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Sociologist: Job Insecurity Is the New Normal

Mr.Intel writes: Allison Pugh, professor of Sociology at University of Virginia, and author of The Tumbleweed Society: Working and Caring in an Age of Insecurity, says workers in the U.S. are caught up in a "one-way honor system," in which workers are beholden to employers. She says that the golden era when Americans could get a job, keep it, and expect to retire with an adequate pension are over. JP Morgan Chase has cut 20,000 from its workforce in the past 5 years, last year HP cut 34,000 jobs, and many others have announced layoffs. In this interview Pugh talks about the social effects of this "insecurity culture."

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  1. Insecurity culture.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about a blast from the past.. "within the capitalist system all methods for raising the social productiveness of labour are brought about at the cost of the individual labourer; all means for the development of production transform themselves into means of domination over, and exploitation of, the producers; they mutilate the labourer into a fragment of a man, degrade him to the level of an appendage of a machine, destroy every remnant of charm in his work and turn it into a hated toil; they estrange from him the intellectual potentialities of the labour process in the same proportion as science is incorporated in it as an independent power; they distort the conditions under which he works, subject him during the labour process to a despotism the more hateful for its meanness; they transform his life-time into working-time, and drag his wife and child beneath the wheels of the Juggernaut of capital."

      Karl Marx, Capital, Vol 1: A Critical Analysis of Capitalist Production

    1. Re:Insecurity culture.... by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, it is called 'Enhancing Shareholder Value' these days

      The current variation on the theme involves identifying employees that are owed pensions, converting said pensions (long term debt held by the Company) into 401k's, owned by the employee (at a rate below what the pension should have paid out at), then removing the employee from their position while replacing them with contract labor

      This looks really great on the balance sheet, but faces long-term viability as companies face loss of job knowledge and higher long-term contracting costs, that outweigh the fudged numbers they used to make the idea look feasible. Unfortunately, the ass-hats that come up with these ideas usually get bonuses and leave their positions before the shit hits the fans and shareholders are left holding the bag of a broken company and out of control contracting fees

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    2. Re:Insecurity culture.... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think it's just the companies that have changed though, it's the market the companies live in. Before there were plenty of fairly sheltered waters, where you were competing with the shop down the street but it was obvious the town needed a shop like yours. Weathering the bad times was possibly more a game of attrition than truly caring for the workers. Today it's all about globalization and open markets with huge waves like on the open ocean.

      Jobs are washed away and probably never coming back, the large multinationals that have caught the huge global waves make tons of money while the small local or regional businesses get crushed. I don't think they have a choice anymore, really. That is to say, I think companies that tried this "cradle to grave" approach to employment would be crushed by the markets. And the ones who are big enough to have a choice, well they're stockholder driven and don't have any particular allegiance to anyone so they'll just squeeze out all the profit they can.

      On the bright side, they can't really carry on this race to the bottom without actually pulling people out of the gutter. China and India has seen wages and living standards increase considerably, as they chase new cheap labor that in itself becomes a scarce resource to be competed for. That will cut into the profitability of outsourcing, of course balanced by your pay not being worth as much abroad. Because they make decent money now too.

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    3. Re:Insecurity culture.... by NicBenjamin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Americans are so predictable. Somebody complains some ridiculously intricate policy set up by the US Congress is too complicated for people who, unlike members of the US Congress, are not upper-middle-class Anglos, and they say a) it's their own damn fault for not being upper-middle-class Anglos, and b) we need to reform the education system.

      Well, my fine upper-middle-class friend, everyone has to use the retirement system. It is not an option. Legal Mexicans, illegal Mexicans, people who are actually mentally handicapped, your mother, everyone. This implies that a system designed with 8 different plan types (IRA, 401k, 403b, and 457; all of which also come in Roth varieties), most of which I cannot quite articulate the difference between despite having an 8-hour class on the tax implications of individual retirement accounts this Saturday, is probably too damn complex.

      As for the education system, these guys are Baby Boomers. 401ks were not legalized until '78, and not "discovered" by the private sector until 1980. They were out of the school system before the rules existed. Relying on shit people learn when they're 17 to guide their retirement decisions when they're 67 is not a terribly wise plan.

