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MH370: Fragment Is From Missing Flight

hcs_$reboot writes: The plane part (the flaperon) that was found on a beach in the Indian Ocean on Réunion island was determined to be part of MH370, the Malaysia Airlines flight that vanished more than a year ago. Some experts have postulated that the damage suggests the flaperon may have been deployed when the plane hit the water, meaning that someone in the cockpit was consciously manipulating the controls. The Malaysian Prime Minister said at a press conference "We now have physical evidence that ... Flight MH370 tragically ended in the Southern Indian Ocean.".

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  1. Re:Solves part of the mystery. by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    (911 Truther response)

    The jet fuel didn't. It actually burned off rather quickly. But it did start a fire. What were the Twin Towers? Massive office buildings, with massive paper stores. Paper burning hot for hours was able to weaken the steel.

  2. Re:Solves part of the mystery. by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's a helluva lot of other volatiles in an office building. I'm looking at my office, seeing office furniture, clothing, plastics, heck probably even the carpet when the temperatures get high enough. Fires have destroyed other steel-framed buildings, so why exactly would the Trade Towers be exempt?

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  3. Re:Solves part of the mystery. by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And more to the point, people are confused about what needed to happen. The steel beams didn't need to "melt," per se. They just needed to soften enough to then buckle, and that's that.

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  4. Re: Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not so. More people get killed commuting to and from airports than they do flying, even though that's the shorter distance.

    And one of the more recent air crashes had 2 casualties. One of whom was run over by a rescue vehicle while on the ground.

    Airplane crash rates are at an all-time low and survivability is at an all-time high. However, the sheer number of people who can be killed in one incident makes them noteworthy.

    Kind of like the WTC attack. Considerably more people died on the US highways that year than did in the planes and towers, but 9/11 caused us to shred a good-sized chunk of the 200+ year old hard-won freedom that Bin Laden so hated, whereas we didn't bat an eye at the highway carnage. Unless we happened to either be involved in one, related to one or rubbernecked one.

  5. Re:Solves part of the mystery. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1, Insightful

    And more to the point, only a few beams needed to lose structural integrity from fire, collision, whatnot.

    Those buildings were really not designed to protect against that level of failure.

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  6. Re:Solves part of the mystery. by bobbied · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is exactly right. All that was needed was to weaken the tensile strength of the structural steal enough to compromise the structure. In the WTC, the temperature that was required to collapse a floor beam was not that high and well within what could reasonably be the contents of the building.

    What happened in this case is that the airplane fuel started the fire which collapsed the floors above.. Once the falling floors above exceeded the load capacity of the intact floor at the bottom, the whole building pancaked as the mass of the floors above started falling though the lower ones.

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  7. Re:Who cares? by jabuzz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wrong airplanes are seen as a "safe" mode of transport as a consequence of how the statistics are generated/reported.

    Almost all airplane crashes occur during take off or landing. Once at cruising altitude the number of crashes are very low per mile/km travelled. In effect a flight from London to Paris is almost as dangerous as a flight from London to New York. The statistics however are presented as the number of fatalities per million km/mile travelled.

    On other modes of transport such as car and train the chances of an accident are much more evenly distributed along the length of the journey.

    If you took these differences into account air travel becomes much more dangerous than is portrayed by the airline industry.

  8. Re:Who cares? by Skidborg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think you're failing to understand how the statistics work. It doesn't matter how the deaths are spread out along the millions of miles, it's the same number of deaths.

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  9. Re: Who cares? by quenda · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the 200+ year old hard-won freedom that Bin Laden so hated,

    Please spare us the outdated cold-war rhetoric. Al-Qaeda and the Mujahideen started in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
    Their anger with the US had nothing to do with domestic freedoms and everything to do with US foreign policy. What do the Soviets and US have in common? Not freedom. Al Qaeda was not bombing other liberal democracies. Yes they are horrible nasty people, but they really couldn't care less about your "freedoms".

    Sorry for the OT rant. Yes, airlines are safe, and I'd happily fly on Malaysian airlines again. (Its their neighbours in Indonesia who have the relatively poor safety record.)

  10. Re:Who cares? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There were multiple failures in that chain. Lubitz was found unfit to fly and was told as much. He was then given a note to pass on to his employer. He didn't, was able to lock the captain out of the cockpit, and crashed the plane.

    The failures included, at a minimum, the apparent lack of procedure for doctors to directly notify the airline and pilot certification authority that they were revoking his medical, and lack of procedure requiring that two people be in the cockpit at all times. A direct notification of the airline or pilot certification authority at the time of the revocation (like, before he even left the building) or a requirement that a flight attendant be in the cockpit when one of the pilots is outside it probably would have prevented this.

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