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Amazon Cuts Down On Prime Sharing

An anonymous reader writes: Tech Crunch reports that Amazon quietly rolled out changes to how their Prime subscriptions can be shared. The good news is that existing members aren't immediately losing their current sharing setups. It used to be that Amazon would let Prime subscribers share free shipping and a few other benefits with up to four other "household" members, with little restriction on what counted as a "household." The bad news: as of last weekend, Amazon now limits sharing to one other adult and four "child" profiles. The adults will need to authorize each other to use credit/debit cards associated with the account. Amazon didn't make any announcement about this, so it's unknown how long existing Prime shares will stay in effect. They could disappear when the subscription is up for renewal, or earlier if Amazon decides to crack down on it.

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  1. More great news for AMZN shareholders by njahnke · · Score: 1

    Sky's the limit.

    1. Re:More great news for AMZN shareholders by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      More great news for AMZN shareholders ... Sky's the limit.

      It's awful, isn't it? We should definitely choose some politicians that will limit the sort of success that a company's founders and investors can earn. That's how other people will suddenly start doing the things that will make them prosperous and there will be no more wealth gap. Limit success so that everyone succeeds! There's no prosperity until there's no prosperity!

      What's the matter, put all your money into Apple stock and frustrated that it's lost value over the last few months while Amazon's continued to climb? Mad because you're trying to Kickstarter a Free Range Artisanal Organic Hemp Tea Cozy Studio and don't understand why people would invest some of their money in Amazon instead of giving it to you? Why the snark?

      I'm not unhappy. Amazon's stock has gone up over 650% since I bought it, and I don't think a week goes by without them dropping off a package on our doorstep instead of me wasting time and energy driving around town hunting for the same items with - at best - mixed results. It IS good news for Amazon and the people who've put their own money into that company's fortunes when they fine tune the way they do things. Because they've got a good record of keeping both their customers and their investors satisfied.

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    2. Re:More great news for AMZN shareholders by njahnke · · Score: 1

      Haha. No snark, actually.

  2. Single sign on is a pita by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    I wanted to use one account for ebooks and another for everything else. Works fine on ios but android has single sign on that can't be disabled.

    So.....Now i have two $99 amazon prime subs.

    Can anyone please tell me how to break single sign on on android?

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    1. Re:Single sign on is a pita by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I wanted to use one account for ebooks and another for everything else.

      Why?

    2. Re: Single sign on is a pita by markus · · Score: 1

      Call up Amazon. They'll most likely refund you the money for one of your accounts.

      That doesn't solve your single sign on problem, but at least it gets you your $99.

      As for the problem with the accounts my best suggestion is to set up multiple profiles with Android ... assuming your OS is sufficiently recent to support this feature. Sorry that I don't have a better suggestion.

    3. Re:Single sign on is a pita by RDW · · Score: 1

      Order everything from one account, then strip the DRM from your books and read them on the Android app of your choice without signing on to anything?

    4. Re:Single sign on is a pita by sims+2 · · Score: 2

      Ever thought about sharing the parts of amazon prime you don't use?

      I don't use prime music the selection sucks but my sister likes it and she has a lot of expensive ebooks for school on her amazon account.

      Lucky for her one of those ebooks was so expensive it came with a free one year prime sub.
      SSO is a rarther moot point for the next 8 months or so.

      Also amazon likes to remind you of the prime benefits you aren't using or can't use.

      For instance the kindle owners lending library is a prime benefit I have a kindle app on my ipad but since it is not a "kindle" I am not allowed to use the library despite having paid for it.

      What RDW said about stripping the drm from the books and having them saved on the device is the best idea I have heard so far.

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    5. Re: Single sign on is a pita by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're stealing and lying, and now they stopped you. No, we won't help you. Fuck off.

    6. Re:Single sign on is a pita by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      I wanted to use one account for ebooks and another for everything else. Works fine on ios but android has single sign on that can't be disabled.

      So.....Now i have two $99 amazon prime subs.

      Can anyone please tell me how to break single sign on on android?

      Can't you just use Kindle Family Library? Login on your phone to the non-eBook account, which should be able to see the Kindle books via family sharing anyway.

    7. Re:Single sign on is a pita by cornjones · · Score: 1

      Can anyone please tell me how to break single sign on on android?

      It isn't really hard. sign out and click the link below sign on that says 'sign on as a different user'.

      Why do I know? I have two accounts w/ the same username and different passwords that amazon wouldn't combine for me. somehow when my first kindle was bought it didn't go in under the same account. Real pita but I had bought a bunch of kindle books before I realized the problem and have ended up keeping the two accounts since. Wasn't a problem they combined single sign on on android but they fixed the problem shortly there after.

      What kind of WTF in the user management allows two accounts w/ the same username is a mystery to me.

    8. Re: Single sign on is a pita by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      I bet you think I ought to buy a new Windows key and media every time I Have to reinstall windows too.

      Microsoft stopped laminating the key labels so you can't even read most of them anymore.

      How many people are on your netflix account?
      Netflix now sells service on this fact.
      In fact if you say you are the only one that uses the netflix account you are penalized with no hd video.

