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The Web We Have To Save

An anonymous reader writes: Hossein Derakhshan endured a six-year prison term in Iran for doing something most of us would take for granted: running a blog. He has a unique perspective — he was heavily involved in internet culture, becoming known as Iran's "blogfather," before suddenly being completely shut off from the online world in 2008. Seven months ago, he was released. When he got settled, he took up his old work of blogging, but was surprised by how much the web has changed in just a few years. Now he decries our reliance on monolithic social streams that prioritize image and meme sharing over the thing that makes the web the web: links.

"The hyperlink represented the open, interconnected spirit of the world wide web—a vision that started with its inventor, Tim Berners-Lee. The hyperlink was a way to abandon centralization—all the links, lines and hierarchies—and replace them with something more distributed, a system of nodes and networks. Blogs gave form to that spirit of decentralization: They were windows into lives you'd rarely know much about; bridges that connected different lives to each other and thereby changed them. ... Since I got out of jail, though, I've realized how much the hyperlink has been devalued, almost made obsolete."

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  1. Barking at the wrong tree by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    You won't get many counter-arguments on Slashdot. Most people here also think the same way, we hate Twitter and Facebook.

    1. Re:Barking at the wrong tree by King_TJ · · Score: 2

      Well, yes and no. Frankly, although I don't use Twitter much -- I don't have a problem with the core concept. There's something interesting about a form of social media that places such strict requirements on the length of what you can send out in a single broadcast. At first, I thought it was pointless - but I've grown to rather like it when it's used thoughtfully. There's an art to realizing when you have something unique, thoughtful or funny to share and distilling it down to 140 characters. And there are "niche cases" where people came up with good uses for Twitter that its own developers probably didn't even imagine. (EG. The realtors that let you follow them so you get regular updates about new home listings, or the laundromats that use it to let you know when certain washers or dryers are finished.)

      Facebook is "all over the place" with what you can do with your account on the site. Personally, I like Facebook, but my friends and I tend to share hyperlinks (with comments about what we're sharing and why), and then enjoy the discussions that come about it in comment replies beneath it. Seems to me, that's almost exactly what Hossein is lamenting the death of on the net in this article!

    2. Re:Barking at the wrong tree by buchner.johannes · · Score: 2

      People share links on Facebook, and re-tweeting is one of the core features of Twitter (culture), which always lets you retrace the original poster.

      I think this is more about meme-sites, where pictures (and cartoons, infographics, etc.) are *copied* rather than linked to the original website, often stripping away the original author. Therefore you have websites that do not produce their own content, but bundles (and earns money with advertisement). When the original authors claim their copyright, the site complies, but the stream (and people's attention) has moved on, so it does not matter and they get away with it.

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    3. Re: Barking at the wrong tree by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 5, Informative

      Much of it has degenerated into inline JavaScript.

    4. Re:Barking at the wrong tree by justthinkit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the laundromats that use it to let you know when certain washers or dryers are finished.

      I particularly like those tweets when I'm not even doing laundry that day!

      The realtors that let you follow them so you get regular updates about new home listings

      Real estate is a fantastically particular business. I would like to meet the person that wants to drown in every tweet from just one realtor or one agency.

      When I've looked for a home, the realtor and I were busy defining exactly what we were looking for. In short order we had a short list. We checked out that list. If that didn't work out, we re-defined and repeated.

      The process had absolutely nothing to do with breathlessly tweeting out every gasp in the real estate market and everything to do with being specific.

      FWIW, this sounds like it might be a job for RSS or email...but the notion of having to sort through tweets is ridiculous. Another problem with tweets is you would have to follow the link to learn anything at all -- there would be no room to describe the listing (unlike in RSS or email).

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    5. Re: Barking at the wrong tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nice try, random slash dot user, but I only trust APKs HOSTS file generator!

      Who knows _WHAT_ this is going to do in _MY_ HOSTS file...

    6. Re:Barking at the wrong tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why not run your own DNS and do
      *.facebook.[com|net]
      *.fb.com

      etc ? While you're at it you can do *.cn and *.ru too.

    7. Re:Barking at the wrong tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Eventually, the amoeba divides. Until then, it stretches itself thin.

      There once was a single internet culture. Then it began to stretch away from what it was, while still containing what it was. It continues to stretch. Eventually, a break will form and there will be two internet cultures. One for the "joe sixpack and slurpee crowd", as you put it, and one for the Eternal August (pre-Eternal September) crowd.

      Both will be fully functional and isolated from the other. They won't touch each other, because, cooties. Nerds don't want "dumb-jock" cooties, and non-nerds (jock or not) don't want nerd cooties. There's a reason people laugh at The Big Bang Theory, and this is it.