    4. Re:Insecurity culture.... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's got worse as companies got larger and the people at the top more separated from the people at the bottom. In a company of 30 people, the boss having to let five people go means speaking to them personally and experiencing the reaction of the other staff. In a company of 300,000 people an exec decided to get rid of 5,000 people in another town and delegates the job to a subordinate, never even meeting those people once.

      It's enabled managers to avoid that unfortunate human trait of compassion, feeing them to make hard nosed business decisions where employees are just another resource. The reason Japanese companies last so long is that the managers, no matter how high up, feel personally responsible when they have to make people redundant, like it's a personal failure and something they should apologise for. In the west they feel the opposite - it's a triumph, money was saved and the business streamlined, and they deserve a fat bonus.

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    5. Re:Insecurity culture.... by dywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You ain't supposed to read the damn thing!

      You're just supposed to thump it, while telling others what to do!

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    6. Re:Insecurity culture.... by war4peace · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Reading a text in a godly way isn't hard to do either... if you're Morgan Freeman.
      Building a complex dashboard in OBIEE isn't hard to do... from my point of view.
      Developing a dynamic website is also not hard... for someone out there. For me, it's impossible.
      Every thing that's simple to someone might be complicated for someone else. Now, we're talking about a thing that might drive you into (or literally under) the ground financially speaking if done wrong. There should be no room for mistake. If there is, of if the retirement plans are too complicated for more than 1% of population, then it should be simplified/redesigned/reformed/whatever.

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  2. Unions by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not a surprise really. Right now, unless you happen to live in one of the few states where companies are required to offer you more than simply at-will employment, or you're one of the few people still in a union, you pretty much have few protections against the company deciding to fire you tomorrow, whether in the name of downsizing, outsourcing, or just deciding that they don't want to pay someone with your level of experience instead of getting some fresh undergrad desperate to pay off student loans who'll work for a fraction of your salary.

    And yes, as much as people decry unions, and the abuses that comes with unions, that's your answer in terms of balancing the power. One person alone just doesn't have the power, unless they're being hired for an executive/C-level position. Can unions abuse their power? Absolutely, so stay involved, vote in your union elections, make sure your union reps are doing their jobs. It's sometimes easier said than done, but it can be better than the alternative. That's what we had to do the last time things were like this, roughly 100 years or so ago.

    1. Re:Unions by tomhath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yea, because the steel workers protected their jobs...oh wait, the steel industry is gone. Well there's the auto industry, unions did a fine job running them into bankruptcy.

      but it can be better than the alternative.

      You think there's only one alternative? I think there are several. First, forget about pensions; 401k plans are much better and have replaced them for most workers. Second, plan on having something you can offer to employers besides the threat of a revolution or strike; good workers can find good jobs.

    2. Re:Unions by khasim · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Second, plan on having something you can offer to employers besides the threat of a revolution or strike; good workers can find good jobs.

      Anything you can do can be taught to someone else willing to work for less.

      Have you so soon forgotten Disney's attempt to replace their techs?
      http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-disney-technology-h1b-20150617-story.html

      Seems that the only thing that stopped that was the publicity it got once the techs started complaining.

    3. Re:Unions by misexistentialist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Instead of spending millions lobbying why don't the unions start worker-owned companies? Because they can't cease making demands of "capitalists" anymore than a flea can jump off a plump dog

  3. Sure, if you have no talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    The people with unique skills can job hop all they want, collecting big pay bumps as they go. Works both ways. If you do just enough to get by, then yeah, you're always going to be worried your job won't be there, and that you can't compete with people who are always improving.

  4. Re:And it all comes down to greed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Consumers want more product for less money: Greedy.

    I did NOT ask my employer to ship my job overseas. I did NOT ask that they move the division overseas. I did NOT ask to train some Chinese guy about what a pointers and basic programming - let alone dipshit CS topics - because employers are ALL liars when they say they cannot get qualified workers. Liars. Period. There are NO exceptions.

