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Microsoft Makes Push To Get Back Into E-Sports

An anonymous reader writes: In October, Microsoft will publish Halo 5: Guardians, the first game in the series to be developed exclusively for the Xbox One. Microsoft is taking the opportunity to make a big play to become part of the e-sports market. They've announced a Halo competition with $1 million in prizes. As e-sports become more mainstream, and as game streaming has turned into a billion-dollar business, more and more development studios are seeing it as part of their marketing strategy. "When Halo fell out of favor among e-sports players, other games began to take off, often ones that were created with high-level competition in mind and that came from developers that invested heavily in events for professionals. Riot Games has turned League of Legends, its multiplayer online battle arena, into the most watched e-sport in the world, with 40,000 attendees at its finals in Korea last year." Microsoft wants back into that segment, and they're willing to spend big to do so.

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  1. E-sports! E-sports! E-sports! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Someone has to make this comment, and it might as well be me. I hate the name "E-sports." Can we just call it what it is, competitive video games? I mean, I get it, you want to sound all grown up and mature but ultimately you're playing video games "professionally." They're not sports. They're video games.

    No one calls competitive Scrabble "board sports" or tries to pretend it's anything other than what it is, adults competing at a board game. There's nothing wrong with being competitive at silly things. I mean, children play most sports, too, and no one bats an eye at adult men throwing a ball around on a field. (Except when for some reason they have to cheat by deflating the ball in order to win. Still don't understand why they got away with doing that or why the cheater involved is still in the news after his non-penalty.)

    So just call them competitive video games. They're not sports, they're just video games, and there's nothing wrong with being competitive over silly things. Plenty of people are.

    1. Re:E-sports! E-sports! E-sports! by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      /sarcasm We already have a term:

      E-penis

      Or we could just call them, shock, digital games because that's all they are.

      Why is the medium (for professional competition) even relevant again??

    2. Re:E-sports! E-sports! E-sports! by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      So how do you define a sport then? A strenuous physical activity? Well then Golf and Skeet Shooting need not apply, yet people call those sports. What about a physical activity that involves unpredictability, making precise movements in response to quick decisions? That sounds kind of like...using a mouse to play League of Legends...

    3. Re:E-sports! E-sports! E-sports! by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      I don't know anybody who competes from their couch. You're thinking of console gamers, who don't compete in anything that anybody would actually want to spectate.

    4. Re:E-sports! E-sports! E-sports! by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Made this comment myself. Wish I had mod points.

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    5. Re:E-sports! E-sports! E-sports! by vux984 · · Score: 1

      So how do you define a sport then?

      I define it, generally, as a athletic competition with a physical challenge.

      Golf, skeet shooting, bowling,... all qualify as sports. The athletic fitness may be less stringent, but the ability to place a ball, or a bullet, or a bowling ball 'just so' are still very much a physical challenge. But yeah in the 'hierachy of sport' bowling is on the bottom rung for athletics.

      What about a physical activity that involves unpredictability, making precise movements in response to quick decisions? That sounds kind of like...using a mouse to play League of Legends...

      Jeopardy has all that too.No advance notice what the question is going to be. Quick decisions. And a even buzzer you have to race to physically push. Its still not a sport either.

      Trying to play up videogames as a 'sport' because they use a mouse really accurately and fast is setting yourself up for ridicule. Your right, there's a physical challenge to it. It raises it all the way to the level of smartphone texting competitions and needle point racing.

      The real question is "why do you care that it be considered a 'sport' ?" What's the point? You think it will some how be more legitimate if we call it a sport? How'd that work out for chess? (IOC recognizes it as a sport now. Nobody else does.) Hell, most of us, roll our eyes at bowling too. You think boasting about your mouse clicking prowess is the path to credibility??

      Let it be its own thing, trying to attach the activity to football and hockey by calling it a "sport"... is pissing upwind. Utterly pointless... unless you like getting pissed on.

    6. Re:E-sports! E-sports! E-sports! by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Jeopardy has all that too.No advance notice what the question is going to be. Quick decisions. And a even buzzer you have to race to physically push. Its still not a sport either.

      How about this: When Stephen Hawking can play League of Legends, we'll stop calling it an e-sport.

    7. Re:E-sports! E-sports! E-sports! by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 2

      They're not sports. They're video games.