      Amazon allows sharing and now that i'm looking into it more it looks like amazon now lets you share content through "Family Library". Exactly like what I wanted to do.

      Its not stealing its not theft its not illegal its not even morally wrong and amazon even provides an easy way to do it now: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/... So apparently they're ok with it too.

      So is there any reason why I shouldn't be able to use multiple accounts? Nope not really. Like I said its just android thats screwed up. It works fine on everything else It even shows on amazon's website that I am supposed to be able to do it just for some reason I can't. http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/....

      So Facebook you.

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    9. Re:Single sign on is a pita by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Why yes I can now that I know it exists. I didn't yesterday. Thanks for the tip.

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  3. I'm not renewing prime this year... by sdguero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Our household spends a lot of money on Amazon, but we are not going to renew Prime this year. I ahve been rodering thing from Amazon since the 90s but my satisfaction level with the company peaked a couple years ago adn has been sliding down since. The reasons we are cancelling are varied:

    - Items listed as having Prime often do not arrive for 5-6 business days. This is typical for larger items. It annoys me that Amazon lists tham as prime (to me this means item will arrive 2-3 business days), and their practice of having fine print about extra handling time for some prime items is abrasive. Just don't list it as Prime if it won't be shipped for 3-4 days!
    - The streaming video options are weak and I don't like the picture quality
    - "Prime day" is a joke
    - They raised the annual price of Prime 3x since I signed up
    - Items shipped prime from Amazon have shown up obivously used or broken multiple many times over the past year (much more often than before)
    - Amazon's support people were really hard to deal with when things in the above bullet point happened
    - As far as I can tell "super saver" shipping usually only takes one additional day (and sometimes none) to arrive compared to prime
    - I have been finding better prices on many things from retailers like Costco and Walmart compared to what Amazon offers
    - Amazon uses a variety of tactics to make the camelcamlcamel plugin not work relably to show price history on an item.

    Maybe I will regret the decision and we will sign back up, but we are definitely going to try living without it.

    1. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by njahnke · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Where do you live?

    2. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Funny

      I ahve been rodering thing from Amazon since the 90s but my satisfaction level with the company peaked a couple years ago adn has been sliding down since.

      Before your Prime membership expires, you should order a new keyboard. Something is wrong with the one you are using.

    3. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My family uses Amazon. We all live in the same house. 96 separate orders shipped to the house so far this year. 168 in 2014. That is ORDERS, not just 96 and 168 items.

      To each his won. I see the benefit of Prime just for the shipping alone.
      I've only watched a prime video once and my wife got 2 Kindle books once.

    4. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by rsmith-mac · · Score: 5, Informative

      - They raised the annual price of Prime 3x since I signed up

      Huh?

      Amazon Prime was launched in 2005 for $79. The price has gone up once, in 2014, to $99. So I'm not sure how you could have seen three price increases. Even if you were a student and are counting the loss of the student discount once you left school, that's only two increases.

      Items shipped prime from Amazon have shown up obivously used or broken multiple many times over the past year (much more often than before)

      Unfortunately Prime doesn't guarantee the quality of an item, just that it ships quickly. More and more third party sellers are using Amazon, including Amazon's fulfillment system, which means their goods can be shipped out by Amazon and qualify for Prime. As has been the case with Amazon for some time now, if it's not being sold by Amazon directly then it's a crap-shoot; you're basically buying eBay style and hoping for the best. Prime shipping doesn't change that.

    5. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Agreed. And if the item isn't in the condition you expect it in, their return policy is fairly generous as well, and often times they'll ship out a replacement item under the same shipping level before they receive your return.

    6. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      This. And though I've had hundreds of shipments from Amazon, personal and business-wise, very few have had problems. And in every case, they've had a replacement out the door to me before I even had the tape on the return box. Probably a quarter of the items I order now are delivered the same day, stuff is arriving on Sundays ... it all just works, and keeps working better as time goes by. Be reasonably intelligent about the sources of third-party listings, and you're done.

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    7. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      The shipping has gone downhill since they started using USPS for many of the Prime items. USPS tracking is straight out of the 18th Century. And many people still have to go down to the post office (sometimes that's miles and miles each way) to pick up a package the carrier wouldn't or couldn't leave. The Post Office is run by the "Mo" twins - MoRon and MoLasses. Their slogan is, "When it absolutely, positively has to be there sooner or later."

      Bezos needs to get his head out of the clouds (or out of his ass), stop wasting money on hair-brained projects, and get Amazon back to what they do best - retailing.

      I don't care about having a package delivered by a drone. I just want fast reliable delivery, something they used to be able to do.

    8. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PEBKAC, user error ID-10T.

    9. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by murdocj · · Score: 1

      I've occasionally thought about Prime but I just don't get that much stuff from Amazon. Curious as to what you are buying that you get an order basically every other day?

    10. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by krelvin · · Score: 1

      - Items listed as having Prime often do not arrive for 5-6 business days. This is typical for larger items. It annoys me that Amazon lists tham as prime (to me this means item will arrive 2-3 business days), and their practice of having fine print about extra handling time for some prime items is abrasive. Just don't list it as Prime if it won't be shipped for 3-4 days!

