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Fantastic Four Reboot Released To Tepid Reception

An anonymous reader writes: Another month, another superhero movie based on the Marvel universe. Today marked the release of Fantastic Four, an attempt to reboot a film franchise that did poorly in the theaters as recently as 2007. This isn't the same crew that's been pushing out blockbuster after blockbuster, though — it's the crew that keeps releasing mediocre X-Men flicks. From early reviews, it looks like we can expect to see another reboot in 2025. Rolling Stone calls it "the cinematic equivalent of malware," saying that even a solid cast of actors couldn't save it from failure. A.V. Club says it "struggles to fill out its relatively brief runtime," the NY Times says even its special effects aren't up to snuff. Metacritic shows rare agreement between fans (27/100) and critics (2.7/10), and it does just as poorly on Rotten Tomatoes. Even director Josh Trank seemed to have a problem with the film. Those who have seen it, what did you think?

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  1. Waiting for Fantastic Five myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    One more!

    1. Re:Waiting for Fantastic Five myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm waiting for Fantastic Sex... um... Six...

    2. Re:Waiting for Fantastic Five myself by davester666 · · Score: 1

      It's been done, but I understand you hesitation at getting involved with your own mother.

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    3. Re:Waiting for Fantastic Five myself by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Ben Grimm has a... stoner?!

  2. #FixApocalypse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #FixApocalypse

  3. moviebob by bosef1 · · Score: 0

    moviebob also does not like it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22xbTzn89Qo

    1. Re:moviebob by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      Moviebob doesn't like anything.

  4. Dr. Doom AGAIN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mole Man. Wizard. Blastaar. There are plenty of big villains. Why keep rehashing Doom and doing it wrong?

    1. Re:Dr. Doom AGAIN by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seriously, Mole Man? Menace level: "Oh no, he's going to eat my petunia bulbs and make holes in my lawn!"

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    2. Re:Dr. Doom AGAIN by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's kind of my reaction to most Marvel characters in general - they're on the lame side. And when it comes to the Fantastic Four, I even thought they were lame back when I was a kid. Stretchy Guy? Girl Who Can Hide Really Well? Angry Stone Dude? Give me a break... the Human Torch should just walk away and go solo.

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    3. Re:Dr. Doom AGAIN by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      More like "Oh no, he can cause the collapse of pretty much any building, commands an army of underground monsters, and has technological knowledge centuries ahead of ours."

    4. Re:Dr. Doom AGAIN by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Both the Human torch and Ben Grim developed into their own magazines, but as I remember even the FF magazines were the Ben and Johnny show.

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    5. Re: Dr. Doom AGAIN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      None of them are Doom. Doctor Doom. Producers, Directors, Writers, they can't get past that. Victor von Doom is the signature bad guy. Same with Superman, they want to put him up against Lex Luthor.

      But you are right. They don't get Doom at all. Doom doesn't want wealth. If Doom broke into a bank vault, Doom wouldn't care about the money. Doom would take something else. Like a paperclip. Doom doesn't want power either. What? Of course Doom wants power you say...no, Doom does not. Doom uses power.

      Doom is the superior man. Doom shows that to feeble Richards all the time. Who saved Richards's wife and daughter? Doom. Who rebuilt Latveria? Doom. Who helped Ben Grimm restore his human appearance? Doom.

      Thus the problem is that Doom needs to be shown as the hero of the story.

      Yet instead that goes to a pathetic tale about some dead space marine.

    6. Re:Dr. Doom AGAIN by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the kind of opponent Aquaman could deal with, perhaps the only kind of villain Aquaman can defeat, besides Cardboard Box Man, Pizza Delivery Man, and Congress Man.

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    7. Re: Dr. Doom AGAIN by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think it's that complex.

      Fox may simply not have licensed enough villains from the Fantastic Four comics. For all we know, their licensing is for the four primary characters and for their origin stories, and for villains from a specific range of comic books, and a prohibition on introducing new main villains that were not featured in those comics.

      I don't see why they keep rebooting these franchises. Rise of the Silver Surfer did not so horribly damage the franchise as to make it completely necessary to abandon the storyline established in the Ioan Gruffudd and Jessica Alba version, and one of the few things that the Batman movies showed us is that it was possible to change actors every few movies and still have a continuous franchise. Granted, Batman did eventually jump the shark to the point that a reboot was required, but the Keaton, Kilmer, and Clooney movies are one somewhat contiguous set. Even in the Marvel-controlled Cinematic Universe some characters have been played by other actors and the audience has accepted this.

      If they didn't want to continue to cast Gruffudd, Alba, Evans, and Chiklis they didn't have to actually reboot the universe in order to bring in new actors. Some would argue that such a movie might not be as successful as the studio wanted, but what they've created with this reboot is apparently worse than either of the previous movies. Hell, if it's this poorly received then perhaps Sony should release the rights back to Marvel, maybe they can actually make something of it.

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    8. Re:Dr. Doom AGAIN by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Seriously, Mole Man? Menace level: "Oh no, he's going to eat my petunia bulbs and make holes in my lawn!"

      You forget the kaiju that The Mole Man also controlled. Considering that part of the charm of the comic book FF was the over the top aspect of their villains, they probably would have been good to go with something a little out there, but entertaining. Sort of like the Guardians of the Galaxy movie, they probably should have embraced the kitch and over the top aspect. It is, after all, a group where the lead guy can stretch.

    9. Re: Dr. Doom AGAIN by Gaygirlie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was actually thinking while reading these reviews that someone should instead make a movie where Doom is the protagonist. Doom is an interesting character in so many different ways; he is motivated by the need to be a better man than anyone else, including himself, and to make the world around him better, but he keeps headbutting with the "actual heroes" because they don't understand him, they don't even want to understand him, and he is willing to use more drastic methods to bring about his utopia than these "actual heroes" are willing to let him. Even when he becomes a literal god, saves the universe from a collapse and makes the world a wonderful place for people to live he still can't chug down the feelings of inferiority compared to what he thinks he could still become nor are the "heroes" still willing to look past his exterior and see who he is for real.

      There's just so MUCH potential there, it could be a very deep movie and flipping the viewpoint around like that to revolve around the anti-hero instead would definitely interest a lot of people. But nooooo, Hollywood just wants to push out easy, mediocre crap :S

    10. Re: Dr. Doom AGAIN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see why they keep rebooting these franchises. Rise of the Silver Surfer did not so horribly damage the franchise as to make it completely necessary to abandon the storyline established... ...if it's this poorly received then perhaps Sony should release the rights back to Marvel, maybe they can actually make something of it.

      I wish. After Guardians of the Galaxy I'd really like to see a Silver Surfer film.