      If Chess qualifies as a sport recognised by the International Olympic Committee, then I don't see why video games can't be a sport.

    8. Re:E-sports! E-sports! E-sports! by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Didn't you know the mighty Stephen Hawking is a fucking Quake Master?

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    9. Re:E-sports! E-sports! E-sports! by Mal-2 · · Score: 1
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    10. Re:E-sports! E-sports! E-sports! by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      There are exceptions... https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      While complexity does add to spectator interest in a game, if it goes too far, then spectators aren't interested. For example, Blizzard decided to make Starcraft 2 so fucking hard for beginners to compete at all (that is, they made everything so micro heavy that you need an APM of like 200 just to even begin to get competitive, with the top end players being at over 300 APM,) so that none of them are even interested in watching people play it either. Thus all of the big gaming leagues no longer hold tournaments for Starcraft 2 anymore. However they still hold them for regular Starcraft.

    11. Re:E-sports! E-sports! E-sports! by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Really that's going to be your line in the sand? Its a sport as long as it requires at least some minimum level of motor control?

      Skeet shooting, curling, and bowling all need less motor control than a game like League of Legends. Sure, curling and bowling need strength, but not fine motor control.

  2. Not with a console they won't. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm trying to think of what games people play competitively on consoles, and none come to mind. Keyboard and mouse flat out destroys controllers when it comes to competitive play. Sure you'll have the occasional console player swear how much better they do with a controller, but the fact is they'll get trashed if they try to compete against a legit keyboard/mouse user.

    1. Re:Not with a console they won't. by x-arioch · · Score: 2

      All hail the pc master race !!

    2. Re:Not with a console they won't. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I'm trying to think of what games people play competitively on consoles, and none come to mind. Keyboard and mouse flat out destroys controllers when it comes to competitive play.

      That's OK, because 2015 (or perhaps 2016) is the year of the keyboard and mouse on consoles. (Sony is also licensing a kb/mouse peripheral, AFAIK this is a licensing first. Yes, I know that there were mice for prior platforms; I have them for SNES, PS, and DC. (That's all of them, right?)

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    3. Re:Not with a console they won't. by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      So, what is your point again?

      They're trying to say their e-penis is bigger.

    4. Re:Not with a console they won't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, fighting games for one.

      EVO was only a few weeks ago

    5. Re:Not with a console they won't. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I'm trying to think of what games people play competitively on consoles, and none come to mind.

      Smash Brothers has a serious scene, there's even a documentary.
      Marvel vs Capcom has some intense following.
      Streetfighter has had a scene for a while, maybe the oldest, check out this video. To pull of that defense, he had to hit many button presses in a row with millisecond precision.

      Frankly, if Microsoft consistently commits millions of dollars in prize money over several years, a competitive scene will grow up around it. I don't think many people will want to watch it, for reasons you mention, but if Microsoft throws a good party, they'll be able to fill a stadium full of gawkers.

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    6. Re:Not with a console they won't. by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Did you even read your link? It says straight-up that the controller-wielders couldn't compete without aim-assist.

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    7. Re:Not with a console they won't. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Titanfall? Never heard of it. Try CS:GO with a controller and I'm willing to bet you won't make it out of silver.

      I've read and re-read your comment, and I still don't see how it makes sense as a reply to mine. Neither linked article contains the word "Titanfall", nor does my comment...

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    8. Re:Not with a console they won't. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      If a game is played competitively, either the game/tournament allows for different controllers or not. If it does, all players will use the best controller, period. If it doesn't, well, players have to play with the allowed controller.

      This is like arguing that Whiffle Ball tournaments can be every bit as lucrative as Major League Baseball. Hate to burst your bubble, but nobody made big money on tournaments dedicated to casual competitors.

    9. Re:Not with a console they won't. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They're trying to say their e-penis is bigger.

      Ok go read TFS for a second, don't worry, I'll wait.

      Did you do so? Good. Now, recall that Microsoft wants to make money here. The money making part of tournaments is that you get spectators to pay to watch. Spectators want to watch skilled players, not people using aim assist on a controller.

      How much money do you think T-Ball tournaments make compared to Major League Baseball games? No comparison at all. That said, Microsoft isn't going to make shit if they stick to the T-Ball league of video games, which is exactly what they are doing.