    This consumer wants to keep his AMERICAN made good stuff but is stuck with Chinese made crap - and it's all crap - because my I cannot afford more. Thanks in part to my education loans. CS degrees are NOT a guarantee to a decent life.

  5. Re:And it all comes down to greed by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When were those conditions NOT true?

    Answer, never. It's something more. Perhaps the level of greed increased somewhere, perhaps the short term consequences for taking it too far diminished.Perhaps someone gained disproportionate control of the government.

    So let's see here, OH, it looks like corporate profits are at an 85 year high and wages are at a 65 year low!

    Hrmm, where DID that wealth go?!?

  6. Crony Capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The big corporations have bought enough presidents and members of congress (in BOTH parties) who allow them to violate the rules of the marketplace. We no longer live in the American free market place, we live in a split economy run by cronies. The average person lives in the consumer half, foreign workers live in the producer half, and the big corporations, investor class, and politicians live astride those two halves (enjoying the benefits of each half and dodging the downsides of each half). This is absolutely NOT free market capitalism.

    These corporations demand all the protections of the American marketplace (including things like large consistent marketplace, a stable legal system, stable banking system, intellectual property laws that are actually enforced, and more) but then when the natural laws of supply and demand would hurt them (in labor costs) they ship work out of that market or import cheaper workers into it thereby escaping the rules of the marketplace. BOTH parties let them do it in exchange for "campaign contributions".

    Do not vote "R" or "D". Vote for the individual, of whatever party and stop letting them destroy the middle class by using "wedge issues" to distract you. They want you to vote R or D to "protect choice" or to "stop abortion", or to "protect marriage equality" or to "preserve traditional marriage" but the reality is that these things are all being decided by judges in courts and the politicians on both sides have no intention of solving any of them (solving them would remove the issue and eliminate a tool for motivating the party base). What is CERTAIN, however, is that most of these politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle will do whatever the wall st investment bankers who fund their campaigns tell them to do (i.e. continue the destruction of the middle class). There is a reason why the establishment candidates of BOTH parties ("->Hillary" and "Jeb!") share so many Wall St banker backers.

  7. Re:And it all comes down to greed by thesupraman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That would have been true about 15 years ago.

    These days you seem to have forgotten that most of the truly physically productive jobs have already been outsourced to other countries (China, Mexico, etc), and you are now sliding down the slippery slope of those countries refining their ownership, capital, and trade situations to take advantage of this.

    Japan was once the 'cheap labor' for the US.... and yet people never seem to see a trend.

    My only suggestion? Stop damn well following the crowd and consuming every little luxury you can convince yourself you deserve on credit!
    Learn a practical skill or three (and no, manipulating office politics is not a practical skill).
    Live somewhere that is sustainable n what you can actually contribute.
    Take a walk in a park on a nice day and revel in the fact that you are alive.. and that doesnt actually cost (well, much).
    Oh, and perhaps treat your friends/family with due care and respect, because when shit happens - everyone needs some support.

    Oh, sorry, not in line with the American Dream? oh well, good lucky with that.

  8. Re:And it all comes down to greed by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, well funny you should mention that. Germany, Sweden, Norway, Finland all have mixed socialist/capitalist models using whatever works to solve actual problems.

    For instance, UBER is a great capitalist solution to the problem of transportation, requiring no new infrastructure. Eventually some regulation will be required to make it safer, but it's a great working solution.

    Health care would benefit from this approach too. If health care providers were legally required to post all prices up front (regulation) and the import of foreign drugs and insurance was legal (deregulation), you'd have a combination of government action and market forces that would go a long way to solving the health care mess and keeping a lid on prices.

    A simplistic, "Rah, rah, free market capitalism" approach eventually leads to Somalia. An all regulation approach takes you to North Korea. Take your pick. In both cases, evil lives at the extremes.

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  9. employees have no loyalty either by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1, Insightful

    says workers in the U.S. are caught up in a "one-way honor system," in which workers are beholden to employers.

    The idea that US workers are "beholden" to employers is ridiculous; it isn't company loyalty that keeps employees with the same employer, it's the cost and difficulty of changing jobs. A big part of why it is so costly and difficult to change jobs is government regulations and government-mandated benefits.