    11. Re:Dr. Doom AGAIN by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem that I’m pointing out is that only die-hard fans of the comic will know that, and to everyone else in the world a mole is a small, blind furry creature that can easily be bested with a shovel. “Dr Doom” on the other hand sounds like someone who means business and has the qualifications to pull it off, so he’s much better from a marketing perspective.

      (In reality I suspect Fox was too cheap to license any other characters)

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    12. Re:Dr. Doom AGAIN by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2

      Hey, Congress Man is an evil bastard who can destroy the lives of millions with virtual impunity. Totally out of Fishstickboy’s league.

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    13. Re:Dr. Doom AGAIN by kuzb · · Score: 1
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    14. Re:Dr. Doom AGAIN by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Â"Oh no, he's going to eat my petunia bulbs and make holes in my lawn!"

      Considering that your user name is "Farmer Tim", I'd think you'd be a little more concerned.

    15. Re: Dr. Doom AGAIN by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > I don't see why they keep rebooting these franchises.

      Replace whatever word they are using: reboot / remake / reimagining / regurgitating / recasting / etc,

      And replaced with it these: recash grab

        --> Money

      Hollywood keeps recycling the same old crap. Because it sells.

      * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Robin Hood has been remade 11 times!

    16. Re: Dr. Doom AGAIN by TWX · · Score: 1

      Robin Hood is also in the public domain, and anyone is free to tell their own story about Robin Hood with their own bias.

      The Fantastic Four is a specific series of work that has been licensed by a single entity. The entity that has licensed it is not free to do whatever, but they are free to continue the existing story or to tell stories that they've licensed from the print version. Instead they reboot.

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    17. Re: Dr. Doom AGAIN by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point. The issue isn't whether something or not is in the public domain. It is about the _frequency_ of re-releasing the same crap over, and over again.

      When the same generic story keeps getting retold every ~10 years, there is only 1 reason for it: greed

      Seriously, how many times do we need to keep seeing the same bloody story? The pure stupidity of Jurasic World, along with all the remakes Spiderman and Batman are perfect examples of that.

      More explosions, more CG, more lens flares, and unfortunately less good acting, and less intelligent plot. That's the typical hollywood regurgitation.

    18. Re: Dr. Doom AGAIN by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      Most of the time what you said is correct. It does make me think of the Disney Maleficent movie from 2014 though. It is pretty much what you said, shown from the "Bad Guy's" perspective and you see they really aren't out to be bad, they are just misunderstood or are angry and acting out. Now that I think about it, there was also the play or musical about the wicked witch from Oz called Wicked that was similar.

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  5. Just sell the rights back to Marvel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No one likes your crappy reimaginings.

  6. If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you don't have riveting hero(s), you darned well better have an awesome presentation.

    Iron Man is kind of interesting. Batman's cool. Spiderman even, and many of the X-Men. The general public will usually risk those.

    But when you start getting into "WHO?" territory, like Guardians of the Galaxy or the upcoming Deadpool, you need an incredible presentation to draw attention. GotG had that. Deadpool looks like it's going to be great. Point is, the further you stray from well-known characters into comic culture, you need a movie so cool that people who don't care about the characters will find it interesting. I still only know GotG as "Starlord, Groot, the funny raccoon, green Zoe Saldana and some red guy. But I'd pay to watch a sequel in a heartbeat.

    I don't see F4 having that... zing.

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    1. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Funny you should say that. Fantastic Four used to be a huge franchise for Marvel. In film, it has failed again and again.

    2. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She can be any color she wants. And I am ok with it. 8^)

    3. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To be fair, Jessica Alba as Sue Storm had EPIC FAIL written all over it from the first press release. And she certainly didn't disappoint - in the epic fail category. I'd rather pretend those two movies didn't exist at all, and pretend that this is the remake of the Roger Corman Fantastic Four origin story, which wasn't half bad in comparison.

    4. Re: If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is unfortunate, because Michael Chiklis is awesome. He was so dedicated to bring The Thing to life in a real and tangible manner, that he say through several hours of makeup, every single day, to apply the costume.

      Chris Evans turned in a good performance as torch, as well. I prefer him as Cap'n A, but he pulled off brash very well.

      Those two were on point. Sue, Richard and Doom were all completely forgettable.

    5. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      If you don't have riveting hero(s), you darned well better have an awesome presentation.

      I disagree. Superheroes are, by and large, boring. They're the good guys! They do good things. Whoopee.

      It's the bad guys that really give movies and shows their depth. Incidentally, this is also what keeps a lot of marvel movies from being great; the hero is "meh", and the bad guy is "meh". Thor 2? Iron Man 2?

      But when the villain is interesting and dynamic? It can save an otherwise blah movie. Case in point; The Dark Knight, with Heath Ledger's Joker. Sans Joker, the movie would have been "ok". Ledger made that movie great.

      Heroes can only ever be as interesting as their antagonistic foils.

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    6. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Uh...You are aware she plays Lt. Uhura? And she played Anamaria in Pirates of the Caribbean?

    7. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Heroes can only ever be as interesting as their antagonistic foils.

      Well, it depends.

      I always say, you can have interesting characters or an interesting story. If you have both, you really have something!

      The first Iron Man is a neat example. It's considered a very good superhero movie, but the villains--either the terrorist guy or Tony's partner--are pretty weak. But Tony Stark is an interesting character and Robert Downey Jr. did a great job portraying him. Guardians had a pretty lame bad guy, but the characters were fun enough that we let it slide. I actually kind of like what they did in Iron Man 3 with the "bad guy," but I was not all that invested in the comic book version to really know what I was missing (and I like that Marvel went in and ret-conned it in a one-shot).

    8. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by kbrannen · · Score: 1

      Really? I much preferred the first (2005) version over the the one I saw today. Fortunately for me, someone else paid for the ticket; I'm glad I didn't. Really, no Stan Lee cameo and no teaser scene after the credits? Was this really made by Marvel?

    9. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by Radish03 · · Score: 1

      Was this really made by Marvel?

      No, this would be 20th Century Fox, who retains the film rights to FF (and X-Men) so long as they keep making the movies. So it's not really any surprise how this turned out when a primary motivation for making the movie was "If we don't, then Marvel gets to."

    10. Re: If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      I second this, Michael Chiklis did a very compelling good job of Vic Mackey in The Shield TV series.

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    11. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by ihtoit · · Score: 2

      couldn't tell what colour Uhura was due to the lens flares, and what's this Pirates thing?

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    12. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Iron Man is kind of interesting. Batman's cool. Spiderman even, and many of the X-Men.
      > The general public will usually risk those.

      The public will risk them - but not because they are interesting, just because the names are familiar. Because damn! are those guys getting boooooring. Reboot after reboot after reboot. Those characters don't have much more to their character than their names anymore. Its like the blockbusters are just coasting on name recognition rather than anything engaging.

      Even if the no-name superhero movies are dull, at least the characters are something new. I feel like we are well past peak superhero nowadays. Or at least peak branded superhero.

