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GasBuddy Has a New Privacy Policy (Spoiler: Not As Customer Friendly)

An anonymous reader writes: GasBuddy has been a popular iOS and Android app for the last 5 years used to find the cheapest place to get gas. According to the Google Play store, there are over 10 million installs (in additions to the installs from Apple and Amazon's appstores). Now that they have a large enough number of users, GasBuddy has updated their privacy policy to allow them to collect more information. Some highlights of the privacy policy changes include: only 10 days for new terms to take effect (previously users were given 30 days to review the changes); collection of "signal strength related to Wifi or Bluetooth functionality, temperature, battery level, and similar technical data"; and [a warning that the company] will not honor a web browser's "do not track" setting.

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  1. Is that even worthwhile? by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is it even worthwhile to use an app like that to save a few cents on gas?

    If I have to spend even 5 minutes looking up gas prices and driving out of my way to go to a cheaper gas station, it's not worth saving 30 cents a gallon on gas. My local Costco regularly has 20 minute lines of drivers waiting to buy cheaper gas (though it's possible that one family member is shopping and the other is waiting for gas). If I see a line at my preferred gas station, I'll use the one down the street that I know is 15 cents more expensive.

    Maybe my 11 gallon gas tank just isn't big enough for significant savings, but I really wonder whether these gas price apps are worth it.

    1. Re:Is that even worthwhile? by sims+2 · · Score: 4, Funny
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    2. Re:Is that even worthwhile? by ExXter · · Score: 2

      Actually it is in more ways than the one shown in the little funny comic of the other poster.

      It is not worthwhile if you only go out of the house to refuel your car for half or quarter of a tank and only do a drive for that. Thats stupid.

      It IS worthwhile once you do travels which you do for other purposes than refueling your car.

      My easiest example is Los Angeles. I checked with GasBuddy and saw that at the end of the 10 mile through the city which I had to drive to get to my surfing beach I could save 50 cents per Galon and my tank was in the 'Last 20 miles Area'. So i went there and didn't visit the gas station right around the corner. I saved 12 $ of which I spent 4 $ at the beach later and had actually 8 $ more for food and drinks.

      Even better example is a road trip. Since you can estimate how far you get with your car and remaining fuel you can check ahead and see where you will refuel instead of taking the next best station because you fear to not make it to the next city or its maybe not worth it. My highest savings in this case was a saturdays trip from LA to SF and instead of going for 3.89 $ in the north of LA for Premium, I saved 80 cents per Galon and went for 3.09 in the orange valley. 20 Galons sums up to 16 $ and it was on the way anyway.

    3. Re:Is that even worthwhile? by sims+2 · · Score: 2

      Since they came out with ethanol added gasoline I have found it more important to get ethanol free fuel than get a cheaper price.

      Have you seen what ethanol does when it sits?

      It separates and trashes lawnmowers/chainsaws/weedeaters/generators and anything that goes any length of time between starts.

      What ive noticed is high traffic areas tend to have ethanol added (near walmart) and everywhere else that actually needs the fuel to bring the traffic has ethanol free fuel.

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    4. Re:Is that even worthwhile? by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      Since they came out with ethanol added gasoline I have found it more important to get ethanol free fuel than get a cheaper price.

      Have you seen what ethanol does when it sits?

      It separates and trashes lawnmowers/chainsaws/weedeaters/generators and anything that goes any length of time between starts.

      What ive noticed is high traffic areas tend to have ethanol added (near walmart) and everywhere else that actually needs the fuel to bring the traffic has ethanol free fuel.

      I know exactly what you mean. I went on vacation with my RV and had to go through Texas. In Texas you can't get real gasoline, only what I call "Mazola". After I got back from Texas, my generator stopped working. It would only run if I used my finger to manually force the idler to idle higher. I replaced spark plugs, replaced fuel filter, drained the old fuel which was not even pure Mazola, but a mix of mostly real gas, with some leftover Mazola, put all new fuel, used about two cans of Sea foam, which also seemed to help it run better. Took the carb off and let it soak in carb cleaner, Made sure all the jets were clear. After about 20 hours of work, I was able to get it to run pretty consistently, but it will still occasionally just stop running on long trips, though it usually starts right back up. Basically, the gas permanently ruined the generator, and it is in limp mode.
      I never run any of my lawn equipment on Mazola. I know people who live in Texas who actually make runs up to Oklahoma with dozens of gas cans to buy real gas and take it back to Texas to run their equipment.
      I really can't believe that it is legal to sell E10. At the very least, they need to put a warning not to use it in any sort of small engine and not to use it if the intended motor is going to sit unused for more than a week or two. The stations need to be required to sell real gasoline so that people can purchase it for use in small equipment.

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    5. Re:Is that even worthwhile? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      false economy. My truck gets 15 mpg and costs about $500/yr in maintenance. Payments on a nice, efficient, much less useful car are about $8K/yr, collision on a new car will add about another $1K to my insurance, and add about $800/yr in taxes on a new car v.s. an 20 year old truck. We spend about $2400/yr between the two of us for gas. Assume that $2K of that is my truck (it's not). For $9K a year in new car costs, I can save, maybe, $1K in gas. And, I'll end up with something that is less useful in every way except squeezing into parking spots. It'll be a lot less convenient to go kayaking; loading the truck is merely throwing kayaking stuff in the back, vice deliberately packing the car. Towing a trailer a few times a year will be out. In no way is it better for me to "save money on gas" except for a marginally smaller CO2 footprint.