      You must living timbuktu... and order really off the wall stuff. Here in Phx, a major Amazon warehouse is so close this just doesn't happen. I get all Prime items in 2 business days or sometimes even the next day. It is rare for an item to miss the 2 day business delivery date.

      - The streaming video options are weak and I don't like the picture quality

      Don't really use Prime for this... so it is an extra for me. Gives me a second place to look if Netflix doesn't have something.

      - "Prime day" is a joke

      Yes it is a joke considering anyone can basically participate (even non-prime members with a free signup) this for me is a non-issue. Who has time to spend all day on a business day watching to see what is going on sale.

      - They raised the annual price of Prime 3x since I signed up

      Only the second annual price increase as long as I've been a member for many years.

      - Items shipped prime from Amazon have shown up obivously used or broken multiple many times over the past year (much more often than before)
      - Amazon's support people were really hard to deal with when things in the above bullet point happened

      This has never been an issue. Contact with Amazon has normally been quick and to the point and I have never waited for a resolution to the issue.

      - I have been finding better prices on many things from retailers like Costco and Walmart compared to what Amazon offers

      Seriously? Non-savvy consumers get what they get when they don't research what they are buying before hitting the buy button. There are always trade offs to things you buy and where you buy them. For the most part Amazon is convenience of getting the item fast without having to go out and deal with the crowds, heat etc, but are not always the best price... Costco doesn't always have the best deals either and Walmart... many times doesn't have the quality items to even start with.

    11. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prime was useful when I moved into my first house and needed a lot of items, some of it furniture. At the time I didn't really care if it took more than 2 days, getting a bed, a TV stand, and much more delivered to my door was definitely worth $79. However the video streaming was a joke, very few shows were included in the Prime membership and the rest I would still have to pay by the season or even episode for. Nowadays I don't need fast shipping hardly ever so I discontinued the membership.

    12. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Wow Im up to 99 amazon orders this year only 85 last year.....I didn't realise i had been using it that much more.

      Still that's way behind my ebay account with 147 orders this year and I am well on my way to beating last years record of 236 orders.

      Netflix/Prime sub for 1 year 8 months.

      I order a lot of things I would otherwise get on ebay on amazon with the 2day ship and if I can't get it with the faster shipping I get it on ebay for the cheaper rate because amazons shipping from 3rd parties is very slow compared to the standard 3 day shipping on ebay. (ebay fast and free, us only)

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    13. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI If Amazon is guaranteeing an earlier delivery date during ordering than when the item actually arrives you get a free month of Prime each occurrence.

    14. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Well I didn't use to buy much of anything from amazon because their standard shipping is much slower than the standard shipping methods on ebay.

      Even if you pay extra for "expedited" ebay's "fast and free" is still faster.

      The fact that amazon sellers can call usps priority mail expedited is BS.

      What do I buy? well whatever I happen to need at the time
      for example the last 10 things I bought on amazon.

      1 trunk lift support. (yep had one to break)

      1 lithium jump starter. (never had lithium type before should be interesting)

      10 ballasts for f96t12 lights.

      10 ballasts for f32t8 lights.

      3 usb on the go cables.

      1 network cable tester.

      1 usb otg adapter for a galaxy tab.

      1 usb htpc keyboard.

      1 replacement laptop screen. (mines not broken it just has these dark spots that are spreading through the screen never seen anything like it)

      1 toshiba laptop battery.

      the last 10 things I bought on ebay.

      3 galaxy note chargers. (used all the other 3)

      1 toshiba laptop battery.

      1 sanyo tv remote. (another model)

      1 sanyo tv remote.

      4 lowering blocks for a trailer.

      4 10" long u bolts w/nuts and washers.

      1 set of guitar string through ferrules.

      3 galaxy note chargers.

      1 spring assisted pocket knife.

      1 philips tv remote.

      Neither amazon or ebay have been able to figure out what I like to buy but that doesn't stop them from making recommendations.

      Amazon seems to think I need some hdmi cables.
      I already have plenty.

      Ebay seems to think I need a new set of clothes.
      But I don't like to buy clothes online no one ever bothered to standardise the sizes.....someone really really needs to standardise the clothing sizes. At the very least If I buy 3 shirt brand shirts in 3 different colors they should all be the same size.

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    15. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I complained last time and got them to extend it once more at the current rate, but it lapsed a month or two ago. I just ordered a memory foam topper for a new mattress sunday night. Prime would have got it here Wednesday, but the free shipping isn't going to get it here till monday. It isn't huge, but it is still slightly annoying, in that they didn't get it shipped until today. In other words, It almost seems that part of the reason the non prime shipping is slower is that it seems amazon doesn't get the package to the shipper as fast...

      Has anyone else noticed if non prime free shipping is just slower to get to the shipper?