    10. Re:Not with a console they won't. by ADRA · · Score: 1

      Nah, e-sports is essentially worthless on consoles because even with a AAA cross platform console game (if it exists), pros using either console can't play with one another because of the fuck wits in Sony/Microsoft decided that content couldn't be shared outside of their content ecosystem, which includes online matchmaking / competitions.

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    11. Re:Not with a console they won't. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Auto-aim shouldn't matter? Why do you even think that? It makes no sense.

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    12. Re:Not with a console they won't. by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I'm trying to think of what games people play competitively on consoles, and none come to mind. Keyboard and mouse flat out destroys controllers when it comes to competitive play. Sure you'll have the occasional console player swear how much better they do with a controller, but the fact is they'll get trashed if they try to compete against a legit keyboard/mouse user.

      Actually, Halo's been pretty big at the online competition arena - there's at least a couple of tournaments a year for it. (MLG, anyone?). It's not as bright as it used to be, but there's still some hardcore players and teams who compete. I know my Xbox still has highlight reels from the various Halo tournaments that were held.

      And while PC or keyboard/mouse can trounce controller any day, things may be more evenly matched if the players all used controllers.

      Basically, this is Microsoft getting behind competitive game playing and being a sponsor to promote their Xbone. And it really isn't unusual - Microsoft has done similar things in the past. I think right now there's a Halo tournament online going on in the leadup to Halo 5.

    13. Re:Not with a console they won't. by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

      So, if I fired up an aimbot along with my kb+m then we're good?

    14. Re:Not with a console they won't. by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      But the original claim was: "Keyboard and mouse flat out destroys controllers".

      yes we said
      (keyboard + mouse) > control pad
      !(keyboard + mouse) > (control pad + aim-bot)

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    15. Re:Not with a console they won't. by PPalmgren · · Score: 1

      I think the most visible shock to me showing how different keyboard/mouse play was compared to controllers was in Battlefield 3. My brother bought it for his Xbox and I had it on the PC. I remember the tram tunnel level, the first area being sort of out in the open and it being a domination/capture the flag format. Playing on the PC, there frequently times where the map would end before the first capture point was taken, where on the Xbox it was the exact opposite - most often all flags would be taken. This was because on the PC, if you popped your head up even for half a second it was toast, and the first flag was in a difficult to approach position. On the Xbox, everyone just charged in and no one could actually hit a damn thing. I'd played the game on the PC for 3-4 weeks then went over to my brother's house and saw him playing. The difference was clear as day.

      Of course, I already knew this, having played PC games competitively in the past and also playing Halo on the Xbox. A PC gamer can whip around with a flip of the wrist instantaneously and still get on target, a controller user is limited to the sensitivity of their joystick and its much slower turn time than a mouse.

  3. Re:Need something more exciting...like...GOLF... by Chas · · Score: 1

    That means an awful lot coming from some pathetic little AC.

    I'm hurt (hurt I say!)

    No, seriously, that shivering isn't laughter. I promise!

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  4. Microsoft Makes Push To Get Back Into E-Sports... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... The push began vigorously and quite succesfully with CEO of Microsoft, Satya Nadella, referring to CEOs of Apple and Google, Tim Cook and Larry Page, as "fkn scroobs" and suggesting they should "git on his fkn lvl"...

  5. $1 million is a lot? Sounds like not worth it by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 3, Interesting

    DOTA 2 once had a 10$ million tournament. Are you telling me one of the richest corporations on the planet couldn't even pony up that much?
    Professional sports teams pay single players 10$ million salary just to compete. Add up all the players in a league and you're looking in the billions.

    Halo has a small skill curve/ceiling compared to something like Starcraft or League of Legends. In Halo, the difference between getting killed or scoring a kill isn't much. So if someone wanted to go pro with Halo, they'd have to take a lot of risk with them instead of being a lock to win. When skill ceilings are low, there's more random luck involved in who wins. I believe even the best Halo player isn't that much better than the top 100 world wide. So for someone to dedicate a thousand+ hours of practice to become the best Halo 5 player means they're willing to take the risk of not winning in your piddly 1 million dollar tournament. It sounds like a whole lot of investment for a big gamble. Now say you made a 5-10 million dollar tournament, and promised to do this for 4 years straight, then it sounds like something almost worth pursuing. But 1 meelion *finger to lip* is a joke. All it does is attract little kids who can't do math think they're going to be the next pro gamer. If they have an on site tournament like MLG, the travel expenses and hotels of everyone participating is more expensive than the prize pool.