    13. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just admit that you were wrong, not funny, and move on.

    14. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Jessica Alba as Sue Storm had EPIC FAIL written all over it from the first press release.

      Why?

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    15. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because she can't act very well.

    16. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Hell, the character Violet in The Incredibles was a better Sue Storm than Sue Storm (let alone Jessica Alba) will ever be.

      For that matter, The Incredibles was a better Fantastic Four than any of the Fantastic Four movies, even though Johnny Torch.. er, Jak Jak was just a baby. And when I was a kid, FF was my favourite of the Marvel comics. (Not saying much, I'm a DC guy from the Silver Age.)

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    17. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Aisha in The Losers, co-starring with Chris Evans who played Torch in a previous version of Fantastic Four.

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    18. Re:If you don't have riveting hero(s).... by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Which is why a Fantastic Four flop is so stupid. They have one of the greatest villains of all time: Doom.

      Just make the movie about Doom. Pluck one of the story arcs from the comics where he does something amazing, like defeat every single super hero in the marvel universe, or passes the Jaguar God's test of purity of soul because he truly, honestly, believes the horrific things he does he MUST do to save humanity. These things actually happened...if I weren't on mobile I'd link pages.

      Doom has never been done right on screen, and could be amazing. With a decent writer, director, and actor...you could have another Dark Knight on your hands. Doom is that good a villain. Because...he's not a villain. He's somebody who's burdened with horrific choices. Kind of like Magneto. That's what makes him so interesting. You can't blame somebody who's lived through one genocice for refusing to sit through another.

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  7. The only reboot/reprise/sequal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm looking forward to is Blade Runner. The wifey and I went and saw Mad Max: Fury Road and it was a blazing disappointment. Nothing but CGI, unlike the original three. Movies from the late 70s and early 80s are generally my favourites, including animated films like Secret of Nimh, Heavy Metal, etc. Does anything ever really touch Raiders of the Lost Ark?

    I want to see movies with zero CGI. It's not needed unless the movie is based on stuff that doesn't exist, like the Transformers. Road Warrior had zero CGI and was a brilliant movie. Still is.

    1. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 5, Informative

      You really need to watch the behind the scenes features for Fury Road. Sure, there was some big obvious CGI (the giant sand storm) but for about 90% of the movie, the things you expect to be CGI (the car crashes, explosions, insane stunts) are real, and the CGI is limited to fleshing out the wasteland background and erasing some safety equipment.

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    2. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by Wraithlyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Um, I'm sorry but you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

      Mad Max: Fury Road used an incredible amount of practical FX and stunt-work, 80% was practical according to IMDB.

      All the vehicles are real. All the chase sequences and crashes and explosions are real. They mostly just used CGI to dress up backgrounds, and for Theron's mechanical arm... that's about it. All the "action" is real.

      We're in full agreement on Raiders of the Lost Ark though... greatest movie ever made.

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    3. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by Pubstar · · Score: 2

      I have to say as someone who has never watched a Mad Max film, Fury Road blew me away. So little dialogue, but the story was so fleshed out without it anyways. The lack of CGI made it amazing as well. Cant forget the lack of Shaky-Cam and fast cuts too. Nice, long shots of all the action - that is something missing in today's action films.

    4. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by dj245 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You really need to watch the behind the scenes features for Fury Road. Sure, there was some big obvious CGI (the giant sand storm) but for about 90% of the movie, the things you expect to be CGI (the car crashes, explosions, insane stunts) are real, and the CGI is limited to fleshing out the wasteland background and erasing some safety equipment.

      It is a breathtaking movie precisely because it is so real. Action movie fans have been saturated with CGI for so long, we hardly know what the real thing is anymore. Most recent superhero movies have been a big yawn for me. It's all fake and the actors are not really in a scary situation. Nothing brings out good acting like actually driving at high speed through the desert with actual explosions and crashes all around you.

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    5. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you should view this: Does CG Suck Or Do We Only Notice Sucky CG?

    6. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The wifey and I went and saw Mad Max: Fury Road and it was a blazing disappointment. Nothing but CGI, unlike the original three

      Um, try it without the LSD next time, maybe.

    7. Re: The only reboot/reprise/sequal by jxander · · Score: 2
      They actually used almost NO CGI for Mad Max.

      Every vehicle crash was a real vehicle getting really crashed. When guys were dangling precariously from poles attached to moving cars in the movie, stunt guys were ACTUALLY doing that exact thing.

      And the Doof; with his flame spewing guitar and wall of speakers ... yeah, all real. They actually made a 100+ lb. electric guitar that spewed real and actual flames 20 feet out. And they actually strapped that guitar to a mobile wall of amplifiers and drove around blasting music and spewing flames.

      There was, of course, a little but if cgi cleaning up the backgrounds, and amputating Charlize Theron's arm ... But everything else, real as real can be.

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    8. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by TWX · · Score: 1

      It is a breathtaking movie precisely because it is so real. Action movie fans have been saturated with CGI for so long, we hardly know what the real thing is anymore. Most recent superhero movies have been a big yawn for me. It's all fake and the actors are not really in a scary situation. Nothing brings out good acting like actually driving at high speed through the desert with actual explosions and crashes all around you.

      On the other hand, bad practical-effects can also hurt a movie. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen has a lot of bad practical effects; the car chase and destruction of Venice scenes were mostly filmed in miniature, and other appearances of the automobile featured a full-scale custom car made for the movie. I like the movie, but I do not really care for these scenes as they look pretty silly, and I suspect that the silliness in these particular scenes make it hard to suspend disbelief.

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    9. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by Boronx · · Score: 1

      True, but great effects would not have made that movie great. There was some kind of disconnect between having Tom Sawyer and Dorian Grey as main characters, while seemingly aiming at low brow action.

    10. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by TWX · · Score: 2

      I guess it didn't paint a good picture...

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    11. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Except the movie was just bad. There was absolutely no story and the characters were so utterly dull I didn't care what happened to them. Then there was the frame speed ups which were done so badly I initially thought my playback system was borked. That opening scene when he tries to escape getting branded was so bad I almost stopped the movie right there.

    12. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure he was trolling.

      either trolling or stupid and can't tell cgi from real anymore.

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    13. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume the parent poster probably means the overall effect of being digitally treated or enhanced, as opposed to using CGI as a term for 'lots of 3d stuff'.

      To be fair, Fury Road didn't contain much in the way of 3d modelling, physics effects, or explosion simulation (ie. ridiculous levels of 3d cgi) in its amazing vehicle scenes, but it contains a huge amount of digital compositing, colour grading, wire/rig removal, and background creation and replacement. Yes, there are lots of plates shown where the vehicles are doing real things with real humans flying around, but to say it didn't have CGI is incorrect in the broader sense. Still, to the grandparent, whatever works is all good - I appreciate the craft in physical effects as much as the craft in cgi. If stuff is done well then great, I don't mind how it's done.