      I may or may not renew eventually, but each month I can avoid it I suppose I save what $8 dollars, so given that sometimes I just don't care when stuff arrives, I could likely come out almost the same by simply selecting faster shipping the rare times I do. Of course I usually only order at most a couple things a month, and seldom are they in that big a hurry. Sure prime was handy, but I still think they should have left the early adopters at the older rates if we kept it, or at least gave us a better rate. Oh well..

    16. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Third party listing's.

      Yeah thats one of the problems with buying from amazon instead of ebay.

      On amazon you always get a stock photo if you get a photo at all.

      On ebay you always get a picture of the item itself unless the seller has a bunch of whatever it is.

      Also with amazon you have no idea how fresh food items are Twizzlers are often dry and hard wish I could get them fresh for as cheap as amazon but the local sam's club never seems to have any and they are not well sealed so they don't keep well.

      A screwed up listing I can think of off hand is the listing for the 180 ct tub of twizzlers. Twizzlers also makes a 180ct cardboard box and some nitwits have taken up selling them under the same listing. Id fix it myself but i think you have to have a seller account to do that now. I seem to remember being able to fix them years ago without one.

      I have also had good luck with returns. Just fyi amazon a single sealed air packing bag on one side is not sufficient protection for 4 fluorescent bulbs but I still don't know how ups only broke one of them on the way.

      I had amazon to loose one of my packages between the fulfillment center and ups (I had paid extra for 1 day shipping) about 2 months ago after it hadn't arrived a week later I contacted amazon and they refunded my shipping cost and the full cost of the order but they could only reorder one of the items I had purchased I had to reorder the rest my self.

      I wonder what happened to that box.
      I don't think amazon was ever able to find it...it still shows to be in transit now.

      I did receive a sim card cutter that was missing some parts and amazon sent me a second one free of charge.

      Thats all the problems I can think of that I have had getting things in the mail from amazon.

      Keep in mind I am up to 99 orders this year and I have had problems with 3 in the since ive been using amazon I think they are doing pretty good on average.

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    17. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      I want to know how to roder something. It sounds like a thing 4chan does while getting Lulz.

    18. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no standard shipping on ebay. I call bullshit there. I've had so many poor shipping experiences with ebay. The sellers 'fill in' a tracking id, but don't ship for days. This prevents me from actually rating them for shipping because they provided the data.

      For Amazon I typically avoid purchasing non-prime items. Third party sellers are OK, but I just dislike the lack of expedited shipping.

      In fact, it's the same games and bullshit you get from eBay.

    19. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Items listed as having Prime often do not arrive for 5-6 business days. This is typical for larger items. It annoys me that Amazon lists tham as prime (to me this means item will arrive 2-3 business days)

      Nowhere in the definition of Prime is a shipping speed guaranteed. Don't blame Amazon for asinine assumptions you've made on your own hook.

    20. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by Mike+Frett · · Score: 1

      I've also been finding better prices at local stores like Walmart. The best thing about that is I don't need to wait for an Item to ship. I've found that it's mostly the 3rd party sellers that are inflating prices on Amazon like $99 so-called "Rare" DVDs that can be found on EBay for $20 or less.

      I've also noticed things like when you add an Item to your Cart and leave it for awhile (30 min); the price will go up. Take it out and the price will go back down. Amazon really needs to take a hard look at the practices of Sellers.

    21. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by bjwest · · Score: 1

      - They raised the annual price of Prime 3x since I signed up

      Huh?

      Amazon Prime was launched in 2005 for $79. The price has gone up once, in 2014, to $99. So I'm not sure how you could have seen three price increases. Even if you were a student and are counting the loss of the student discount once you left school, that's only two increases.

      Didn't you read his post? He was using the Super Secret Prime back in the 90's. That was less than $79, so the public prime rate of $79 was an increase for those people.

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    22. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      They specifically state that prime gets bumped in line during the picking, boxing, and shipping process. They can't speed the shipper, but they can let prime members pay for the research, tools, and people to get stuff out the door fast.

    23. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once ordered batteries shipped and sold by Amazon only to be delivered with a sticker on it from a third-party seller. I think a picker grabbed the wrong inventory. I did call them up and let them know.

    24. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by dj245 · · Score: 1

      Our household spends a lot of money on Amazon, but we are not going to renew Prime this year. I ahve been rodering thing from Amazon since the 90s but my satisfaction level with the company peaked a couple years ago adn has been sliding down since. The reasons we are cancelling are varied: - Items listed as having Prime often do not arrive for 5-6 business days. This is typical for larger items. It annoys me that Amazon lists tham as prime (to me this means item will arrive 2-3 business days), and their practice of having fine print about extra handling time for some prime items is abrasive. Just don't list it as Prime if it won't be shipped for 3-4 days! - The streaming video options are weak and I don't like the picture quality - "Prime day" is a joke - They raised the annual price of Prime 3x since I signed up - Items shipped prime from Amazon have shown up obivously used or broken multiple many times over the past year (much more often than before) - Amazon's support people were really hard to deal with when things in the above bullet point happened - As far as I can tell "super saver" shipping usually only takes one additional day (and sometimes none) to arrive compared to prime - I have been finding better prices on many things from retailers like Costco and Walmart compared to what Amazon offers - Amazon uses a variety of tactics to make the camelcamlcamel plugin not work relably to show price history on an item. Maybe I will regret the decision and we will sign back up, but we are definitely going to try living without it.

