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Starting Now At Netflix: Unlimited Maternity and Paternity Leave

vivaoporto writes: Netflix announced Tuesday that, during the first year after their child's birth or adoption, employees will be able to take off however long they feel they need to. They can return on a full- or part-time basis, and even take subsequent time off later in the year if needed. Netflix will "keep paying them normally." Time comments that Netflix's policy "deserves high marks for extending leave to fathers, as well as understanding that the entire first year after childbirth can be challenging for new parents".

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  1. Unlimited for one year by Lumpio- · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not really unlimited if it's limited to a year now is it. Bad title. Commendable policy though, much better than what many places offer.

    1. Re:Unlimited for one year by jittles · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's not really unlimited if it's limited to a year now is it. Bad title. Commendable policy though, much better than what many places offer.

      If it's anything like my brother's company's "Unlimited Vacation Time" policy, it's a scam. He used to have 5 weeks of vacation time every year. He could pretty much always get approved for all that time. Now he has "unlimited" time, with managerial approval. His company did a trial of the policy with a limited number of employees and found that people take 30-40% less vacation time, on average, when they do not have a set amount of time off. The point of the change in policy was to make everyone think they were working for a great company while at the same time giving the employees less time off. Sure there are employees that end up coming out ahead, but most employees feel guilty about asking for time off when they aren't pulling from a fixed pool of leave.

    2. Re:Unlimited for one year by supremebob · · Score: 5, Funny

      I never understood why they give you all of this parental time off during the first year, when the baby spends a lot of time sleeping and is mostly stationary. In parenting terms, that year isn't the hardest one to handle unless the baby is colicky and can't sleep well.

      They should REALLY give you the extra time off when the kid is two years old and is trying to break anything that isn't either locked up or three feet off the ground every time you turn your back on them.

      Forget Maternity and Paternity Leave... Give me Toddler Leave, dammit!

    3. Re:Unlimited for one year by operagost · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's unlimited like your AT&T 4G data plan is unlimited...

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    4. Re:Unlimited for one year by The-Ixian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is exactly the point of doing the "unlimited" time off policies.

      Sort of the same as "pay what you want" services or products.

      Guilt is a powerful emotion.

      The company can say they have "unlimited" x and employees feel proud to have "unlimited" x and people who abuse the system will be dealt with... all around win by simple exploitation of guilt...

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    5. Re:Unlimited for one year by Agent0013 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The other point is that Netflix has a policy of firing people who do normal/acceptable/average work. On public radio this morning I was listening to them speak about the new policy as well as the unlimited vacation time. Here is the relevant quote.

      Netflix's theory is that if you want to have incredible employees, you should treat employees like adults. And, you know, they actually put it in terms that is really almost that blunt, and that means giving your employees a lot of freedom, a lot of responsibility. And then if they fail to live up to that trust or if they fail to perform - and not just perform adequately but perform exceptionally - the company says you should get rid of them. So they make a practice of firing people. There's this legendary slide deck that the CEO, Reed Hastings, shared publically about this philosophy. And in one slide, you know, it says, like every company, we try to hire well. Unlike most companies, average performance gets a generous severance package.

      So if you take your vacation, you had better be working through it or you will appear to be less exceptional than the other people there and end up without a job. In the end you will take less, or even no vacation because you need to work your ass off to stay employed with them. Not such a nice policy when viewed from that angle. Looks good in the papers though!

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  2. Netflix does a "Norway" by dubidub · · Score: 5, Informative

    So, more or less how it is for everyone here in Norway.

  3. Netflix already had that policy for holidays by tommeke100 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Take as much holidays as you want, come to work when you want, etc...
    Check this presentation about the Netflix Culture (http://www.slideshare.net/reed2001/culture-1798664?from=ss_embed).
    Basically they want high performers, and if that means you perform high coming to work 20 hrs a week, so be it. It also means if you're pulling 80 hrs a week and are just getting by, that's not enough. You don't get an A+ for "trying hard", you get an A+ for achieving high performance. That's all that matters.

    1. Re:Netflix already had that policy for holidays by Shados · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One thing about Netflix though, is that they readily fire low performers.

      Something that used to be common place a few years ago, is now the exception more than the norm. Once someone is passed their 3 months, no one fires anybody in engineering anymore, instead attempting to coach people into place, even if they're making absurd salaries. (Giving the 10 bucks an hour clerk a chance, sure. Giving the underperforming 160k/year dude a chance after failing to meet expectations for 6 months...thats silly).

      Anyway, since Netflix has a culture if firing those people, anyone who is left is probably worth trying to keep.