      And the world will be poorer for it. Only in the crucible, where heat and proximity force things to form unlikely bonds, can you make stronger alloys. Perhaps the "stupid" you should "fix" is your own.

    8. Re:Barking at the wrong tree by arekusu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Corporate content aggregation, and new flocks of sheep to drink from those content streams are one phenomenon.

      "Entrepreneurs" re-inventing IRC every two weeks with more emoticons is another. Can we simplify every "internet innovation" into three bullets?
      1) threaded forums -> TCP -> Usenet -> every news service ever (time-buffered data delivery)
      2) "get hails" -> UDP -> IRC -> every chat service ever (real-time data delivery)
      3) hypertext -> HyperCard -> WWW -> links (glue that connects everything)

      And I'll argue "content aggregation" is just a fancy .* glob, so pre-net.

    9. Re:Barking at the wrong tree by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The point of much of social media is not to share links but to replicate content and isolate it from it's original context. You're sharing content not necessarily hyperlinks.

      Just look at Facebook this week. Yesterday a video was released by DC Shoes about a daredevil who rode a wave on his motorbike. and hyperlink

      You won't get that link anywhere else. I had to google it. That's the original content. Yet my local news had a link to the video on youtube, naturally embedded in the news page. Facebook today has the video itself shared multiple times on their platform without any link to the outside world what so ever each share also removing context of the previous share. The video on my friend's page has 3 comments on it, the video on Motorcross Australia's page has 400 comments on it. Each of these are now detached despite being the same content from a single originator who is never linked to.

  2. I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've been using DARPANET/Internet/WWW in one way or another since the mid-80s. The signal to noise ratio is, indeed, appalling. I miss the WWW when it was far and away less commercial, when everything didn't need to be "monetized'. I miss reading Websites with links to other Websites with content that all one page. These days, a simple article is broken down to be spread across multiple pages, and for why? Ads. So people see more ads. Knowing this, and seeing this occur before it became the norm, I started blocking ads in the late 90s using a hosts file. Now, it's simpler with browser-based tools.

    The WWW is not what it was. It's been hijacked by the corporatists.

    1. Re:I agree by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This can be fixed. Create content without ads that only links to other content without ads. There's no reason why "www2" can't be just like 1990's www.
      All you need is a simple spec for hosting that anyone can follow, ie no ads, content on one page where possible, no multimedia unless absolutely necessary, and start the revolution.

    2. Re: I agree by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      The only thing that is "faster" is video.

      For pretty much everything else, web pages are slower to load, pictures wait while advertising websites choke, and javascript-heavy pages make your browser grind as easily now as it did 20 years ago.

  3. god i hate kids. by nimbius · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anything to get your 'hypertext protocol' off the ground eh? Well it wont work. You can piss n moan about your hyperlinks all you want but im perfectly happy downloading the memes over Gopher. now if youll excuse me the CSO query for another rib-tickler just came in and judging by the name, lemon party, its bound to be a real gasser.

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  4. Priceless by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The web was not envisioned as a form of television when it was invented. But, like it or not, it is rapidly resembling TV: linear, passive, programmed and inward-looking." https://medium.com/matter/the-...

    Sad but true.

  5. Perhaps it just more people... by captnjohnny1618 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I completely agree with the author's point. MOST people rely on a few social media sites for almost all of their internet surfing, and as others have pointed out, Slashdotters are almost unanimously going to agree that social media sites are not how we prefer to use the internet.

    Perhaps though the underlying internet hasn't changed or disappeared, it's just that social sites are so much "friendlier" to use that folks that didn't use the internet a long time ago are now using the "internet" and the increase in their traffic has dwarfed the less "friendly" (although I disagree that it's less friendly), link-ier part of the internet the author references.

    I have no numbers or citations, just wanted to throw that thought out there. I know people who consider themselves very computer savvy, but couldn't do much beyond set up a facebook profile or a shitty wordpress blog, but that doesn't mean that they've taken our "home" away.

    1. Re:Perhaps it just more people... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The internet has become all of the things that the old AOL represented.

    2. Re:Perhaps it just more people... by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      RS:AR?

    3. Re:Perhaps it just more people... by captnjohnny1618 · · Score: 2

      Nothing. I meant "shitty" as a modifier to individual instances, not Wordpress as a whole. I was merely illustrating that the internet today is largely people who are not "computer people" and the bar for "tech savvy" is shifting for many.

      The author is worried about the centralization of the internet, but much of the internet usage is concentrated on "platforms" (e.g. wordpress, facebook, squarespace, twitter, etc.) and "tech savviness" concentrated on a platform is not going to help decentralize things again.

  6. Irony by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Immediately following the end of the article, I found this:

    Log in to Medium and "recommend" this story.