  10. Zero-way honor systems ... by MacTO · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know if this is representative, but I've found that employees who are treated as disposable often treat their jobs at disposable. In other words, job hopping is often at the employee's initiative. They are ready to look for new work the minute their old job feels a bit more insecure, and are ready to jump at a new job if they are offered new benefits. Note that I said benefits, not security. It is assumed that job security does not exist so it is not something that is worthwhile seeking.

    The sad thing is that it hurts employers as much as it hurts employees. It costs money to look for new employees. It costs money to vet new employees. It costs money to train new employees. It costs money to terminate employees or have employees resign. It also costs money in lost productivity in the intervening period. It also adds a great deal of risk, since there is no guarantee that the new employee will be of any value or, if they are of value, that they will be a good fit. Yet a lot of businesses don't seem to realize the impact on the bottom line because churn is not broken out when the accounting is done. Rather, it is a bunch of different expenses that fall in different categories -- if they are even recognized as expenses to start with.

  11. Re:And it all comes down to greed by Noah+Haders · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you bought that foreign car, you voted with your money that auto workers in that country are better than domestic ones.

    a lot of fords and chevys are made in mexico, and a lot of foreign brands are made in US. careful when you fling your jingoistic mud.

  12. Troll by p51d007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh goodie, someone spouting Karl Marx. What's next? Lennin, Stalin, Mao, Obama? I'll take my chances with free market capitalism over socialism ANY DAY. Name one country, where the people have moved UP in life, that runs under socialism. China doesn't count because the MAJORITY of it's citizens don't live in Hong Kong or Peking (Beijing).

    1. Re:Troll by dryeo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The Soviet Union (things were really bad for the average person in Czarist Russia).
      Cuba is another example. Compare to the capitalist Haiti or mafia run Cuba.
      Of course both above examples would have done much better to allow a mix of capitalism at some point.

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    2. Re:Troll by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Norway

      So the secret to prosperity is to have a small, homogeneous population, and lots of offshore oil.

    3. Re:Troll by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      GP said, " Name one country, where the people have moved UP in life, that runs under socialism"

      My post accomplished that, simply raising the bar in order to try and prove some other point that the answer was not intended for is just an exercise in public masturbation

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    4. Re:Troll by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do not confuse Stalinism or Maoism with socialism, those first two where strictly police states with the masquerade of what ever political system they were pretending to be. This being no different to Nazism.

      So want to see socialism, first the psychopaths have to go, quite simply they will corrupt any ism they are a part of, attempt to turn it into an authoritarian state where they have control and can dominate and exploit the citizens of that society.

      Socialism is the system that the majority of people were born into, the family unit, a socialist government is basically about expanding the socialism of the family unit into the greater community to gain the all to obvious outcomes, a caring and sharing society of human beings and the extended family concept.

      The 'Free Market' is straight up marketing lie because it is wholly and totally dependent upon nothing in that market ever being Free, everything 'owned' and 'controlled', so that those with the most can control and exploit those with the least. With everything that can be owned being owned, including all of the essentials to life, so that denial of life becomes the tool of exploitation of the not free at all market place of human lives.

      Either we shift to socialism or die as a species, that is the choice, suck it up.

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    5. Re:Troll by martas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, we mustn't heed Karl Marx's analysis of the problems of capitalism, because his proposed solution has never been successfully implemented? Does that also mean we should disregard Dr. Robert Gallo's discovery of the HIV virus, because it has not been cured yet?

    6. Re:Troll by skam240 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      See the thing is, it's not a choice between extremes. In fact we have socialist institutions right here in the US that are incredibly popular.

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    7. Re:Troll by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All nations living under the aegis of the Pax Americana.

      Ten million Russian soldiers died fighting in WWII. You could also say those countries are living under Pax Russiana.

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    8. Re:Troll by khallow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So want to see socialism, first the psychopaths have to go, quite simply they will corrupt any ism they are a part of, attempt to turn it into an authoritarian state where they have control and can dominate and exploit the citizens of that society.