      Same here. I haven't had used or broken items arrive yet, but I am completely fed up with the 2 day delivery promise turning into 5 days or longer after I order an item. Especially frustrating when I order a bunch of things for a project, plan on starting the project on day X, then one item somehow doesn't arrive until the next week. I may still be eligible for student prime rates but it still isn't worth it. I live in Houston; there really is no excuse for the shipping delays. Maybe Amazon has subcontracted out a little too far, and therefore lost control. It doesn't matter, we're going to try to live without prime.

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    25. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost the same random stuff that sim2 posted.

      Auto parts (brake pads, spark plugs, belt tentioner, wheel bearings, hitch balls, etc..) tractor tires and inner tubes, used CDs, AC pressure gauges, tools, food, whole house water filters, pool chemicals, phone cases. My wife buys clothes and a lot woman stuff like creams and soaps and such, my daughter buys a lot of toys and baby stuff and supplies for her son.

      The conscensus among us is to buy from Amazon as a the seller if possible and for some things, I'll even pay a few % more if needed. 3rd party sellers is always the second choice.

      We buy from Ebay maybe 2-3 times a year.

    26. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      You can always rate their shipping, especially if they are playing games: negative (or neutral) feedback.

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    27. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      Looking at your purchase history... HDMI cables is a reasonable recommendation. Out of your last ten eBay orders, 3 items were TV remotes. Only problem is... Amazon shouldn't have known that!

    28. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      This. And though I've had hundreds of shipments from Amazon, personal and business-wise, very few have had problems. And in every case, they've had a replacement out the door to me before I even had the tape on the return box. Probably a quarter of the items I order now are delivered the same day, stuff is arriving on Sundays ... it all just works, and keeps working better as time goes by. Be reasonably intelligent about the sources of third-party listings, and you're done.

      Also... they either changed their refund policy, or give better trust to people with long track records. Whenever I've had to return an item, I can credited the same day the tracking number is scanned by a carrier. Used to be you'd have to wait until a day or two after they received the item.

    29. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Ebay is dangerous. I just started selling some Alix 2d3's that I was given. I refreshed them and they were selling for a bit more each auction. No complaints, no problems that I'm aware of in any way.

      Boom, account suspended, no recourse, no appeal, no warning, nothing.
      I had just purchased a shipping label for my last auction that ended, and shipped an item with it. They have the tracking number, it was purchased through their site. They ignored this and refunded the buyer his money, claim to have refunded my shipping label (nothing in my paypal account), and told me, "too bad you shipped, you have to call the buyer to see if he will pay you."

      How the hell can they even do that? I think I'm going to sue them in small claims, even though it's only about $75 (filing costs more). I'm just super pissed about it.

    30. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by cornjones · · Score: 1

      I had a similar thing where I sold an item and the buyer didn't like it. I said fine, send me the item and I will refund but they just complained to paypal and got their money refunded while they still had the item. I had no recompense. Pissed me off enough to make me avoid paypal as much as possible for the last 15 years though.

    31. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by cornjones · · Score: 2

      I am not sure of the numbers but the prime costs in the UK jumped a LOT over the last year or two. Something like 49 to 99 GBP.

      They added a bunch of video's, libraries and now music so there is some value but I wasn't looking for a bundle, i just wanted the expedited shipping.

    32. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      I think, indeed, that's related to your track record as a customer. I've received TXT messages from Amazon about a processed credit within literally seconds of a UPS drop-off point scanning a package. Fun to see that many moving parts moving so quickly.

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    33. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by sdguero · · Score: 1

      I thought it was $109 now...

    34. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by Vertigo+Acid · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. They'll throw some digital media or pantry credits your way, but I've never gotten a free month of prime by complaining about missed commits

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    35. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by sdguero · · Score: 1

      Well it used to say "expidited handling" but they may have dropped that. My problem is that I will make 5 orders over the course of a month and they will arrive in 2 days (awesome!) so I will get an expectation of quick delivery times. Then I will make the mistake of depending on something arriving in 3-4 days, but it will take 6 or 7 (or way more!) and I end up having to go buy the thing somewhere else because I needed it, and then return the one from Amazon. All of this is a pain in my ass. As someone else noted, using USPS on the weekends has boned me a couple times already (one package, a mothers day gift, took 4 months!). Basically I'm cutting back how much stuff i order because I can't depend on Amazon for reliable delivery times, and prime doesn't seem worth it if I'm not ordering as much stuff.

    36. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by antdude · · Score: 1

      Some of those are true for non-Prime members.

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    37. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      I did buy a tv wall mount last month I assume it picked up on that.

      What makes me wonder is the email I received from amazon this monday for a free upgrade to amazon business that said in the fine print "Based on your past purchases, we think you might be interested in Amazon Business."

      I don't feel I buy quite that much in bulk but I do wonder what they are offering as they say you can buy things from sellers who only deal in B2B but don't give any examples.