    [infinite facepalm]

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  7. He became obsolete by jmyers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He is bitching because the medium he used to become popular is now obsolete for the masses. It is no different than newspapers complaining about the internet or "journalists" complaining about bloggers. Now its bloggers complaining about average Joe's. Unfortunately as the ability to publish moved down the food chain anyone with a computer is "publishing". Now we get a huge volume of useless content drowning out anything of value.

    The fact is the same people publishing cat pictures and dumbed down quotes would never read a meaningful article anyway. They have just joined the internet and now outnumber the people who actually want to generate and consume meaningful content. Welcome to real life.

  8. Sites which do not want to be linked to. by grahamm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Added to that there are sites which do not like you linking to their pages, some even going as far as to claim that linking to them is violating their copyright.

  9. Block IP address ranges too by knorthern+knight · · Score: 2

    Here are their IP address ranges that I block

    31.13.24.0/21
    31.13.64.0/18
    66.220.144.0/20
    69.63.176.0/20
    69.171.224.0/19
    74.119.76.0/22
    103.4.96.0/22
    173.252.64.0/18
    204.15.20.0/22

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  10. Blame the ISPs by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They prefer a one way connection, so they restrict services and uploading. They are working hard to turn the internet into TV, with little to no resistance from their customers.

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    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  11. Me and some political prisoner in Iran by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow we're the two guys in the world who feel this way,. I knew there was someone else out there somewhere.

    Most of javascript and the massive javascript libraries out there are trash which have the net effect of\ making the ability to write and maintain web pages less democratic. The whole idea that the web has to be some form of advanced TV, with infotainment graphics and video in little squares all over your page is completley mistaken.

    You acquire knowledge through reading; through either written words or equations on the page. Knowledge acquistion for humans is inherently and forever a process of abstract symbol processing- we process speech and scratches on a page and transform it into understanding. That's as natural as breathing. Plain text is the once and a future king of the internet.

    Sure, interactive infographics is a real step forward in faciliating the comprehension of complex data sets and interrelationships but those are few and far inbetween and most of the web is a designed for something else.

    Suer somethings are better demonstrated than explained verbally. No one is arguing with that.

    But the vision of the web as a general purpose computing platform hosted in the cloud which distributes it's "resuts" to limited capacity machines (that would be yours) which more or less passively consume the output is the TVization of the web.

    It's what the media companies crave because it puts them back into the seat of power they've always held- power to decide what you see, what you're told, what you know; the power to turn you on and and turn you off using draconic and insane theories of "intellectual property" like software patents and copyright-forever and take-down notices - the whole SOPA and PIPA machinery of innovation control and democracy annihilation which is being about to be passed into law through the TPP passage.

    Pages like Huffpo and Facebook it's ilk are unendurable, with video splattered everywhere, their incessant loading , reloading, sputtering and changing. But worse, on a deeper level, they're deliberately designed not to inform readers but to *develop detailed profiles of reader's specific interests which are then sold to marketers and employers*.

    They do this by making the headline, the actual content and the link-paths to their stories micro-interest sieves. With each follow-me link, with each carefully worded headline, every news story is broken out along predefined personality/interest micro topics. By the time you've clicked down to the actual story you wanted to read, you've told huffpo and their "partners" an enormous amount yourself personally, your personal circumstances, your private interests, private concerns and life circumstances.

    When read Huffpo you repeatedly engage in the above cycle and they in turn tweak and retweak their sieves to be finer and finer over time - this is an iterative game for them- so it reads you back, like a book.

    It knows you're a 23 y/o white woman living in THAT house with 3 roomates who's had an abortion, makes 23k a year working as a temp and is currently looking for a partner with which she can surprise one day by intimating she's willing to explore 50 Shades of Gray type S&M and that you have 34k in student loan debt you worry a lot about.

    It knows that and it shares that information to "its partners" which is to say anyone with enough money who wants it, who in turn sell that to your potential employers, that grant issuing institution you applied to, that political organization you're thining about joining, perhaps to see how far you can go.

    It sells it to the gatekeepers of your life so that when you show up in your new business causual outift to interview, you might as well be butt fucking naked with what you thought was your most private and personal information neatly typed out in Courier 12 on bond paper instead of you education and qualifications.

    And that's if your just Joesephine Average. If you're Josephine Someone, then you've effectively given your

  12. Maybe it takes somebody from Iran ... by quax · · Score: 2

    ... somebody who really is sensitized to what freedom means, to remind us that on the social nets we are just playing at the pleasure of our corporate overlords.

  13. All is lost anyway... by Jawnn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The local TV stations have taken to broadcasting a selection of Tweets about the events they cover, as if what Joe Sixpack has to say is somehow "news". Derakhshan is right, of course, but I don't see the Joe Sixpack's of the world giving a rat's ass about something takes more than five seconds to consume.