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Massachusetts Embraces Philanthropy-Funded K-12 CS Education

theodp writes: The Boston Globe reports that after more than two years of lobbying, the Massachusetts Computing Attainment Network (MassCAN) — an advocacy group comprised of Boston-area execs from Google, Microsoft, and other large tech companies — will use $1.5 million of state money and another $1.5 million in matching MassCAN funds to train teachers in computer science instruction and to lobby more school districts to introduce the lessons. The move comes two months after the State of Washington embraced philanthropy-funded K-12 CS education after being cajoled to do so by Microsoft and tech-bankrolled Code.org. "Computing isn't introduced in certain schools at all, or it's introduced very late in the educational experience — and computer science is a very difficult thing to learn later in life," said Steve Vinter, director of Google's Cambridge office and the head of MassCAN. Vinter acknowledged that MassCAN's campaign is driven in part by self-interest: Google and other companies are worried about a lack of programmers and developers that are highly in demand in the booming MA tech industry.

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  1. false premise by Dareth · · Score: 1

    The article summary states, "computer science is a very difficult thing to learn later in life"

    That is a false premise. To learn anything you need the prerequisite skills. Computer Science can be taught to people with basic reading and math skills. Some experience typing is helpful but not necessary. I am working with my seven year old daughter on various tech skills. I found the Gcompris educational software to be a good place to start. Early parental involvement in learning is way more important than trying to make "code monkeys" out of people who are not interested. My daughter is mainly into the artistic aspects so far. It is a good learning experience for both of us.

    Simply put, an interested learner of any age can pick up Computer Science and programming faster than someone who is not really all that interested in tech.

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    1. Re:false premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it is false. Computer Science is a very difficult thing to learn, not just later in life. It is "hard" same way Math(s) is "hard." Simply put lot of people will not get it, will not use it even if forced to learn, will not see any use for it since their jobs will not require it (jobs that do require it will be beyond these people's reach).

      All this pissing away money will do is have people sitting in classroom ten years hence whining "Why am I learning hello world? I'm never gonna use it! I'm going to be a drone pilot when I grow up."

    2. Re:false premise by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1
      You can teach the basics like a do-while loop to anyone, but to produce anything of value is going to take hundreds and thousands of hours of practice.

      Young people have very limited options in life - go take a bath, go play in the yard, ride the bike, rake up leaves. Older people have many more opportunities for distraction - go on vacation, go out to eat, go to work and earn some OT, go buy some new toy, ad nauseum.

      Why use up good chunk of what's left your life learning a skill with limited value as compared to practicing a mastery of skills you have spent decades honing? /I spent a few years showing 80 year olds how to program...smart people from technical backgrounds.

    3. Re:false premise by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Older people have many more opportunities for distraction - go on vacation, go out to eat, go to work and earn some OT, go buy some new toy, ad nauseum.

      Missing option - learn an ancient language.

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    4. Re:false premise by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between teaching basic programming constructs and teaching people how to solve problems. The latter skill is universally applicable and something I think is sorely lacking in a lot of people. As society becomes more automated, anyone without problem solving skills or critical thinking ability has no value as they can be replaced by a robot. We can either invest in educating our populace now, or pay for it later when we have a portion of the workforce that's incapable of working.

    5. Re:false premise by flink · · Score: 1

      Computer Science can be taught to people with basic reading and math skills. Some experience typing is helpful but not necessary. I am working with my seven year old daughter on various tech skills.

      I would break it down into:

      1. Critical thinking/problem solving
      2. Basic math (e.g. algebra, some trig)
      3. Set theory/boolean algebra

      I think the biggest gap in our schools is with #1, largely because they're too busy teaching to some irrelevant standardized test rather than helping kids learn how to learn, which is probably the most valuable skill anyone can get out of a primary education.

    6. Re: false premise by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      You mean BASIC? Or 6502/68xx/68k assembler? Or proper English?

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    7. Re:false premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a difference between teaching basic programming constructs and teaching people how to solve problems. The latter skill is universally applicable and something I think is sorely lacking in a lot of people. As society becomes more automated, anyone without problem solving skills or critical thinking ability has no value as they can be replaced by a robot.

      No! People w/o critical thinking skills vote and thus are highly valued by jingoism-pandering politicians and the special interest groups who buy them.

    8. Re:false premise by bledri · · Score: 1

      Yes it is false. Computer Science is a very difficult thing to learn, not just later in life. It is "hard" same way Math(s) is "hard." Simply put lot of people will not get it, will not use it even if forced to learn, will not see any use for it since their jobs will not require it (jobs that do require it will be beyond these people's reach).

      All this pissing away money will do is have people sitting in classroom ten years hence whining "Why am I learning hello world? I'm never gonna use it! I'm going to be a drone pilot when I grow up."