    14. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      I think it's one of the finest examples of visual storytelling in a long time. There are long sections that could pretty much be straight from a silent film. It reminds me of the original Star Wars, in how it immerses us in this richly developed world without feeling the need to explain every detail, which sets the imagination aflame.

      One of my favourite parts is when Furiosa simply turns the wheel and heads off road... and her entire crew follows without question. This tells you so much about her character without a single word. All of the "wives" have distinct personalities. Immortan Joe is a great villain because he has goals that make sense (he is a villain that doesn't see himself as a villain). His freaky sons, the War Boys culture and religion, the Many Mothers.. there are just so many interesting elements.

      Do yourself a favour though and watch The Road Warrior. Immediately. One of the greatest action flicks of the 80's. Fury Road is essentially an extended version of its 3rd act, cranked up to 11. And if you've ever seen Waterworld, it's basically a point-by-point (and vastly inferior) ripoff of Road Warrior, just with dry land replacing oil.

      The other two (Mad Max 1, and Beyond Thunderdome) are something of an acquired taste. The first has weird pacing issues (but features the same actor that played Immortan Joe as the primary villain!), and Beyond Thunderdome is just... all over the place. Still interesting though.

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    15. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      I'm beginning to think people are just starting to assume that everything out-of-the-ordinary is CGI by default.

      Which kinda goes to show how good CGI has gotten, actually. People are no longer able to properly distinguish between the two anymore.

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    16. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Mad Max and Road Warrior are weird to me. Obviously meant to be the same character but the world and environment has just a stark contrast that it's jarring and a bit tough to suspend disbelief that this is the same character. It's more dystopic in Mad Max but post-apocalyptic in Road Warrior.

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    17. Re: The only reboot/reprise/sequal by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      Well, if they aren't prepared to actually cut off Charlize's arm, then it isn't real enough for me! [end sarcasm]

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    18. Re:The only reboot/reprise/sequal by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      That's interesting... I never felt that kind of jarring disconnect.

      They're wildly different movies in terms of setting and tone, but Max's character trajectory makes perfect sense to me.

      The first movie shows Max with a family, and the final vestiges of civilization (which are already crumbling).

      In the 2nd movie, civilization has completely collapsed, and Max is on his own... he has nothing more to lose.

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  8. Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by walterbyrd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Aside from new movies, all the time, there are so many shows on television: Gotham, Super Girl, Flash, Arrow, Agent Carter, Agents of Shield, Daredevil. I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot.

    As a kid, I read comic books. At first, it was fun seeing the super heroes come to life. Now it's getting tiresome.

    Also, does every other movie have to be a re-boot of the origin story?

    1. Re:Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      You're not the only one. Pretty much every superhero movie now seems the same to me; I can't even keep track of which ones I've watched.

    2. Re:Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      My favorite as a kid was always Spider-man. The Amazing Spider-Man reboot was one of the better ones. At least in this reboot Peter Parker has web shooters and reformulates his web solution. The previous Spider-Man movies were okay, but the script writers painted themselves in a corner by having the web shooters being part of Peter's physiology.

      My favorite Superhero movie to date is still Dark Knight with Heath Ledger as the Joker. Every time I watch it I still can't help morn his death and think about what kind of genius he could have given us in a sequel.

      That being said, I am also tired of super-hero movies. The only TV series that I watch is Gotham. I have no plans on seeing Fantastic Four or Ant-Man until they come to HBO. Even then, I might end up avoiding them.

      I am wondering how Batman vs Superman (March 2016) will turn out.

    3. Re:Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by sconeu · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ant Man was surprisingly good.

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    4. Re:Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by russbutton · · Score: 1

      Clearly you didn't see Catwoman! Halle Berry in a skin-tight black leather suit with kitty ears, doing with her butt what should be done with a butt like that, and saying "Rowwerrr!"

      If you saw that, you'd remember it.

      Scarlett Johansson in a skin-tight black suit is an Honorable Mention next to Halle Berry.

      Whew...

    5. Re:Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ant Man was amazingly awesomely good, but I wasn't surprised. Marvel is doing great things with their lesser-known titles. I think they're tired of the Avengers.

    6. Re:Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Aside from new movies, all the time, there are so many shows on television: Gotham, Super Girl, Flash, Arrow, Agent Carter, Agents of Shield, Daredevil. I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot.

      As a kid, I read comic books. At first, it was fun seeing the super heroes come to life. Now it's getting tiresome.

      Also, does every other movie have to be a re-boot of the origin story?

      THIS! I just don't give a damn about the whole "People become mutants, and fight evil" theme any more. And remakes upon remakes just mkes it boring to me. Even the overdone CG is now boring, and has become a cliche, like the inevitible explosion when a car drives over a cliff shtick.. They're like visual Thorazine.

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    7. Re:Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to be the one to tell you this but Ant-man was one of the founding members of the Avengers. So you can look forward to seeing him in the next Avengers movie.

    8. Re:Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by soap_and_dish · · Score: 1

      Well I hate the origin story thing, I'm with you there. Origin stories are usually weaker than stories with establish characters, just because there are so many balls to juggle. Also because the writers seem to feel compelled to shoehorn in certain things, like the characters' goofy names. The naming scene is almost always a bad one.

      But burnout? No. Superhero movies / TV shows are very light, demanding almost no emotional investment. It's hard to get burned out on something which asks so little. Think of them as the light beer of cinema.

    9. Re:Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      I never cared much for the whole superhero genre, with the sole exception of Batman (and he's just a regular guy with some awesome toys). As a kid I read Marvel / DC comics but tired of them quickly; I found the Belgian / French style of comic books much more interesting. The superhero comics do make for better movies, but that's all relative: most of them still suck. And the reboots are worse.

      Is it me, or have 2014 and 2015 so far been really sucky years for blockbuster movies? In most years there'll be plenty of good popcorn fodder action movies to look forward to, but the last few years there's nothing that got me excited in anticipation, and few movies that I thought were really good after watching them. There have been good movies... just not in the blockbuster action category.

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    10. Re:Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favorite Superhero movie to date is still Dark Knight with Heath Ledger as the Joker. Every time I watch it I still can't help morn his death and think about what kind of genius he could have given us in a sequel.

      I do not understand how people consider the Joker to be so great. One bullet and he is gone. The police would have rough rided him to death the first time he was caught. After a few more killings, he would get the Death Penalty.

      Didn't think Heath Ledger was that great in the role, either. If he did not kill himself, there would have been no awards for him. Jack Nicholson had the laughter/creepy/scary factor perfectly.