      The problem here is that your so-called "psychopaths" are normal humans exhibiting normal human behavior. That's the thing about capitalism and markets, you don't need to get rid of normal human behavior in order for them to work well.

      The 'Free Market' is straight up marketing lie because it is wholly and totally dependent upon nothing in that market ever being Free, everything 'owned' and 'controlled', so that those with the most can control and exploit those with the least. With everything that can be owned being owned, including all of the essentials to life, so that denial of life becomes the tool of exploitation of the not free at all market place of human lives.

      You don't even know what a market is. It's not some magic controlling beast, it is merely an avenue for trade - trade which you don't have to participate in.

    9. Re:Troll by pesho · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've been to Soviet Russia (Stalingrad (now St. Petersberg)) and lived in it personally, first hand.` Have you? I agree with the poster who said he'd take free market capitalism over socialism ANY DAY.

      And I having been to Leningrad (now St. PetersbUrg) call bullshit on your post. Not only you haven't lived there but you are off by 1000 miles in your geography. I also doubt that you are old enough to have actually lived in Stalingrad and being able to tell about it on Slashdot. Stalingrad was renamed to Volgograd back in 1961. You can say anything about USSR, but they made damn sure they taught their geography and history at school. There is no way for somebody who has lived in USSR to mix Leningrad with Stalingrad. So stop trolling please.

    10. Re:Troll by martas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The difference is that Dr. Gallo both never claimed to have a cure and never had that cure fail repeatedly and spectacularly in the real world.

      Again, what does the cure have to do with the critique? Had Dr. Gallo proposed a cure that was shown not to work, would you be barebacking Nigerian prostitutes?

      The obvious rebuttal is that the premises are false. For example, labor unions are a typical social construct in capitalism that doesn't result in the claimed consequences.

      I don't even know how to begin responding to this. Labor unions grew out of socialist movements in order to organize workers against capitalist forces. In the analogy, claiming that labor unions somehow disprove Marx's observations regarding capitalism is like claiming that condoms disprove AIDS. And that's without even mentioning the fact that Marx would have been very much pro-union, despite your claim of "the abject failure of Marx's solutions". It's just that he knew capitalist forces would continuously fight to erode the power of workers, even unionized ones, which, again, is exactly what's happened in the US from the 70's onward.

      Or consider job search engines. Are workers worse off because the hiring process has been improved a bit? Are we, workers worse off due to technological improvements to worker productivity like computers or air conditioning?

      You can certainly cherry pick examples of technological improvements which seem to have benefited workers (though in the case of hiring practices, I'd argue most recent changes have been horrible for workers), but that's not what the quote is about. The claim in the quote is that the more industrialized production becomes, the less the power of the worker, and the larger the alienation of the worker from the fruits of their labor. The massive increase in prevalence of high turnover, low-wage, low-skill jobs in the US over the last several decades is stark evidence that what Marx was talking about is still happening to this day. This isn't some sort of hypothetical, many people can see that this is happening and it's being discussed heavily in society, especially since the recession. Hell, the very article whose comment section we're in right now is about this!

    11. Re: Troll by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's easy to retreat to a True Scotsman argument, but when it comes to political and economic systems there are very few examples of any ideology being completely applied. Not capitalism, not communism, not socialism. Most countries have a blend of several parts of different ideas. Claiming that the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is a shining example of socialism is about as accurate as claiming that the Democratic Republic of Congo is a shining example of a democratic republic. They may have the word in their name, but that's about it. Even the USA makes more use of Marxist ideas than the USSR did for most of its existence.

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  13. Re:And it all comes down to greed by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let me guess, no kids?

  14. Re:And it all comes down to greed by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That same worn out tune has been playing since Reagan and it has only made matters worse for people year by year.

    The greedy poor man holding them billionaires down just because he thinks he has a right to eat or something after putting in a 10 hour day. And not even a shred of evidence to back it.

  15. Re:And it all comes down to greed by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fact that "corporate profits" are a higher percentage of GDP, a prioriy, only means that more private businesses are organized as corporations, hardly a big problem.

    More than forty percent of all workers in the US are making less than $15/hr.