      If I were driving 40 miles each way like I did in norcal amd gas were $5/gal, then it would be worth considering. However, right now, it's not even close.

    6. Re:Is that even worthwhile? by geckoFeet · · Score: 2

      It's worth it for trips out-of-town where you don't know where the gas stations even are. Or, at least it's worth it for me.

    7. Re:Is that even worthwhile? by hawguy · · Score: 2

      If saving money on gas is important to you, wouldn't you be better off with a smaller can than a large car (or SUV or truck or whatever) that has a 24+ gallon tank?

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      which I had to drive to get to my surfing beach

      Personally I can fit a 9'6" longboard in my Mazda3, but that precludes carrying anyone or much of anything else. Some folks head to the beach with a quiver.

      Why wouldn't you just carry it on the roof rack like everyone seems to do here in their little civics and mini coopers?

      I've seen a Mini Cooper on the way to the beach with 4 boards on top (and presumably 4 people to go with them).

    8. Re:Is that even worthwhile? by kybred · · Score: 2

      There are probably 12 gas stations between my work and home. I can quickly check GasBuddy and see which one is the lowest and stop there without going out of my way. Sometimes my Costco is 10 cents/gal less that the others (usually just after all the other stations have done an increase), but usually the wait there is only a couple of minutes at the most. After prices have stabilized, Costco is usually within a penny or two of the others.

      The other reason GB is handy is if you are traveling and don't know where the stations are. Typically, if you're on the Interstate the stations right at the exits are more expensive than the ones a couple of blocks farther. Of course other apps like Road Ninja are good for that as well.

    9. Re:Is that even worthwhile? by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 2

      It's worth it if you only use it to help you decide where to stop for gas. If you're going out of your way to pay a few cents less per gallon, you're wasting your time.

      I'll use it to see which gas station of my way to work is cheapest. I know I'm stopping for gas anyway, it's just a matter of where. So why not stop at the cheapest one? Again, I'm not going out of my way. Just deciding which of 15 or so gas stations that I will pass by anyway is getting my business.

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  2. It's not just about apps by gweilo8888 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What part of "will not honor a web browser's 'do not track' setting" did you find so difficult to understand?

    1. Re:It's not just about apps by PPH · · Score: 2

      So, what's gas selling for in Anonymous Proxy these days?

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  3. Re:Is that even worthwhile? Serious Question... by willworkforbeer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can someone explain the value of collecting data on battery strength, phone temperature, etc. ?

    Seriously, they must be able to monetize that (why else risk alienating customers) but how?

    What is the monetary value in knowing my phone temp?

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  4. Re:Is that even worthwhile? Serious Question... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everything about you they can get, all day long, as long as the app is running.

    They'll figure out what they can make money off later. Like, do people buy more gas in the winter or summer.

    This is just greedy assholes maximizing both greedy and asshole. And this why I look at apps as basically ads and analytics in disguise, and why I don't feel compelled to have a smart phone with a data plan.

    You can always not play the damned game.

    Me, I want Android to return the ability to selectively turn off stuff that apps can do. If your app keels over because I won't let it access my contacts, I don't want your fucking app.

    I view most apps as about the same as if a retail store demanded the ability to rifle through my wallet before I came in the store, only in the case of apps it's pretty much all the time.

    No thanks.

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  5. Don't update the app, get an older version. by Blinkin1200 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like the app and use it once in a while. The prices near me can be quite different. My local Costco is not so local but usually BJ's or Sams have the cheapest prices. A while back I did an update for GasBuddy and was presented with a huge ad across the middle of the screen in the list view. I usually do not mind ads in the free versions but this was obtrusive.

    As quickly as I had updates the app, it was uninstalled. I then went to the Amazon App store and installed an older version, much older, and it was better, much better! Knowing there is a big obtrusive advertisement in the update / upgrade, I see no reason the make any changes. The older version is running fine on both a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 (Kit Kat?), and a Samsung Galaxy S4 running Lollipop.

    If you don't like the Play Store app, get the one from Amazon, then ignore the reminders to update the app.

  6. Re: It's more worth it for premium by Spamalope · · Score: 2

    just use regular!

    You need enough octane to prevent pre-ignition. If your engine is high compression, you need a higher octane. Turbo and Supercharged cars need higher octane. You only need 'enough', but that varies with air temperature, engine load and the exact fuel formula.

  7. Re:Is that even worthwhile? Serious Question... by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2

    Seriously, they must be able to monetize that (why else risk alienating customers) but how?

    Isn't it possible that these features are needed to help the app work better? If your phone is running hot and low on battery maybe it'll update its map less frequently.

  8. Re: It's more worth it for premium by konohitowa · · Score: 3, Informative

    Many (most?) modern engines have knock detectors in them. If they are expecting higher octane fuel and you use something lower than specified, they retard the timing significantly to try to prevent pre-ignition. This results in a significant drop in power as well as mileage. The end result is that you'll pay more for the regular in loss of efficiency than you will save in cash. On my 1996 328i, the drop was ~20% in mileage (had a two week fuel shortage and couldn't get premium and I was pretty anal about tracking my mileage at that time). Premium isn't 20% more in cost (at least where I live it isn't). Add in the time spent making more frequent fuel stops and the potential for engine damage, and it's a money loser. Basically, follow the manufacturer's recommendations.