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Research Scientists To Use Network Much Faster Than Internet

nickweller writes with this story from the Times about the Pacific Research Platform, an ultra-high-speed fiber-optic research infrastructure that will link together dozens of top research institutions. The National Science Foundation has just awarded a five-year $5 million dollar grant for the project. The story reports:The network is meant to keep pace with the vast acceleration of data collection in fields such as physics, astronomy and genetics. It will not be directly connected to the Internet, but will make it possible to move data at speeds of 10 gigabits to 100 gigabits among 10 University of California campuses and 10 other universities and research institutions in several states, tens or hundreds of times faster than is typical now.

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  1. Canada did it first by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Canada did it first, And it's country-wide. It can also do speeds as high as 100 Gbit/s but generally operated at 10 Gbit/s.

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  2. Re:More porn... by John+Allsup · · Score: 2

    Basically, they've decided that they need to be prepared for the widespread availability of 8K screens across campuses, and the practicality of 5000 simultaneous 8K streams.

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  3. Pointless article by 3.14159265 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's Sunday night, so let's be picky:
    1) 10 or 100 gigabits is not a measure of speed.
    2) the "current" internet could very well exhibit the same capabilities if it didn't have to carry all the porn streaming left and right for millions of clients. A conventional network connection rated at xxx could run at that rate if you didn't have any sort of congestion, something this new network will likely not suffer because it doesn't have porn (yet). Any dedicated link will give you that. Heck, any 100Gb/s optical channel will give you 100Gb/s to play with.
    3) "designed with hardware security features to protect it from the attacks" from the "internet" - by not having a direct connection to the internet in the first place? Fancy words, but it'll do.
    4) $5 million to weave a cluster of fibers? Sounds too cheap.

    Finally, the article says that "the new network will also serve as a model for future computer networks", but doesn't say anything about protocols, routing, etc. Nothing.

    1. Re: Pointless article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's true. This is all BS. The internet is built on the same tech, it just has to service a lot more than ~20 locations. The internet in Japan has been at these speeds for a while.
      This is some Ministry of Truth shit I think. Some kind of brainwashing to make Americans accept when the internet doesn't get any cheaper but does get slower. It's going to happen. They are conditioning us! They must still be salty 'bout that denied merger.

    2. Re:Pointless article by nadaou · · Score: 2

      try the sister article linked from soylent news.

      they are experimenting with a replacement for tcp/ip optimized for very large packet sizes.

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    3. Re:Pointless article by drolli · · Score: 2

      I guess it means:

      a) We rent existing but empty channels/fibers from providers (otherwise 5M would be impossible)

      b) We dont connect it to the internet; although they sadly dont mention if they have a private internet (not news) or if they use another protocol to avoid the negative side effects of TCP/IP (little news, unless they show the numbers)

      c) If I assume they are talking about 10 to 100 Gbit per second, then it would not be so fast) as far as I understand, single channels in fibers go up to 40GBit/s

    4. Re:Pointless article by Bengie · · Score: 2

      Newer DWMD multiplexing tech allows for 400Gb-500Gb super-channels and near future versions are about to have 1Tb/s super-channels. A 500Gb single super-channel can support anything from 50 10Gb channels to a single 500Gb channel. Of course the current max bandwidth across all channels in a single fiber is about 32Tb/s, so they'll have to make do. 32Tb/s can have 320 100Gb/s streams. Suddenly 100Gb sounds slow.

  4. Sounds like Internet 2? by rriven · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sounds a lot like Internet 2

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    In 2006, Internet2 announced a partnership with Level 3 Communications to launch a brand new nationwide network, boosting its capacity from 10 Gbit/s to 100 Gbit/s. In October, 2007, Internet2 officially retired Abilene and now refers to its new, higher capacity network as the Internet2 Network.

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  5. Re:More porn... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    > 100gbps

    A hell of a lot more than 8k!

    Man, I wonder what kind of porn that will be...[looks up to the stars wistfully, eyes like glazed saucers, the wonder of the infinite]

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  6. This sounds pathetic by strstr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Internet 2 was already supposed to be faster than the regular Internet.

    This announcement of 10Gbits to 100Gbits is not impressive .. that is a typical server connection these days.

    What would be impressive? Multiple terabits or even petabit network, dedicated to the schools, allowing each connected device maximum throughput simutaneously.

  7. Super Duper Intranet? by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't this really just a multi-campus intranet? A research organization needs to deal with data coming in at a rate of Library of Congresses per second (LoC/s) and they simply need to have devoted pipes to handle it. Piping it through the normal campus servers sharing bandwidth with 20,000 students streaming music and porn wasn't working for them.

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  8. How fast in Internet??? by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Internet isn't a speed, it's a concept. The Internet can have connections at any speed.

  9. Re:being greedy is gonna cost them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At a university I worked at in the past, we had routers that could hand way more than 100G of data ten years ago, and could even put that on a single fiber with a multiplexer. It was off the shield equipment. Projects like this use off the shelf equipment, stuff that is already used in major connections and backbones elsewhere. There is no being greedy and saying others can't play. It wasn't cheap (well, sometimes the routers were free from the vendor since they wanted our help testing out new equipment), but you can see that here that $5M split between 20 end points is not that much money for such a project.