  4. At Comcast, we agree. by nimbius · · Score: 5, Funny

    Speaking as an executive at comcast, where our bundled services provide savings and the dark lord reigns supreme on throne of bleached bone, We've had similar perks for our staff for quite some time now. Among our generous benefits are:

    unlimited child sequestration: If you've recently had a child, you're welcome to bring them to work and store them conveniently inside the 'b' compartment of the second floor copier. Older Comcast employees might know this as the waste toner bin (it has been made child friendly.)
    the paternal mines: Did you recently have a child and are wanting to spend more time with them? Head down to the fourth floor (past brittanies cubicle) and into the insufferable mines of the black goat with a hundred lips. There, you'll enjoy the warm aroma of burnt flesh amidst the screams and wails of countless babes. take advantage of our open door policy while youre there and get to know Comcasticles, the dark lord to which we all pray, and who feasts upon the marrow of so many broken. Manilla envelopes have also been moved here to make room for the new fax machine upstairs.

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  5. Re:Sure it can work by BVis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it's so hard to do, why are we the only western country that doesn't provide any guaranteed paid maternity/paternity leave AT ALL? There are small companies in Europe, and if it's available for both men AND women then that mitigates the hiring bias you are concerned about. There is already some hiring bias against women based on the possibility that they may become pregnant; I don't think this would make that any worse. Pregnant women are also a protected class for the purposes of hiring/firing decisions.

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  6. Re:Sure it can work by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Informative

    Other than that, if the government mandates employers pay for such long leaves, it will hugely penalize small companies, and prospective employment of women.

    Yeah that's why small businesses don't exist in the scandinavias, or canada, or basically everywhere else in the entire fucking world where they have not only universal healthcare of some form but also meaningful parental leave.

    Also giving fathers paternity leave equal to a mother's maternity leave, and making sure they take it, is in fact the only way to not affect women's employment any.

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  7. Re:Sure it can work by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't figure out why so many people in the US think that is somehow a bad thing.

    The reason many think generous (or even just minimal) maternity/paternity leave is a bad thing is that some folks are solely focused on businesses. The employees working for the businesses are viewed as cogs in the machine whose only purpose is to churn out more profits. Any time off means that the cogs aren't functioning during that time which could mean the overall machine might not churn out quite as much profits. This is, in their view, a bad thing so any time off for the cogs is viewed negatively.

    This doesn't just extend to maternity/paternity leave, you see this attitude in companies where taking ANY time off is viewed as bad or where you can take time off but you'd better bring your laptop and phone with you so you can answer e-mails while on vacation. This also gets perverted into the "death march" at some software companies where the cogs... I mean employees are worked 80 hour days to get a product out. The management figures that if the cogs get burnt out from overuse, they can just ditch them and replace them with new ones. They might even be able to replace them for ones that will work for less money and complain less about being overworked.

    Keep spinning, cogs. You've got a profit to generate!

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  8. Re:Just Great...prices to increase now??? by Scottingham · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Clue #1: a minimum wage job isn't something you should live off of. It is expressly for teenagers and for folks who use it as a stepping stone or fallback until something better comes along.
    ---Shouldn't be, but is. Reality sucks. We have people in their adult years working fast food. It is a fantasy that only teens should be 'flipping burgers'.

    Clue #2: these jobs usually require little-to-no skill, and consequently do not bear the value of $15/hr at current inflation/valuation.
    ---Neither does working at a factory in many cases, but that seemed to be deemed 'middle class worthy' in the 60s-70s where a single worker could support an entire family. What you're saying is 'you deserve to be destitute, you unskilled scum'.

    Clue #3: when you price human labor too high, automation becomes more attractive. There are already machines that can effectively replace fast-food cashiers, and are cheaper to operate and maintain than $15/hr people. There are also machines coming online that can operate the back-end of a fast food joint as well, which will also just come under the wire as being cheaper (but would come out ahead by being reliable, on-time, etc.)
    ---Can't argue with that. Automation is coming, regardless of where the minimum wage is. No doubt that raising it to $15 /hr would hasten that. All the more reason to support things like a basic income now (perhaps with some civil service requirement), since the mass unemployment problem is only going to get worse.

    Clue #4: sucks to say it, but no one owes you a living -anything, let alone a "living wage" (whatever that means). Safety nets and charity are for those unable to help themselves, and obviously for those among us in temporary desperate situations, but that's it. Meanwhile, if you are able-bodied and not mentally defective, then it is up to you to better yourself by any legal means possible.
    ---Ah yes, the 'brutalist' libertarian view. I guess that's where we differ. I'm for treating all people with respect, and providing a safe place to live/eat/prosper. Not 'too bad, so sad, fuck off.' Ideally, regardless of borders, but that's more of a long term thing. You seem to still think that if you're 'able bodied' there is good work available, and you're just lazy if you don't grab it. I'd consider that pretty naive given the population explosion the world has experienced in the past 50 years alone.

    Where/how do we pay for all of this idealism? It's pretty obvious that money is essentially made up and totally fiat. It's also pretty obvious that a tiny tiny percentage of people hoard a crazy-huge sum of that money. Arguably, keeping it out of circulation avoids hyperinflation and all that. Considering that over 70% of our economy is consumer-driven, wouldn't giving those consumers more money to...consume with...the economy would benefit immensely? I think such benefits would far outweigh any inflationary risks, but I'm no economist.