    11. Re:Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just burnout, but absolute frustration. I have seen maybe three or four of them in the last ten years. There are SO many cool science fiction short stories and novelettes out there, waiting to be made into decent movies, and novels into decent miniseries, and what do we get, year after year. Comic books. Ecch.

    12. Re:Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went to see that second Captain America movie. I found it to be boring and action scenes unexciting.

      I think I like comic book movies, but not super hero movies. Super heroes fall into too narrow a range of tropes. I would argue Batman and the Rocketeer are hero movies (neither has super powers) and the movies work better.

    13. Re:Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      90% of the movies in the cinemas are superhero movies.. burnout? Hardly.

    14. Re:Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 1

      Kind of. If I don't have to do any homework to understand who people are in the movies, that's fine. But if I need to watch all of Agents of Shield, Agent Carter, and the Arrow to understand some particular plot in a movie, I'm going to quit coming out.

      After Thor 2, Ant Man is the only other Marvel movie I skipped paying for. I might catch it on TV but I just don't care.

    15. Re:Anybody else suffering from superhero burnout? by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      After Thor 2, Ant Man is the only other Marvel movie I skipped paying for

      You might want to reconsider Ant Man. It doesn't have the origin story of the original character, it shows the passing of the torch.

      It also doesn't require any knowledge of the Marvel Universe, cinematic or otherwise. The only thing you'll wonder is why there's a security guard with wings in one short scene, maybe why they throw out Stark's name and mention the Avengers at one point. But if you were completely ignorant of the Avengers, you'd miss absolutely nothing that would impair your enjoyment.

      Now, the fact that the physics of the superpowers in the movie are a bit erratic, you have to invoke your suspension of disbelief for that. But it's pretty much worth it.

  9. Token black guy? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    Okay, I'll admit I don't really know my Fantastic Four from my League of Superfriends, or whatever, but the main impression I was left with from the trailer was how they seem to have shoe-horned the black guy into the cast.

    I guess the world just isn't ready for a black Reed Richards (him being the leader, and all), and a black Thing would probably be racist, or something? And I guess having the other two (who are siblings) both be black was just stretching credulity too far. Nope, better make the sister adopted.

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    1. Re:Token black guy? by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and a black Thing would probably be racist, or something?

      He's already the token Jew.

    2. Re:Token black guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fucking racist nigger.

    3. Re: Token black guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go die in a fire, you nazi kike homophobic faggot.

    4. Re:Token black guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps he could be Ethiopian.

  10. Degraded Brand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mar should sue Sony for degrading their IP and tarnishing the Marvel brand.

  11. Yo Too many remakes sho 'nuff! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yo Hoolywood makes too many remakes o' da same movies ova an' ova. dey should creeate some original content. dey could even peep ta foreign markets fo' ideas sho 'nuff! Yo we's don' need uh Fantastic Four 10!

    1. Re: Yo Too many remakes sho 'nuff! by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      Literally: every other movie is a re-boot.

    2. Re: Yo Too many remakes sho 'nuff! by Jhon · · Score: 1

      I believe you literally don't know what 'literally' means.

  12. Remakes are seldom worth it by Bruce66423 · · Score: 2

    And mean that interesting new ideas don't get used instead. Many of the amazing SF novels of the past 20 years are crying out for filming, but Holywood is obsessed by SF = special effects and VIOLENCE. 'Red Shirts' as a movie anyone?

    1. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      'Red Shirts' as a movie anyone?

      They already shot it twenty years ago. It was called 'Galaxy Quest' back then.

      Still, maybe it is time for a reimaginabootmake.

    2. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by Dereck1701 · · Score: 1

      I was really looking forward to a Rendezvous with Rama movie, unfortunately that appears to have failed. I realize it would be a hard movie to make well, as there isn't an actual bad guy but is primarily about some foolish humans exploring a massive advanced alien spaceship, but it would be a welcome change of pace from the hurricane of remakes that seem to have inundated Hollywood over the past few years.

    3. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by ageoffri · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I hope you are trolling. Redshirts is the absolute worst novel I can recall reading in the last 20 years. It appeared to have been written by a 10 year old fanboy. It is also a prime example to show that the Social Justice Bullies have hijacked the Hugo's.

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    4. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      It's almost as if they make puppies sad with their actions.

    5. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I was really looking forward to a Rendezvous with Rama movie, unfortunately that appears to have failed. I realize it would be a hard movie to make well, as there isn't an actual bad guy but is primarily about some foolish humans exploring a massive advanced alien spaceship,

      Yeah, too bad that failed, we could have had a shitty movie and a shittier video game out of it

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    6. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Oh jeez, please don't tell me GQ came out 20 years ago... /me checks
      Nope, 1999. OK, that's not as bad. Still though, wow. That's over half my life ago.

      I'd totally watch another movie in that vein. Properly-done spoofs are rare and difficult. Sci-fi spoofs (that don't look like garbage) tend to have expensive sets and effects. This makes something like Galaxy Quest a real treat.

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    7. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Wait, whaaaat? That whole "so genre savvy you practically break the fourth wall" thing is definitely not going to be everybody's cup of tea, but I thought the novel told a good story and told it well. It was certainly no amateur effort; the amount of character development, background (like that whole "prologue" scene where the guy realizes right before he dies what the purpose of his death is), plot cohesiveness, in-character insights, and out-of-character commentary on the failures of all too many TV shows or movies... well, I thought it was *very* well done, The fact that it was also humorous helps a great deal, of course.

      As for the Hugos... I haven't really been following that whole "situation", but Redshirts didn't feel even slightly SJW-ish to me. I don't remember any discussion of race or orientation or any of that, and the majority of the cast (and the author) are male. I *think* it passes the Bechdel test but not by enough that it's terribly memorable (I read the book over a year ago, details are a bit hazy in my memory). The social commentary it makes is on storywriting cheap thrills instead of serious nuance more than it's on anything else (unless you want to consider "but what if your characters are REAL PEOPLE?!?" a social commentary), which is pretty much totally unrelated to social justice. I don't know anything about Scalzi's position in the social justice space - as I said, not following that - but he's a white dude, cisgender and heterosexual to the best of my knowledge... Not your typical darling of the SJWs.

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    8. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Iron Sky?

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    9. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Rama is the same sort of story as 2001. They make good books and made good cinema in the '60s when impressive visual effects were enough to wow an audience. Now that CGI is cheap, it's expected by the audience and you need a bit more story. With both, a film doesn't give you long enough to tell the story well and so you end up with something that either feels rushed or superficial. Rama would make a good TV series, because you'd have the time to focus on the character development. It would be a terrible film.

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    10. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I want to see The Incal goddamnit

    11. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Since the first (or maybe second) Jurassic Park movie we've had the CGI technology to something like The Mote In God's Eye or Ringworld.

      Probably ain't ever going to happen, the plots require too much thinking for the average movie audience. (And these are not particularly cerebral books.) (But man, can you imagine the ensemble cast of Ringworld done by somebody like Joss Whedon? Sigh.)

