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Ask Slashdot: Can You Disable Windows 10's Privacy-Invading Features?

An anonymous reader writes: I really want to upgrade to Windows 10, but have begun seeing stories come out about the new Terms and how they affect your privacy. It looks like the default Windows 10 system puts copies of your data out on the "cloud", gives your passwords out, and targets advertising to you. The main reason I am looking to upgrade is that Bitlocker is not available on Windows 7 Pro, but is on Windows 10 Pro, and Microsoft no longer offers Anytime Upgrades to Windows 7 Ultimate. However, I don't want to give away my privacy for security. The other option is to wait until October to see what the Windows 10 Enterprise version offers, but it may not be available through retail. Are the privacy minded Slashdot readers not going with Windows 10?

For reference, I am referring to these articles.
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  1. RTFA? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Informative

    Did you even read the articles that you've linked to? They talk about privacy issues with default settings (that is, "Express" install). If you're a regular member of the Slashdot audience, you will certainly pick "Customize" during installation anyway, and you'll get individual switches for all these things combined on the very first screen that you'll see after that, from advertising ID to Cortana. Just disable it all, and you're good to go. For bonus points, use a local user account rather than Microsoft ID.

    1. Re:RTFA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Settings -> Privacy, under the "Diagnostics and Usage Data" header: "Send your device data to Microsoft". Default is "Enhanced", there are also choices for "Basic" and "Full (Recommended)". See the definitions under the fourth bullet on http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/feedback-diagnostics-privacy-faq

      Don't see any way to disable it. Of course this may not really be a Windows 10-specific issue since they slipped a "Diagnostic Tracking Service" into previous versions (such as Win7) through Windows Update earlier this year.

    2. Re:RTFA? by E-Rock · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not sure if none is in the GUI, but it is in Group Policy. Telemetry None is an enterprise edition only setting.

    3. Re:RTFA? by davester666 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes. Except you can't turn it off. If you aren't running Enterprise or Server versions, when you set it to '0', the text basically says "fuck you, we are still taking your private data".

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  2. Yes by Karmashock · · Score: 3, Informative

    1. You don't set up a live account. That shuts down most of it.
    2. Change the host file to redirect most of the bad domains to localhost.
    3. There are going to be endless registry hacks to turn things off or change the way they work.
    4. programs are going to be released that change things or replace features with something else that does the same thing but is open source etc.

    Basically yes.

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  3. Yes, easily by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can disable all this stuff easily.

    1. When installing you are asked if you want the default settings. Select custom settings and turn everything off. Things like Cortana that rely on having data about you won't work, of course.

    2. Open the Windows Update settings and go into the options. Disable downloading updates from other machines on the internet. You might want to leave the option to get updates from other machines on your LAN enabled though, to save bandwidth.

    If anyone is any doubt that you can disable all the "spying" stuff, consider that enterprise users would demand it or simply refuse to use Windows 10.

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    1. Re:Yes, easily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can only disable them in Enterprise, not Pro or Home, and the workarounds needed for the non-corpHOrate versions are nontrivial.

      This is your actual guide (for now, until M$ patches their shit)

      https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3f38ed/guide_how_to_disable_data_logging_in_w10

      With some comments here that are useful:
      https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/3f10k0/things_to_removedisable_in_windows_10/
      https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/31rxsv/disable_keylogger_windows_10/

      Frankly, this is such a cluster fuck that "Install Linux, Problem Solved" is kind of applicable. I get that it's not at all the answer everyone wants- they want the powers that you can get in the corporate version only, such as "not being spied on", "can disable telemetry", "don't push local files and file data to Microsoft", etc.- but these are the technical workarounds that work for now. Unless there's a serious push against M$, this shit is going to be permanent- for proof of that, look at how wild and ludicrous the stuff you agreed to in the EULA was, including every keystroke you press, every file you open, every program you run, who you call and for how long, where you are, and every other thing. You essentially legally agreed to a full fledged keylogger and backorifice installation, and even if you can turn it off, until that EULA is fixed, the problem is real.

  4. Is this any different from Google or Apple? by skepsis · · Score: 3, Informative

    In order to use Siri on the iPhone, or Google Home on Android, you have to give up the same information that Microsoft is now requesting with Windows 10.

    You can turn off most if not all of the settings, but you loose some of the functionality. It's up to each user to find the "right spot" in this balance.

  5. Re:Installer allows you to customize your settings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Insert at the top of your list, renumber if desired: 0. When the installer gives you the opportunity to customize your setting do so, disable whatever you care too.

    -1: When even gpedit.msc (group policy editor)'s documented behavior for turning off the submission of potentially information-leaking reports to Microsoft is "0 (send no data): Equivalent to '1' (basic) on non-Enterprise systems", you cannot disable everything you want to.

    -2: When users suggest removing the files associated with Diagnostic/Tracking/Telemetry servies, note that...

    -3: ...on non-Enterprise systems, you cannot disable the forced updates. You can delay them on Pro, but not forever. So eventually, those files are going to find their way back on your system eventually...

    -4: ...if they don't get put back immediately because Windows Defender (which also cannot be disabled except temporarily, and then it automatically turns itself back on) could trivially be programmed to categorize user attempts to delete the offending services as "malware" and restore them by itself.

    If you consider error reporting noninvasive and automatic upgrade checks non-leaky and of acceptable risk to system stability, you can turn off the offensive stuff in Win10 Pro.

    If your requirement is to eliminate error reporting and an at-all-times active antivirus product, then no, it is not possible to turn off the privacy-invading features of Windows 10.

    FWIW I will not be upgrading. Even the most basic error reporting like "POWERPOINT.EXE crashed while editing GOOGLE-HOSTILE-TAKEOVER-MICROSOFT.PPT" is unacceptable in financial circles, and the HIPAA laws are even more draconian. Windows 10 is no longer a general purpose computing platform.

  6. Re: Sure you can. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    That makes *zero* difference. The base OS itself is useless for most professional work. Basically, almost everything we use for CAD, Adobe apps (design, photography, prepress, etc), good ol' MS Office, financial software, medical software, supply chain management software, various piece of lab equipment or machinery and hundreds more fields and usages is Windows-only. Even for games there is no real alternative. Linux won't EVER be a mainstream desktop OS because it doesn't run most of the software people need. It's as simple as that.

  7. Re: Sure you can. by dk20 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Excessive fragmentation is one of the unfortunate issues with Linux.
    The odd thing is if they collapsed some of the projects and spent that dev time on a handful of distro's they could really improve things. Instead you have a bunch of very talented people spinning yet another 'fork'.

    Flip side, I am a big LINUX fan (but not a zealot, Windows has its place).

    I converted all three of my kids over from windows several years ago due to having to fix their issues too often (browser hijacks, etc).
    They were given a choice between Mint and Ubuntu (two went with Ubuntu, the third Mint). At first they were hesitant but after all the time spent dealing with windows issues (including the almost-daily updates needing a restart) they gave in.

    One time our youngest had formatting issues with a powerpoint in libreoffice so the option came up to move back to windows and she refused.
    The only windows PC left in the house is my wife's and she refuses to move over she's not into technology and needs the chinese IME which she knows how to work under windows.

    It is far easier to drop in a Linux DVD and restart after like 15 mins with a working system (including office package) then installing windows, the drivers, the apps (probably spending the better part of an afternoon on the install).

    YMMV (Your mileage may vary) but i have had pretty good luck with the 5 Linux machines (two ubuntu, 3 mint) in my house.