      I looked for a review but I am unable to find one for amazon business. If you search "amazon business review" you will find a lot of stock tips but no actual reviews.

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    38. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      I got that email too and ignored it because I already had Prime. It gives you two things:

      1: Free 2 day shipping on any order of $49 or more.
      2: Access to certain business and industrial products not available to non-business customers.

      If I didn't have Prime, and didn't need any of the non-shipping benefits like music, video, Kindle Lending Library, etc, it'd be a no-brainer, since you get the fast shipping on $50 or more orders, and can continue with smaller orders and paying regular shipping (or free super saver).

    39. Re:I'm not renewing prime this year... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's in their terms and conditions, I'm sure you know how to search. (not the same AC but) I got 5 free months added to my subscription for this. I just contacted customer service and politely mentioned it, always got it, no questions asked. It got to the point that I was disappointed if an item arrived on time and I didn't really need it RIGHT AWAY.

      I decided not to renew my Prime subscription this year just because I'm a cheapass, and my 4 years of half price via Amazon Student had run out. But certainly no complaints with the service, and Amazon's customer service is by far the best in online retailing.

    40. Re: I'm not renewing prime this year... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good question... To counter GGP argument: I'm living in Berlin, Germany and prime articles arrive on the very next day, no exception until now... (50+ orders) Even without prime it takes normally only 3-4 days...

  4. This is better by kb7oeb · · Score: 1

    For me this is better because now I can share amazon prime videos and kindle books with my household without having to share accounts.

  5. Crypto? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

    Prime sharing?

    I came here thinking that this was a crypto problem.

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  6. Cancelling due to crappy Prime Instant Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm not renewing my Prime membership either this year, but curiously my reasons are completely different to yours. In my case I won't renew because:

    1. The selection of films and TV shows on Prime is quite dreadful. I'm a SciFi fan, and I estimate that less than 10% of the non-retro SciFi content that I wish to watch is provided on Prime. (I'm in UK.)
    2. Content available on Prime has no permanence. You might have added a Prime film to your Watchlist and looked forward to a happy weekend's viewing, only to find that it's been removed from Prime before you had the chance. In other words, Amazon is using Prime to play bait and switch games. That's intolerable.

    So no, after 1 year it's bye bye Prime. It's a very poor video service.

    1. Re:Cancelling due to crappy Prime Instant Video by hawguy · · Score: 1

      I'm not renewing my Prime membership either this year, but curiously my reasons are completely different to yours. In my case I won't renew because:

      1. The selection of films and TV shows on Prime is quite dreadful. I'm a SciFi fan, and I estimate that less than 10% of the non-retro SciFi content that I wish to watch is provided on Prime. (I'm in UK.)
      2. Content available on Prime has no permanence. You might have added a Prime film to your Watchlist and looked forward to a happy weekend's viewing, only to find that it's been removed from Prime before you had the chance. In other words, Amazon is using Prime to play bait and switch games. That's intolerable.

      So no, after 1 year it's bye bye Prime. It's a very poor video service.

      I didn't realize that anyone signed up for Prime for their streaming video, their catalog is subpar to Netflix, I just treat it as a value-add to their Prime shipping. Video quality seems fine, no worse than Netflix streaming.

      Don't blame Amazon (or Netflix) for the non-permanence of streaming titles or lack of content - both services would love to have a full movie catalog with titles that are available forever, but the studios don't want that. It'd be nice if movies had the same compulsory licensing as music does on terrestrial radio.

    2. Re:Cancelling due to crappy Prime Instant Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't realize that anyone signed up for Prime for their streaming video, their catalog is subpar to Netflix, I just treat it as a value-add to their Prime shipping.

      If Prime Instant Video were free then a poor service might be justifiable, although even then it couldn't be considered an asset if it's poor. But Amazon actually increased the cost of Prime membership when they added Prime Instant Video so in no way can it be considered free.

      What's more, they promote it heavily as a quality video service so it should stand on its own merits, but it doesn't do so. Just the opposite, its severely limited selection clearly has the purpose of dismaying users sufficiently that they are driven into purchasing paid content. Its role is that of the pusher's first fix given away for free, nothing more. And it's not even free.

      Don't blame Amazon (or Netflix) for the non-permanence of streaming titles or lack of content - both services would love to have a full movie catalog with titles that are available forever, but the studios don't want that.

      I am not a customer of the studios. I'm a customer of Amazon, and Amazon is a customer of the studios, so it's up to Amazon to negotiate a good deal for itself so that it can provide a useful video service to its Prime customers. That's purely a matter of money, and Amazon isn't exactly short of cash nor clout.

      So no, "Don't blame Amazon" is entirely wrong. The blame for Prime Instant Video being an inferior video service rests entirely with Amazon.

    3. Re:Cancelling due to crappy Prime Instant Video by hawguy · · Score: 2

      I didn't realize that anyone signed up for Prime for their streaming video, their catalog is subpar to Netflix, I just treat it as a value-add to their Prime shipping.