    The claim that "the statutory top corporate tax rate in the United States is 35 percent" is a half-truth, because the effective corporate tax rate in the US is actually closer to 50%, one of the highest in the world.

    That is some happy American Enterprise Institute horseshit. The real, effective corporate tax rate in the US is less than 13%:

    http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/0...

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  16. Re:And it all comes down to greed by thesupraman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And big debts.. Or those hard working parents 'helped'.
    people have come to misunderstand the term 'own' these days..

  17. Re:New norm?? by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Taco,
    I understand you come from a different angle on this whole 'merica thing.
    For a large portion of the population, for the years from say 1950 until the late 1980's it was totally normal to get a job out of high school, to join a union associate with that job and to work that job until retirement, with a decent pension. This was not unusual for white collar (professional, non-union) positions either.

    Just how common this was started to trend downward through the 1990's, both in the union trades (which were decimated as legacy companies failed to keep up with quality and production) and in white collar positions as eager workers from overseas (familiar?) hit the job market and demonstrated their capabilities and lack of expectation of a life-long position with a pension.

    Some upper executives made the mistake of believing that all over-seas applicants where as capable or enthusiastic as the first (and second, third) wave of fresh minds that hit the job market, when in fact they were the upper percent of a percent of their nation's respective bell curves, and started making plans to pitch their local workers under the bus in hopes of bringing on endless droves of freakin braniacs who would have no expectation of wages or benefits that native workers would expect

    From my stand-point (my father had the same employer for 40+ years, I have had one employer that I was at for more than a decade, with most lasting less than five years) there are trade-offs between seeking long term employees vs 'contract' work. Long-term employees can benefit a company by providing deep knowledge of the organization and may benefit projects by understanding how thet fit in to the ethos of the culture. They can also be horrible lard-asses who want to ride on the coat-tails of the few employees who want to trailblaze and develop new markets.

    Similarly, contract labor, outsourcing companies, etc can provide incredible new opportunities to existing companies and drive them into new markets. They can also become a persistent crutch that cost tons of money and take all of their knowledge with them when they leave, letting the companies wither and die like hollowed husks who have no capability to stand on their own.

    In truth, black and white gets us no-where and in order to be successful companies will need to leverage whip-smart contract labor, while building capable internal teams to support their efforts after they have been sent off to their next world-building exercise. Maybe the 'stability' from 1950 to 1980 was the real 'aberration' and the constant changes driven by an influx of new workers is the real American norm

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  18. UBER is not even close to that by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Uber only works when there are lots of drivers who used to have good jobs or who had family that had good jobs. That's because the $15/hr that Uber drivers max out at (if you account for gas & maintenance) isn't enough to buy a new car when the old one starts falling about at 200k miles. Maybe in a country w/o safety regulations, professional drivers insurance and emission standards Uber could work. But again, it all falls apart as soon as Uber stops externalizing it's costs onto either the driver, their family or society at large.

    Uber isn't a solution. It's a symptom of a very diseased and dysfunctional system that'll eventually collapse in on itself.

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  19. Re: New norm?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wrong. The effects you described are not and should not be taken as normal. Why? Because we the people want an economy that serves us, NOT the other way around. That's the whole point of unions, in fact--to make sure that workers get a decent share of the wealth they produce.

    What happened in the 80s and 90s was a fairly massive right wing media war on worker propaganda initiative, one sided 'free trade' deals, and of course massive corporate deregulation. Combine that with the huge rise in home equity loans people used to maintain their lifestyles in the face of falling incomes, tax cuts for the wealthy resulting in benefit cuts for all, and corporations being permitted to raid pension funds in fake bankruptcy proceedings while buying laws preventing you from discharging credit card and student loan debt and doing nothing about medical costs (the number 1 by far since of bankruptcy in the US).

    This is how you get our economy today. It was deliberate, it was to benefit the few, and it is not normal except if you define normal the way the corporate propaganda media does.

  20. Re:Not a one-way system by sabbede · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think that "golden era" ran from the late 1940's to the '70's. From the end of WWII, until the rest of the developed world rebuilt their industrial bases, infrastructures and populations. That generation where we had no industrial competition.