      "Philanthropic" aspect is a counter to that argument, but even if it was a tax funded endeavor, the bigger sin is the waste of time. Time when students could be learning something useful to their lives and to help them be better educated humans.

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    9. Re: false premise by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Even if everyone were educated to become a programmer, doesn't mean they will have jobs. There simply aren't enough jobs to employ everyone. And just look at the churn in the industry, where what's hot rapidly becomes unimpressive. Coding as a career is dying it's up or out, and there are only so many management positions.

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    10. Re:false premise by Dareth · · Score: 1

      "Missing option - learn an ancient language."

      You mean Perl? ;)

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    11. Re:false premise by Dareth · · Score: 1

      #3 is sorely lacking in standard computer science curriculum. Working with sets of data in a logical manner is a very useful skill. Not everyone has to be a DBA, but some general idea of how data fits together helps.

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    12. Re:false premise by zkiwi34 · · Score: 1

      No, they clearly mean C# when they say ancient language.

  2. I didn't RTFA by rossdee · · Score: 1

    But whe it says "Massachusetts Embraces" it doesn't seem to refer to the Commonwealth of MA, just this lobby group.

  3. White House Welcomes Corporate-Influenced K-12 CS by theodp · · Score: 1

    WH visitor records indicate MassCAN Executive Director Jim Stanton was at the White House on the day Code.org 'taught President Obama to code' last December, and that he joined Google, Microsoft, and Code.org execs in a sit-down immediately afterwards with the head of the National Science Foundation. Stanton is also a Sr. Project Manager at Education Development Center (EDC leads MassCAN), which announced in March it had received a $6.5 million NSF grant to bring Berkeley’s Snap!-based The Beauty and Joy of Computing course to New York City high schools.

  4. No more H1B Visas? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    FTA: "tech executives argue that local public schools are failing to teach students valuable computer skills."

    Does this mean if *high schools* (because we aren't talking about universities) picked up the slack and started to churn out code monkeys, these tech companies would stop lobbying for more H1B Visas? Because if they don't stop lobbying it just means they are selling these kids a bill of goods since their jobs are going to be replaced by H1B Visas holders. So Google, you can piss off.

    1. Re:No more H1B Visas? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      No, they are just looking for better people to train the H1Bs.

  5. Sure ... tell me another one ... by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    And in a year or so, these "philanthropists" will cry poor, and insist government does this.

    This is special interest groups controlling education for their own corporate interests.

    They don't give a damn about children. They care about a workforce of people who will be made to work cheaply as they've been educated to meet corporate requirements.

    Having corporations dictating the direction of education is scary.

    Welcome to the dystopian oligarchy, you'll do what we tell you to, and we have government on the payroll to ensure you do.

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    1. Re:Sure ... tell me another one ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having corporations dictating the direction of education is scary.

      Yeah if only the Rockefellers hadn't funded and directed the compulsory schooling system in the United States, then you might have a single fucking point.

  6. Corporations should not set the agenda of educatio by bledri · · Score: 1

    This whole CS as a core subject really bother's me. Basically it's being motivated by corporations to serve their needs without any regard for what is best for the student nor society at large. In 2012, 1.8% of the population of the US is working in the "information sector" and the idea that we our going to tailor our education to serve that industry is appalling. All the hand wavy arguments that teaching CS will have broad benefits is absurd in that it ignores the fact that time is being taken for CS that could be used to teach actual fundamental subjects. If you want better citizens then make recognition of one's own cognitive biases and combating them a core subject. Include some logic and epistemology. FFS.

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  7. Technology classes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is how I'd do it. I'm not a teacher.

    6th grade...
    For one quarter, trimester, or A/B day semester.
    Keyboarding (a week spent on proper typing for those who want to know how)
    Operating Systems (Windows, Linux, Mac, etc.; how to install, etc.)
    Office software (various)
    Hardware (taking apart, learning the parts, upgrading RAM, etc.
    Internet (IPv4, IPv6, how networking works, etc.)
    Programming/Scripting (a week learning something, even if it's QBASIC)
    Safety (Antivirus, Phishing, etc.)
    I'd also have maybe a week-long section at term's end dedicated to student choice.
    History of computers and the Internet. Not too in-depth.

    In high school, try to expand the offering of classes, but do not necessarily try to shove programming in their faces.
    Under no circumstance should a programming class be considered a foreign language credit. Foreign language is more than just learning a new language. It's also about the culture.

    While computers may be useful in elementary school, they should be seen as a tool, not a replacement, for learning.
    I don't know if we need a dedicated class for learning about computers. Maybe taking a few days every now and then and dealing with things, especially if reports are to be typed. Just like spending a class in the library learning about how to find things, but not a whole class/course for it.

  8. Ahhh, philanthropy now by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Later? Another turn of the screw. Just don't become chronically dependent on this shit. We already know how quickly they will shut down a project that doesn't produce the desired results fast enough. This is social engineering to install a trojan at its finest. Let's see what our Nigerian Princes want in return.