      If Prime Instant Video were free then a poor service might be justifiable, although even then it couldn't be considered an asset if it's poor. But Amazon actually increased the cost of Prime membership when they added Prime Instant Video so in no way can it be considered free.

      Prime Instant Video was announced in Feb, 2011, but they didn't increase the cost of Prime membership until March 2014.

      When they announced the price increase, one analyst said: he was surprised that no additional services were announced as part of the price hike, but noted that Prime’s “value to consumers has risen greatly over the past nine years, as the price has been held flat.

    4. Re:Cancelling due to crappy Prime Instant Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is not how nor when it happened in the UK. We had no Prime Instant Video prior to the date of increase.

      Quoting from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Instant_Video:

      Selected titles are offered for free to customers with an Amazon Prime subscription, a move that angered some UK consumers when it was bundled with a non-negotiable 61% increase in the subscription fee.

      Here the two things not only coincided in time but were also made an inseparable bundle and non-optional, so we had every right to expect that we were receiving something good for the very substantial increase in the money we were now paying.

      It turned out not to be so. In SciFi at least, the UK selection of titles on Prime consists primarily of dregs that are unlikely to attract direct purchase or rental. There are a few happy exceptions to this rule, but it's such a small proportion that "No blockbusters on Prime" conveys the situation quite well. And those few exceptions typically get removed from Prime status periodically to squeeze the last drops of blood from users' wallets.

      It's a very poor state of affairs, and not the mark of a quality service.

  7. Amazon Households is not ready for Prime time by ErikTheRed · · Score: 2

    Argh - I just set up my Household on Amazon... there are some issues with sharing Prime within a household, and nobody in Customer Service understands what's going on. After an hour wasted with an idiot and a supervisor I finally figured it out on my own (you have to enable Content sharing or Prime doesn't share). Most of the documentation appears to be wrong. Apparently Amazon has never heard of this whole UX testing thing... but at least I get a pun out of it.

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  8. Nickelodeon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I didn't realize that anyone signed up for Prime for their streaming video, their catalog is subpar to Netflix

    That depends on the viewers age. Since 2013 when Nickelodeon moved off Netflix and onto Amazon Prime Video, their catalog became quite good for the under-5 crowd.

  9. They better not mess with existing sharing setup by mysidia · · Score: 0

    If Amazon breaks my sharing setup, then I will cancel my Prime mebership and take my approximately $7,000 a year worth of business with them to another retailer and drop Kindle in favor of a competing eBook service. I hear there is a competing thing called ShopRunner.... sounds interesting.

  10. If you think that's bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should see what you get with the Canadian Amazon prime. Prime items ship *one* day earlier than the free shipping offered. That's it. That was my experience using it several times for a month. There's no other benefits at all. No streaming. No better pricing. Just one day earlier shipping. Typically 2 days instead of 3.

    Yup. That's it. All for $79. And it's only available to certain postal codes. Amazon prime is the biggest joke I've ever seen in my life.

  11. Re: They better not mess with existing sharing set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not. Shoprunner it pretty useless. Its free if you have an Amex card, but very few stores participate, and those that do have a very small selection of elligible items.

  12. Jet.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their competition is on the mark and ready to go. Much cleaner site and everything on jet.com is cheaper.

    1. Re:Jet.com by bjwest · · Score: 1

      Yeah... "Look for the blue starry things" made me want to sign up right away.

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  13. Re:Prime is for cows. USDA cows. by thunderclap · · Score: 1, Funny

    You are all USDA Prime cows. USDA Prime cows say moo. MOOOOOOOOO! MOOOOOOOO! Moo USDA Prime cows MOOOOOOO! Moo say the USDA Prime cows. YOU PRIME COWS!!

    This is awesome because:

    To the Hindu, the cow symbolizes all other creatures. The cow is a symbol of the Earth, the nourisher, the ever-giving, undemanding provider. The cow represents life and the sustenance of life. The cow is so generous, taking nothing but water, grass and grain. It gives and gives and gives of its milk, as does the liberated soul give of his spiritual knowledge. The cow is so vital to life, the virtual sustainer of life, for many humans. The cow is a symbol of grace and abundance. Veneration of the cow instils in Hindus the virtues of gentleness, receptivity and connectedness with nature.

  14. Re: They better not mess with existing sharing set by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    Yeah when amazon bumped the price from $79 to $99 shoprunner ran a special all you had to do was send them your amazon prime receipt and they would give you a free year of shoprunner.

    Shoprunner only covers 3 stores I have ever bought online from newegg, tiger direct and staples.

    I did not even bother to sign up since then ive bought 5 ink ribbons from staples (that was enough to qualify for free ship) because I haven't found anywhere else that can keep fresh dot matrix ink ribbons.

    But that's about it I just don't need the things they sell all that often.