      And I shudder to think what they'd do with Footfall. Probably turn it into another Tom Cruise vehicle like War of the Worlds.

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    12. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      Iron Sky had some pretty hilarious parts and some pretty good parts, but those were unfortunately counterbalanced by some really really stupid parts. I think they could have easily made it a legit mainstream parody instead of trying for the "so bad it's good" category.

    13. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      No, it was a decent idea, it was just a weak novel; I didn't even get through the free preview ebook from Amazon. I've read better fan fiction free on the web.

      I'd hardly call it the worst novel of the last 20 years, but giving it a Hugo was a better joke than anything I read in the ebook.

    14. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      The entire fun of Rama was the exploration though. I think they could pull it off by making something that really showcased the science in the books by paying a lot of attention to how it would actually look (kind of like how gravity pulled off the weightless bits so well). A lot of exposition on the sciency bits could be narrated by the characters doing PR updates back to earth, kind of like Chris Hadfields videos of him playing with water in the ISS. e.g. "here's something neat for everyone watching back home. Observe the coriolis forces in action as I throw this suitcase full of supplies down the stairs". And then actually use the special effects to make it look like how a box of supplies thrown from zero G "down" a flight of stairs inside a giant rotating cylinder would actually look.

    15. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone that doesn't think Iron Sky is brilliant in it's own way end to end, doesn't really get what they were trying to accomplish.

      For example the hatch scene where the girl looses her cloths. In most movies it's a tiny hole that causes a big problem because "space" is different! In real life you can plug the hole with your finger while you find some common clear tape to make a temporary patch. Only by having a large hatch evacuating an even larger volume would you get any force from the wind. So they figured out a way to leave in the ridiculous because it's a comedy while being more true to physics than most other films.

      Personally I think it's going to be a cult classic and see several reemergence.

    16. Re:Remakes are seldom worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iron Sky had some pretty hilarious parts and some pretty good parts, but those were unfortunately counterbalanced by some really really stupid parts. I think they could have easily made it a legit mainstream parody instead of trying for the "so bad it's good" category.

      I gave up on it 30 minutes in, around the time they came down to Earth with the black guy they had bleached white. Also Sarah Palin jokes were old even by 2009.

  13. Redshirts the novel by Bruce66423 · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Redshirts the novel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The book is being developed into a TV limited series on FX."

  14. I'l wait for the 2015 BitTorrent release by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    and give the $10 I could have spent on another reboot to the homeless guy I buy breakfast for every few days.

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    1. Re:I'l wait for the 2015 BitTorrent release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and give the $10 I could have spent on another reboot to the homeless guy I buy breakfast for every few days.

      Yo Stealing movies iz wrong. If you wants ta watch it, pay da $10. If you wants da $10, then you don' git ta watch it. don' jack!

    2. Re:I'l wait for the 2015 BitTorrent release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even for a movie with obvious NEWP rating (Not Even Worth Pirating)? Mediadrug addiction sucks, doesn't it?

    3. Re:I'l wait for the 2015 BitTorrent release by antdude · · Score: 1

      So, a cammed release? :P

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  15. It's already happened before. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The people/studio with the rights to the Fantastic Four films, if I recall correctly, are legally obliged to bang out a Fantastic Four movie every few years in order to keep said rights. One of the earliest ones was filmed, the actors were out promoting it, only later to find that the studio had no intention of ever releasing it in the first place...probably just as well as the bits and pieces of it that have been shown online looked as dull as the current iterations.

    The major studios are swimming in superhero movie money at this point, yet the Fantastic Four seems like utter box-office poison...it's not by coincidence. They're just trying to hold onto a property until they know what to do with it, hedging their bets in the hopes that owning the rights to the characters will pay off for them later, somehow. In the meantime, expect an utterly shitty "reboot" every few years until they either give up or the superhero movie fad dies out...neither of which appears to be close to happening soon.

    1. Re:It's already happened before. by slew · · Score: 1

      For those that are actually curious about this "doomed" fantastic four film...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... (trailer)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... (actual movie)

    2. Re:It's already happened before. by AuMatar · · Score: 2

      Which is absolutely stupid- Marvel has shown that they know how to do superhero movies and that they are willing to play ball to get control back (look at the deal they made with Sony for Spiderman). They'd be happy to do the same for Fantastic Four. The problem is the same studio owns XMen, and doesn't want to lose that cash cow.

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    3. Re:It's already happened before. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for posting the link, I was trying to find some more material on the one that I referenced but obviously I wasn't quick enough. :) Really kind of sad because the actors that were out there promoting the thing seemed really enthusiastic about it, thought they were about to have careers launched, all of it so that a studio could fulfill a ridiculous contract obligation. I suppose everyone got paid in the end but still...if the options are "make a terrible movie that everyone hates" or "sell the rights to someone else," you kind of wish they'd take the high road and just sell the rights. It's Hollywood though, the only "high" road in Hollywood is the one leading to the coke dealer's place...

    4. Re:It's already happened before. by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      I've heard this theory, but the budget was something like $120M. If I just wanted to shart out a contractual obligation I'd do it on a smaller budget and hope to break even. $120M is pretty big even by big movie standards.

      It could just be they can't find their asses with both hands.

    5. Re:It's already happened before. by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Which is absolutely stupid- Marvel has shown that they know how to do superhero movies and that they are willing to play ball to get control back (look at the deal they made with Sony for Spiderman). They'd be happy to do the same for Fantastic Four. The problem is the same studio owns XMen, and doesn't want to lose that cash cow.

      So presumably sometime around 2020, we'll see Marvel Studio do Fantastic Four. Hugh Jackman is quitting as Wolverine. He'll be in the next X-Men movie, and in one more Wolverine movie, and then he's done. Which, given that he'll turn 50 before the last Wolverine movie comes out, is hard to hold against him. But it means the end of X-Men being a cash cow.

      Yes, Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen have done fantastic jobs, but neither Professor X nor Magneto are the main draws for X-Men. It's going to be extremely difficult to recast Wolverine, and I pity the actor who tries. Hugh Jackman has made the role his own.

    6. Re:It's already happened before. by AJWM · · Score: 1

      It'll probably never fly, but authors should start negotiating a reversion of rights clause into their film contracts that requires a money-making film every few years, not just a film every few years.

      I think the Hollywood accounts' heads would explode. (By traditional Hollywood accounting, no film ever makes money, so the suckers who settled for a percent of the net, rather than the gross, never see a penny. All the income flow is shuffled around in a giant shell game.)

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  16. Glad I got to see FF4 for free by russbutton · · Score: 1

    I got a couple of free tickets for a pre-screening of the new FF4 movie. I enjoy pretty much any of the comic book movies, but this one was pretty sad. The story line and the characters were cliche and contrived. Nothing about the characters of the story was believable, and the science was beyond bad. Ya gotta wonder who the moron was that wrote this story and the morons who approved it.