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  9. Complete BS by fredrated · · Score: 2

    Teach kids logic and critical thinking and c.s. will be easy to learn, however old you are.
    Teach just c.s. and their education will be obsolete before you know it.

    1. Re:Complete BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen. Basic logic should be taught in primary school and applied to REAL WORLD situations. I know engineers that can't seem to do that.

  10. taxes by kwoff · · Score: 2

    In turn, the companies need remedial civics lessons. If those philanthropic companies wouldn't avoid paying taxes in the US...

  11. Translation: no one older than 30 need apply by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> Google and other companies are worried about a lack of programmers and developers that are highly in demand in the booming MA tech industry.
    >> computer science is a very difficult thing to learn later in life

    Translation: no one older than 30 need apply

  12. meh, floorgle. by morebetterthanyou · · Score: 0

    I am not opposed to more computer education, but I think it would be best handled in a more community centered learning experience for students who want the knowledge than it would be something thrown into curriculum. Computers were democratized when you didn't need to be a nerd to use one. Knowing how computers operate and being able to write commands in the language of the little men doing the operations isn't necessary for the majority of people. Some knowledge can help, but those who want computer education will seek it out. Focus on the math and logic part of it in school. Make it possible for students to understand computers. After the get the basics, the internet can teach them rest. It is how sex education works, so it is bound to work for techmologies.

  13. Re:Corporations should not set the agenda of educa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bother is? Bother was? Something belongs to a bother?

    Seriously dude, bother's???

  14. My qurter, my record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having corporations dictating the direction of education is scary.

    Businesses VOLUNTARILY spend some of the wealth THEY created on good works and all you statist running-dog's do is complain.

    When I put my quarter in the jukebox, I choose the song. It's just the same thing.

    I guess you'd just rather increase taxes and hope 5% trickles through the bureaucracy to the front line. That's good numbers for anything run by government.
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    1. Re:My qurter, my record by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Businesses VOLUNTARILY spend some of the wealth THEY created on good works

      all you statist running-dog's do is complain

      We complain when every drooling idiot keeps claiming that giving corporations and the wealthy tax cuts is beneficial to society when the evidence is to the contrary.

      We complain when government policy is bought and paid for by corporations, and government exists to advance the interests of corporations at. our expense.

      Or economic policy is made by the idiots of the Austrian School of Economics who refuse to actually use empirical evidence to prove their flawed ideology actually works, especially in the face of evidence it doesn't.

      roman_mir

      LOL ... I'm either un-surprised at this, or someone has done a remarkable job of trolling Roman Mir, who usually makes the same claims anyway.

      You can keep believing your ideology based view of economics. Me, I think it's demonstratably wrong, corrupt, and absolutely NONE of the underlying premises are true.

      There is no free market, and there is no scenario in which corporate greed should be allowed to gut an economy so that rich assholes can claim their share from the stock market without doing a damned thing to earn it.

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    2. Re:My qurter, my record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We complain when government policy is bought and paid for by corporations, and government exists to advance the interests of corporations at. our expense.

      You can keep believing your ideology based view of economics. Me, I think it's demonstrably wrong, corrupt, and absolutely NONE of the underlying premises are true.

      Let me get this straight, government is bought and paid for by corporations, so your solution is more government, great job.

      None of the premises are true? Ironic as fuck coming from a statist. The most basic premise of government is a logically incoherent mess. "Don't worry guys, human beings are immoral rapists who will slit their own mother's throat without the government, so we can just take people from this pool of rape-killers and put them in charge and that problem goes away."

  15. Cheap labor by rfengr · · Score: 1

    I'll steer my kids far away from CS as it will be a poor way to make a living; awash in cheap labor.

  16. Re:White House Welcomes Corporate-Influenced K-12 by andy1307 · · Score: 1

    Ok. We get it. It's all a google/MS/FB conspiracy to steal your jobs.

  17. So MASS Likes MONEY FOR NOTHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BUT now expects its CHICKS FOR FREE! What next? MTV? Ha-ha Gordon Sumner!

  18. Microsoft computer science education .. by nickweller · · Score: 1

    How much of this state money will be spent on Windows licenses?

  19. Want Microsoft Making the Tax/Education Rules? by theodp · · Score: 1
  20. Re:Corporations should not set the agenda of educa by bledri · · Score: 1

    Bother is? Bother was? Something belongs to a bother?

    Seriously dude, bother's???

    Yes, I made a typo on a forum that does not allow editing and you, oh great and noble AC, have shown the light of your vast intellect upon it. No idea why I accidentally typed that apostrophe. But thank you for focussing your attention on that rather than the actual content of the comment I made.

    I shall henceforth start all of my posts with a trigger warning that I may occasionally make a mistake when composing a message and that people afflicted with various forms of grammatical, syntactical or orthographical OCD should have their psychological support system readily available before reading the message.

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