  6. Re:esports are gay because they don't have craftin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Signed, the guy who has absolutely no hand-eye coordination.

  7. Re:$1 million is a lot? Sounds like not worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Once had? Right now the 2015 world championship is being streamed, and it has an 18$ million prize pool.

    http://www.twitch.tv/dota2ti

    Enjoy.

  8. Halo 5 is bad. 343 is bad. Controller is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I used to play competitive Halo 2, Halo 3, and Halo Reach. I grew up playing Halo 1 and Halo 2 as my main game after learning about FPS in Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. Halo's competitive community started at MLG who was forced to drop the game after/during Halo Reach since that game was bad. There is a lot of depth in the arena style skirmishes on maps like Sanctuary, Midship, and Warlock, but the game and franchise is otherwise completely beholden to aging casual gamers. The competitive community is not dead, and is doing quite well in a dormant state where they play/compete in Halo 2: Anniversary which is part of the flop that was Halo: The Master Chief Collection.

    I have since moved on to Sc2 and CS:GO since PC is the best these days.
    At the end of the day, it would be really cool if Halo came to PC. The controller is inherently limited and casual, but Halo is a really special thing and is not linked to the controller in my opinion. Its about the strafing, the rifles, and the last second kills with the grenades. The casuals will always be the target audience, but Halo is truly a great game format that deserves to be more than a console game that girls buy for their boyfriends on black friday.

  9. Re:$1 million is a lot? Sounds like not worth it by ADRA · · Score: 1

    To be fair, the vast majority of the money raised (continues to be raised) is given by the DOTA community at large.

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  10. Re:Need something more exciting...like...GOLF... by Chas · · Score: 1

    I'm assuming the same idiots who watch Kim Kartrashian ... they can't find any meaning in their own life so they watch someone else's artificial life.

    Your ideas are intriguing. I would like to subscribe to your magazine...

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  11. Re:Need something more exciting...like...GOLF... by Chas · · Score: 1

    What was the thing about suckers, birth rates and minutes?

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  12. Re:Need something more exciting...like...GOLF... by Pubstar · · Score: 1

    TI5 is at $18mil right now.

  13. LoL is only most viewed by Pubstar · · Score: 1

    If you count the Twitch bots to boost stream numbers.

  14. Re: Before you start the endless, pointless discus by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 1

    Chess isn't a sport

    According to the International Olympic Committee, yes it is. I'd take their word over an AC any day.

  15. that isn't spending big by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

    $1 million prize money is NOT spending big, it is dunking their toe in the water. that would not even be close to 1% of halo's marketing budget

  16. Five mentions of Microsoft and Windows .. by nickweller · · Score: 1

    Five mentions of Microsoft and five mentions of Windows on the main page, yea we get it, Microsoft is still relevant ...

  17. Is it weird that E-Sports doesn't refer to by sabbede · · Score: 1

    sports games? When I saw the headline, my first thought was, "When did MS make sports games? I thought they left that to EA."

  18. Re:Need something more exciting...like...GOLF... by Chas · · Score: 1

    No. I'm more geared to dependable income.

    Sure, $65/hour isn't as huge an earner, but at least I don't have to worry about it drying up tomorrow.

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  19. Re:Need something more exciting...like...GOLF... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    I regret to inform there was only 1 issue ... the readers kept applying the advice (*shock*) and thus was no demand for future issues.

    How to live a meaningful life

    Vol. 1, Issue 1.

    Far too many people waste away their life complaining about X. They are unaware there are only 2 types of people:

    1. Achievers: The ones making an effort to live their dreams one step at a time , and
    2. Dreams: Everyone else, who complains that they never have enough time, money, or excuse ___ of the month. They spend the majority of the time wasting away their life watching other famous people.

    The secret to living a meaningful life starts with a Healthy Body and Healthy Mind.