    Even Catwoman was better. How much better? It has Halle Berry in a skin-tight leather outfit with kitty ears going "Rowwerrr!" And she's a lady who has a butt and knows what to do with it. With character development like that, who needs to remember the story line? There was a story line there, wasn't there?

    Rowwerr!!!!

    Kate Mara is cute enough, but she definitely ain't no Halle Berry.

    1. Re:Glad I got to see FF4 for free by kbrannen · · Score: 1

      I thought Kate Mara was the only real redeeming part of this movie. Like you, I got to see it for free and I'm also glad I didn't have to pay for the tickets.

    2. Re:Glad I got to see FF4 for free by rbrander · · Score: 1

      About the only place I can mention my one affection for that movie. There's this scene where Berry has just made the spooky change to Catwoman and isn't clearly aware of it yet, and she's describing her "symptoms" to a friend on the phone while walking around the room...except the "walk" is very catlike leaps and pounces onto various pieces of furniture as she goes. They all look unconscious and none break the rhythm of her speech. It was a great physical performance, and, as you say, especially mesmerizing to men.

    3. Re:Glad I got to see FF4 for free by russbutton · · Score: 1

      Rowwerrr!

  17. 4.1 on IMDb => no thanks by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    4.1 on IMDb, so, no, I'm not going to watch this.

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  18. But it has no Jessica Alba by msobkow · · Score: 1

    What made the original watchable was the delectable Jessica Alba. It was the only movie she ever appeared nekkid in. (Although her being invisible at the time kind of took away from the moment. :P )

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  19. Seriously by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

    I don't care about any of these movies. All I know is that Deadpool is apparently the second coming of Jesus Christ.

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    1. Re: Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The second coming of Jesus will be Jesus.

  20. Mediocre by dcsmith · · Score: 2
    You don't often see as many superlatives modifying 'mediocre' as I've seen in reviews of this movie.

    "Powerfully mediocre" "Terrifically mediocre" "Decidedly mediocre" "Aggressively mediocre" "Stunningly mediocre".

    I went and saw it anyway.

    I deserve this ache in my wallet.

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  21. It always amaze me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same fuckers around here who also claim that they're never going to buy from company X, Y or Z because of some blah blah blah are the first morons to fork over their bucks to Hollywood time after unsatisfying time.
     
    If you morons had brain one in your heads you would have boycotted Hollywood shit films after the Superman film with Richard Pryor...
     
    I guess you faggots just can't stop sucking that Hollywood dick.

    1. Re:It always amaze me... by Z80a · · Score: 1

      Bad movies bombing on the box offices are a regular thing.
      But some people just don't learn and deflect blame, or have reasons to not care etc..
      For example, in the case of the FF movies in general, the intention of the studio is not to actually sell tickets but keep the rights to the fantastic four, so they just try to make it "believable" enough to not get caught on a lawsuit.

  22. You're feeding them by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    People complain all the time that all Hollywood puts out is the same crap year after year. There's so many comments on there about how terrible the reboots are and that there are so many superhero movies that they are getting tired of them. The movie industry is only putting out those movies because people keep going to those movies. When it takes $100M or more to make a movie are you going to do something that you are pretty sure that people are going to see or take a risk?

    If you want to see well written, well acted, and just plain great movies then we are going to have to stop going to see the crap we're being fed and only support the few gems do get out.

    1. Re:You're feeding them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't been out to see a movie in about 4-5 years. I've come close but at this point why pay like $30 (after you mortgage your way through the concession stand) when I can just wait 6mo to a year and just pick it up on dvd/blueray for ~$15-20.

    2. Re:You're feeding them by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      The only movie I've been to in the past few years to see in theaters was Chappie. I was pretty drunk before going there, but I noticed a MASSIVE plot hole that would nullify the whole conflict if one person did the extremely logical thing. It ruined the movie for me, and I haven't been back to the theaters in awhile.

    3. Re:You're feeding them by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      What, market the warmachine-bot to the military? Yeah, that was a pretty gaping hole in CHAPPiE's plot... but the movie wasn't *about* the warmachine-bot, or the psychopath that built it, or the conflict that his goals had with Chappie and his creator... it was about the AI who has days to live and is being raised by a socially helpless nerd and a gang of none-too-bright criminals. Everything else was a bald excuse for action scenes and people dying. If it helps, think of that stuff as just a simulation: "how will Chappie respond when the Moose comes to kill everybody he cares about, just as his battery runs critical?" and ignore the utterly implausible BS used to explain why it's happening.

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      There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
    4. Re:You're feeding them by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter when you give them the money. If you see it in the theater or buy the DVD for these bad movies then they will keep making more.

    5. Re:You're feeding them by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      The whole reason for the main conflict is a farse. Also, how can you make a robot that is afraid and has what appear to be emotions, but you couldn't upload a vocabulary to it so it could speak?

  23. I saw it for free by hodagacz · · Score: 1

    and paid too much.

  24. people are probably... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    simply tired of freaking reboots.

  25. Re:movieblob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why is a Youtube link to movieblob modded to +4, Insightful here? What the hell /.

  26. Re:movieblob by Pubstar · · Score: 1

    Prior to the whole shitstorm that happened and his videos favoring certain demographics of internet dwellers, he actually had some really good insight into movies, and I found that I generally agreed with him. Recently, its more political ramblings of someone who has zero self-awareness.

  27. Re:movieblob by bosef1 · · Score: 0

    OP here. I put this up because, in the past, I've found Moviebob's reviews to be fairly reasonable evaluations of comic book movies. Even if I disagreed with them, it seemed he could often at least explain his positions so I could understand them and make my own decisions. His YouTube videos have become more rant-y and curse-y, but I figured that was due mostly to lack of editorial oversight.

    I knew Moviebob had been let go from "The Escapist", but I don't know the whole story. I admit I wasn't following things too closely, as I just went for the movie reviews and such. If you can post some summaries explaining why Moviebob is now persona non grata, I'd be pleased to read them and educate myself.

  28. Re:movieblob by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

    I'll take Redlettermedia's Half in the Bag over moviebob any day.

  29. Anorexia chick.... by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    Anorexia chick, one gay white guy, one Africanized gay white guy and a CGI rock.

    I am glad that I can mock the friend who paid for us to see this excrement and I will do so for a very long time. ;)

    --
    I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
  30. FUCKING RACISTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You faggots just don't like it because it has a nigger playing the role of a character that was historically a member of the white patriarchy. I demand that president Obama, through executive action, mandate that everyone in the United States watch this movie. It is the only way we can end racism. This executive action does not apply if you are an undocumented alien, because the laws of the USA, even the illegal ones, do not apply to you.