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  15. Is this a problem? by Zen · · Score: 2

    I'm not seeing the issue with this. I read through all the replies up to now, and it appears to me that people are complaining about services they're taking for granted.
    I live next to a major us city. Chicago to be specific. I order lots of things, and they get delivered very quickly. I do not have problems with prime shipments taking 4 or 5 days like a couple peoe complained about, but didn't say where they live. I purchased prime solely for the shipping bonuses.
    People are complaining about shipping and comparing it to super saver, but the last time I looked there is a minimum purchase price for free super saver. With prime I can buy a single item that costs $4 and have it shipped, and I get it in a couple days. I do not have to store my purchases in a shopping cart until I have enough to qualify. The immediate shipping is the single biggest benefit.
    I also cut the TV cable cord last year. I now do Netflix and prime plus plex and that's it. I use roku, and it works great! Many of the movies I could watch on amazon are also available on Netflix which is my primary TV platform, so I rarely watch stream from amazon. But comparing Netflix to amazon is not relevant. Compare amazon prime streaming to not having any streaming, and you'll see that this is a pretty huge benefit that is thrown in with the faster shipping I paid for.
    I have three kindles, but I have never used their kindle book services. Maybe some of the books I read are available there, but they're also available in other places including my public library which has a method to check out kindle books.
    I get no benefit from amazon music, but its fairly new and I can't hold that against them.
    The original article makes it sound like people that were sharing amazon prime membership with friends are getting screwed. So what? It can be shared within a household, meaning whatever your definition of family is. If you cannot share a credit card, you're probably not family. You're basically abusing amazon prime services, and shouldn't be sharing an account.
    I don't see an issue with amazon clamping down on people that are unrelated and shouldn't have been sharing a single account, and I think they provide a pretty decent value for the money. Maybe it's not a fantastic value if you only buy big ticket items that get free shipping anyway and don't use any of their streaming services, but it is a pretty good value for those of us that only buy one or two small things at a time, whenever we think about it night or day multiple times a week. We get prompt, free (prepaid) shipping on our small purchases and its awesome!

    1. Re:Is this a problem? by Enigma2175 · · Score: 1

      With prime I can buy a single item that costs $4 and have it shipped

      Not any more. Most things in that price range are now "add-on" items for Prime, you need to be buying something else in order to purchase them. Today I was looking to buy some spark plugs from Amazon and almost all of them that were Prime eligible were add-ons. Also, anything that is Prime eligible is always more expensive. It isn't really free shipping, they just add the shipping cost to the price. At best, Prime is a free upgrade to 2 day shipping.

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  16. Also there are some Prime Exclusive items on Amazo by ayesnymous · · Score: 0

    There are items on Amazon now that say "Exclusively for Prime Members". So if you don't have Prime, they won't even let you order it. Unless you pay that $99 surcharge. What a business Amazon is running, they don't even want to take your money.

  17. Highly unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazon decides to crack down on it

    Maybe at the time of renewing, but it is highly unlikely that existing prime sharing would stop working one fine day.

  18. And you'll miss them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    more than they miss you. As sad as it may sound a $7K/yr customer is essentially small potatoes (while certainly more valuable than that dude who only shows up twice a year to buy something at a rare loss-leader type price, uses multiple accounts in order to exceed quantity limits, and uses the free shipping combined with gift option as a way to "drop ship" the items to third parties when reselling, and then whines to customer service that the item was missing from the box and they need it reshipped, let alone they used to use the "pay by check" option which used to allow the order to be held awaiting payment, until their sale completed on the auction site, then they'd switch to credit card and pay so it would ship when they wanted, etc).

    Further, if you are using sharing in a way that would actually be significantly broken in any meaningful way by the (alleged, I haven't heard anything) changes, then you're probably already violating their policies, in which case you're even less attractive to them as a customer than you otherwise would be.

    I didn't like them discontinuing the price protection/match policy, but my credit card has one anyway. I didn't love the price increase for Prime, but it's still a very good deal for me since I both order a lot and also use the streaming. I wasn't thrilled when the first subscribe and save order stopped being 2-day delivery for Prime members, but it just takes a bit more planning. I wasn't crazy about items getting excluded from Prime 2-day or the price increase for overnight or weekend delivery on many items, but it's still a fraction of what the shipment would actually cost an individual, even including the cost of Prime itself spread across even a moderate number of shipments.

    I can see why they've been making these various policy changes and price increases over the years. Some people have been gaming the system, and that's not fair to anyone who plays by the rules. It's why we can't have nice things. Some asshat "extreme couponers/slickdealers" always have to screw it up for everyone else.

    In short, Amazon and Prime is still good value for the money. I've consistently had excellent results with customer service, and pricing is as good or better than anywhere else on the items I buy most if I use a little care and timing. If something costs significantly less elsewhere, I need it right away, and getting it there isn't extremely inconvenient or risky, then I just buy it there instead, but for me that's the exception and not the rule. Most of my (non-perishable) purchases these days come from Amazon. If I cancelled Prime, I'd buy a lot less in general rather than shifting the purchases elsewhere, because it's _that_ much better (for me at least). That's actually the only reason I might one day cancel. It's so dang convenient and attractively priced and pleasant to deal with that I simply buy too much; sometimes more than I need. As such, it could start to become very problematic if my disposable income unexpectedly decreased.

  19. Re:They better not mess with existing sharing setu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol good luck with your pointless self flagellation.