to be a coincidence. Nice try NSA...

  17. But will it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Satisfy RMS

  18. PureOS just a re-off of Trisquel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm sick of these bastards ripping us off. Rubén Rodríguez has spent significant amount of time over the years to produce a distribution for which he's gotten little to no credit for and Todd comes in, grabs all this publicity, and it's nothing more than a re-compile with slightly different logos. Just cut it out.

  19. So... this dude needs to "So..." a lot less. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A _lot_ less.

    1. Re:So... this dude needs to "So..." a lot less. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "So" is the "uhh..." of the twenty-tens. A lot of people need to "so" a lot less.

  20. Another piece of OS trash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Purism uses its own OS, PureOS, which is a Debian derivative"

    So it is another piece of GNU/Linux OS trash, greeeaaattt... because you know, we do not have enough of that Linux-based garbage, so we need more.

  21. Free as in freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell does that mean?

    The most common statement about freedom is that "freedom isn't free".

    Can we stop posting links with the titles "free as in beer" and "free as in freedom", both of which aren't free.

    1. Re:Free as in freedom? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      "Free as in freedom" mans you have to pay for it.

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    2. Re:Free as in freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Originally it was "free as in 'free speech', not as in 'free beer'" which somehow got shortened to "free as in speech" and "free as in beer."

      Put it this way: "gratis" means free of charge. That's the meaning people usually assume when you say something is "free," not the meaning "libre."

  22. Does it use systemd? by gweihir · · Score: 1

    I.e. the integrated backdoor and control system desired by the NSA and others?

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    1. Re:Does it use systemd? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Windows 10 backdoor is call security feature.

  23. Why? by morgauxo · · Score: 1

    It's been a while since I used Debian but I remember stock debian installs already pretty much fitting this description. You had to turn on the contrib and non-free apt sources to get anything proprietary. Has this changed?

  24. Free as in systemd up the jaxsy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, it cust money and forces corporate agenda software down you throat... Just what is free about this? That you are free to opt out?

  25. Stupid and useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux is, and always will be, a hobbyist OS. People really need to stop taking shortcuts and just develop their own OS (minuet OS, BeOS, etc.) instead of beating a dead horse. Pure OS is just another sad Linux clone.

  26. way too expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for what amounts to a ginormous ultrabook.

    personally i'd be happier with a better specced sager np7338 or whatever the current model is for $1k

  27. Chromebooks come with firmware source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coreboot / Depthcharge source for Pixel 2015:
      https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/third_party/coreboot/+/firmware-samus-6300.B

    embedded controller source:
      https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master

  28. Global fascism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These guys are a lot of doublespeak; although they proclaim freedom, they appear to be tied into just about every aspect of the global fascist movement.

  29. Purism Road to FSF RYF Endorsement and Beyond... by toddm2n · · Score: 1

    We are working hard to free the lower level, here is our roadmap: https://puri.sm/road-to-fsf-ry... Thanks for all the support so far! You can email me, and I will respond: todd@puri.sm Thanks!

  30. Re:Free PC YAY by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Yes. You should sign up again. It will work this time, for sure. Make sure to complete ALL the offers. *nods*

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    "So long and thanks for all the fish."