  31. "mediocre x-men movies"? by unami · · Score: 1

    "Days of Future Past" was far better than most of the marvel-kids-movies (looking at you, cap2, thor2 & guardians of the galaxy) they released over the last years. which doesn't mean that f4 isn't a turd, which it probably is, judging by the trailer.

    1. Re:"mediocre x-men movies"? by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say that Guardians of the Galaxy was a kids movie. I think it was the least childish of the movies you mentioned, all of which I enjoyed to some degree -- admitting that Thor 2 was more marginal than the others.

      But I agree: the last two x-men movies have been excellent (an opinion which is shared with critics and the general public). They easily stand with the better of the latest Marvel movies, and above the average Marvel movie.

      The Wolverine movies and the 2000s movies were mediocre to bad. Except X-2 was decent.

    2. Re:"mediocre x-men movies"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      say WHAT??? Guardians of the Galaxy was easily the most childish of those movies, it would've been completely at home on a Saturday Morning Cartoon show

  32. FF4? by Tanuki64 · · Score: 1

    I thought the new one was FF3+N.

    1. Re:FF4? by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      I thought the new one was the FF7 remake.

  33. Boring by fish_sauce · · Score: 1

    Why can't they make new original content instead of regurgitating the same stories over and over?
    Remakes, reboots, Prequels, etc.

    It's like they are stuck in a loop.

    1. Re:Boring by lessthan · · Score: 1

      Same reason there are a 100 Call of Duty game sequels. Low risk. These projects involve millions of dollars. The people in charge could risk that money on a really promising story from a nobody. The risk could be worth it and everyone involved makes enough money to build their own Scrooge McDuck money vaults. The project could possibly fail and that failure would blow back not just on the decision makers, but on the entire company. We all know of gaming companies and movie studios who went bankrupt from just one really bad movie/game. A sequel, on the other hand, might not make mind-boggling amounts of money, but it will make a predictable amount of money. Low risk and everyone gets paid.

      --
      Space Shuttle was a program that strapped humans to an explosion and tried to stab through the sky with fire and math
  34. The primary goal of the film wasn't quality... by hajile · · Score: 1

    While success is desirable, all the companies that signed deals with Marvell are required to make a movie every few years to avoid the movie rights reverting back to Marvell.

    We saw this same thing happen with the Sony reboot of Spiderman. It was cheaper to make a couple of terrible films than to have the rights revert back to Disney where Sony would never get a chance at the intellectual property again.

  35. The Human Torch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This movie was doomed the minute they cast an African-American as Johnny Storm.

    Let's See:

    Nick Fury
    Perry White
    Iris West
    Jimmy Olsen
    Johnny Storm
    Wally West

    All of the above formerly as white as pure Canadian snow, are now negros.

    I've probably missed a few, but the Hollywood SJWs are bound and determined to to diversify the entire Silver Age of Comics.

    1. Re:The Human Torch by Talderas · · Score: 1

      I heard that in the comics Thor is now a woman.

      --
      "Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
  36. Re:movieblob by Pubstar · · Score: 2

    What I was hinting at was that he chose a side in GamerGate that I dont agree with. The lack of self-awareness is that the same stereotypes and insults he slings against other people fit him all too well. I knew that he was Anti-GG when the whole shitstorm started, but I didn't care, I still watched his videos because I liked his reviews. Then he did a review for Blackhat, where he brings up GamerGate (without actually bringing it up, we know what he is talking about) and just slams them for no reason.

    At that point, I lost all respect for him and his opinion.

  37. People are tired of LAME "reboots" by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    I prefer the original, to some reboot. Batman, never liked it...grew up on the original version. Beverly Hillbillies. Same (plus the movie version was lame). Oceans 11.....come on, really? NO ONE can replace the rat pack! The 10 commandments.....LOL, like anyone could replace Charles Heston Hollywood is LAZY. They go for cheapest hoping to get profit. Instead of investing in a good script, they try to rewrite an older script, and throw in a bunch of stupid CGI, and explosions. They use so much gasoline to produce explosions, I bet it causes the price of gas to go up! Then, you want us to pay the super expensive prices for the movie, when we can wait a few months, and get it on Netflix, Hulu, Redbox?

  38. It was a STUPID idea! by iq145 · · Score: 1

    For the older generation: They've already long known exactly who and what the Fantastic Four are supposed to be. For the younger generation: They only know what they've seen in movies, so it's already too late to make the Fantastic Four be so different from what they were since the 1960s... they were already a recent movie (2005)! The stupidest part is, they don't even revise the name any: Fantastic Four, Total Recall, Robocop, Godzilla. This new FF is so different, that they could've given the new movie ANY name regardless!

  39. Re:movieblob by bosef1 · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the info. I don't know enough, or was involved enough, with any part of GG to have any opinion either way, so I'm still figuring out what's what after the fact.

  40. Re:movieblob by Pubstar · · Score: 1

    The whole thing is a shitstorm, and while I say that I'm Pro-GG, it really doesnt have that much meaning. Its two completely different sites yelling at eachother, but having different conversations. One side is pushing for ethics in games journalism and fighting out the SJW clique that has taken over the games journalism, and the other side is screaming its a harassment campaign. If you visit any place that is Pro-GG, you will find out quickly that harassment is not tolerated. Pro-GG sites (outside of the mess that is 8chan's GGRevolt, which are a bunch of people that just start shit for no reason) tend to very quickly come down on people that are trying to harass others and flood reports, whether it be on Twitter, Reddit, or any other site.

    The problem is that both sides can be pretty petty and handle things like little kids. I tend to just dislike Anti-GG because they always tend to be a certain type of person (typically males with crushing white guilt and a hate of nerds/geeks/gamers)

  41. WTF Johnny is black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this makes no sense.

  42. Critics and audience.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... who saw the new Fantastic Four movie agree: "It's clobberin' time!"

  43. Villain Pool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't seen the new FF flick - mostly out of protest to reboots and to the other FF films that were terribly horrible.

    What I don't understand is how the writers keep pulling the same villains. There have been 6 Superman films (yes, I try not to think about the Return one) and there are, basically, only two villains: Lex Luthor and General Zod (and company):
    I: Lex Luthor directly
    II: Zod & Co. + Luthor
    III: Luthor employee (Luthor indirectly)
    IV: Luthor
    Return: Luthor reboot
    Steel: Zod & Co.

    Out of the entire Action comics universe, that's all you've got? Really?!?

  44. Malware? by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

    ...[T]he cinematic equivalent of malware...

    Malware? Don't they mean shovelware?

  45. The qustion is "why?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why did we even want or need another fantastic 4 movie? It's only been about 7-8 years since the last F4 movie and that was a pretty decent movie! So why re-make something that was decent into a steaming pile of crap?!?

    What is wrong with Hollywood?