    1. Quit filling your mind up with junk
    Limit mindless entertainment to a few hours a week. Be it TV, movies, games, News, etc. Seriously, knowing which Hollywood actor divorced who, or who slept with who, does fuck all for your life.

    2. Watching documentaries or TED is a great way to keep the mind up-to-date with meaningful content.

    3. With all the free extra time you because you cut out all the crap in your life
    - pursue hobbies
    - spend more time outside
    - spend more actual face time with loved ones, family, parents, friends
    - read more
    - exercise more
    - bicycle more
    - walk more

    4. Holy Trinity of Exercise
    The 3 disciplines of: Yoga, Martial Arts, Weight Lifting complement each other very well. If you can't do all 3, pick one.

    5. Diet
    As we get older we get fatter and slower. Cut out all High Fructose Corn Syrup. Read all ingredients to see if it is the first one. If mouthwash has alcohol skip it. Favor natural and organic products to "plastic" food. Try Raw. Limit fatty foods.

    6. Practice Spirituality
    Whatever path you take, Theism, or Atheism, is largely irrelevant because they are both incomplete. All that matters is that you always keep seeking -- learning and applying your philosophy in all areas of your life.

    7. Secret to Happiness
    Remove False Expectations

    8. Keep pondering the big stuff, and enjoy the little moments.

    9. Smile, Laugh, and Love more. It is the world's best medicine and miracle.

    10. Remove negative influences, and focus on the positive.
    Replace your vocabulary of "problem" with "opportunity"

    11. Enjoy *your* life, not other's fake life.

  20. FIDE can't ban TV or mods by tepples · · Score: 1

    If Chess qualifies as a sport recognised by the International Olympic Committee, then I don't see why video games can't be a sport.

    Unlike the governing body of an e-sport (its publisher), the governing body of Chess (FIDE) has no legal authority to prevent any of these:

    • Televising a Chess match, unlike e-sports which are subject to public performance rights under copyright
    • Manufacturing equipment to play Chess, unlike e-sports which are subject to reproduction rights under copyright
    • Mods of Chess, such as Chess960 and nonstandard pieces, unlike e-sports which are subject to derivative work rights under copyright
  21. Re:Before you start the endless, pointless discuss by tepples · · Score: 1

    Do you have any idea about the amount of money the industry moves (and that is NOT only the prizes)?

    Does this include money that moves when the governing body of a sport sues a league for televising the league's own matches?

  22. Re:Need something more exciting...like...GOLF... by tepples · · Score: 1

    How much of his revenue does he have to pay out to video game publishers who claim the rights to his videos? A sport like Basketball, Table Tennis, or Chess has no publisher. It has a governing body (FIBA, WTTF, or FIDE), but a governing body can't sue you for televising a match.

  23. 256 color FPS? Luxury. by tepples · · Score: 1

    The 3D FPS game genre started with Wolfenstein 3D on VGA with 256 colors.

    256? I thought it started with Battlezone with 2 colors: line or lack of line. And then MIDI-Maze on Atari ST with 16 colors, which was ported to Game Boy as Faceball 2000 with 4 colors.

  24. Elo rating plz by tepples · · Score: 1

    How about "I wish players were automatically matched by skill, so that the pros and expert amateurs don't destroy people who are still learning the game"? Chess matches, for example, are more interesting between players with close Elo ratings.

  25. Nobody owns gridiron football by tepples · · Score: 1

    Each gridiron football league controls its own television rights. Each of the two most prominent gridiron football leagues in the United States (NFL and NCAA) can make its own TV deals without consulting some hypothetical "owner of gridiron football". Likewise, anybody can manufacture gridiron football equipment or start a new gridiron football league without needing to license some exclusive right. Neither NFL nor NCAA nor any other owner of exclusive rights had power under law to shut down the American Football League (prior to merger with the NFL), the USFL, or the XFL.

    The only exclusive right in a sport that I'm aware of is Arena Football League's rebound net patent, and other indoor gridiron football leagues just designed around it in their rules. Were there an owner of gridiron football, these indoor gridiron football leagues would probably not have been allowed to bring their "mod" of gridiron football to the public.

  26. Re:Need something more exciting...like...GOLF... by Chas · · Score: 1

    Well, unlike you, I'm not required to ask "would you like fries with that".

    Nor are $5 worth of McDonalds food part of my perks package...

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